Watch Polamalu

[Qwickdraw]

In light of our recent conversation about Roy vs Troy...
I was just reminding those who said they haven't seen much of Polamalu to pay attention today.

Maybe he won't show up at all. But if he does, it will be something exciting and remarkable.

[Clove]

In light of our recent conversation about Roy vs Troy...
I was just reminding those who said they haven't seen much of Polamalu to pay attention today.

Maybe he won't show up at all. But if he does, it will be something exciting and remarkable.The draft is that way. Sometimes you just get lucky, and the Steelgirls really did get lucky with this guy. BTW, I think playing safety is basically INSTINCTS.

[Wolverine]

The draft is that way. Sometimes you just get lucky, and the Steelgirls really did get lucky with this guy. BTW, I think playing safety is basically INSTINCTS.



read what Cobra said in my sig. That will tell you everything about what Roys problem is.


As for Palamalu. One of the best in the game. Maybe the best right now.

[Ken]

I saw him chasing Clarke on that TD........

[scottsp]

I don't really need statistical anomaly to figure this out. I see Troy Polamalu perform and he brings an element, particularly in coverage, that I really appreciate.

No disrespect to Roy. I just love the way he performs for the Steelers. He impacts games.

[DefendeR]

Roy is handicapped by Zimmer....
GROZ
GROZ
GROZ.

[scottsp]

There he is again. Pick.

[jbsg02]

another big play

[Qwickdraw]

see??

Hate to say it but...


you know.

[Clove]

see??

Hate to say it but...


you know.Yeah, you can hit like a freight train, but if you have no instincts of where to be, you're done as a safety.

[NorthTexan95]

In light of our recent conversation about Roy vs Troy...
I was just reminding those who said they haven't seen much of Polamalu to pay attention today.

Maybe he won't show up at all. But if he does, it will be something exciting and remarkable.

Everyweek he does something exciting ... or incredibly stupid. He would drive me nuts with the stupid penalties he takes.

[Qwickdraw]

ooooooooh


what a horrible call!


unbelievable.

[ddh33]

You know what I keep seeing? Troy P. gets to play in the box instead of being put 25 yards deep in coverage consistently. I have a hard time blaming Roy.

[scottsp]

This doesn't really have anything to do with Roy Williams, as far as I'm concerned. This kid is just a wonderful player. That's all.

[dguinta1]

What a joke! Interesting to see if that ref. is working next year.

[speedkilz88]

I think he is a great safety, but Roy could do just as well in that defense maybe even better. The Steelers put way more pressure on the qb than the Dallas defense. Hopefully in their second year of the 3-4 that will change. (Pressure on the qb makes everyone better on defense)

[scottsp]

I think he is a great safety, but Roy could do just as well in that defense maybe even better. The Steelers put way more pressure on the qb than the Dallas defense. Hopefully in their second year of the 3-4 that will change. (Pressure on the qb makes everyone better on defense)


I agree. Roy is a good, smart kid who seems like he works his butt off. I think the best is ahead for him. I'd LOVE to see a competent free safety beside him someday soon.

[Rack Bauer]

see??

Hate to say it but...


you know.


I don't recall anyone saying Polamalu sucked.


Roy is a better safety. How Polamalu did today (I didn't even watch the game) is irrelevant.

[DallasDomination]

Roy Williams needs to take some pointers from polamolu.

[jterrell]

Troy is 5'11" amd 212 pounds.

That makes him about 30 pounds and an inch or two less than Sean Taylor or Roy Williams.

Edgerrin James carried him 5 yards earlier.

I like Troy but he is a different type playmaker than Sean/Roy.

RW/Sean is like Lavar in that when they hit you you know you have been hit.

One can not totally discount the mental effect that has on opposing players.

[ghst187]

Roy is handicapped by Zimmer....
GROZ
GROZ
GROZ.

Have to agree...
Troy looks like Roy did Roy's rookie year....making plays in coverage, near the LoS, sacking the QB, all over the field.
Zimmer wasn't about to have any more of that....

[Etonicas]

This is what I refer to as a "Grass is greener on the other side" topic. There is always someone else out there who is always "better" than what we have.

[jackrussell]

If Troy Palamalulumalo intercepts a ball, on the run back, is it legal to drag him down by the hair?

[Rack Bauer]

This is what I refer to as a "Grass is greener on the other side" topic. There is always someone else out there who is always "better" than what we have.


Well when it's referring to the cowboys, realistically, there is usually always someone better.


Find me a position where that's not true.

But in this specific case, Roy is still better then Polamalu.

[jimmy40]

In light of our recent conversation about Roy vs Troy...
I was just reminding those who said they haven't seen much of Polamalu to pay attention today.

Maybe he won't show up at all. But if he does, it will be something exciting and remarkable.Troy's change of direction and sudden bursts are outstanding, Roy's are..well... not. Roy definetely hits harder though.

[Qwickdraw]

If Troy Palamalulumalo intercepts a ball, on the run back, is it legal to drag him down by the hair?
Absolutely.

Hair is considered part of the jersey.

[Chuck 54]

I think he is a great safety, but Roy could do just as well in that defense maybe even better. The Steelers put way more pressure on the qb than the Dallas defense. Hopefully in their second year of the 3-4 that will change. (Pressure on the qb makes everyone better on defense)
AT his size, Roy will never be as quick as Palamalu

[GoCowboysGo]

I wonder if the Cowboys moved Roy to LB and brought in two safties via draft and FA.

I think he would be a great LB given his ability to cover (compared to most LB's).

Just a thought.

[Etonicas]

Well when it's referring to the cowboys, realistically, there is usually always someone better.


Find me a position where that's not true.

But in this specific case, Roy is still better then Polamalu.

I agree, but it's all about perspective. Most of us watch the Cowboys 16 games a year, we completely micro-analyze every play of every game for every player on our team. Of course we're going to find flaws with everyone on our team when we watch them as much as we do. I also imagine other teams fans do the same thing to their teams players...

All i'm saying is I believe fans tend to be harsher on their own players than they are of players on other teams. That being said I in no way advocate complacency. :)

[Rack Bauer]

I agree, but it's all about perspective. Most of us watch the Cowboys 16 games a year, we completely micro-analyze every play of every game for every player on our team. Of course we're going to find flaws with everyone on our team when we watch them as much as we do. I also imagine other teams fans do the same thing to their teams players...

All i'm saying is I believe fans tend to be harsher on their own players than they are of players on other teams. That being said I in no way advocate complacency. :)



:hammer:

[Bizwah]

How many of these "Grass is always greener" posts must we endure?

I like the players we have. I like Roy at safety. I would like it if we had Polamalu. I like Sean Taylor (as a player....he's an idiotic human being) at safety.

Roy's a good player.....we could do worse at the position.

Sorry if I read the post wrong.....it seems the jist is, "look, another player better than what we have".

[Qwickdraw]

How many of these "Grass is always greener" posts must we endure?

I like the players we have. I like Roy at safety. I would like it if we had Polamalu. I like Sean Taylor (as a player....he's an idiotic human being) at safety.

Roy's a good player.....we could do worse at the position.

Sorry if I read the post wrong.....it seems the jist is, "look, another player better than what we have".
You did.

We had a long thread going last week about what people thought of Polamalu in relation to Roy.
To my surprise, many said they had never really watched Polamalu play.
I was simply saying that today would be a good opportunity to watch him in action if you had never seen him much before.

[Tobal]

What about Lynch did you see the game he had against NE? That's what Roy needs to be doing, we've got to find a FS with great range so we can turn Roy loose.

[chinch]

Roy "i cant cover" Williams is not in the same league as this guy and should not ever be compared to him except saying something like "I wish Roy was 1/2 as good as him". ;)

[Tobal]

Roy "i cant cover" Williams is not in the same league as this guy and should not ever be compared to him except saying something like "I wish Roy was 1/2 as good as him". ;)


um ok

:bow:

[koolaid]

in all honesty, ill take roy over troy

[TEK2000]

It was funny to see Polamalu run over and drug about 5 yards by Edgerrin James. Troy looked like a bull rider that just got bucked off and his arm was still caught in the rope.. HAHAHA Its a good thing someone else was there to bring James down.

Plain FACT.. Troy Polamalu is a totally different type of player than Roy Williams is.. and Roy Williams has not been used to the best of his ability since Darren Woodson played along side him (that being.. having a competent Free Safety that can handle man to man coverage and doesn't blow his assignments in zone).

[jimmy40]

It was funny to see Polamalu run over and drug about 5 yards by Edgerrin James. Troy looked like a bull rider that just got bucked off and his arm was still caught in the rope.. HAHAHA Its a good thing someone else was there to bring James down.

Plain FACT.. Troy Polamalu is a totally different type of player than Roy Williams is.. and Roy Williams has not been used to the best of his ability since Darren Woodson played along side him (that being.. having a competent Free Safety that can handle man to man coverage and doesn't blow his assignments in zone).and Tony Gonzales ran all over Roy like a speed bump. Easy to pick out one play, huh?

[TEK2000]

and Tony Gonzales ran all over Roy like a speed bump. Easy to pick out one play, huh?

Yep.. easy. Fact of the matter is all I was saying is the play was FUNNY to me. I made absolutely not mention to the caliber of player Polamalu is.

Thanks.

[chinch]

and Tony Gonzales ran all over Roy like a speed bump. Easy to pick out one play, huh?
how about when Roy got thrown down by a redskin last year.... threw him down with a wrist flick. real embarrasing.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Simply put Roy Williams is OVERRATED.

[TEK2000]

Simply put Roy Williams is OVERRATED.

I'd like to hear exactly why he's so overrated.

A LOT of people around here have a bad tendency to just make posts spouting off with any opinion they have without actually offerring any substance to support their opinion.

[lane]

troy polamalu is ray lewis in a safety's body.

outstanding player..

[AsthmaField]

how about when Roy got thrown down by a redskin last year.... threw him down with a wrist flick. real embarrasing.

That was a tennessee Titan player and it was in the preseason (read: low intensity)

[chinch]

nope - happened in a real game. i dont get "preseason" games here and watched in disbelief. i'm sure others can nail the exact game/play.

[KD]

some of you guys are out there.

Ray Lewis in a safety's body? ? Roy is a better tackler, hitter and makes more big plays. Roy punishes ppl, Troy tackles them.

Troy looked average in coverage today. I expected more. Roy can play at that level on a bad day.

I can't stress this enough, Roy on that defense would make many more big plays if allowed to roam so freely.

Shoot he had more turnovers on our D playing for Zimmer who as we all know calls a very conservative game.

[chinch]

punishes... lol. he "punished" brunnel and yet we lost the game with two BOMBS late against mr. toasty & co. The only people he punishes is cowboy fans who are clamoring for a great safety which we've lacked since #28 got hurt & retired :(

[KD]

Chris Brown did stiff arm Roy to the ground but Roy was grabbing at his Jersey. He didn't put a solid hit on him by any means.

Look at what he did to Jacobs this year on the goal line. Roy stuck him forced a fumble and recovered it. Jacobs is 250+ and Roy was standing straight up (no running start) while Brandon was moving towards the endzone. Roy rarely gets Run Over and I have never seen him being taken for a ride by ANY RB.

[chinch]

Chris Brown did stiff arm Roy to the ground but Roy was grabbing at his Jersey. He didn't put a solid hit on him by any means.
That is the point. Roy most often takes a bad angle and hence got tossed like a RAG DOLL without a "solid hit on him". If he were on the Eagles/Skins you guys would be ripping his play apart week after week considering his draft position.

[TEK2000]

punishes... lol. he "punished" brunnel and yet we lost the game with two BOMBS late against mr. toasty & co. The only people he punishes is cowboy fans who are clamoring for a great safety which we've lacked since #28 got hurt & retired :(

He punished McNabb when he ran by him into the endzone to win us the Philly game.

[KD]

chinch you are missing the point. Name me a saftey who doesn't get beat deep. Name me the saftey who didn't get beat this year by Moss that faced the Redskins. Roy was good in coverage this year. Check int's and balls batted down.

Roy is a SS and not a FS. He has better coverage skills that our starting FS which is why he was covering Moss late in those games. That shows you how bad we need a FS. He shouldn't have to be put in a position to be running down field deep with an opponents fastest and best wr. Stupid stupid stupid, we didn't draft him to do that. Late in the Colts game Troy was blitzing the qb, not deep in coverage. That's what SS's do more often than not. Play in the box.

Roy is a Playmaker, more so than Troy. Fact.

[chinch]

no, brady james punished mcnabb. roy got a game-winning "look what i found mom" freebie :)

[chinch]

chinch you are missing the point. Name me a saftey who doesn't get beat deep. Name me the saftey who didn't get beat this year by Moss that faced the Redskins. Roy was good in coverage this year. Check int's and balls batted down.

Roy is a SS and not a FS. He has better coverage skills that our starting FS which is why he was covering Moss late in those games. That shows you how bad we need a FS. He shouldn't have to be put in a position to be running down field deep with an opponents fastest and best wr. Stupid stupid stupid, we didn't draft him to do that. Late in the Colts game Troy was blitzing the qb, not deep in coverage. That's what SS's do more often than not. Play in the box.

Roy is a Playmaker, more so than Troy. Fact.
i'll agree to big time disagree w/ you here.

if we had ronnie lott back there with him he'd still be taking bad angles, covering the wrong guy deep, getting turned around, blitzing late, dropping sure INTs and underwhelming us. I hope to god to be proven wrong and Roy is MVP of the league next year but i'm not holding my breath.

[KD]

Rag doll? You can't be ****ing serious. MOST OFTEN TAKES A BAD ANGLE?
Can't be serious man.

[TEK2000]

That is the point. Roy most often takes a bad angle and hence got tossed like a RAG DOLL without a "solid hit on him". If he were on the Eagles/Skins you guys would be ripping his play apart week after week considering his draft position.

You've got 1 play to reference... good for you...

He didn't seem to have a problem with his pursuit angle on these plays:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/payton34smith22/Cowboys/williams-owens.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/payton34smith22/Cowboys/ouch.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/payton34smith22/Cowboys/musa.jpg

[cwalk]

What about Lynch did you see the game he had against NE? That's what Roy needs to be doing, we've got to find a FS with great range so we can turn Roy loose.
Bingo!!!!!!!!

[TEK2000]

i'll agree to big time disagree w/ you here.

if we had ronnie lott back there with him he'd still be taking bad angles, covering the wrong guy deep, getting turned around, blitzing late, dropping sure INTs and underwhelming us. I hope to god to be proven wrong and Roy is MVP of the league next year but i'm not holding my breath.

I think you're mistaking Keith Davis for Roy Williams.

A safety MVP of the league.. if that's what you expect (and it certainly appears that way) you'll be sorely dissappointed with ANYONE IN FOOTBALL HISTORY at that position.

[KD]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302238 Roy

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396174 Troy

Check the stats. Roy averages more forced fumbles, ints, tackles and even def tds than all Pro Troy Polamalu. What else does he have to do?

[TEK2000]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302238 Roy

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396174 Troy

Check the stats. Roy averages more forced fumbles, ints, tackles and even def tds than all Pro Troy Polamalu. What else does he have to do?

Like he said.. Roy's got to be MVP of the league.. something that NO SAFETY in the history of the NFL has EVER done.

[KD]

your right Tech I forgot. How stupid of me.


:bang2:

[Smith22]

Polamalu had an ok game. Let's not forget he was part of the defense watching Dallas Clark outrun the entire D for 40 yards or so. I believe Polamalu overpursued on the play and in the process knocked his own man out of position to make the play.