East-West Shrine Game

[Mr Cowboy]

This game is being played here in San Antonio this weekend. I looked at the rosters and was only familiar with a few of the names. I am thinking of taking my son to the game, is there anyone in particular on the rosters to look out for?

http://www.shrinegame.com/rosters.php

[Qwickdraw]

This game is being played here in San Antonio this weekend. I looked at the rosters and was only familiar with a few of the names. I am thinking of taking my son to the game, is there anyone in particular on the rosters to look out for?

http://www.shrinegame.com/rosters.php
Definitely.

Here are just a few to watch at the WR and QB spot...

Bruce Gradkowski QB
Jonathan Orr WR
Greg Jennings WR
Reggie McNeal QB
Todd Watkins WR
Paul Pinegar QB
Drew Olson QB
Cory Rodgers QB
Mike Hass WR

[BigDInCharlotte]

watch this kid:

Gerrick McPhearson, DB, Maryland

REALLY fast. Good for about 2 or 3 PI calls per game. ;)

[junk]

I'd look at:

51 Anthony Schlegel LB 6'1 251 Ohio State
72 Andrew Whitworth OL 6'7 325 LSU

[Qwickdraw]

What is the date and time for the game?

[The30YardSlant]

I'm interested in what Reggie McNeal can do when the A&M coaches arent f'ing him up

[Chocolate Lab]

Good names already... I'd add Dwayne Slay, Clint Ingram, DonTrell Moore, and Nate Salley.

Just on first glance, I've seen a lot of Shrine games with less talent than this one.

I'm interested in what Reggie McNeal can do when the A&M coaches arent f'ing him up
Did you see who was coaching the West? :laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

Good names already... I'd add Dwayne Slay, Clint Ingram, DonTrell Moore, and Nate Salley.

Just on first glance, I've seen a lot of Shrine games with less talent than this one.


Did you see who was coaching the West? :laugh2:

G'dammit :banghead:

[jterrell]

DBs Charlie Peprah and Dwayne Slay are both first day draftees.

Orr at Wr might sneak into round 1.

John Jolly, LeKevin Smith and Frostee Rucker at DL.

Taurean Henderson at RB. A good showing could mean alot as he is a great receiver but needs to show from a pro style formation.

Drew Olson at QB.

Reggie McNeal is an interesting case. Good athlete will need position change due to size I believe. Wonder if he can play WR or FS. His athleticism and size are good fits at either.

[The30YardSlant]

DBs Charlie Peprah and Dwayne Slay are both first day draftees.

Orr at Wr might sneak into round 1.

John Jolly, LeKevin Smith and Frostee Rucker at DL.

Taurean Henderson at RB. A good showing could mean alot as he is a great receiver but needs to show from a pro style formation.

Drew Olson at QB.

Reggie McNeal is an interesting case. Good athlete will need position change due to size I believe. Wonder if he can play WR or FS. His athleticism and size are good fits at either.

McNeal was an all-state DB in HS, however I think that, under the right system, he can QB in the NFL. He has a strong arm, and is far more accurate than Vince Young is, and everyone is projecting Young as a QB (dont let their respective completion % this year fool you, Young threw mostly to the TE and RBs while McNeal threw downfield nearly half the time).

His combine numbers will blow scouts away and make someone draft him purely on athleticism. It's not everyday a QB runs a 4.28 40.

[2much2soon]

Definitely.

Here are just a few to watch at the WR and QB spot...

Bruce Gradkowski QB
Jonathan Orr WR
Greg Jennings WR
Reggie McNeal QB
Todd Watkins WR
Paul Pinegar QB
Drew Olson QB
Cory Rodgers QB
Mike Hass WR


I like Hass. I think he is a Ricky Proehl-ish type guy. Should make a decent NFL possession type receiver with the occasional big play.
Paul Pinegar is NFLE fodder at best. Watched that guy get confused and abused by Boise State too many times. He may look like an NFL QB but just doesn't play like one.

[jterrell]

McNeal was an all-state DB in HS, however I think that, under the right system, he can QB in the NFL. He has a strong arm, and is far more accurate than Vince Young is, and everyone is projecting Young as a QB (dont let their respective completion % this year fool you, Young threw mostly to the TE and RBs while McNeal threw downfield nearly half the time).

His combine numbers will blow scouts away and make someone draft him purely on athleticism. It's not everyday a QB runs a 4.28 40.
My problem with McNeal as a QB is just size.
I think he is more Vick than VY who I liken to Ben R.

McNeal won't come near 4.28 for official numbers. If he is sub 4.4 that will raise many eyebrows and that he may can do.

[The30YardSlant]

My problem with McNeal as a QB is just size.
I think he is more Vick than VY who I liken to Ben R.

McNeal won't come near 4.28 for official numbers. If he is sub 4.4 that will raise many eyebrows and that he may can do.

Last year, McNeal attended some combine for college juniors and was officially clocked at sub 4.3. The guy has Deion speed, he is that fast. However, he doesnt have the lateral speed of guys like Vince Young and therefore takes more hard hits. However, if he gets in a straight line, there isnt a defender in the country who can catch him. I'll see if i can find the video, but in 2004 against KSU, McNeal was running and a K-State DB was waiting for the angle on him, and McNeal was so fast the DB never got a chance to get an angle and McNeal just blew by him.

[The30YardSlant]

Found it:

http://www.aggies9496.com/Images/AggieGifs/ReggieTD_KState2004.gif

http://www.aggies9496.com/Images/AggieGifs/ReggieTDKansasSt2004.gif

keep in mind both those guys he blows by are DBs, not LBs

[Qwickdraw]

Yea.
The 40 times that are thrown around about some guys are comical.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

How about Jabari Levey, SC, 6'8" 318 lbs.

Talk about a mountain.

[The30YardSlant]

Yea.
The 40 times that are thrown around about some guys are comical.

You act like sub 4.3 is impossible. It was done just last year by Fabian Washington

[Qwickdraw]

You act like sub 4.3 is impossible. It was done just last year by Fabian Washington
a Cornerback

[The30YardSlant]

a Cornerback

McNeal was a CB in HS, and has speed as such. Try again.

[Qwickdraw]

McNeal was a CB in HS, and has speed as such. Try again.
Tell you what.
Keep this thread.
We'll see.

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm betting against 4.28, but I still would love for us to draft McNeal as a project. I know he had a rough year, but I love his skillset as a QB. Besides the speed, he's got a quick and strong arm... He's not a running back who throws it, but a real dropback passer. Give him a year to practice under good coaching, and someone might have something...

[The30YardSlant]

I'm betting against 4.28, but I still would love for us to draft McNeal as a project. I know he had a rough year, but I love his skillset as a QB. Besides the speed, he's got a quick and strong arm... He's not a running back who throws it, but a real dropback passer. Give him a year to practice under good coaching, and someone might have something...

I don't think I want BP to draft him, because 1: He doesnt fit BP's system and 2: He wont be ready for at least 1-2 years.

However, he would make our O-Line look a hell of alot better. People compare him to Vick, however he is completely different. Vick is a RB in a QB's body, where as McNeal, like you said, looks to pass first. Vick also isnt near as good at eluding the pass rush as McNeal, Reggie wont get sacked much in this league.

[DallasCowpoke111]

Reggie wont get sacked much in this league.

I agree w/ this statement. Mainly because he'll be an UDFA, sitting on a practice squad come 9/06.

[BigWillie]

Last year, McNeal attended some combine for college juniors and was officially clocked at sub 4.3. The guy has Deion speed, he is that fast. However, he doesnt have the lateral speed of guys like Vince Young and therefore takes more hard hits. However, if he gets in a straight line, there isnt a defender in the country who can catch him. I'll see if i can find the video, but in 2004 against KSU, McNeal was running and a K-State DB was waiting for the angle on him, and McNeal was so fast the DB never got a chance to get an angle and McNeal just blew by him.

Most 40 times are done hand-held. Case in point is the players at VA Tech, Miami and FSU. Normally you hear these gaudy 40 times that will make your jaw drop, but when they are timed electronically, it will be totally different.

Take McNeals 40 time and have it done electronically (which is will be at the combine) and add anywhere from .15-.18 to the 40 time.

Also things to consider are like wind, track/field conditions, turf/grass, shoes and even altitude which can add as much as .25 to the 40 time.

McNeal's time was without a doubt done hand-held which is very subjective to say the least. The addition of .15-.18 is only on average, so you can add much more to that in alot of cases.

To get what I'm saying. Jerk out a stopwatch and start the stopwatch and stop it as quickly as you possibly can. Now just imagine starting and stopping a watch for a runner down to the exact tenth and hundreth he starts his dash and stops it at.

[ddh33]

I'm not an A&M fan, but I heard that there were a lot of fans who were unhappy with how he coached and handled Reggie McNeal. I can tell you that he always impressed me, and from a distance, it didn't look like he was allowed to do what he does best.

I wouldn't have a problem in the world with Dallas drafting him. He's got all kinds of speed and athletic ability. I even like how he has thrown the football.

Along these same lines, Brad Smith from Mizzu is another guy who kind of interests me. He's got a ton of ability too. He might be able to switch positions and make a roster.

[The30YardSlant]

I agree w/ this statement. Mainly because he'll be an UDFA, sitting on a practice squad come 9/06.

I was going to respond to this, then I noticed your sig and realized your feeble mind wouldnt grasp it anyway.

Care to place a wager on that? I'm not saying Reggie will be a 1st round pick or anything, but he will be drafted.

[DallasCowpoke111]

Care to place a wager on that? I'm not saying Reggie will be a 1st round pick or anything, but he will be drafted.

Naaaa, that's ok. You remember how mad your Dad gets when the big kids take your allowance away.

[The30YardSlant]

I'm not an A&M fan, but I heard that there were a lot of fans who were unhappy with how he coached and handled Reggie McNeal. I can tell you that he always impressed me, and from a distance, it didn't look like he was allowed to do what he does best.

I wouldn't have a problem in the world with Dallas drafting him. He's got all kinds of speed and athletic ability. I even like how he has thrown the football.

Along these same lines, Brad Smith from Mizzu is another guy who kind of interests me. He's got a ton of ability too. He might be able to switch positions and make a roster.

You are correct, he was not allowed to play his way. Reggie is at his best when he can drop back, look for his first and second read, and if they arent there tuck it and use his speed to his advantage. However, the coaches gave him as many as 4 and 5 reads per play, a very large number for any QB who can get the kind of yardage with their legs that he can. He was also used to run a lot of option and spread offensive players, where his speed and athleticism was limited by the lateral movement.

Reggie also throws a beautiful deep ball. He is the opposite of Vince Young in that regard, who can throw the shirt pass well but struggles with the deep ball.

[The30YardSlant]

Naaaa, that's ok. You remember how mad your Dad gets when the big kids take your allowance away.

Nice. You think that up all by yourself?

[The30YardSlant]

Most 40 times are done hand-held. Case in point is the players at VA Tech, Miami and FSU. Normally you hear these gaudy 40 times that will make your jaw drop, but when they are timed electronically, it will be totally different.

Take McNeals 40 time and have it done electronically (which is will be at the combine) and add anywhere from .15-.18 to the 40 time.

Also things to consider are like wind, track/field conditions, turf/grass, shoes and even altitude which can add as much as .25 to the 40 time.

McNeal's time was without a doubt done hand-held which is very subjective to say the least. The addition of .15-.18 is only on average, so you can add much more to that in alot of cases.

To get what I'm saying. Jerk out a stopwatch and start the stopwatch and stop it as quickly as you possibly can. Now just imagine starting and stopping a watch for a runner down to the exact tenth and hundreth he starts his dash and stops it at.

I agree to an extent, however after wathcing McNeal for 4 years I'll be shocked if he isnt clocked at at least 3.35 or less.