***The MEGA-SUPER-DUPER..Vince Young Thread***

[Wolverine]

Overrated weak armed QB who will be a bust in the NFL. I will take Vince Young over him easy. Better yet lets use our draft for OL and if a steal at FS falls to us go for that.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Exactly what I have been saying since the beginning of last season...

YOUNG>leinart

[FLCowboyFan]

Overrated weak armed QB who will be a bust in the NFL. I will take Vince Young over him easy. Better yet lets use our draft for OL and if a steal at FS falls to us go for that.

I agree! I was thinking the same thing. He is not what he is cracked up to be. Texas is making him look very average.

[Wolverine]

I agree! I was thinking the same thing. He is not what he is cracked up to be. Texas is making him look very average.


People think Bledsoe is bad at waiting for a WR to clearly be open. Lienart is even worse. This guy is gonna hella suck in the NFL.

[Hostile]

Old Irish proverb...

Lord make my words soft today, for tomorrow I may have to eat them.

[jksmith269]

Overrated weak armed QB who will be a bust in the NFL. I will take Vince Young over him easy. Better yet lets use our draft for OL and if a steal at FS falls to us go for that.
I'd take his weak arm any day of the week.... Granted I do think Quinn will be better but he's not coming out this year....

[Qwickdraw]

I personally think they are both overrated.
Especially Young.
He can run but he throws like a girl. No zip at all. And he runs way too tall for that garbage to fly in the NFL. He'll get killed. He has to get moving forward to build to a dangerous speed. In the NFL, he won't have time to get going forward.

Leinart is good but I wouldn't use a #1 pick on him either.

Now Reggie Bush... A.J Hawk... D'Brickashaw Ferguson...
THOSE guys are future Pro Bowlers.

[Jimz31]

Would he be good in the pros?

Leads the nation in passing efficiency.

But there is just something about him that makes me unsure. Perhaps it's his throwing motion. They tried to work on it when he first got to Texas, but felt that they were ruining him so they let it be. Good decision, IMO.

VERY Dynamic player and DEFINATELY a play-maker.

Still, what do you think?

[gbrittain]

Not trying to rag on whoever it was that said that, but Vince Young is a QB Stud.

Maybe he will bust, like many a NFL QBs have. However, he is better than Michael Vick, and Vick has been QBing for several years now.

Young is a great, great NFL QB prospect.

[CaptainAmerica]

...no way Vince Young stays in school after that performance.
The most impressive performance by an offensive player that I have ever seen, in a game where the stakes were so high.

If I'm Houston, I dump Carr and take Vince Young #1, no question!

[baj1dallas]

Nope, 3rd at highest.

[Jimz31]

I am leaning towards him being the #1 player in the draft like the mediots are saying. He can beat you with his legs AND his arm.

30-40 in passing...led the league in passing efficiency....tears EVERYBODY up with his legs.

Much better than Vick. Vick's problem is his arm.

[JohnnyO]

Lee Corso is right - leave now Vince and you take this kid first over Bush and the overrated Matt Leinhart.

[Alexander]

Not trying to rag on whoever it was that said that

Link?

Because if you do not laugh at this person, I will.

[thssanders]

He was pretty impressive. I would take him over leinart anyday. There is no way the Texans take a QB though, although i don't think they need bush either. Domanick Davis is plenty good enough. If I were them i would trade down to the highest bidder.

[Jimz31]

Young....#1. I agree. Prior to tonight, I and the media agreed that it should be Bush. Now, I and the mediots agree again. That's scary.

[jterrell]

I am praying he is there at 18.

If he is then replacing Bledsoe next year becomes very viable all of a sudden.
Sadly after this Michael Jordanesque performance I see no way he falls to 18.

He was the best player in college football all year and he proved it tonight.

[Jimz31]

I'd like to see how good Bush is without that behemoth line in front of him....even BP said that he should be gaining alot of yards with that line that he has. He said that a couple of weeks ago. I agree.

[big dog cowboy]

I am praying he is there at 18.

If he is then replacing Bledsoe next year becomes very viable all of a sudden.
Sadly after this Michael Jordanesque performance I see no way he falls to 18.

He was the best player in college football all year and he proved it tonight.
18???

He won't last past #3 or #4 at best.

[Derinyar]

I think this years draft could be one of those 10 years down the road that has a lot of high draft pick misses.

[gbrittain]

Link?

Because if you do not laugh at this person, I will.

It was on this forum a week or two back.

[silverbear]

18???

He won't last past #3 or #4 at best.

He's coming back to Texas next year, and should be the early favorite to win the Heisman...

That said, those who say he was the best player in college football this year are wrong-- that would be Reggie Bush, hands down... oh, Vince had a GREAT season, but Bush's was one for the ages...

[thssanders]

L. White looked every bit as good as bush tonight, if not better. But look at some of bush's other games. Against Fresno St. he was simply amazing. He pulled off some of the best moves I have ever seen. However, I have to say when he is not behind that line, like on kickoffs, he is not nearly as effective. He is a terrible kick returner (not saying he's a bad punt returner though).

[jimmy40]

Hometown boy, great QB, automatic sellouts. David Carr owed $8,000,000 roster bonus. I sure hope he stays though.

[Alexander]

It was on this forum a week or two back.

I wonder if the imbecile who said steps forward and takes his medicine.

[rexrobinson]

Vince Young even after you disect his fundementals has something that cant be taught and thats the a killer instinct to make a play.


We all know that he wont be able to do exactly what he does in the NFL due to the speed and smarts of NFL players, but his feet will prevent many a sacks, and he can throw the ball.

IMHO its Lienhart that throws a floater that will get picked off a lot in the NFL.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its really going to come down to how he performs at the combine in his drills.

If he throws the deep out then hes #1 overall easily. If he shows a weak arm hes might not be going first round.

Not only does he have the prototypical size but he has the leadership qualities that you want in your franchise QB, but year after year weve seen QBs stock flucuate dramatically with the draft.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Thats still if he goes into the draft!

Its funny how many people are now hopping on the vince young fan club bandwagon. Im just glad to see most of you have come to your concensus...

[jimmy40]

I am praying he is there at 18.

If he is then replacing Bledsoe next year becomes very viable all of a sudden.
Sadly after this Michael Jordanesque performance I see no way he falls to 18.

He was the best player in college football all year and he proved it tonight.He was already top five. :rolleyes:

[rexrobinson]

I dont think it would be a terrible pick if that is true, but I think they will Keep David, and upgrade that atrotious offensive line.

Vince Young will most likely stick around and work on his passing, well that is according to him before the game, but I think he is ready now.

[jimmy40]

I wonder if the imbecile who said steps forward and takes his medicine.It will have to be about 10-15 different people on this forum. Start at the top of the Bledsoe fan club and work your way down.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Yeah 10-15 minimum!

But I think they will be avoiding this thread...

[Kangaroo]

Hometown boy, great QB, automatic sellouts. David Carr owed $8,000,000 roster bonus. I sure hope he stays though.

I am sorry Vince game does not translate to the NFL

Look he is a great college QB and had a great season; great bowl game but that does not mean a great NFL QB his side arm delivery will have issues in the NFL where he can get away with it in college.

[DBoys]

Vince already said he is staying at Texas 1 more year

[BAZ]

It would be a Perfect fit with the Texans but I still think they have faith in Carr. Bush for Houston.

[DBoys]

I am sorry Vince game does not translate to the NFL

Look he is a great college QB and had a great season; great bowl game but that does not mean a great NFL QB his side arm delivery will have issues in the NFL where he can get away with it in college.

Granted but his passing game has improved greatly from last year. I think 1 more year and he will be solid.

[jimmy40]

I am sorry Vince game does not translate to the NFL

Look he is a great college QB and had a great season; great bowl game but that does not mean a great NFL QB his side arm delivery will have issues in the NFL where he can get away with it in college.
Damnit, Drew Bledsoe throws sidearmed all the time. End of issue.

[Derinyar]

Vince already said he is staying at Texas 1 more year
I think if he listens to anyone that hes coming out. Terriffic season. Incredible bowl game. His stock is higher now than its ever likely to be again. This time next year the question would be who is #1 Young or Peterson.

[DBoys]

Vince is staying at Texas guys he already anounced it.

[MRTRIPOD]

Jerry Should Give His Left Nut For The Guy!

[DOOMSDAYREBORN]

Bush is a good RB. To say it's because of the line is using the same excuse that haters said about Emmitt. That Emmitt was only good because of his O-line. Bush had a 4.7 avg against a pretty good Texas D. However to put him in the class with Sanders and Sayers is premature.

If Vince doesn't come out after that performance, he should be put in a mental hospital. His value can not do anything but go down, he should definately be the #1 pick.

[Qwickdraw]

Better runner than Aaron Brooks.

Not as good a passer as Aaron Brooks.

Same results in the NFL as Aaron Brooks.

[cowboysfan]

He better change his mind, lesson learned from Matt Leinart.


Vince already said he is staying at Texas 1 more year

[Maikeru-sama]

Link?

Because if you do not laugh at this person, I will.

LOL

Alexander you crazy man...

[Kangaroo]

I think if he listens to anyone that hes coming out. Terriffic season. Incredible bowl game. His stock is higher now than its ever likely to be again. This time next year the question would be who is #1 Young or Peterson.

Next year will be Brady Quinn I still think he is the best college QB that projects well to the NFL and with Weiss as his tutor for one more year he will look even better. I would still take Bush over Vince and if someone else wanted him bad enough I do like the Chargers did with Vick traded down a few spots and picked up extra picks.

No I am not bashing Vince I think he is a great great college QB I just do not like his game on the NFL stage but that is me

[Kangaroo]

Damnit, Drew Bledsoe throws sidearmed all the time. End of issue.

I think Drew Bledsoe sucks and is overrated and gets to much man love at least Vince does not have those cement blocks for feet

[MRTRIPOD]

BUSH looked GREAT 2night....NOT!

[TwoSteppinJJ]

He was pretty impressive. I would take him over leinart anyday. There is no way the Texans take a QB though, although i don't think they need bush either. Domanick Davis is plenty good enough. If I were them i would trade down to the highest bidder.

Maybe we would be the highest bidder? I would absolutely love if we drafted him!

HMM what could we give the texans?

[jimmy40]

BUSH looked GREAT 2night....NOT!30 yard reception in trash time padded his stats.

[Derinyar]

Next year will be Brady Quinn I still think he is the best college QB that projects well to the NFL and with Weiss as his tutor for one more year he will look even better. I would still take Bush over Vince and if someone else wanted him bad enough I do like the Chargers did with Vick traded down a few spots and picked up extra picks.

No I am not bashing Vince I think he is a great great college QB I just do not like his game on the NFL stage but that is me
Exactly. The best player in college is not always a great NFL player. Bush also gives me those vibes.

[Derinyar]

Maybe we would be the highest bidder? I would absolutely love if we drafted him!

HMM what could we give the texans?
Fortunately not enough likely. If we are going to blow our whole wad chasing a RB I'd wait for Peterson next year.

[Compacity]

Im glad he going to stay @ texas for another year... that gives Bledsoe time to give us another bad season as our starter and he should be able to get kick to the side after next season is over...

Vince Young!!!2007

[T-New41]

Look at his biggest games. Rose Bowl last year, Ohio State in the Shoe at night, Rose Bowl this year.

He does what he needs to do to get the win. He has a commanding Aura and his teammates rally behind him. He has a coolness about him like Tom Brady in big games. He does not get rattled.

Plain and Simple he is a QB and he is a winner.

[gbrittain]

I am sorry Vince game does not translate to the NFL

Look he is a great college QB and had a great season; great bowl game but that does not mean a great NFL QB his side arm delivery will have issues in the NFL where he can get away with it in college.

Was there a more side armed QB than Bernie Kosar? If Bernie can do it, I think Vince can do it.

[Dallas]

Wow - VY #1?

I would shoot the owner who made that pick. No offense but Young is just another Vick in the making and Ive seen everyone of you blast Vick for what he does. Not being a TRUE QB you say. Always thinking run first. Well thats VY. He can run you over all day and make it happen w/ his legs but his mechanics and throwing still have a lot to be desired. He did get better w/ it this year and shows the willingness to cool it and let things develop.

No WAY he would go over Leinhart or Bush. Sorry...just never gonna happen.

Young has progressed considerably this year. I have to admit. But #1 over Bush? Wow - not even close. The Rose Bowl and the NFL are two totally different demons.

[Qwickdraw]

Individuals do not win games in the NFL.

In college, yes. But in the NFL it takes a team to win.
That fact has been proven over and over and over again.
He will not succeed with his weak arm.
JMO.

[jimmy40]

Wow - VY #1?

I would shoot the owner who made that pick. No offense but Young is just another Vick in the making and Ive seen everyone of you blast Vick for what he does. Not being a TRUE QB you say. Always thinking run first. Well thats VY. He can run you over all day and make it happen w/ his legs but his mechanics and throwing still have a lot to be desired. He did get better w/ it this year and shows the willingness to cool it and let things develop.

No WAY he would go over Leinhart or Bush. Sorry...just never gonna happen.

Young has progressed considerably this year. I have to admit. But #1 over Bush? Wow - not even close. The Rose Bowl and the NFL are two totally different demons.If Vince declares and Houston doesn't take him, they'll kill the new coach.

[Alexander]

Exactly. The best player in college is not always a great NFL player. Bush also gives me those vibes.

Great points. I love both as college players. But I don't think either will be quite as electric as professionals. Particularly Bush.

When I see him play, he is about as exciting as Rocket Ismail was. And he was not worth the top choice in the draft either.

[cfujskins]

Im a Vince Young fan, but he will not be picked #1 overall. Would I be surprised if he did? No.

He will be a Top 5 for sure, though.

[Dallas]

If Vince declares and Houston doesn't take him, they'll kill the new coach.

Says the biggest Horn fan on CBZ.

Your man love is showing Jim. =)

[jimmy40]

Says the biggest Horn fan on CBZ.

Your man love is showing Jim. =)I'm talking for Texans fans here. Did I say Dallas should trade the farm for him? No I didn't.
btw: You're an OU fan, why should your opinion count?

[Natedawg44]

First question - Are running backs hard to find?

Second question - What is Micheal Vick's winning percentage as a starter?

[gbrittain]

If Vince declares and Houston doesn't take him, they'll kill the new coach.

If he were to declare, I think Houston would indeed have a hard time passing on him.

Vince Young would create an excitement unparalled in Houston since Earl Campbell was drafted. Being a Dallas fan, I hope they don't.

[SkinsandTerps]

Young is a better passer than Vick. Much better.

[Dallas]

I'm talking for Texans fans here. Did I say Dallas should trade the farm for him? No I didn't.
btw: You're an OU fan, why should your opinion count?

Your a Horn fan. Then why on EARTH should your unbiased opinion of VY matter.

Tit for tat daddie.

Like I said. Your jock love for VY is spewing all over the board bro. =)

[Derinyar]

It sounds like its not such an assured deal that hes back next year.

[jimmy40]

Your a Horn fan. Then why on EARTH should your unbiased opinion of VY matter.

Tit for tat daddie.

Like I said. Your jock love for VY is spewing all over the board bro. =)Lol, sucks don't it. OU laid down like little *****es against SC and Texas beat them. Lol.

[Dallas]

Young is a better passer than Vick. Much better.

This time in both college careers? I give the edge to Young..but only slightly. Lets remember....Vick didnt have those roadgrader OL like VY has had the past 2 years. Some of his lines are patched together leaking buckets.

[Dallas]

Lol, sucks don't it. OU laid down like little *****es against SC and Texas beat them. Lol.


You need to wipe off your chin Jim. You got a lil sumin there on the corner. ;)

[jimmy40]

This time in both college careers? I give the edge to Young..but only slightly. Lets remember....Vick didnt have those roadgrader OL like VY has had the past 2 years. Some of his lines are patched together leaking buckets.I bet you can come up with 1,899 excuses for Vince Young's talent.

[Dallas]

I bet you can come up with 1,899 excuses for Vince Young's talent.

To go alone w/ the 2499 you have had? Whats your point? :D

[jimmy40]

Fortunately not enough likely. If we are going to blow our whole wad chasing a RB I'd wait for Peterson next year.I love Peterson, what a beast.

[Alexander]

I know everyone is excited after a super game, but this kind of talk is foolish.


First he probably isn't declaring and second, I don't think it is a given that he gets chosen first overall.

[Derinyar]

I know everyone is excited after a super game, but this kind of talk is foolish.


First he probably isn't declaring and second, I don't think it is a given that he gets chosen first overall.
I think he declares. He sounded really open to it in the PC he just gave.

[Alexander]

I think he declares. He sounded really open to it in the PC he just gave.

Longhorn players have a history of staying in school. I can think of a million tears that Mack Brown will shed to keep him around. On the other hand, he could look at what it got Leinart and decide to strike when the iron is hot.

He is an amazing talent, but if someone chooses him first overall, they better be prepared to sit him for a season and let him learn.

[SkinsandTerps]

I think this years draft could be one of those 10 years down the road that has a lot of high draft pick misses.

Now this guy has a good head on his shoulders.

I see potential busts up and down this upcoming draft.

[Derinyar]

Now this guy has a good head on his shoulders.

I see potential busts up and down this upcoming draft.
Bush/Young/Leinart could all very well be big time busts, or big successes. I don't think any of them are guranteed successes.

[Natedawg44]

Corso is right If he doesn't leave now he is getting terrible advice. He should ride this hype train as far as it will take him. To say he is a slam dunk number one pick is ignoring a whole hell of alot. Like his delivery. Like the fact that no one in the NFL plays a spread offense or that he's a "running QB" in said spread offense. Dude had a great game on the biggest stage, but so did Juan Dixon a few years back and he didn't go number one in the NBA draft. Any boost that this could give him he should take it and run.

[Derinyar]

Corso is right If he doesn't leave now he is getting terrible advice. He should ride this hype train as far as it will take him. To say he is a slam dunk number one pick is ignoring a whole hell of alot. Like his delivery. Like the fact that no one in the NFL plays a spread offense or that he's a "running QB" in said spread offense. Dude had a great game on the biggest stage, but so did Juan Dixon a few years back and he didn't go number one in the NBA draft. Any boost that this could give him he should take it and run.
And thats what the agents are telling his mom and dad right now. If Young doesn;t leave, I think he is getting poor advice.

[Dallas]

Bush/Young/Leinart could all very well be big time busts, or big successes. I don't think any of them are guranteed successes.

Of those 3. I have the #1?

I take Leinart all day. Of the 3 he has the best NFL caliber talent. The other 2 are flashes in the pan as far as im concerned. One is the Heisman winner. Go figure.

We are talking w/ the #1.

I mean really. Of those 3. Who would you take?

[jterrell]

He's coming back to Texas next year, and should be the early favorite to win the Heisman...

That said, those who say he was the best player in college football this year are wrong-- that would be Reggie Bush, hands down... oh, Vince had a GREAT season, but Bush's was one for the ages...
Nope and it wasn't even close.

I'll explain why which I was arguing long before tonight mind you.

Reggie gets to field kick offs and get this 20 yards plus per return added to his "All-purpose" yardage. He then gets to run the rock about every 6th play. He doesn't take a beating because Lendale White does all the heavy lifting.

Reggie did not run one play between the tackles tonight. Not even 1. He might have broken 1 tackle all night.

Vince Young broke a number of tackles including those by DL/LB/DB. He ran through guys, aroud guys, over guys. He came up the middle, hit the sidelines and found the endzoen repeatedly.

He also DIDNT get to go take a seat and rest for a series while soemone else toted the rock. He would scramble 30 yards then come back the next play and toss a pass. Its the equivalent to singing after dancing like Britney Spears. Believe me there a reason they have those little dancing chickens lip sync.

Reggie was often off the field for USC in key situations all year. On the ND drive for the win his big play was pushing Lienart in the back. Facing a fast defense tonight he showed he can be contained because he is limited.

Without Bush on the team USC loses at most 1 additonal game because they had a great offense regardless. Without Young Texas can't win the Big 12 south.

[Derinyar]

Of those 3. I have the #1?

I take Leinart all day. Of the 3 he has the best NFL caliber talent. The other 2 are flashes in the pan as far as im concerned. One is the Heisman winner. Go figure.

We are talking w/ the #1.

I mean really. Of those 3. Who would you take?
I try like hell and trade it to someone who has an infatuation, and hopefully do it again for someone else who has one. I don't like Bush as a RB. I think Young has a ways to go to be a NFL QB. I think Leinart will probably be a NFL QB, just not sure how good of one he will be.

[Natedawg44]

D'Brickshaw and Mario Williams are probably the only safe picks in the draft

[Derinyar]

D'Brickshaw and Mario Williams are probably the only safe picks in the draft
D'Brickshaw is probably who the Texans should take. Start patching that horrid OL they have.

[Natedawg44]

I'll be interested to see what Bush runs at the combine. He was neutralized by a fast texas D. Last year Brodney Pool caught him from behind with NO angle whatsoever.

[SkinsandTerps]

Leinart definitely seems to be the guy to take of the 3.

I was talking to some friends today about the Falcons trying to trade Vick. Now would be the perfect time. There is so much hype around this guy who has really proven nothing and yet is still one of the most loved players in the game.

At least see what people were willing to give. The Falcons would make out like bandits.

[Derinyar]

Leinart definitely seems to be the guy to take of the 3.

I was talking to some friends today about the Falcons trying to trade Vick. Now would be the perfect time. There is so much hype around this guy who has really proven nothing and yet is still one of the most loved players in the game.

At least see what people were willing to give. The Falcons would make out like bandits.
Yeah probably. They already have someone who looks like he could be a good QB behind him also.

[Hailmary]

I think Young's a great COLLEGE talent. I think Vick was miles ahead of him passing the ball entering the draft. Scrambling, he has no equal...but he IS abig boy and I would be somewhat concerned about his weight down the road. Will he be as elusive 20 heavier once he signs that fat contract? (pun intended). Just my opinion, but I think he's the biggest gamble in the draft if he comes out. I have no problems w/ underclassmen coming out early, except for QBs. Vince stay in school.

I'll take the pocket passer over the scrambler in the pro level any day. Leinart will have a better career.

I also think Lendale White would make a better pro than Bush. He needs to get his weight down a bit however.

[jterrell]

I'll be interested to see what Bush runs at the combine. He was neutralized by a fast texas D. Last year Brodney Pool caught him from behind with NO angle whatsoever.
He's fast. Real fast but then again a UT linebacker ran stride for stride with him.

I hear all these Barry Sanders comparisons but he is 2 inchaes taller and 10-15 pounds lighter than Sanders. He actually remind sme most of Michael Vick if I had to name one person. He runs upright and has amazing quickness to go with his speed. A few of my older buddies at work swear he's a dead ringer for Gayle Sayers.

I would think that now GMs might be concerned that he will face speed like that every week on the next level.

I remember Desmond Howard just slaughtering defenses in college....

[Derinyar]

He's fast. Real fast but then again a UT linebacker ran stride for stride with him.

I hear all these Barry Sanders comparisons but he is 2 inchaes taller and 10-15 pounds lighter than Sanders. He actually remind sme most of Michael Vick if I had to name one person. He runs upright and has amazing quickness to go with his speed. A few of my older buddies at work swear he's a dead ringer for Gayle Sayers.

I would think that now GMs might be concerned that he will face speed like that every week on the next level.

I remember Desmond Howard just slaughtering defenses in college....
I definately think that Bush isn't a "once a generation player" like some of the talking heads are calling him.

[Dale]

For the person that said Young has already announced he'll stay in school...clearly, he changed his mind after tonight's performance and is, at the least, reconsidering. He said he will talk it over with his parents, starting tonight, to decide what to do.

And I agree about the potential bust thing. Leinart, to me, throws too many high-arching soft passes; Bush strikes me as a Vick of running backs -- a guy that will give you a highlight reel play every game, but isn't a complete player (IMO). I think whoever takes him will need their own LenDale White to really get the most out of Bush, so he can split out wide sometimes and not take such a beating at running back. Also, does whatever team that takes him use him in the return game? Risky gamble, but by not using him there, you're taking away one of his bigger strengths.

And as for Young, I like his intangibles; heart, leadership, size, athleticism, arm. I think he could really benefit from one more year in school in terms of passing mechanics and just overall refinement. He has shown such amazing improvement in the passing game over the years, and I really wonder what another year would do for him. The gamble with him is clearly that he'll be a Vick-type (minus the Ron Mexico), who is pretty much just a threat on the ground. But he seems like he has legitimate potential and ability to develop as a passer. Plus, that leadership is darn attractive.

Either way, great game. A lot of amazing collegiate athletics on display, and it'll be a lot of fun following these guys' professional careers.

[SkinsandTerps]

Yeah probably. They already have someone who looks like he could be a good QB behind him also.

Exactly. The 49ers gave up on Montana. The Falcons who over 40 years havent had back to back winning seasons could give up on Vick.

Schaub is a solid player. He just resides in the shadows.

[SkinsandTerps]

I think Young's a great COLLEGE talent. I think Vick was miles ahead of him passing the ball entering the draft. Scrambling, he has no equal...but he IS abig boy and I would be somewhat concerned about his weight down the road. Will he be as elusive 20 heavier once he signs that fat contract? (pun intended). Just my opinion, but I think he's the biggest gamble in the draft if he comes out. I have no problems w/ underclassmen coming out early, except for QBs. Vince stay in school.

I'll take the pocket passer over the scrambler in the pro level any day. Leinart will have a better career.

I also think Lendale White would make a better pro than Bush. He needs to get his weight down a bit however.

I am not typically a fan of QBs that run that much, but Young makes quick reads and make plays. He is not sacked nearly as much as most running QBs (from what I have seen).

And White at current weight is fine. Heavier would be an issue. He is a throwback like Earl Campbell, or OJ, big and fast.

[jterrell]

Lienart. I really thought he was special prior to tonight but honestly is this guy any different from Bledsoe? He has been having guys wide open all his college career. He is not at all elusive or quick and I can count the check downs I've seen from him on one hand. I'd still like to draft him but not necessarily 1st overall. I'd rank him 3 to 7.

Bush. I would love Bush as a Dante Hall type. A 3rd down runner, 2nd down slot guy who returns kicks/punts. I question his build for NFL contact. Few part time running backs have ever been as hyped in the history of college football. I'd rank him 10-18.

Young. He has prototypical size and atypical speed and strength. The way he shrugs off attempted tackles by DEs in college tell me alot about his strength. When blitzed he never panics and instead just lets the guy hang on him while he throws the pass. You have to love his confidence and also his accuracy. If I were to compare himt o Vick I'd want to see what Vicks passer efficeiny rating was and his completion percentage because while I know Vick can throw it 80 yards I am not sure he has Young's accuracy. I'd rate him 1-4.

Johnathon Scott. I'd really consider this kid a franchise LT. He is quick enough to pull for running plays to the right as well as block guys to a dead standstill on a pass rush that made all conference. I'd consider him my top overall draft pick, 1.

Lendale White. He is a big back but not without speed. He gets north and south as the cliche goes and he has incredinly strong legs. I'd consider him a top 10 guy. If Bush was not on that squad I'd suspect he would have won the Heisman. His TDs on the year were unbelievable. Say 6-10.

[Dale]

Someone said this on the main board, but I think the combine will really form most opinions on him. Jim, I agree that his awkward throwing motion makes him seem like an unnatural passer at times; the results are there, but something still seems iffy. Still, the improvement he has made over the years as a passer would seemingly have to be attractive for NFL GMs.

I have the same difficulty judging Young at times that I have with Leinart. They have such wide open passing lanes in college that it is hard, for me at least, to sometimes make that comparison to the NFL. Young's arm doesn't strike me as weak, but like Leinart, he floats a number of passes into his receivers.

Like a number of this year's prospects, a boom-or-bust talent. The ceiling is awfully darn high though with that kid. And like T-New said, his performances in big games cannot be ignored. The guy has the drive, that's for sure.

[Payton34Smith22]

I think Vince Young will be a Donovan McNabb like QB in the NFL instead of a Michael Vick. McNabb looks for the receivers, Vick just runs and doesn't look.

Vince Young is a much better runner than McNabb however.

[ddh33]

I don't know, but I would take a chance on him. That kind of talent doesn't come along very often. Yeah, he might get a GM fired...but he might win you a Super Bowl too.

[NorthDalal]

Leinart looks like an accurate short passer to me, an outstanding field general, a near perfect kind of West Coast QB.

He looks like a Drew Brees to Tom Brady type talent and he looks like a replacement for Pennington (on a tradeup with Houston)if the Jets ,decide his injury is chronic.

[Rack Bauer]

... first of all, he obviously needs work on his mechanics. That's a given.


But one thing he has that you can't work on is "It". And he has an over abundance if "it". The reason I wanted Leftwich instead of Newman is cuz he had (has) "It", and Young has a lot more of "it" then Leftwich had (in college).


If there's one person that Young really really reminds me of it's Michael Jordan. The guy just refuses to lose. He absolutely wills his team to win.


I wouldn't mind trading a few picks and players to pick up Vince Young in '07.

[FolsomCowboy]

I think Young stays to win the Heisman, he is almost a lock to nab it next year and it isnt like those grow on trees

[jbsg02]

I think you're right about having "it". Everyone has so many knocks on him but his composure mixed with his competitiveness is what makes him so special.

[Asklesko]

Damn right. I remember back in 2003, when Vince was splitting time with Chance Mock... I thought he had nothing back then. Boy, was I wrong. The kid's a phenomenon. I've never seen anyone realize his potential so quickly and so strongly. Goodness, from a frightening freshman season to the National Championship! He's got enough "It" for 3 qbs.

[scottsp]

Vince. Bless him.

[Tobal]

Bush was not on the field for fourth and one and fourth and 2 in the national championship games, that tells me all I need to know.

Guy is really quick, gets to top speed as fast as anyone, but VY destroyed good defenses.

[Qwickdraw]

Are you sure that's your objective opinion as a football fan or a biased take influenced by your love for UT?

Michael Jordan is the greatest to ever play his game...
let's not get out of hand.



He'll already belong to an NFL team in 07.

[TurtleTurds]

that would be dope if he was a cowboy come 2007 : )

[arglebargle]

Vince has 'that look'.

[StanleySpadowski]

You couldn't be more wrong. The great one's make others around them better. Vince Young is a lot like Michael Vick in that they make themselves look great but everyone else look worse.

[kingwhicker]

Thanks.

[RS12]

I think Jerry should pull a Ricky Williams type trade for Vince Young. If Parcells comes back the boys have to be in a win now mode, so it would not happen. However, if he does not come back and Jerry goes back to puppett head coach mode, he will need to sell tickets. Also Young solves your mediocre O line problems. I have never seen a running quarterback who it is so difficult to get a good hit on. He has Barry Sanders like elusiveness. I know NFL defenses are much better than USCs, however this guy is going to cause alot of sleepless nights for opposing NFL D coordinaters.

[Eddie]

Why the heck would we want Vince Young?

If he's around at the #18 pick, I wouldn't want him.

[Eddie]

Don't we have problems all along the OL, LB, Safety, WR, and Kicker ... and for some reason, Vince Young would be our savior?

Give an entire draft for ONE player ???

Thank god you don't run the Cowboys.

[ConcordCowboy]

Ok you're insane. :D

Not going to happen even IF Young come out and I don't think he will.

[ConcordCowboy]

Why the heck would we want Vince Young?

If he's around at the #18 pick, I wouldn't want him.

He just had a great game and won a National Championship...so I'm sure we're going to hear this a lot.

What happened to the people who were saying we need Leinart. :D

[iceberg]

He just had a great game and won a National Championship...so I'm sure we're going to hear this a lot.

What happened to the people who were saying we need Leinart. :D

most recently flashy object people want. when something else flashes, old object no good anymore. get new flash.

young is todays leinert!!!! (josey and the *****cats reference here :)

[thewivil]

While I wouldn't mind to have Young as a Cowboy, no way would I give up the majority of our draft for him. Besides, I really don't think he's going to declare this year. If he has another year like he had this year, he'll win the Heisman hands down and will be declared the greatest UT player of all time. He'll be either the first or second pick.

With that said, I'd much rather us trade our first rounder this year for someone else's next year and another mid-round pick. Then, we can make a run at Young or the N.D. kid.

[THUMPER]

He just had a great game and won a National Championship...so I'm sure we're going to hear this a lot.

What happened to the people who were saying we need Leinart. :D

What we need is a couple of those Texas OLs who gave Young so much time to throw last night.

[ConcordCowboy]

most recently flashy object people want. when something else flashes, old object no good anymore. get new flash.

young is todays leinert!!!! (josey and the *****cats reference here :)

No question...If he stumbles next year people will jump off the bandwagon.

Troy Smith of OSU will be available after next year anyway. :D

[ConcordCowboy]

What we need is a couple of those Texas OLs who gave Young so much time to throw last night.

Yep they did a great job...A Beauty to behold.

[Doomsday101]

As much as I like Young I would not trade an entire draft to get him and frankly if I had a choice between him and Leinart I would have to go with Matt who by the way also had a great game for USC. Another year in college for Young and I may have a change of heart. I do like Young and his athletic ability

[Alexander]

I think Jerry should pull a Ricky Williams type trade for Vince Young.

I am very glad everyone that is overreacting to a great performance by a growing QB is not the GM of this football team.

[Zaxor]

I am very glad everyone that is overreacting to a great performance by a growing QB is not the GM of this football team.

spoilsport;)

[superpunk]

I am very glad everyone that is overreacting to a great performance by a growing QB is not the GM of this football team.

Well, it's not really everyone. I think everyone in this thread is detailing the lunacy of a plan to get Young. I'm pretty sure NFL defenses aren't going to fall for the "Have all recievers run 40 yards downfield, while I stand in the backfield and allow my blockers to manhandle USC's D-line, and THEN take off for 30 yards" play.

[THUMPER]

Well, it's not really everyone. I think everyone in this thread is detailing the lunacy of a plan to get Young. I'm pretty sure NFL defenses aren't going to fall for the "Have all recievers run 40 yards downfield, while I stand in the backfield and allow my blockers to manhandle USC's D-line, and THEN take off for 30 yards" play.

:hammer:

[Double]

We dont need Vince Young. Ok, he won a national championship, now we should put our future on the line and send away our entire draft picks for a guy who hasnt played a down in the NFL, yes i said... the National Football League. Its better we fix our O-line and get a QB that can sit in the pocket and dissect the opponent. That is what a QB should do to remain durable in this league. Look at Vick, all that running is getting to him now, he is not getting any younger and the older you become, the more your knees weaken. Look at McNabb in Philly and all the other running QBs, how many surgeries have they gone through and do you think it doesnt cause some wears and tears on their body and hampers their durability. I wont even agree to a sign and trade for Young, not to talk of a Ricky Williams type deal. Fix the O-line and any good QB will complete passes and make plays. QB is not our problem and if we should look to the future and draft a QB, I want a QB that will be healthy and productive for 10 or more years.

[ravidubey]

Vince Young is a superior athlete and an excellent QB. Unfortunately, this isn't the time for Dallas to bail and draft him unless you say the team is purely rebuilding. Parcells wants to compete for a Championship next year; Young won't be ready for at least three years and that's if he comes out.

Drafts that produce only 1 or two contributers = 5-10 seasons. 1999- Dat, Ekubust and Page. 2000- three cornerbacks who were barely NFL players. 2001- Wasted effort on Quincy Carter. 2002- Roy Williams, Andre average Gurode, and nobody.

We are competitive now because of the 2003, 2004, and 2005 drafts. Dallas can't throw out the chance to get better in 2006 because of a man-crush on Vince Young.

Still, if it happened, I'd be excited to have a guy like that on the team, but I'd be disappointed for the veterans hoping for a chance to make a run.

[Rack Bauer]

Are you sure that's your objective opinion as a football fan or a biased take influenced by your love for UT?

Michael Jordan is the greatest to ever play his game...
let's not get out of hand.



He'll already belong to an NFL team in 07.


Well I'd say it's an objective opinion considering I'm not a UT fan.


And I never said anything about Young being the greatest of all time of anything. Is it possible to say someone reminds me of someone great w/o automatically being accused of calling that person great?

C'mon. He reminds me of Jordan cuz of the way he WILLS his team to win. Not cuz of his statistical accomplishments.

:rolleyes:


Vince Young is a lot like Michael Vick in that they make themselves look great but everyone else look worse.


First of all, how many people did Jordan make look great? Scottie Pippen? That's about it.


Second of all, I'd say those RBs for UT look pretty good. So does that TE. Sweed has his moments as well. Young doesn't have Roy Williams to throw to out there.

My point still stands.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Since there seem to be so many.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well I'd say it's an objective opinion considering I'm not a UT fan.


And I never said anything about Young being the greatest of all time of anything. Is it possible to say someone reminds me of someone great w/o automatically being accused of calling that person great?

C'mon. He reminds me of Jordan cuz of the way he WILLS his team to win. Not cuz of his statistical accomplishments.

:rolleyes:





First of all, how many people did Jordan make look great? Scottie Pippen? That's about it.


Second of all, I'd say those RBs for UT look pretty good. So does that TE. Sweed has his moments as well. Young doesn't have Roy Williams to throw to out there.

My point still stands.


I think Vince Has IT as well...I just hope they keep him away from a mic...I just can't stand to watch or listen to him talk.

Now I will disagree about one thing.

MJ made pippen look good, Kerr look good, Paxton look good and many of his team mates on the bulls look good when he was there.

I am not comparing young to MJ or Vick...just throwing that out there.

[iceberg]

Vince Young is a superior athlete and an excellent QB. Unfortunately, this isn't the time for Dallas to bail and draft him unless you say the team is purely rebuilding. Parcells wants to compete for a Championship next year; Young won't be ready for at least three years and that's if he comes out.

Drafts that produce only 1 or two contributers = 5-10 seasons. 1999- Dat, Ekubust and Page. 2000- three cornerbacks who were barely NFL players. 2001- Wasted effort on Quincy Carter. 2002- Roy Williams, Andre average Gurode, and nobody.

We are competitive now because of the 2003, 2004, and 2005 drafts. Dallas can't throw out the chance to get better in 2006 because of a man-crush on Vince Young.

Still, if it happened, I'd be excited to have a guy like that on the team, but I'd be disappointed for the veterans hoping for a chance to make a run.

3 years ago parcells said he had no time to groom a young qb. that puts him on a timetable and tells you his objectives right there.

now, 3 years later you say we don't have 3 years to invest in a young qb so we can compete this year? we've just gone through 3 qb's in 3 years and now our ol needs an overhaul. if we have a good year we'll get about what we got this year. you can say "if breaks go our way" but they usually even out and we tend to forget the time we won via "breaks" and focus on losing and correcting those. so we do, again, it'll even out.

i'm amazed at people who say you need to give bp his 3-4 years but he won't get a young qb cause he doesn't have time to groom him, yet here we are 3 years later saying bp needs another year or two with what got us here to begin with.

[Rack Bauer]

Well I agree with that. I just don't think Young HASN'T made his teammates NOT look good.


Plus, if you want to talk about a player that made his teammates better players, no one, and I mean NO ONE, tops Magic Johnson.

[The Fonz]

please please NO Vince Young
we have Drew and Tony they will be fine for now

[jksmith269]

... first of all, he obviously needs work on his mechanics. That's a given.


But one thing he has that you can't work on is "It". And he has an over abundance if "it". The reason I wanted Leftwich instead of Newman is cuz he had (has) "It", and Young has a lot more of "it" then Leftwich had (in college).


If there's one person that Young really really reminds me of it's Michael Jordan. The guy just refuses to lose. He absolutely wills his team to win.


I wouldn't mind trading a few picks and players to pick up Vince Young in '07.
I'll say this I was very impressed with the game he played last night and the one I watched him play against TT.

That said I just don't see his game translating to the NFL. I think he will have trouble playing from under center. I think the college teams who use mainly the shotgun are really hurting these QB's.

When in the shotgun you are able to watch the play develope more so than when dropping back from under center. I just have this feeling with his speed he will not give plays time to develope and run more than he needs to, or he will rush his throws and have many many INT's.

If he stays in college (which he needs to do) then I'd like to see mack Brown have him work more from under center so he will be a little more accoustemed to it granted there is no way the win a national title if he does play from under center next year but it would help VY greatly when he does reach the NFL. If he waits until he gets to the NFL to work on that aspect of his game he will be a bust.....

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think some may miss one of the points, if not the main point, of the thread.

If Bill is gone, if the coach we get is not really a huge name coach, if Jerry wants to sell tickets....would jerry, as a gambling man and one who wants to sell his product....would he try to trade up to get vince young?

I think jerry is the type who likes shiny objects.

[Jarv]

I think jerry is the type who likes shiny objects.

He's not alone there...by the way, nice guitar !

[iceberg]

He's not alone there...by the way, nice guitar !

that was cold, jarv. brain, you gotta admit that was funny!

[BARRYRAY]

I'll be the one, Jerah, we need Vince Young, he's what we is missing on the offense along with some linemen, make it happen, we've screwed the Texans before, remember we got Aaron Glenn. A guy like this only comes along about every 20 years, he's got it all, legs, arm, smarts. Yes I live in Austin, no I didn't go to UT and I don't own anything orange, but you can't live here and not notice this guy, even the USC coach was stunned...

[Eddie]

Vince Young hasn't declared.

No controversy.

Who cares???

[BrAinPaiNt]

that was cold, jarv. brain, you gotta admit that was funny!


It's not funny when you are married to a woman that likes shiny objects....and the money to get those shiny objects comes out of your own pocket. :mad: :laugh1:

Now...off to the draft zone.

[CrazyCowboy]

Old Irish proverb...

Lord make my words soft today, for tomorrow I may have to eat them.

I like that one Hostile!

[Jarv]

that was cold, jarv. brain, you gotta admit that was funny!

Dude, I pay child support to 2 different women. Nothing I have is shiny and new...Sorry Brain...

[gbrittain]

He's fast. Real fast but then again a UT linebacker ran stride for stride with him.

I hear all these Barry Sanders comparisons but he is 2 inchaes taller and 10-15 pounds lighter than Sanders. He actually remind sme most of Michael Vick if I had to name one person. He runs upright and has amazing quickness to go with his speed. A few of my older buddies at work swear he's a dead ringer for Gayle Sayers.

I would think that now GMs might be concerned that he will face speed like that every week on the next level.

I remember Desmond Howard just slaughtering defenses in college....

I hate all these back door forums, because nothing ever gets read. If you do read this, I have to agree...when I think of Reggie Bush I get flashes of Desmond Howard and Rocket Ismail.

[gbrittain]

... first of all, he obviously needs work on his mechanics. That's a given.


But one thing he has that you can't work on is "It". And he has an over abundance if "it". The reason I wanted Leftwich instead of Newman is cuz he had (has) "It", and Young has a lot more of "it" then Leftwich had (in college).


If there's one person that Young really really reminds me of it's Michael Jordan. The guy just refuses to lose. He absolutely wills his team to win.


I wouldn't mind trading a few picks and players to pick up Vince Young in '07.

Start Tony or Drew next year and we will not have to trade up. ;)

[Billy Bullocks]

is the best PLAYER in college football. He proved that he was well worthy of being invited to the Heisman ceremony, and last night showed that he should have won it. He took Texas onto his shoulders and led them to victory. Where was Mr. Reggie Bush in all of this? Well when his team needed tough yards, they gave the rock to Lindell White.

What Young did yesterday and over the course of the last year or so is just amazing. I had heard of him before last years Rose Bowl, but had no idea what he was really capable of. He came out and basically single handedly beat Michigan. When Texas needed a TD against OSU, Young never folded under the pressure. And yesterday simply speaks for itself. Simply incredible...and I wasn't even rooting for Texas

[ABQCOWBOY]

is the best PLAYER in college football. He proved that he was well worthy of being invited to the Heisman ceremony, and last night showed that he should have won it. He took Texas onto his shoulders and led them to victory. Where was Mr. Reggie Bush in all of this? Well when his team needed tough yards, they gave the rock to Lindell White.

What Young did yesterday and over the course of the last year or so is just amazing. I had heard of him before last years Rose Bowl, but had no idea what he was really capable of. He came out and basically single handedly beat Michigan. When Texas needed a TD against OSU, Young never folded under the pressure. And yesterday simply speaks for itself. Simply incredible...and I wasn't even rooting for Texas

Nice to see that Young is getting the National Exposure his game has merrited for some time. Yes, he really is a wonderful player to watch.

[THUMPER]

Thanks for starting yet another thread on the game yesterday, we didn't have enough. :rolleyes:

[Gaede]

Count me on Young's bandwagon.

He just single handedly willed his team to win the college championship

All these concerns (throwing motion, shotgun) are legitimate, but this guy has the intagibles to address them.

I think he's the best QB in the draft (Leinart isn't physically there--I didnt see any arm strength at all). He won't be the best in the NFL, he wont dominate like in college, but he should succeed. He wants to at least. I think hes alot like McNabb, only with a competitive spirit.