David Carr for Ricky Williams?

[Gryphon]

From ProFootballTalk, so take it with a grain of salt..
RUMORS FLY OF CARR-FOR-RICKY TRADE

On Monday, we surmised that the Texans have floated the notion that they intend to select USC tailback Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick in the draft in order to avoid criticism from the Longhorns lovers that the lure of playing for his hometown Texans prompted Texas quarterback Vince Young to skip his senior season. (A reader also raised with us another solid possibility -- that the report was a trial balloon aimed at determining what the local reaction would be to not taking Young -- and we're told that the local reaction was decidedly negative.)

But the Bush report also might have been intended to throw potential focus off of rumors that are now emerging -- and these are rumors only -- of a looming trade between the Texans and Dolphins.

Under the deal, as we've heard it, the Texans would send quarterback David Carr to Miami for running back Ricky Williams (a former Longhorn) and a third-round draft pick.

Williams is under contract through 2007. Carr is due to receive an $8 million option bonus in February, which would extend his contract through 2008.

Again, these are rumors only -- and we're not suggesting that this trade will go down. But if it should happen it clears the way for the Texans to select Young.

Stay tuned.
David Carr for Ricky Williams?

[Portland Fanatic]

When can player trades begin? I thought it was March 3rd?

[Juke99]

If I was Miami, I'd take that deal in a second

[WoodysGirl]

I would too, Juke. They're give the keys and the Carr just to get a tricycle in return.

Seriously, if they trade Carr, I think they set their franchise back another three-four years. The hype around the city for VY is at epic proportions. However, I think it would be dumb of the Texans to draft him just to please the fans. I know they prolly took a hit financially this year due to all the empty seats, but winning cures all. I don't think drafting yet another young QB who won't be ready for who knows how long is the way to go.

[DLCassidy]

Houston can't be that stupid, can they? A 2nd plus Ricky is at least worth thinking about but a 3rd plus a guy that only a year ago quit on his team and lives on another planet? Not enough.

As for setting the team back, when you've won 1 game the previous year, you can't really go any lower. I kinda like Carr but maybe he could benefit from a change of scenery also. If you draft Young your team might stink to high heaven but at least they wouldn't be as deadly dull AND bad as they are now. Reggie Bush is going to be great but Young is from Houston. It seems like a match.

[Hostile]

If I was Miami, I'd take that deal in a secondIf I was Houston, I'd laugh myself silly.

[DanTanna]

I live in Houston and don't believe in Carr at all. I see Tim Couch all over again. Vince Young would at least be exciting to watch even though long term he may be worse than Carr. Wins and losses aside - VY would be fun in Houston.

[WoodysGirl]

I live in Houston and don't believe in Carr at all. I see Tim Couch all over again. Vince Young would at least be exciting to watch even though long term he may be worse than Carr. Wins and losses aside - VY would be fun in Houston.I live in Houston and disagree. Did Carr regress? Yes I'd say he did. This year the whole team regressed.

Young wouldn't excite me at all, tho, as an alternative. All I'd see is another struggling young QB. The same as the Texans already have. And from every scouting report/article I've read about Young, he needs 2-3 years to develop. If I'm the Texans, I don't want to go thru another young QBs growing pains for the foreseeable future.

[Future]

i dont see why houston seems to be wanting a RB so bad...be it bush or williams

dominick davis is a player IMO, HB should the the last thing on their mind...shouldnt it?

[SkinsandTerps]

This trade makes sense to me.

Williams is pretty durable as opposed to Davis.
The Dolphins need a QB for the future. Sage, Cleo, nor Gus arent going to be their guy.

Vince being a native player would be a good PR move and to me he has a lot of potential.

[Doomsday]

I live in Houston and don't believe in Carr at all. I see Tim Couch all over again. Vince Young would at least be exciting to watch even though long term he may be worse than Carr. Wins and losses aside - VY would be fun in Houston.

I can see how u can say that but dont you think the fact that they have had the WORSE oline in the NFL every year he has been has contributed to his undoing?

[T-New41]

So Houston gets Ricky Williams and a 3rd? I would jump on that if I was Houston. Armed w/ a 2nd and 2 3rd's they should be able to get a good o-line put together, especially if it is true that Kubiak is taking the reins in H-Town.

Pick the Hometown hero, which will buy the franchise a couple more years of rebuilding time.

[TheHustler]

If the Texans want Vince Young, and the fins want David Carr, makes perfect sense.

[Doomsday101]

From ProFootballTalk, so take it with a grain of salt..
RUMORS FLY OF CARR-FOR-RICKY TRADE

On Monday, we surmised that the Texans have floated the notion that they intend to select USC tailback Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick in the draft in order to avoid criticism from the Longhorns lovers that the lure of playing for his hometown Texans prompted Texas quarterback Vince Young to skip his senior season. (A reader also raised with us another solid possibility -- that the report was a trial balloon aimed at determining what the local reaction would be to not taking Young -- and we're told that the local reaction was decidedly negative.)

But the Bush report also might have been intended to throw potential focus off of rumors that are now emerging -- and these are rumors only -- of a looming trade between the Texans and Dolphins.

Under the deal, as we've heard it, the Texans would send quarterback David Carr to Miami for running back Ricky Williams (a former Longhorn) and a third-round draft pick.

Williams is under contract through 2007. Carr is due to receive an $8 million option bonus in February, which would extend his contract through 2008.

Again, these are rumors only -- and we're not suggesting that this trade will go down. But if it should happen it clears the way for the Texans to select Young.

Stay tuned.
David Carr for Ricky Williams?

Carr was just given his roster bonus this week, he is not leaving Houston. It appears they wanted to take away all doubts about their intention of keeping Carr and going after Bush.

[joseephuss]

Carr was just given his roster bonus this week, he is not leaving Houston. It appears they wanted to take away all doubts about their intention of keeping Carr and going after Bush.

I don't think he was given the roster bonus yet. He is due a roster bonus and I believe that kicks in this March. Houston just announced they would honor the bonuse when that time rolls around. That is not binding, they could change their minds.

[WoodysGirl]

Vince was on the radio this morning. It was a short interview.

Talked about the Rose Bowl. How the UT players felt disrespected leading up to the game. They were mad, they wanted to take the attn away from USC. Gave luv to his teammates. Said he's gonna finish his degree no matter what.

Said he came out cuz of a couple reasons. Timing (felt he's accomplished all he could at UT), the possibility of being drafted by the Texans, and of course money. He wants to play for Houston.

Said no one from the Texans has contacted him regarding being drafted. He's friends w/some of the players, and they've talked, but not about that. Said if it doesn't happen, Houston will always be his hometown and he'll "rep it to his fullest."

He also said he wouldn't mind if the Titans drafted him and he could sit behind McNair. He's taught him so much and he wouldn't mind learning more from him.

[Doomsday101]

I don't think he was given the roster bonus yet. He is due a roster bonus and I believe that kicks in this March. Houston just announced they would honor the bonuse when that time rolls around. That is not binding, they could change their minds.

It does not appear Houston is going to change their minds it appears they are going after Bush and they will keep Carr. Anything is possiable but with the overall fan fair here in Houston over Bush I don't see anyway that Houston will not take Bush which also pretty much goes hand in hand with staying with Carr.

[joseephuss]

It does not appear Houston is going to change their minds it appears they are going after Bush and they will keep Carr. Anything is possiable but with the overall fan fair here in Houston over Bush I don't see anyway that Houston will not take Bush which also pretty much goes hand in hand with staying with Carr.

I think you are right unless they just get a great offer to trade down.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It does not appear Houston is going to change their minds it appears they are going after Bush and they will keep Carr. Anything is possiable but with the overall fan fair here in Houston over Bush I don't see anyway that Houston will not take Bush which also pretty much goes hand in hand with staying with Carr.

I definatly see a way. Reggie Bush has not declared yet, so far as I know, and it's already the 11th. If he doesn't file by the 15th, he won't be in the draft. How would that impact the rumor of Houston trying to trade for Ricky and trade Carr I wonder?

[TLW47]

Just wondering if the Texans passed on Young why the Saints wouldn't take him. I don't see/hear that mentioned at all. It's always he's gonna be a Texan or Titan.

I think Carr is on the fast track to being a bust; in Houston anyway. He needs a change of address.

If the Texans are smart they'll draft Vincent. Home town kid, will sell tickets and will give them 100% everytime. Not to mention he's a bonafide winner. The guy has no quit in him at all.

[joseephuss]

Just wondering if the Texans passed on Young why the Saints wouldn't take him. I don't see/hear that mentioned at all. It's always he's gonna be a Texan or Titan.

I think Carr is on the fast track to being a bust; in Houston anyway. He needs a change of address.

If the Texans are smart they'll draft Vincent. Home town kid, will sell tickets and will give them 100% everytime. Not to mention he's a bonafide winner. The guy has no quit in him at all.

Houston may be able to trade down a few spots and still land Young. Lots of possiblities for the Texans.

[WoodysGirl]

Just wondering if the Texans passed on Young why the Saints wouldn't take him. I don't see/hear that mentioned at all. It's always he's gonna be a Texan or Titan.

I think Carr is on the fast track to being a bust; in Houston anyway. He needs a change of address.

If the Texans are smart they'll draft Vincent. Home town kid, will sell tickets and will give them 100% everytime. Not to mention he's a bonafide winner. The guy has no quit in him at all.I've been reading Leinart to the Saints.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Houston may be able to trade down a few spots and still land Young. Lots of possiblities for the Texans.

I would be very surprised at this. Unless it's swaping spots with NO, I would be shocked if Tennessee passed on Young. JMO

[HoustonSucks]

Houston will draft Vince unless the new coach - Kubiak - doesn't think it's the direction to take. Ownership wants him. Will McNail pull a Jerry? Stay tuned. Meanwhile, Casserly is a mouthpiece. Reeves is calling the shots. And they HAVE contacted Vince.

[Doomsday101]

Houston will draft Vince unless the new coach - Kubiak - doesn't think it's the direction to take. Ownership wants him. Will McNail pull a Jerry? Stay tuned. Meanwhile, Casserly is a mouthpiece. Reeves is calling the shots. And they HAVE contacted Vince.

I keep hearing Bush, Vince no doubt would be a home town favorite but I don't think Houston is going to give up on Carr.

[kartr]

Just wondering if the Texans passed on Young why the Saints wouldn't take him. I don't see/hear that mentioned at all. It's always he's gonna be a Texan or Titan.

I think Carr is on the fast track to being a bust; in Houston anyway. He needs a change of address.

If the Texans are smart they'll draft Vincent. Home town kid, will sell tickets and will give them 100% everytime. Not to mention he's a bonafide winner. The guy has no quit in him at all.

I agree. Chip Brown of the Dallas Morning News that Vincent would make the OL play better, besides, this draft is loaded with OL. With Vincent and Ricky/D.Davis,Andre Johnson,perhaps 1 more WR and a couple of OL, this team would be transformed. In spite of the OL problems, many feel in Houston that Carr just doesn't read defenses very well. Not a Texan fan, but that is what I would do If I were their GM.

[TLW47]

I don't see any way that the Titans pass on Young if the Texans and Saints do.

I just did some quick internet research and it appears the Saints have given up on Brooks so they should need a QB.

I don't like the Texans at all but you have to think that Young would be a great fit there. They could trade Carr, get some journeyman QB for a year or more, work in Young. He's not only a winner but the guy is a PLAYMAKER. Every team needs that.

You'd hate to pass on Bush but IMO Young is a perfect fit for the Texans.

If he goes to the Titans and the Texans have to play that kid for the next 10 years they'll rue that day. Bud wins again.

I wonder if the Cowboys would have any interest in Carr at all? He's busting in Houston and needs that zip code change. Perhaps with another team he would at least do better. He loved the Cowboys growing up but said he hates them now. I'm pretty sure that's just the Houston/Dallas "who is better" crap talking. I'm guessing if he could wear the star he'd be ok with it.

[gbrittain]

If Houston takes Bush, I say Saints take Leinart since they will soon be the Los Angeles Saints. Many on this board are split over whether VY is NFL caliber QB. What if some NFL GMs are feeling the same way. How far could Vince fall assuming his most likley landing place (Titans) pass on him.

I see the Raiders, Lions (maybe), Cardinals or Ravens as possible landing places. I for one dont think he makes it past the Titans, but if GMs are split as the fans are where do you see VY falling to?

1. Houston Texans
2. New Orleans Saints
3. Tennessee Titans
4. New York Jets
5. Green Bay Packers
6/7. Oakland Raiders
6/7. San Francisco 49ers
8. Buffalo Bills
9. Detroit Lions
10. Arizona Cardinals
11. St. Louis Rams
12. Cleveland Browns
13. Baltimore Ravens
14. Philadelphia Eagles
15. Atlanta Falcons
16. Miami Dolphins
17. Minnesota Vikings
18. Dallas Cowboys
19. San Diego Chargers
20. Kansas City Chiefs

[joseephuss]

Is everyone sure that McNair is going to be with Tennessee in order to tutor Young? He is due an outrageous $25 million dollar bonus. Sure they could rework that number, but he will still be exepensive. Why keep him at all? Volek can be the starter for a couple of years while Young is the back up. I think McNair is gone. He can come back up Bledsoe. :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

Is everyone sure that McNair is going to be with Tennessee in order to tutor Young? He is due an outrageous $25 million dollar bonus. Sure they could rework that number, but he will still be exepensive. Why keep him at all? Volek can be the starter for a couple of years while Young is the back up. I think McNair is gone. He can come back up Bledsoe. :D

Maybe you hire him on as a special assistant to the QB coach or some such thing. Who knows?

[EveryoneElse]

This would be a HUGE steal for Miami. David Carr has everything your looking for in a QB. He's tough as nails, great arm, great accuracy, can move a little. If Houston ever gets that guy an O-line and a decent running game, LOOK OUT.

Miami could give them Ricky,their 2nd, and a 3rd and still come out better in the deal.

David Carr > Ricky Williams, 2nd and 3rd round picks

Houston would be crazy to do this.

[koolaid]

i dont think this would be a bad move for houston or miami.
I think carr's days in houston are over, he had his chance and did not perform, granted the o-line was awfull, so he never really got a chance, but i feel like houston has given up on him. With Ricky and Davis could have a 1-2 punch at RB, and they could also draft hometown hero vince young. Upgrade the O-line this offseason and with young, williams, davis, and andre johnson, houston could have a solid O going into next season

[TLW47]

One of the Houston's sports radio guys had a great point.

He said if the Texans do not take Young that every single time Carr makes a bad play, a bad read, throws an interception, whatever bad he does he will be booed.

I don't care about the Texans much at all because their fans hate on the Boys so much but you have to think this guy is as good as done in Houston.

He's had 4 years and done next to nothing with less than nothing to work with. If they draft Bush his butt will really be under the microscope. If they draft Young he's gone.