Interesting and a possibility

[CrazyCowboy]

I go to the Army High School All Star game every year and getting ready to leave the house for today's game.

NGATA was a man among boys in the game 3 years ago and he would look AWESOME in the middle of our defensive line stopping the RUN!

Trust me Zoners......you will LOVE this player!



Notes: Oregon's Ngata going pro
From wire reports
EUGENE, Ore. — Oregon defensive tackle Haloti Ngata said Friday he will leave school early to enter the NFL draft.
Ngata, a junior listed at 6-foot-5, 338 pounds, was a first-team All-America selection this season. He said financial concerns and his mother's poor health led him to the decision.

"I just want to help my family out," Ngata said. "My mom's going to be in and out of the hospital."

Ngata had three sacks and nine tackles for loss this season. He ranked sixth on the Ducks in total tackles with 61, including 32 unassisted. He made a season-high 11 tackles against California.

Ngata was the Pacific-10 Conference's co-defensive player of the year and the Ducks' MVP, becoming the team's first defensive lineman in 18 years to earn the honor. He also was one of three finalists for the Outland Trophy, given to the nation's top lineman. Minnesota center Greg Eslinger won the award.

While he hasn't hired an agent, Ngata understood from an NFL report that at worst he would go in the middle of the second round of the draft, scheduled for April 29-30 in New York. He said he was interviewing agents.

Ngata, speaking by telephone from his home in Utah, said his mother has kidney problems and is facing dialysis. Olga Ngata had surgery "a couple of days ago," he said.

Olga Ngata was in the hospital in Los Angeles when Ngata was playing in the Holiday Bowl on Dec. 29. "I was thinking about her that week," he said.

Oregon went 10-2 this season, with a regular-season loss to Southern California and a 17-14 loss to Oklahoma in the Holiday Bowl. The Ducks finished ranked No. 12.

Ngata, who set an Oregon record with seven blocked kicks during his career, took a low block during the loss to Oklahoma and tweaked his right knee. An MRI this week showed a sprain and a bone bruise. He said if he had torn a ligament, he likely would have returned to Oregon for his senior year. He made the final decision on Thursday at home in Salt Lake City.

Ngata becomes the fifth Oregon player to leave school early for the NFL draft, joining defensive back Kenny Wheaton (1997), running back Onterrio Smith (2003), tight end George Wrighster (2003) and defensive tackle Igor Olshansky (2004).

[Hostile]

If he falls out of the top 10 I'll be shocked. He is a bulldozer. I'd love to have him and would trade up if he fell too far.

[Dave_in-NC]

Can he be converted to O line?

[MichaelWinicki]

If he falls out of the top 10 I'll be shocked. He is a bulldozer. I'd love to have him and would trade up if he fell too far.


I dunno.

His production doesn't overwhelm me.

[TonyS]

Is he Samoan? If so, sign him. Those guys are tough and have a little bit of a nasty side to him. I can see Parcells now...

"Haloti, pick it up, you're mom's not getting any healthier. She needs that paycheck."

[Dave_in-NC]

Is he Samoan? If so, sign him. Those guys are tough and have a little bit of a nasty side to him. I can see Parcells now...

"Haloti, pick it up, you're mom's not getting any healthier. She needs that paycheck."

:lmao2: Then some guys on here would be screaming Parcells need sensitivity classes.

[sago1]

Already must have mentione entering NFL draft before cause 2-3 mock drafts I've all project him going no later seven several picks before Cowboys draft; one pick did show us drafting Wright at DT but other 2 also showed Wright going several picks before us.

[Clove]

That's one player I would move up to get ladies and gentlemen.

Do you all remember how the middle or our line would get pushed back and teams would just easily get a 1st down on 3rd and short, not any more with this guy. With this guy in the middle, you will see more ILB'rs making plays behind the LOS, and Ware,Spears/Canty/Ngata would destroy OLINE's.

I know people want us to go OLine first, but I promise you that Tackles are 3 rounds deep in this draft. I know of several great 2nd rounders who can get the job done, and BTW....Their are severl FAs who can be average RTs.. Remember this, we don't need an all-pro at RT, we just need someone with a heartbeat...Meaning, any FA can have their worst game and be better than Petitti or Tucker.

[Hostile]

I dunno.

His production doesn't overwhelm me.Look again. Those numbers for a NT are the essence of production.

[MichaelWinicki]

That's one player I would move up to get ladies and gentlemen.

Do you all remember how the middle or our line would get pushed back and teams would just easily get a 1st down on 3rd and short, not any more with this guy. With this guy in the middle, you will see more ILB'rs making plays behind the LOS, and Ware,Spears/Canty/Ngata would destroy OLINE's.

I know people want us to go OLine first, but I promise you that Tackles are 3 rounds deep in this draft. I know of several great 2nd rounders who can get the job done, and BTW....Their are severl FAs who can be average RTs.. Remember this, we don't need an all-pro at RT, we just need someone with a heartbeat...Meaning, any FA can have their worst game and be better than Petitti or Tucker.

What about all the cash we just paid Ferguson?

With Parcells here another 2 seasons that means that the 3-4 is here too.

I want a guy chosen in the first round that can start... and with Ferguson on board NO dt we're drafting is going to start.

I would much rather focus on ILB, FS or just trade out of the first round.

But I agree with you OT's are 3 rounds deep.

[MichaelWinicki]

Look again. Those numbers for a NT are the essence of production.


But we've got a NT Hos.

I want a guy that can start and according to "Bill's Law"... no rookie is going to come in and start over a "Bill's favorite".

I want a starter.

ILB or FS or trade out.

[Clove]

What about all the cash we just paid Ferguson?

With Parcells here another 2 seasons that means that the 3-4 is here too.

I want a guy chosen in the first round that can start... and with Ferguson on board NO dt we're drafting is going to start.

I would much rather focus on ILB, FS or just trade out of the first round.

But I agree with you OT's are 3 rounds deep.If not NT, then here's your ILB for the next 10 years..
http://www.virginiasportstv.com/index.php?sid=6&v=332&f=.mov

Then we can go after a couple of other DT options I had at DT in the 3rd rd.

[movinonout]

What about all the cash we just paid Ferguson?

With Parcells here another 2 seasons that means that the 3-4 is here too.

I want a guy chosen in the first round that can start... and with Ferguson on board NO dt we're drafting is going to start.

I would much rather focus on ILB, FS or just trade out of the first round.

But I agree with you OT's are 3 rounds deep.

IMO Bill Parcells will not last past next year. He will realize he has a QB problem that will keep him from the promise land. So if Bill has a) no playoff bid or b) an early playoff exit, he retires.

[MichaelWinicki]

Look again. Those numbers for a NT are the essence of production.


Did he play NT or DT?

Yeah, I would be more open if those are NT numbers. If they are for a true 4-3 DT then no, I'm not overwhelmed.

[Hostile]

But we've got a NT Hos.

I want a guy that can start and according to "Bill's Law"... no rookie is going to come in and start over a "Bill's favorite".

I want a starter.

ILB or FS or trade out.Ngata at NT will be better than Ferguson as a rookie. Not a doubt in my mind.

[MichaelWinicki]

If not NT, then here's your ILB for the next 10 years..
http://www.virginiasportstv.com/index.php?sid=6&v=332&f=.mov

Then we can go after a couple of other DT options I had at DT in the 3rd rd.



Sir now you've got my attention! ;)

[Clove]

Did he play NT or DT?

Yeah, I would be more open if those are NT numbers. If they are for a true 4-3 DT then no, I'm not overwhelmed.He is the perfect 3-4 nose tackle trust me.. He would start for Ferguson after 3 weeks, and you will see a huge difference in our dline productivity.

[Hostile]

If not NT, then here's your ILB for the next 10 years..
http://www.virginiasportstv.com/index.php?sid=6&v=332&f=.mov

Then we can go after a couple of other DT options I had at DT in the 3rd rd.
If I were a gambling man I'd say that is our guy. I will love it if it happens. Groh disciple, teammate of Canty, big, fast, vicious hitter, smart. Perfect fit.

[MichaelWinicki]

Ngata at NT will be better than Ferguson as a rookie. Not a doubt in my mind.


And then we're screwed on the cap. Now tell me Hos do you believe Ngata would give us more of an improvement over Ferguson or say Brooks over Shanle?

And once you figure in cap issues and what not I don't think the decision is a tough one to make. Both from a team and business standpoint I think it's much easier and cheaper to replace Shanle with a better player than it is Ferguson... who again is a "favorite" and favorites don't sit on this team--- as you've noticed. ;)

[MichaelWinicki]

He is the perfect 3-4 nose tackle trust me.. He would start for Ferguson after 3 weeks, and you will see a huge difference in our dline productivity.


Bill still wouldn't play him and then we're facing another big cap problem.

[Clove]

Ngata at NT will be better than Ferguson as a rookie. Not a doubt in my mind.I like your thinking. I guarantee you that BP will not let the RT position go un-handled,he's not stupid... But he won't mortgage the Defensive just to fix that RT position. He will load up in the 2nd round and 6th round and a couple of FA's that are fairly cheap...

Read my lips (or words) we will have RT solidified next season.

[MichaelWinicki]

If I were a gambling man I'd say that is our guy. I will love it if it happens. Groh disciple, teammate of Canty, big, fast, vicious hitter, smart. Perfect fit.

To me taking this guy makes too much sense...

1. We have a weakness at the position.
2. The starter doesn't make much money so if he's replaced we aren't going to get hurt financially.

Watch us take a running back. ;)

[Clove]

Bill still wouldn't play him and then we're facing another big cap problem.I think BP needed to put something in place last year at DT because Glover just wasn't going to do it. I don't know exactly what the figures are, but even if we don't go DT, we will definitely go ILB, you can't go without having atleast one of those in place...

[Hostile]

And then we're screwed on the cap. Now tell me Hos do you believe Ngata would give us more of an improvement over Ferguson or say Brooks over Shanle?

And once you figure in cap issues and what not I don't think the decision is a tough one to make. Both from a team and business standpoint I think it's much easier and cheaper to replace Shanle with a better player than it is Ferguson... who again is a "favorite" and favorites don't sit on this team--- as you've noticed. ;)Yes, I do because Ferguson is at the end of the line, Ngata the beginning. This is a LB heavy draft. I think you can get a better LB in the 2nd than you can a NT if that is the way we go.

That said I still think Brooks is the pick we target.

[MichaelWinicki]

I like your thinking. I guarantee you that BP will not let the RT position go un-handled,he's not stupid... But he won't mortgage the Defensive just to fix that RT position. He will load up in the 2nd round and 6th round and a couple of FA's that are fairly cheap...

Read my lips (or words) we will have RT solidified next season.


I agree. Look for a lineman in round 2... not round 1.

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes, I do because Ferguson is at the end of the line, Ngata the beginning. This is a LB heavy draft. I think you can get a better LB in the 2nd than you can a NT if that is the way we go.

That said I still think Brooks is the pick we target.


I dunno if Ferguson is or not... I just know that with the money we paid we can't afford to let the guy sit. Personally I'd keep both Glover and him and let's see if Johnson can develop.

I think Brooks is the pick we target also.

But if you want I'll contact another zoner to see if he will pipe in with what you're really thinking about stuff Hos. ;)

[Hostile]

I dunno if Ferguson is or not... I just know that with the money we paid we can't afford to let the guy sit. Personally I'd keep both Glover and him and let's see if Johnson can develop.

I think Brooks is the pick we target also.

But if you want I'll contact another zoner to see if he will pipe in with what you're really thinking about stuff Hos. ;)Not a bad idea. I wonder myself.

Regarding Ngata over Brooks if both are there at 18 I'll simply say this. BPA.

[Clove]

I dunno if Ferguson is or not... I just know that with the money we paid we can't afford to let the guy sit. Personally I'd keep both Glover and him and let's see if Johnson can develop.

I think Brooks is the pick we target also.

But if you want I'll contact another zoner to see if he will pipe in with what you're really thinking about stuff Hos. ;)I can see us swithing them in and out for now, and on passing downs, I can see pepper johnson or ratliff coming in when you run your 4 down nickel allignment.

[Clove]

Not a bad idea. I wonder myself.

Regarding Ngata over Brooks if both are there at 18 I'll simply say this. BPA.I heard reports earlier that BP wanted every scouting report he could find on Brooks... From what i'm reading now and from some of the early mock draft boards, Brooks will fall to us easily.

For linebackers , teams are looking for more of the 4-3 type like Hawk, Greenway or D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland...

[Hostile]

I heard reports earlier that BP wanted every scouting report he could find on Brooks... From what i'm reading now and from some of the early mock draft boards, Brooks will fall to us easily.

For linebackers , teams are looking for more of the 4-3 type like Hawk, Greenway or D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland...This is a LB heavy Draft. I can understand why Parcells would want info on Brooks. Putting it mildly he makes the most sense for us in round 1.

Burnett, James, Brooks, Ware

With Fujita, Fowler, Thornton as backups. Possibly another rookie in this draft.

I just like the sound of that.

[Clove]

This is a LB heavy Draft. I can understand why Parcells would want info on Brooks. Putting it mildly he makes the most sense for us in round 1.

Burnett, James, Brooks, Ware

With Fujita, Fowler, Thornton as backups. Possibly another rookie in this draft.

I just like the sound of that.They also say that Brooks could move over to OLB on pass rushing downs. He can play any position on the LB'r spot because of his speed and size.

[MichaelWinicki]

This is a LB heavy Draft. I can understand why Parcells would want info on Brooks. Putting it mildly he makes the most sense for us in round 1.

Burnett, James, Brooks, Ware

With Fujita, Fowler, Thornton as backups. Possibly another rookie in this draft.

I just like the sound of that.


I do too. We're just (obviously) very weak at LB.

[ghst187]

We've already spent too much money on the DL, we can't do that again.
Ngata did NOT impress me at all in their bowl game then he was injured AGAIN and left the game. If I'm an investor, he's a risky pick because he has an injury history already, and MAJOR injury at that! He blew out his knee! Imagine playing the Broncos chop blocking, he wouldn't last two plays. A DT with bad knees is not going to be very useful long-term. Lett was never the same player after his knee injury, I don't think Ngata has been either. 338 pounds on a shaky knee is scary, only a matter of time before it gives again. I think Ngata will be lucky to go round 1 because of injury concerns.
Ngata is also a risky pick at a position we already have full.
We already have the high priced Fergi and we have the youthful Pepper J. I actually like Pepper a lot, he plays with fire and nastiness. I think BP likes Pepper too. We have a solid DL rotation with or without Glover as we'll have Ratliff, Pepper, Canty, Fergi, and Spears, (and maybe Coleman) back for sure next year. That's 5-6 guys to play 3 positions.
Also, if you'll notice where we got gouged in the run game was usually around the ends and that's LB responsibility.

I think we'll be looking LB: Brooks, Hawk, Carpenter or OL: McNeil, Winston, Gean-Jiles or maybe WR; Santonio Holmes in round 1.

[Clove]

We've already spent too much money on the DL, we can't do that again.
Ngata did NOT impress me at all in their bowl game then he was injured AGAIN and left the game. If I'm an investor, he's a risky pick because he has an injury history already, and MAJOR injury at that! He blew out his knee! Imagine playing the Broncos chop blocking, he wouldn't last two plays. A DT with bad knees is not going to be very useful long-term. Lett was never the same player after his knee injury, I don't think Ngata has been either. 338 pounds on a shaky knee is scary, only a matter of time before it gives again. I think Ngata will be lucky to go round 1 because of injury concerns.
Ngata is also a risky pick at a position we already have full.
We already have the high priced Fergi and we have the youthful Pepper J. I actually like Pepper a lot, he plays with fire and nastiness. I think BP likes Pepper too. We have a solid DL rotation with or without Glover as we'll have Ratliff, Pepper, Canty, Fergi, and Spears, (and maybe Coleman) back for sure next year. That's 5-6 guys to play 3 positions.
Also, if you'll notice where we got gouged in the run game was usually around the ends and that's LB responsibility.

I think we'll be looking LB: Brooks, Hawk, Carpenter or OL: McNeil, Winston, Gean-Jiles or maybe WR; Santonio Holmes in round 1.I doubt Ngata makes it out of the top 10, and if he does, I'd jump on him like a prisoner on hooker.

No way Hawk falls to us either, especially after that performance he put on the other day.

[CrazyCowboy]

If he falls out of the top 10 I'll be shocked. He is a bulldozer. I'd love to have him and would trade up if he fell too far.

Hos, I initially thought the same, however, the article mentions NLT the mid 2nd rd......it would be great pick at 18 with Fergusion's underperfomance and BP not happy with Glovers size.

[MadCow]

If not NT, then here's your ILB for the next 10 years..
http://www.virginiasportstv.com/index.php?sid=6&v=332&f=.mov

Then we can go after a couple of other DT options I had at DT in the 3rd rd.


Yeah... draft Brooks! But after that get some 'youngins' for the OL to go along with a few FA pickups in that area.