DeMarcus Ware, 8 sacks his rookie year, when is last time we had a rookie do that?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Amidst the gloom, thought I'd bring up some good news.

With his sack against the Rams, Ware finished the year with 8 sacks! :bow:

When is the last time we had a rookie collect that many sacks? Maybe some of you trivia experts can let me know.

Maybe I'm forgetting someone obvious, but I can't think of anyone, and I think you might have to go back to the players who started when they didn't collect the sack stat before you find a rookie who punished QBs as much as Ware.

[Shuttemdown41]

TBC, didn't catch the game. Did he beat Pace for his sack or was it against another Ram lineman?

[CrazyCowboy]

Amidst the gloom, thought I'd bring up some good news.

With his sack against the Rams, Ware finished the year with 8 sacks! :bow:

When is the last time we had a rookie collect that many sacks? Maybe some of you trivia experts can let me know.

Maybe I'm forgetting someone obvious, but I can't think of anyone, and I think you might have to go back to the players who started when they didn't collect the sack stat before you find a rookie who punished QBs as much as Ware.

I cannot wait for next year just to watch this guy play with a years worth of off season conditioning under his belt! What a great draft pick for us!!

[superpunk]

TBC, didn't catch the game. Did he beat Pace for his sack or was it against another Ram lineman?

He didn't really beat anyone, just ran Martin down on a roll out.

[Tio]

He didn't really beat anyone, just ran Martin down on a roll out.He put alex barron on his arse. Absolutely embarrassed him. He also had like 4 or 5 pressures, he was in Martins face all day.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I cannot wait for next year just to watch this guy play with a years worth of off season conditioning under his belt! What a great draft pick for us!!

Like others have written, I think when it comes down to Merriman vs. Ware, I think we got the better guy in the long run, they got the better guy in the short run.

[Yeagermeister]

Like others have written, I think when it comes down to Merriman vs. Ware, I think we got the better guy in the long run, they got the better guy in the short run.
If Ware didn't have to play the run or drop in to coverage like Merriman he'd be going to Hawaii also. I'm happy with our choice.

[Cbz40]

Ware is like a fine wine he will improve with age.

[big dog cowboy]

He spent half the season learning a new position. Now he needs to learn some new moves. He has the one thing you can't teach - speed. Add it all up, next year he could really be something. Great selection.

[Jarv]

Like others have written, I think when it comes down to Merriman vs. Ware, I think we got the better guy in the long run, they got the better guy in the short run.

How many sacks and tackles did Merriman get this year...Was it that much better than Ware ?

Looks like Ware dissappeared for the middle of the season...Hot at the beginning and the end...What happened in the middle of the year ?

[NinePointOh]

TBC, didn't catch the game. Did he beat Pace for his sack or was it against another Ram lineman?

On his sack, he knocked Alex Barron to the ground (rather than speed-rushing around him, which was nice to see), then caught Martin scrambling to the sideline.

There was also another play when he drove Orlando Pace six yards into the pocket before laying a hit on Martin and the commentators raved about how not very many guys could take Orlando Pace all the way back to the QB.

[DeWare94]

How many sacks and tackles did Merriman get this year...Was it that much better than Ware ?

Looks like Ware dissappeared for the middle of the season...Hot at the beginning and the end...What happened in the middle of the year ?

Ware was better in every category except stats and merriman beat him by 2, unless you wanna count pass deflections where ware had 1 and merriman had 4

ware had 58 tackles(47 solo, 11 assisted)
merriman had 57(43 solo, 14 assisted)

[DeWare94]

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i dont understand how people can say that merriman is so much better

[Jarv]

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i dont understand how people can say that merriman is so much better


More forced fumbles and STF ? Is STF stops for loss ?

If STF is stops for loss, then Ware had 18 plays for negative yards (8 sacks, 10 stops for loss) vs 10 sacks and 5 stops for loss...15 negative plays.

I really like Ware and think he has a great future for us.

[Duane]

Honestly we could continue to beat this horse to death. The bottom line is that both teams got good players and Ware has given us play making at that position that we haven't had since Haley.

[Hostile]

More forced fumbles and STF ? Is STF stops for loss ?

If STF is stops for loss, then Ware had 18 plays for negative yards (8 sacks, 10 stops for loss) vs 10 sacks and 5 stops for loss...15 negative plays.

I really like Ware and think he has a great future for us.Yes, and STFY is the yardage.

[DeWare94]

i looked at espn's key and it said STF means stuffs(tackles for a loss) and STFY means stuff yards

[Jarv]

Yes, and STFY is the yardage.

Thanks Hos, hows it going bro ?

[sago1]

And don't forget Cowboys played basic vanilla 3-4 scheme in this first year. Next year Parcells will add more complicated systems, etc. He already said in TC and later in season that he can't add to much in first year cause it would overload them, but next year is different. That's why I want Parcells back. If he doesn't we will regress and who knows what system a new HC brings it; we might even get stuck with Zimmer as HC.

[silver]

the only thing that bothers me is the age factor. why do we keep drafting the oldest rookies out there? other than that, i'm happy with who we got.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Honestly we could continue to beat this horse to death. The bottom line is that both teams got good players and Ware has given us play making at that position that we haven't had since Haley.

Amen! :cool:

I'm expecting 10 sacks minimum for Ware next year. Can't wait! :starspin

[dargonking999]

the only thing that bothers me is the age factor. why do we keep drafting the oldest rookies out there? other than that, i'm happy with who we got.

yea i noticed that, i never knew that Ware was two years older than Merriman. But you know BP likes old guys :D:D:D

[JonJon]

The reason people like ESPN are drooling over Merriman is because he made some big hits and was responsible for sending Priest Holmes home early for the season and almost putting an end to his career. That IMO is the only reason he made the pro bowl. But the truth is that Ware has been equally as useful to the Cowboys, and I think both will become feared players as the years go on. I will admit that Merriman does have a meaner streak than Ware does, but I saw flashes in Ware last night that has me excited for next year. I think Ware was more effective when he was able to rotate from the left side to the right side like he did last night. Hopefully he will see more of that next year. And did anyone else see Ware pile drive Faulk into the turf last night? That was amazing!

But as far as the Merriman/Ware competitions goes, I think both teams got an impact player so there really is nothing to argue about on either side.

[REDVOLUTION]

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i dont understand how people can say that merriman is so much better

I wonder what the stat for "Pressures" is for both guys... I know that Ware had alot of pressures that helped get Ellis Sacks

[Maikeru-sama]

This is the most sacks a player had the first year they were with dallas (rookie/fa) from 1982 and on.

LaRoi Glover 2002 6.50
Charles Haley 1992 6.00
Russell Maryland 1991 4.00
Eric Ogbogu 2003 3.50
Greg Ellis 1998 3.00
Dexter Coakley 1997 2.50
Ebenezer Ekuban 1999 2.50
Tony Tolbert 1989 2.00
Tony Casillas 1991 2.00
Roy Williams 2002 2.00
Jim Jeffcoat 1983 2.00
Eugene Lockhart 1984 2.00
Delroy Stewart 2003 1.50
Leonardo Carson 2003 1.50
Kenyon Coleman 2003 1.00
Terence Newman 2003 1.00
Dat Nguyen 1999 1.00
Willie Blade 2003 1.00
Alshermond Singleton 2003 1.00
Darren Woodson 1992 1.00

[Trip]

Ware's development was the biggest bright spot in our season. We have a disruptive player for years to come.

[Dallas4ever]

Merriman and Ware will be good players in the league for years to come. Based on their performance this year both teams came up big. It'll be fun watching the comparisons as they progress through their careers. I'm doubting that either team will disappointed with their guy.

[STSINAZ]

how many pressures did he have this year? 40? where can we find that out>?

[iceberg]

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i dont understand how people can say that merriman is so much better

they see highlight reels on espn and figure that's how he plays 100% of the time.

[nathanlt]

On his sack, he knocked Alex Barron to the ground (rather than speed-rushing around him, which was nice to see), then caught Martin scrambling to the sideline.

There was also another play when he drove Orlando Pace six yards into the pocket before laying a hit on Martin and the commentators raved about how not very many guys could take Orlando Pace all the way back to the QB.

I was impressed with that play too, until I rewound the tape, and Orlando Pace was NOT the one that Ware manhandled to get to the QB. It's a shame that they have such idiotic announcers at ESPN Sunday Night.

[joseephuss]

I was impressed with that play too, until I rewound the tape, and Orlando Pace was NOT the one that Ware manhandled to get to the QB. It's a shame that they have such idiotic announcers at ESPN Sunday Night.

I think Theisman said that it may not have been Pace. Maguire is just terrible. I didn't like him when he worked for NBC and don't like him now.

[Cowboy Junkie]

I have been searching and searching and searching and I can not find any place that has quarterback pressures...

I hope someone out there can help?????
cause it is driving me nuts.......

[Jay9508]

TBC, didn't catch the game. Did he beat Pace for his sack or was it against another Ram lineman?i dont think it was Pace, but who ever it was D-Ware knocked him on his back, then raced to the qouaterback