#1 FA Acquisition

[Hiero]

I think it would be Mike Vanderjagt. I think he will be gone after this year he is a FA and the Colts have to resign Edge, and Wayne, they cannot afford to pay Mike, and we can. That would fill a huge hole with a pro bowler, and if we had him this year we would have at least 3 more wins and maybe a first round bye.
We can use the draft to fill other needs like OT FS Qb maybe etc.

[The30YardSlant]

Vinatieri

[Mansta54]

Good post, I agree...

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think it would be Mike Vanderjagt. I think he will be gone after this year he is a FA and the Colts have to resign Edge, and Wayne, they cannot afford to pay Mike, and we can. That would fill a huge hole with a pro bowler, and if we had him this year we would have at least 3 more wins and maybe a first round bye.
We can use the draft to fill other needs like OT FS Qb maybe etc.


IF Adam V is available I rank him ahead of Vanderbra...I think, although I may be wrong, that Adams Kickoffs are better and that is a big plus considering he was doing it in an outdoor cold weather area while vaderbra was doing it in a dome for home games.

Plus I doubt anyone could debate that Adam is Clutch when the games are on the line..

However I guess it is all moot if the Pats franchise him or sign him to a new contract.

[Hiero]

Vinatieri
I think they are going to resign him.

[AbeBeta]

yeah. two of the best teams in the league are going to let their very good kickers go. yep, I see that happening.

can we have some realistic FA ideas yet or are we still at the fantasy stage?

[BrAinPaiNt]

yeah. two of the best teams in the league are going to let their very good kickers go. yep, I see that happening.

can we have some realistic FA ideas yet or are we still at the fantasy stage?

Vanderbra will not be a colt next season.....Now Adam may be a Patriot...but the colts will not keep Vanderbra.

[AbeBeta]

Vanderbra will not be a colt next season.....Now Adam may be a Patriot...but the colts will not keep Vanderbra.

but would we want him?

yes he's a good kicker. but he's also a guy who has been a problem in the locker room. I can't see BP wanting that out of his kicker.

[AbeBeta]

Vanderbra will not be a colt next season.....Now Adam may be a Patriot...but the colts will not keep Vanderbra.


oh yeah. he's also going to be 36 when the season starts. about the age when guys start to lose range.

[jacs]

If Parcells is still here next season i doubt that he goes after Vanderjact (whatever his name is) because he isnt good in kickoff and Parcells dosent like that but we do get him but not over pay him.

[Hiero]

Didnt realize he will be 36 next year but look at his numbers for 2005:

1-1 from 1-19 yards
9-9 20-29 yards
6-7 30-39 yards
6-7 40-49 yards
0-0 from 50+ yards
that's still almost perfect, I am pretty sure he will be gone after the season and I would love to get him. I think for the Pats no way do they let Vinateiri go.

[Trip]

I would love either of those two kickers.

At least 34 yarders wouldn't be a problem!

[Hiero]

I would love either of those two kickers.

At least 34 yarders wouldn't be a problem!
nothing would be a problem for vanderjagt except maybe 50+ yarders.

[TwoDeep3]

Sorry boys...

LeBentley Charles, C, New Orleans Saints

They drop the ball and don't sign guy, this should be the first dollars we use in free agency.

And while this will start a fire storm, my second acquisition would be Terrell Owens.

If you take the off-field antics away and look at this player from purely a between the lines aspect, you will see a productive guy who would take the double team from Terry Glenn.

His stock is down and he needs to recapture the reputation as a big time play maker before he is too old to cash in on a huge contract.

One more slip up and he will be the highest paid player in the Canadian Football League.

Incentive laden that pays him the league minimum, but can balloon to the highest pauid WR in the league.

This is just my opinion. I don't give a rat's rump what he did on the Star.

Every time a player spikes the ball in Texas Stadium, they are doing the very same thing.

[Qwickdraw]

I think Ryan Longwell of GB is a very realistic option.

He's money all though he had an off year this year along with the rest of the Pack.

Probably the cheapest of the 3 as well.

[WilmingtonHeel]

I agrre Bentley first, Abraham 2nd

[Bizwah]

Sorry boys...

LeBentley Charles, C, New Orleans Saints

They drop the ball and don't sign guy, this should be the first dollars we use in free agency.

And while this will start a fire storm, my second acquisition would be Terrell Owens.

If you take the off-field antics away and look at this player from purely a between the lines aspect, you will see a productive guy who would take the double team from Terry Glenn.

His stock is down and he needs to recapture the reputation as a big time play maker before he is too old to cash in on a huge contract.

One more slip up and he will be the highest paid player in the Canadian Football League.

Incentive laden that pays him the league minimum, but can balloon to the highest pauid WR in the league.

This is just my opinion. I don't give a rat's rump what he did on the Star.

Every time a player spikes the ball in Texas Stadium, they are doing the very same thing.

Totally agree here......Bentley would be the best center since Donaldson (or, Stepnoski in his prime). He'll ask for big bucks, but I think it would be worth it.

I'd also take a long look at Hutchinson or Fabini. Both would greatly upgrade the OL.

[AbeBeta]

Do any of you actually watch Bentley play? He just isn't all that.

and Hutchinson. Come on. He's the best guard in the league. This guy is the kind of talent that comes into the league once every 10 years or so. He's the Larry Allen of his generation. He isn't getting away from Seattle.

now Fabini -- there's a guy who we might look at for the right price. but I'm more inclined to think we go with a younger C-G guy (e.g., Hartwig) and look at tackles in the 2nd round of the draft.

[AbeBeta]

my second acquisition would be Terrell Owens.

Incentive laden that pays him the league minimum, but can balloon to the highest pauid WR in the league.



Guess what. Nobody is going to take an incentive-laden deal for the minimum. That just isn't ever going to fly in the NFL. Guys get hurt all the time -- if they don't have the salary or SB money to protect them they are screwed.

That's fantasy talk. pure and simple.

[Hiero]

Sorry boys...

LeBentley Charles, C, New Orleans Saints

They drop the ball and don't sign guy, this should be the first dollars we use in free agency.

And while this will start a fire storm, my second acquisition would be Terrell Owens.

If you take the off-field antics away and look at this player from purely a between the lines aspect, you will see a productive guy who would take the double team from Terry Glenn.

His stock is down and he needs to recapture the reputation as a big time play maker before he is too old to cash in on a huge contract.

One more slip up and he will be the highest paid player in the Canadian Football League.

Incentive laden that pays him the league minimum, but can balloon to the highest pauid WR in the league.

This is just my opinion. I don't give a rat's rump what he did on the Star.

Every time a player spikes the ball in Texas Stadium, they are doing the very same thing.
I think he would bea good pickup, but I see the saints maybe franchising him, or maybe the NFL will help them out someway to keep their FA's because they ahve said that they might.

[Bizwah]

Do any of you actually watch Bentley play? He just isn't all that.

As a matter of fact, I have. Sunday Ticket's great!

He's a fine C, and a major upgrade.

and Hutchinson. Come on. He's the best guard in the league. This guy is the kind of talent that comes into the league once every 10 years or so. He's the Larry Allen of his generation. He isn't getting away from Seattle.

Seattle has to try to resign Alexander, don't they? You're probably right, though. Not only that, I see us standing pat at G. I think we'll give Rivera another shot.

Nothing wrong with dreaming.....

now Fabini -- there's a guy who we might look at for the right price. but I'm more inclined to think we go with a younger C-G guy (e.g., Hartwig) and look at tackles in the 2nd round of the draft.

I don't mind looking at OTs in the draft. This will be a good year for them.

[Trip]

If we want an OT in the draft we might be able to get Jonathan Scott or Eric Winston, one of them could fall to us. D'Brickashaw will obviously be long gone. The USC kid seems to be going pretty high on a lot of mocks, too. Might be a good year to get an OT.

It will be interesting to see if we take an OT in the first round, or wait and get an OG in the second round. I think we spend one of our top two picks on an offensive lineman.

[Bizwah]

If we want an OT in the draft we might be able to get Jonathan Scott or Eric Winston, one of them could fall to us. D'Brickashaw will obviously be long gone. The USC kid seems to be going pretty high on a lot of mocks, too. Might be a good year to get an OT.

It will be interesting to see if we take an OT in the first round, or wait and get an OG in the second round. I think we spend one of our top two picks on an offensive lineman.

There's talk that even Marcus McNeil will drop to round 2.

I also like Joe Thomas of Wisconsin. He's 6-8 300 pounds, pretty athletic. He's supposed to declare....but we won't know until Jan.

[Trip]

This might be the year to grab an OT. We have other needs to be sure, but if we don't plan on picking real high again for a few years, there are so many good ones this year.....

[Yeagermeister]

I say we avoid all USC OT's :D

[CrazyCowboy]

Vinatieri

Either is a major upgrade!

[Hailmary]

if vinateri and vanderjagt are both resigned or decide to go somewhere else, I wouldn't mind using a second day pick on this Connor Hughes kid from Virginia.

I was watching the game today and he seemed to have been pretty clutch throughout his collegiate career.

on the flipside, anyone see the kicker for Northwestern? Wow. Just wow...

[Clove]

1.Vinetieri
2.LeCharles Bentley
3.Az Hakim
4.John Abraham

[Clove]

if vinateri and vanderjagt are both resigned or decide to go somewhere else, I wouldn't mind using a second day pick on this Connor Hughes kid from Virginia.

I was watching the game today and he seemed to have been pretty clutch throughout his collegiate career.

on the flipside, anyone see the kicker for Northwestern? Wow. Just wow... Or I would even think of going for this kid Mason Crosby, you can pick him up in the 5th round. The kid makes 50 yarders like they're 20 yarders.

[junk]

1.Vinetieri
2.LeCharles Bentley
3.Az Hakim
4.John Abraham

Dallas could have signed Az Hakim this year and passed. I doubt they sign him next year.

[demdcowboys#1]

Vanderjacgt........

or any extremely talented UFA kicker

[Clove]

Dallas could have signed Az Hakim this year and passed. I doubt they sign him next year.Probably won't, but with his speed and Glenn's speed, it would totally create problems for defenders. (plus he won't cost much)

Hey, we've been able to win with the receivers we have. We can draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th, and pick up Hakim for speed and to take some pressure off of Glenn, and let the rookies sit and watch for a year and it will allow us the financial flexibility to get a kicker and a center/free safety.

[AbeBeta]

Probably won't, but with his speed and Glenn's speed, it would totally create problems for defenders. (plus he won't cost much)

Hey, we've been able to win with the receivers we have. We can draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th, and pick up Hakim for speed and to take some pressure off of Glenn, and let the rookies sit and watch for a year and it will allow us the financial flexibility to get a kicker and a center/free safety.

You know, I'm a Muslim like Hakim, I think stay out of ignorant land.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You know, I'm a Muslim like Hakim, I think stay out of ignorant land.

I dont know whgether to laugh or cry.

[AbeBeta]

I dont know whgether to laugh or cry.

just to be clear -- that was a slam on Texas, not Muslims.

[LaTunaNostra]

You know, I'm a Muslim like Hakim, I think stay out of ignorant land.
My husband is a Muslim and was in Dallas for ten days before Christmas last year. He doesn't wear any clothing that would signify him as such, but he was accompanied by my mom-in-law who wears the hijab, and was dying to shop at the REAL Neiman Marcus.

I had some trepidations about their trip, based on that terribly ignorant greeting that family in Muslim dress received at Texas Stadium a year ago when they won some sort of prize. But the mob sentiment (fueled by booze)that usually generates such herd like responses wasn't anything like the warm welcome my hubby and his mom received wherever they went.

I don't think a player with a Muslim name would have to fear any undue hostility from Cowboys fans. I think we can safely explain that unseemly display in Texas Stadium away as an anamoly.

[REDVOLUTION]

yeah. two of the best teams in the league are going to let their very good kickers go. yep, I see that happening.

can we have some realistic FA ideas yet or are we still at the fantasy stage?

I agree. I dont see either kicker leaving.

[Maikeru-sama]

I dont know about anything.

I am just interested in upgrading every position that held this team hostage in 2005.

I have never seen Lecharles Bentley play, how old is he and is he considered among the best at his position? I am not interested in guys that have seen their better days.

Our biggest needs is a Offensive Tackle and a Kicker, I dont care how and where you get em, it must be taken care of.

[big dog cowboy]

All I know is that if either kicker was a Cowboy this year we would have already qualified for the playoffs.

[davidyee]

I think Ryan Longwell of GB is a very realistic option.

He's money all though he had an off year this year along with the rest of the Pack.

Probably the cheapest of the 3 as well.

...ding,ding,ding...we have a winner.

Go for a kicker who has proven himself in adverse conditions - cold weather on natural turf - and offer him a chance to further his career in a dome stadium.

[davidyee]

Or I would even think of going for this kid Mason Crosby, you can pick him up in the 5th round. The kid makes 50 yarders like they're 20 yarders.

...50yarders everyone is worried about, but rather the 30 yarders. Big leg is useless if it's inconsistent.

I don't know anything about Mason, but we need consistency to capitalize on the close games our defence delivers.

[jbsg02]

I say we avoid all USC OT's :D

Yeah, Rogers was a bust, but Justice has played RT his whole college career and could fill in immediately

[AbeBeta]

My husband is a Muslim and was in Dallas for ten days before Christmas last year. He doesn't wear any clothing that would signify him as such, but he was accompanied by my mom-in-law who wears the hijab, and was dying to shop at the REAL Neiman Marcus.

I had some trepidations about their trip, based on that terribly ignorant greeting that family in Muslim dress received at Texas Stadium a year ago when they won some sort of prize. But the mob sentiment (fueled by booze)that usually generates such herd like responses wasn't anything like the warm welcome my hubby and his mom received wherever they went.

I don't think a player with a Muslim name would have to fear any undue hostility from Cowboys fans. I think we can safely explain that unseemly display in Texas Stadium away as an anamoly.

That's good to hear. I hate to see an entire religion denigrated because a handful of folks who happen to share that background do crazy things. But that Texas stadium incident really sticks in my mind. It is embarassing.

[TwoDeep3]

Guess what. Nobody is going to take an incentive-laden deal for the minimum. That just isn't ever going to fly in the NFL. Guys get hurt all the time -- if they don't have the salary or SB money to protect them they are screwed.

That's fantasy talk. pure and simple.

I guess when the poll of all the GM's in the league suggested they wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot pole, that doesn't suggest his stock has dropped further than Rosanne's boobs.

Sorry, he just ain't all that because of what he did to the Eagles.

He needs to do some fence mending.

[fiveandcounting]

Vanderbra will not be a colt next season.....Now Adam may be a Patriot...but the colts will not keep Vanderbra.

why do you keep calling him Vanderbra?

[TheSkaven]

Absolutely agree, this team needs a reliable, veteran kicker and I really don't care whether it's Vinatieri or Vanderjagt (though I suspect Bill's preference will be for the former). Pay him whatever it takes.

We can discuss ad naseum who Dallas needs to draft, how many players they are away, etc, but no one can argue that the 2005 Dallas Cowboys were a Vanderjagt away from 13-3.

[Clove]

...50yarders everyone is worried about, but rather the 30 yarders. Big leg is useless if it's inconsistent.

I don't know anything about Mason, but we need consistency to capitalize on the close games our defence delivers.If I read right, and at the moment I'm too lazy to check, I think he's perfect within 40 yards.

[bigdrulez3141]

I dont know about you guys but i would really like to have a nasty strong side 3-4 OLB think of the blitzes and exotic packages we could run with a damarcus ware and a lavar arrington at opposite 3-4 OLBS's.....MAJOR PRESSURE ON QB's!!!

[Clove]

I dont know about you guys but i would really like to have a nasty strong side 3-4 OLB think of the blitzes and exotic packages we could run with a damarcus ware and a lavar arrington at opposite 3-4 OLBS's.....MAJOR PRESSURE ON QB's!!!I like it alot. Teams wouldn't know where we were coming from. They could put them both on the same side at times in the game. oMgosh

[Hiero]

1.Vinetieri
2.LeCharles Bentley
3.Az Hakim
4.John Abraham
az hakim? Terry Glenn is way better and az hakim is an overpaid has been, Glenn can still be productive, and if we are going to get any wr it will be TO or a rookie. Abraham is going to be too expensive.

[Hiero]

I dont know about you guys but i would really like to have a nasty strong side 3-4 OLB think of the blitzes and exotic packages we could run with a damarcus ware and a lavar arrington at opposite 3-4 OLBS's.....MAJOR PRESSURE ON QB's!!!
honestly I would prefer arrington to abraham. he is a bit younger and very athletic. he still has many years to come

[Hiero]

yeah. two of the best teams in the league are going to let their very good kickers go. yep, I see that happening.

can we have some realistic FA ideas yet or are we still at the fantasy stage?
do you know how many fa's the colts will have after this year? Robert mathis, reggie wayne, edgerrin james, etc. they will probably not have enough money to pay him. Vinateiri I agree is not going to happen though.

[Clove]

az hakim? Terry Glenn is way better and az hakim is an overpaid has been, Glenn can still be productive, and if we are going to get any wr it will be TO or a rookie. Abraham is going to be too expensive.I didn't say anything about getting rid of Glenn, Hakim is the third receiver or 4th. Someone who can line up next to Glenn and cause Havoc, they have to double one of the other going deep.