check it out, rivers is playing...

[iceberg]

who said good coaches don't put in backups "just because" just earlier today???

it's a great opportunity and i'm glad he's getting it. if we're in the same position i hope romo and/or hensen gets some time in also.

looks like it does happen after all, huh?

[Displaced Cowboy]

or rivers is in because drew brees suffered a shoulder injury and is done for the day.

[Ashwynn]

Dont know - but when I saw #17, I was like is that Rivers? It is. Hes so-so - nothing special so far. Seems like he knows where the center is and what a receiver is.

[iceberg]

wow - van pelt in also.

hmmmm...how odd is that?

[iceberg]

Dont know - but when I saw #17, I was like is that Rivers? It is. Hes so-so - nothing special so far. Seems like he knows where the center is and what a receiver is.

it's raining like crazy there - it's insane!

[Displaced Cowboy]

since the broncos aren't playing for anything, it isn't too shocking they took plummer out.

[iceberg]

exactly.

[Tricked]

the broncos just watched drew brees go down to a shoulder injury... they actually have a chance in the playoffs... why risk your starting QB?

[burmafrd]

You play your key guys for a quarter or so to keep them sharp- then put in the backups and give them some playing time. THAT is what coaches should do. If I was SD coach I would have put in RIvers for the whole game to see what he could do. The only reason I wouldn't is if I already knew he stank and did not want to lose a chance to trade him.

[iceberg]

the broncos just watched drew brees go down to a shoulder injury... they actually have a chance in the playoffs... why risk your starting QB?

didn't parcells leave in drew when the skins were having a field day???

[Tricked]

didn't parcells leave in drew when the skins were having a field day???
didn't drew refuse to come out, saying he wanted to fight til the bitter end?

[CactusCowboy]

Rivers looks very good for his first outing.

[RCowboyFan]

Dont know - but when I saw #17, I was like is that Rivers? It is. Hes so-so - nothing special so far. Seems like he knows where the center is and what a receiver is.

Barely can feel the pressure though. His arm seems weaker than what I remember seeing him in college though, maybe its because its a wet ball and he can't grip it well to throw harder.

[iceberg]

didn't drew refuse to come out, saying he wanted to fight til the bitter end?

and wouldn't that further the PPP theory about in the wild???

[burmafrd]

12-22, 115 yds, 1 INT, 0 TD. Of course the Broncs were resting their starters and in the prevent some- don't know how much this means.

[RCowboyFan]

Rivers looks very good for his first outing.

Wow, he looked good? Well I guess my standards of what good means must be lot different than yours. :confused:

Fumble in your own end zone, look lost or not feel pressure that much, fumble another ball, and throw into triple coverage to get Intercepted, I guess is Ok.

Well, something like that, meant Henson is bum ( not saying you said that, but quite a few fans think so). And Henson had much better first outing than Rivers had technically. Although Rivers did play few snaps last year too, in blowout games I believe.

Anyway, not sure if anyone would be willing to first round for Rivers that easily, especially considering they have to take on his salary too, unless he reworks that. Not a good time for SD to have Rivers play, in rain etc. They had no choice of course.

[Tricked]

and wouldn't that further the PPP theory about in the wild???
lol, a player wanting to finish what he started? no matter the outcome, good or bad? not at all

[parchy]

Wow, he looked good? Well I guess my standards of what good means must be lot different than yours. :confused:

Fumble in your own end zone, look lost or not feel pressure that much, fumble another ball, and throw into triple coverage to get Intercepted, I guess is Ok.

Well, something like that, meant Henson is bum ( not saying you said that, but quite a few fans think so). And Henson had much better first outing than Rivers had technically. Although Rivers did play few snaps last year too, in blowout games I believe.

Anyway, not sure if anyone would be willing to first round for Rivers that easily, especially considering they have to take on his salary too, unless he reworks that. Not a good time for SD to have Rivers play, in rain etc. They had no choice of course.

You're kidding, right? If you don't change your expectations for people who HAVE NEVER PLAYED IN THE NFL BEFORE, you're nuts. Rivers excited me with what he was able to do today considering the position he was put in (didn't get many reps in practice/much attention because nobody thought he was going to play). He has an incredibly strong throw and the ball is a perfect/tight spiral everytime. His stats are in-line with every rookie in history... excuse me for asking, but what exactly were you expecting?

He was pretty accurate with the balls that he stepped into to deliver, and for a functional rookie, he did damn well.

[iceberg]

lol, a player wanting to finish what he started? no matter the outcome, good or bad? not at all

hensen didn't wanna come out in chicago, did he?

[burmafrd]

Just because he has a strong arm means NOTHING. That many mistakes in a QB that has been sitting and watching for 2 full years is not a good outing. That is what you would expect from a rookie in the first game or so of the season.

[iceberg]

Just because he has a strong arm means NOTHING. That many mistakes in a QB that has been sitting and watching for 2 full years is not a good outing. That is what you would expect from a rookie in the first game or so of the season.

i've come to think no first outing is "really" good - but it's gotta be done and the players gotta learn " on the field " rivers will be fine.

[Tricked]

hensen didn't wanna come out in chicago, did he?
you wanna see henson\romo get a shot at QB, right? bills gonna play the person who he thinks gives us the best chance to win, and anyone to say that romo\henson would give us a better shot than bledsoe is outta their mind.. they don't play the game to see what they might have in youth, they play to win

henson wasn't going to give us any shot at winning the game in chicago, he played terrible.. i wasn't happy at all with vinny at QB last season, so i wanted to see the change, but when henson was in there he really didn't do much... remember his first play against the ravens?

[burmafrd]

MAYBE. But it is certainly not one that will raise his stock any.

[kojak]

who said good coaches don't put in backups "just because" just earlier today???

it's a great opportunity and i'm glad he's getting it. if we're in the same position i hope romo and/or hensen gets some time in also.

looks like it does happen after all, huh?

I would love to see what Romo or Henson has. But after last year and seeing Vinny play after we already knew we was out of the playoffs. I don't see it happening :banghead:

Bledsoe will have to make that call, and we already know what will happen there.

[iceberg]

you wanna see henson\romo get a shot at QB, right? bills gonna play the person who he thinks gives us the best chance to win, and anyone to say that romo\henson would give us a better shot than bledsoe is outta their mind.. they don't play the game to see what they might have in youth, they play to win

henson wasn't going to give us any shot at winning the game in chicago, he played terrible.. i wasn't happy at all with vinny at QB last season, so i wanted to see the change, but when henson was in there he really didn't do much... remember his first play against the ravens?

wow - talk about missing the point.

someone earlier today said "what other coach is playing 2nd stringers!!!" i was pointing out in that game both did - 1 due to injury.

in washington drew shoulda been pulled to prevent injury to our "best chance". he wasn't cause he "didn't feel like it".

so someone smarted off asking who would do it and we saw where 1) it shoulda been done and 2) it was.

if we're not in "the hunt" we should see romo and/or hensen also. that's all i'm saying. you wanna go on a drew'scriticsjihad, have fun.

[Tricked]

wow - talk about missing the point.


if we're not in "the hunt" we should see romo and/or hensen also. that's all i'm saying. you wanna go on a drew'scriticsjihad, have fun.
lol, no, you missed the point, my point is we play to win, drew gives us the best chance to win, doesn't matter if we're in the race or not... you wanna see what we have in henson \ romo, but why? we don't get to make the calls.. bill knows what he has in them, he sees them practice all the time, right?

[kojak]

you wanna see henson\romo get a shot at QB, right? bills gonna play the person who he thinks gives us the best chance to win, and anyone to say that romo\henson would give us a better shot than bledsoe is outta their mind.. they don't play the game to see what they might have in youth, they play to win

henson wasn't going to give us any shot at winning the game in chicago, he played terrible.. i wasn't happy at all with vinny at QB last season, so i wanted to see the change, but when henson was in there he really didn't do much... remember his first play against the ravens?

WOW.

I would say Henson was doing just fine for his first game. He only threw one pick and he gets yanked at halftime?? Gee how many picks did Vinny throw last year and how many times did he get yanked at halftime?

[REDVOLUTION]

Rivers auditioning for JJ, BP and the Boys?

If Henson and Romo are not gonna be future then bring in Rivers behind Bledsoe next year. Let him start in 2007?

Happy New Years Cowboys Fans!

[Tricked]

WOW.

I would say Henson was doing just fine for his first game. He only threw one pick and he gets yanked at halftime?? Gee how many picks did Vinny throw last year and how many times did he get yanked at halftime?
vinny by no means in my opinion was a good qb, but that was a winnable game and hensons INT went for a touchdown, he was 4\12 for 31 yards, great stats, we could definitely have won with them ;)

[iceberg]

vinny by no means in my opinion was a good qb, but that was a winnable game and hensons INT went for a touchdown, he was 4\12 for 31 yards, great stats, we could definitely have won with them ;)

and how many bledsoe int's have gone for an INT this year??? did he get pulled?

[iceberg]

Rivers auditioning for JJ, BP and the Boys?

If Henson and Romo are not gonna be future then bring in Rivers behind Bledsoe next year. Let him start in 2007?

Happy New Years Cowboys Fans!

i wouldn't mind us looking at rivers but i doubt he wants to sit and "season" for a 3rd year while in eli's third year he's leading his team to the NFC East. wait, he did that in his 2nd year...

[iceberg]

lol, no, you missed the point, my point is we play to win, drew gives us the best chance to win, doesn't matter if we're in the race or not... you wanna see what we have in henson \ romo, but why? we don't get to make the calls.. bill knows what he has in them, he sees them practice all the time, right?

there is the fundamental difference. it DOES matter. you have few opportunities to give your backup qb's some reps and we've wasted 1/2 a game, 2 games last year, and 1/2 a game this year. 12 quarters of potential experience we could give to our backup qb's AT NO REAL COST TO THE TEAM yet we don't.

the last time cause drew didn't wanna come out.

[Wolverine]

Rivers auditioning for JJ, BP and the Boys?

If Henson and Romo are not gonna be future then bring in Rivers behind Bledsoe next year. Let him start in 2007?

Happy New Years Cowboys Fans!


I hope the Cowboys are not even thinkin of goin after Rivers. Rivers makes a tree stump look like Michael Vick. He has a weak arm. There are alota punters that would love to have the hang time that Rivers has when he throws the ball. Horrible throwin motion.

Please say no to Rivers. I would even take Vinny back before goin with Rivers.

[Tricked]

and how many bledsoe int's have gone for an INT this year??? did he get pulled?
ok, i refuse to defend vinny, he doesn't haunt my nightmares anymore.. my point is WE WANT TO WIN, don't you wanna see the boys win? do you wanna wait til henson \ romo throws an interception putting us down by 7 to put the guy in that actually has a shot to win it for us? this game is one we should dominate, and if we do you'll get your chance to see one of the yungins play

[iceberg]

ok, i refuse to defend vinny, he doesn't haunt my nightmares anymore.. my point is WE WANT TO WIN, don't you wanna see the boys win? do you wanna wait til henson \ romo throws an interception putting us down by 7 to put the guy in that actually has a shot to win it for us? this game is one we should dominate, and if we do you'll get your chance to see one of the yungins play

who's talking vinnie? i'm talking DREW BLEDSOE!!! not long ago i saw an int run back for a td. losin track? : )

you wanna defend drew no matter what - go ahead. i wanna defend our team, no matter what. i don't like the "team" moves at qb, period.

[REDVOLUTION]

Rivers auditioning for JJ, BP and Cowboys?

Could bring him in behind Bledsoe next year and start him in 2007 if Henson and Romo are not it?

Happy New Years Cowboys Fans!

[BigDFan5]

who said good coaches don't put in backups "just because" just earlier today???

it's a great opportunity and i'm glad he's getting it. if we're in the same position i hope romo and/or hensen gets some time in also.

looks like it does happen after all, huh?

Brees got hurt

[kojak]

vinny by no means in my opinion was a good qb, but that was a winnable game and hensons INT went for a touchdown, he was 4\12 for 31 yards, great stats, we could definitely have won with them ;)

Hey he might have had a better second half. We might have won that game anyway. But still he didn't play bad enough to be replaced by the guy who is supposed to be injured. Not a real confidence booster if you ask me.

But we will never know, just like come sunday when we are already out of the picture. We won't see Romo nor will we see Henson, unless Bledsoe gets hurt or something bad like that. And that's a shame when your too stubborn to play your backup's because you want to win to bad.

If tomorrow's game means nothing to us,I could care less at that point if we win or loose. I just want to see our backup's get some playing time. We are going to be in trouble if Bledsoe ever goes down next year, and our backup's are still wet behind the ears.

[Cowboy from New York]

Nothing I saw from him today impressed me. I think it was telling that the Chargers did not plan on playing him today but Brees injury forced them into it. I think they did not anyone to see too much of Rivers, so they could get trade value for him based on his high draft status and not an honest evaluation.
As I said before, 1st round qbs are about 50-50, boom or bust, there is no reason to gamble it all on Rivers, other pieces can be added to this team to let us be competitive sooner rather than later.

[Murph80]

Hell No I want our #1 pick. Thats what it will cost and they will get it for him.

[Tricked]

i'm not going to defend drew no matter what, he's made his mistakes (thinking about seattle in particular) also against san fran where he threw one for a TD, the bronco game was a bad throw, but you also have to consider the good things he's done as well.. he gives us the best chance to win, there for he'll start. Period. why? because we play to win


If tomorrow's game means nothing to us,I could care less at that point if we win or loose.

:rolleyes:

[iceberg]

i'm not going to defend drew no matter what, he's made his mistakes (thinking about seattle in particular) also against san fran where he threw one for a TD, the bronco game was a bad throw, but you also have to consider the good things he's done as well.. he gives us the best chance to win, there for he'll start. Period. why? because we play to win

:rolleyes:

great, i'll start on that list when i see a list of positives for hensen also.

i'm not saying sit down drew while we're in it - NO. what i am saying is if we're out, what "gain" do we get losing yet another opportunity to let younger qb's get some experience?

why is this such a tough message?

[REDVOLUTION]

Ok... but how long before we get our Franchise QB? Atleast he is a #1 from the draft that had played in college and went to NFL... unlike QC, CH, DH etc...

10 years is a long time(last SB)

We gotta start grooming someone worth while... the little we saw of Rivers today was enough to say yah or nay

[Tricked]

great, i'll start on that list when i see a list of positives for hensen also.

i'm not saying sit down drew while we're in it - NO. what i am saying is if we're out, what "gain" do we get losing yet another opportunity to let younger qb's get some experience?

why is this such a tough message?
because i don't agree with it, i agree with playing to win.. i wanna see the cowboys win, why? because i'm a fan... i hate our losses, they drive me crazy.. why would you wanna sacrifice a win to 'see what we have' when we have no say in it? it doesn't matter if we have a chance to make the playoffs tommorrow, i wanna see us win :)

[bbgun]

I see no evidence that he's dramatically better than the Vandy kid, who will only cost a first--unlike Rivers.

[iceberg]

because i don't agree with it, i agree with playing to win.. i wanna see the cowboys win, why? because i'm a fan... i hate our losses, they drive me crazy.. why would you wanna sacrifice a win to 'see what we have' when we have no say in it? it doesn't matter if we have a chance to make the playoffs tommorrow, i wanna see us win :)

so don't you think it's a good investment to give your players time when winning OR losing doesn't matter and IF your starter goes down you've got someone WITH some experience?

by this matter you would NEVER give a rookie a chance to start. watching eli tonight in his 2nd year, 1st year starting from the word go. wasn't "warner" a better chance to win?

i wanna win also - LONG TERM. 1 meaningless game at the expense of experience and evaluation time makes no sense to me.

peace out.

[Wolverine]

Rivers auditioning for JJ, BP and Cowboys?

Could bring him in behind Bledsoe next year and start him in 2007 if Henson and Romo are not it?

Happy New Years Cowboys Fans!


I said it another Rivers thread. NO WAY do I want Rivers in Dallas. He makes a tree stump look like Michael Vick.

He has a weak arm. There are puntes that would love to have the same hang time on their punts like what Rivers gets when he throws the ball.

Horrible throwin motion.


I will take Romo or Henson over Rivers easy. Both are much more mobile and athletic. Henson has a rocket arm. Romo has a strong arm. Romo can put alot more zip on his passes then Rivers could ever dream of.

NO ON RIVERS!!

[Tricked]

so don't you think it's a good investment to give your players time when winning OR losing doesn't matter and IF your starter goes down you've got someone WITH some experience?

by this matter you would NEVER give a rookie a chance to start. watching eli tonight in his 2nd year, 1st year starting from the word go. wasn't "warner" a better chance to win?

i wanna win also - LONG TERM. 1 meaningless game at the expense of experience and evaluation time makes no sense to me.

peace out.
yeah, ok

[jterrell]

who said good coaches don't put in backups "just because" just earlier today???

it's a great opportunity and i'm glad he's getting it. if we're in the same position i hope romo and/or hensen gets some time in also.

looks like it does happen after all, huh?
Uh yea if you want to try and showcase a guy for trade?
Lemme guess, SD really cares how good Rivers is in 5 years?

:lmao2:

[Eskimo]

Hard to judge a player by a single game but Rivers didn't do anything spectacular. He demonstrated a poor feel for the rush, a pop gun arm with awkward mechanics and poor athletic ability.

His main attributes of intelligence, leadership, accuracy and touch were not on display today but I wouldn't read too much into that.

I don't think Rivers' stock would rise because of this game, it may have dropped.

Chargers will be in an awkward position with Brees coming off a shoulder injury and Rivers being relatively unproven. If they get good QB play they will probably be SB favourites for next year.

[Wolverine]

Hard to judge a player by a single game but Rivers didn't do anything spectacular. He demonstrated a poor feel for the rush, a pop gun arm with awkward mechanics and poor athletic ability.

His main attributes of intelligence, leadership, accuracy and touch were not on display today but I wouldn't read too much into that.

I don't think Rivers' stock would rise because of this game, it may have dropped.

Chargers will be in an awkward position with Brees coming off a shoulder injury and Rivers being relatively unproven. If they get good QB play they will probably be SB favourites for next year.


I will take Drew Henson over Rivers any day. Henson has everything over Rivers. Henson is very athletic and mobile. Rivers has less mobility then a tree stump. Henson is smarter. Henson has a rocket arm.....Rivers has a noodle arm.

I am trying to think of a QB I would take Rivers over and I cant think of any yet.

[Natedawg44]

I love seeing A.J. Smith get embarassed. He made an *** out of himself talking crap about Rivers holdout then playing hardball with Antonio Gates. That alone might have cost them a trip to the playoffs. And was some good luck for us to boot. He could have had a bonafide number one WR to go with that offense in Roy Williams. He now will be lucky to get a late first rounder for Rivers who went 4th overall.

[Eskimo]

I will take Drew Henson over Rivers any day. Henson has everything over Rivers. Henson is very athletic and mobile. Rivers has less mobility then a tree stump. Henson is smarter. Henson has a rocket arm.....Rivers has a noodle arm.

I am trying to think of a QB I would take Rivers over and I cant think of any yet.

I don't know about how to choose between Henson and Rivers at present. Henson certainly has the better tangibles but BP has played major headgames with him and messed up his mechanics for reasons that elude me. His future is likely elsewhere or will have to wait for BP to retire.

I would not trade much for Rivers because I never believed he was worthy of a top-10 pick.

If I were SD GM I would commit long-term to Brees if his shoulder prognosis is good and hope to get a king's ransom for Rivers. Heck, Jimmy Johnson managed to get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder for Steve Walsh who may be a comparable player to Rivers.

[big dog cowboy]

At this point, I don't see how you could choose between Henson and Rivers either. But I do know there is NO WAY I want the Cowboys giving up a first rounder for Rivers.

[REDVOLUTION]

Ok.... Rivers sounds like a dog... a dog with fleas according to the members of this board... thanks for the 411 - any positives about him? or was he drafted that high just because...

[kojak]

because i don't agree with it, i agree with playing to win.. i wanna see the cowboys win, why? because i'm a fan... i hate our losses, they drive me crazy.. why would you wanna sacrifice a win to 'see what we have' when we have no say in it? it doesn't matter if we have a chance to make the playoffs tommorrow, i wanna see us win :)

Ok what is better? we don't make the playoffs and finish 10-6? We don't make the playoffs and finish 9-7?

At this point who cares? Why not start your backup's? You think Henry will be playing at this point? How about Rivera? Probably not. Why? Because it wont matter. So why not the backup QB's? And you never know, we might just win the game anyway.

[iceberg]

I don't know about how to choose between Henson and Rivers at present. Henson certainly has the better tangibles but BP has played major headgames with him and messed up his mechanics for reasons that elude me. His future is likely elsewhere or will have to wait for BP to retire.

I would not trade much for Rivers because I never believed he was worthy of a top-10 pick.

If I were SD GM I would commit long-term to Brees if his shoulder prognosis is good and hope to get a king's ransom for Rivers. Heck, Jimmy Johnson managed to get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder for Steve Walsh who may be a comparable player to Rivers.

i hate bp's games, but if he can't figure out a coach and get past the head games he won't be an nfl qb at any level.

[Natedawg44]

Isn't this about the 300 thread on Rivers to Dallas. I can't wait for the Vince Young and Matt Leinert threads to start when we have absolutely no chance at either one.