PittDawg: Offseason strength and Conditioning

[Vinnie2u]

First I want to thank you for posting here. And thanks to your Son for being a tough son of gun. I realize that he played to pain all year and he had to loose alot of weight before the season began. Losing weight takes alot out of a person and sometimes it can drain you Physically. I think that he held his own and that he should be proud of his accomplishments so far in his career. My question is How is Rob going to prepare this offseason? Is he working on his strenth? Does he stay at the Ranch and train? Or is this something players do on their own? Thanks

[Eddie]

I'm hoping Rob improves in his sophomore year as well. Hope he's able to make the next big leap.

But I'd still expect us to bring in serious competition for that RT spot.

As long as Rob knows the spot is not his, he'll work harder at his game.

[pittdawg]

First I want to thank you for posting here. And thanks to your Son for being a tough son of gun. I realize that he played to pain all year and he had to loose alot of weight before the season began. Losing weight takes alot out of a person and sometimes it can drain you Physically. I think that he held his own and that he should be proud of his accomplishments so far in his career. My question is How is Rob going to prepare this offseason? Is he working on his strenth? Does he stay at the Ranch and train? Or is this something players do on their own? Thanks

i think rob and strenght coach jurasak(?sp) already have an off season program worked out for rob. rob has been up north for the last two weeks to relax and unwind from this past season. i do believe the excesive weight loss, along with the high ankle sprain during the detroit game, played a big part in his wearing down as the season progressed. that said, rob also knows alot of work needs to be done to improve his level of play and by no means thinks that one year has assured him a long career. he'll be working on his own with the supervision of jurasak until march when the official unofficial off season work outs begin.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I haven't seen Pittdawg for a while. I think some of the idiot fans who don't really understand Football said some pretty crappy stuff imo.

To those folks who were overly critcial of Rob, ask yourself one question......What were your expectations of a rookie 6th round OT, in the toughest division in the league?

Yeah, he struggled a bit. I am confident that Rob will improve next year and in the future. IMO.....he needs to work on both his hand and foot speed. A solid year in the weight room will help greatly.

As for Pittdawg...I admire that you post here and stayed clear of some of the idiots who were obviously baiting you. I like hearing your updates and I hope you join us during this off-season.

That is all.....carry on.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Nice.....glad to see you back.

You must of wrote this as I was writing my above response.

[Doomsday101]

I haven't seen Pittdawg for a while. I think some of the idiot fans who don't really understand Football said some pretty crappy stuff imo.

To those folks who were overly critcial of Rob, ask yourself one question......What were your expectations of a rookie 6th round OT, in the toughest division in the league?

Yeah, he struggled a bit. I am confident that Rob will improve next year and in the future. IMO.....he needs to work on both his hand and foot speed. A solid year in the weight room will help greatly.

As for Pittdawg...I admire that you post here and stayed clear of some of the idiots who were obviously baiting you. I like hearing your updates and I hope you join us during this off-season.

That is all.....carry on.

I hope Rob gets better as well but I would also not consider his starting role set in stone either. If we can bring in a better alternative and have Rob compete for the job then I think it would serve the team better.

[Maikeru-sama]

To those folks who were overly critcial of Rob, ask yourself one question......What were your expectations of a rookie 6th round OT, in the toughest division in the league?


Well, I was one of the guys that defended his play. I looked at it like a Vinny Testeverde situation. It wasnt his fault that somebody in one of those Offseason meetings, raised there hand and said "Let's go with our 6th Round Right Tackle as a starter". I didnt have high expectations but I really didnt expect 13.5 Sacks, especially when we were keeping blockers in to help most of the time.


Yeah, he struggled a bit. I am confident that Rob will improve next year and in the future. IMO.....he needs to work on both his hand and foot speed. A solid year in the weight room will help greatly.


Not sure. The last straw for me was when he jumped offsides on a crucial 3rd and Inches play. What made that play so special was that it was just a quarterback sneak with Drew Bledsoe to get the 1st down. No reason to jump offsides to get quicker into your stands to stop the rush as it was going to be a sneak over the middle.

That play right there told me he probably had a ways to go.

[CrazyCowboy]

i think rob and strenght coach jurasak(?sp) already have an off season program worked out for rob. rob has been up north for the last two weeks to relax and unwind from this past season. i do believe the excesive weight loss, along with the high ankle sprain during the detroit game, played a big part in his wearing down as the season progressed. that said, rob also knows alot of work needs to be done to improve his level of play and by no means thinks that one year has assured him a long career. he'll be working on his own with the supervision of jurasak until march when the official unofficial off season work outs begin.

Thanks for the update pittddawg! I am pulling for Rob and what a great story it will be if he works his way to elite status!

[TruBlueCowboy]

I'm more hopeful for Rob than I am for some of those vets who stunk on the line last year. At least Rob was a rookie who barely even made it before the rounds were over. He's only going to get better. Fellas like Allen and Rivera are going to go downhill fast and the Torrin Tuckers of the world have probably shown us all they have. Guys like Tuey had tough intros in the NFL, offensive line seems to have a steep learning curve for a lot of college players adapting to the NFL.

[conner01]

from where he came from in the draft to be thrown into the starting line-up against the likes of strahan,little,peppers and the likes i think the kid did just about as well as you can expect. he will get stronger, maybe a little quicker feet, and smarter. i think as bad as this year had to be for him mentally it will be a great thing in the future. nothing like adversity to make you a stronger person mentally and a ton of football is mental.i suspect a mid level ot to be brought in but i don't see a high dollar, got to start guy. i think bill likes the kid

[Avenging Hayseed]

i think rob and strenght coach jurasak(?sp) already have an off season program worked out for rob. rob has been up north for the last two weeks to relax and unwind from this past season. i do believe the excesive weight loss, along with the high ankle sprain during the detroit game, played a big part in his wearing down as the season progressed. that said, rob also knows alot of work needs to be done to improve his level of play and by no means thinks that one year has assured him a long career. he'll be working on his own with the supervision of jurasak until march when the official unofficial off season work outs begin.......... You seem like a Topnotch guy Pittdawg. Good post! I for one as im sure many fans do ,appreciate the contributions Rob gave to the team this year. Sure he struggled this year, what rookie doesnt? Next year is a new season, with renewed hope. As long as Rob gives his all thats all any of us fans can ask for.

[neosapien23]

I haven't seen Pittdawg for a while. I think some of the idiot fans who don't really understand Football said some pretty crappy stuff imo.

To those folks who were overly critcial of Rob, ask yourself one question......What were your expectations of a rookie 6th round OT, in the toughest division in the league?

Yeah, he struggled a bit. I am confident that Rob will improve next year and in the future. IMO.....he needs to work on both his hand and foot speed. A solid year in the weight room will help greatly.

As for Pittdawg...I admire that you post here and stayed clear of some of the idiots who were obviously baiting you. I like hearing your updates and I hope you join us during this off-season.

That is all.....carry on.

It's okay to express your opinion and say we need a RT or I think Pettitti needs another year of learning. What isn't okay are some of the harsh posts like Pettitti doesn't deserve to be a Cowboy or he should give back his paycheck. It is much easier to ridicule someone on the keyboard especially when we do not sacrifice as much as they do to get on the field in the first place. I still hope Parcells drafts a tackle. Even if Rob Pettitti beats out he rookie due to his extra strenght, speed, and babtism by fire, we still need someone who can step in and play if injuries occur. Besides, Flozell is not getting any younger.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Totally agree with that. I don't have blind love for the guy, but many fans fail to grasp were he came from and how hard it is to excel at OT.

Some of the things I read were......apalling. I was just commending Pittdawg's tact in not engaging some of the louts. Not sure I could have shown as much restraint if it was my son.

[neosapien23]

Totally agree with that. I don't have blind love for the guy, but many fans fail to grasp were he came from and how hard it is to excel at OT.

Some of the things I read were......apalling. I was just commending Pittdawg's tact in not engaging some of the louts. Not sure I could have shown as much restraint if it was my son.

I agree. Mr. Pettitti is nothing but class!

[SDogo]

It's okay to express your opinion and say we need a RT or I think Pettitti needs another year of learning. What isn't okay are some of the harsh posts like Pettitti doesn't deserve to be a Cowboy or he should give back his paycheck. It is much easier to ridicule someone on the keyboard especially when we do not sacrifice as much as they do to get on the field in the first place. I still hope Parcells drafts a tackle. Even if Rob Pettitti beats out he rookie due to his extra strenght, speed, and babtism by fire, we still need someone who can step in and play if injuries occur. Besides, Flozell is not getting any younger.

I fully expect every harsh comment you made towards the kickers this year to be retracted:eek:

[alfonso_conchas]

Why Are you not in school?

[neosapien23]

I fully expect every harsh comment you made towards the kickers this year to be retracted:eek:

I only said we need a kicker. I never made insults towards Cundiff because their is no way I could do better.

[SDogo]

I only said we need a kicker. I never made insults towards Cundiff because their is no way I could do better.

I'm not sure about that;)

[neosapien23]

Why Are you not in school?

I'm on my break man. Just so everyone this dude is my brother.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I'm on my break man. Just so everyone this dude is my brother.

I'm telling MOM.

[THUMPER]

i think rob and strenght coach jurasak(?sp) already have an off season program worked out for rob. rob has been up north for the last two weeks to relax and unwind from this past season. i do believe the excesive weight loss, along with the high ankle sprain during the detroit game, played a big part in his wearing down as the season progressed. that said, rob also knows alot of work needs to be done to improve his level of play and by no means thinks that one year has assured him a long career. he'll be working on his own with the supervision of jurasak until march when the official unofficial off season work outs begin.

I liked a lot of what I saw from Rob this year but agree that he does have a ways to go before he will feel truly comfortable out there. Having had some seriously sprained ankles in the past myself I can attest as to how difficult they can be to rehab from and you usually just have to play through it until after the season.

He got beat by some of the best in the business too (Peppers, Strahan, etc.) so that should help to motivate him to work hard this offseason on his conditioning, strength, footwork, leverage, and technique.

I think he has a lot of the physical tools already and just needs more work to get better.

Tell Rob that THUMPER is pulling for him and to not let a tough rookie season get him down.

[StanleySpadowski]

I said when Dallas picked him that he wasn't in the plans for 2005 but a great pick for 2006 or 2007. There's simply no way that someone who lost that type of weight as going to be ready for the pounding of a 16 game season.

Circumstances changed and he was thrust into the lineup. Fortunately for the future, the game experience was huge, unfortunately he was worn down and dinged up so his technique suffered as the season wore on.

Hopefully his myriad of dings don't slow his first full NFL off season.



And Pittdawg, where's his weight at right now, ballpark if you don't mind? My only concern is that the ankle injury causes his weight to balloon much like it did after Pitt's season last year.

[pittdawg]

rob weights 325 give or take. that's the target for next year also, but i suspect it will be with alot less tummy.

[SDogo]

rob weights 325 give or take. that's the target for next year also, but i suspect it will be with alot less tummy.

If he ever wants to be a real OL in the NFL he needs the sweat stains down the back side. I don't see the sweat stains! Just ask John Madden!:laugh2:

[Hiero]

Rob had a somewhat off year, but no way he thought he would be starting at RT for the cowboys first year. He had a lot of work to do on his body, he shouldn't have been starting. That said he obviously has some work to do, but he should have a good football career. Worst case scenario imo is that we get a valuable backup who can fill in at both tackle spots. Best case scenario he whips his body into shape this offseason and comes back and earns the RT spot.

[Hiero]

rob weights 325 give or take. that's the target for next year also, but i suspect it will be with alot less tummy.
sounds perfect. he will be a lot more muscular quick 325 though.

[WoodysGirl]

I'm on my break man. Just so everyone this dude is my brother.ooooohhh somebody's gonna get in trouble... :nono2: :clubbed:

[Kittymama]

I haven't seen Pittdawg for a while. I think some of the idiot fans who don't really understand Football said some pretty crappy stuff imo.

As for Pittdawg...I admire that you post here and stayed clear of some of the idiots who were obviously baiting you. I like hearing your updates and I hope you join us during this off-season.
BINGO!!! Glad someone ELSE said it. Hats off to you Pittdawg for putting up with the crap that was posted.

A LOT of the fans here are idiots who post to see themselves in print. And they say some really nasty & ignorant things. Yet I'm guessing that none of them have ever gotten closer to a football game than their tv set, but somehow they're experts who can bash those who do put themselves on the line (players & coaches) every day.

Those are the same type of fans who end up harassing players' wives at games or throwing things at players. Peter King recently talked about Tony Dungy & how Dungy once mildly rebuked him (King) by pointing out that what King & others say affects families as well as the coach or player. Unfortunately, I think that's the aim of many sportswriters & fans on boards like this--they want to hurt (at least emotionally) the family members.

[Jay]

Thanks for all your input and your posts this season, Mr. Petitti. It brings an angle to this board that most other Cowboys boards do not have, and it is greatly appreciated even though it may not be said often.

It's a great thing to have class acts like the Petitti family in our Cowboys family. Here's to a great offseason and a great 2006 season. :starspin

[aikemirv]

Pittdawg, a question for you.

DO you feel that Robs long term position in the NFL is RT or do you think he is a much more natural LT and will be moved over to that side in time?

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Pittdawg, a question for you.

DO you feel that Robs long term position in the NFL is RT or do you think he is a much more natural LT and will be moved over to that side in time?

Great question...I was thinking the same thing. Has Rob been asked by Parcells or Sparano about this?

[WoodysGirl]

One thing I'd like to respond on...

Everyone has a right to their opinion. AND they have a right to post it here as long as it follows the posting guidelines.

Just because some posters may not be very tactful doesn't mean they are idiots. Given the fact that the O-line didn't play well down the stretch, I'd say they were justified in many of their comments. So let's tone down the rhetoric regarding "idiot fans" and such...


JMO :cool:

Oh and I'm glad Rob is taking some time off to recover from the season. I can imagine his and alot of the other players bodies need that recovery time... Tho I did read that Julius was at a charity function in Chicago w/Thomas on Sun. Let's hope he didn't recover TOO much... :)

[aikemirv]

One thing I'd like to respond on...

Everyone has a right to their opinion. AND they have a right to post it here as long as it follows the posting guidelines.

Just because some posters may not be very tactful doesn't mean they are idiots. Given the fact that the O-line didn't play well down the stretch, I'd say they were justified in many of their comments. So let's tone down the rhetoric regarding "idiot fans" and such...


JMO :cool:

Oh and I'm glad Rob is taking some time off to recover from the season. I can imagine his and alot of the other players bodies need that recovery time... Tho I did read that Julius was at a charity function in Chicago w/Thomas on Sun. Let's hope he didn't recover TOO much... :)

Well, just let me respond with this:

We do not allow personal attacks on each other her in the forum and I think that is because it is the RIGHT thing to do and be civil to each other.

Just the same then people should not throw those same attacks on players, if they would not do it face to face and without all knowledge of the situation.

Grown men should be above calling names and degrading players even if it is on an opinion board - that is not the right way to treat or talk about people.

[pittdawg]

Pittdawg, a question for you.

DO you feel that Robs long term position in the NFL is RT or do you think he is a much more natural LT and will be moved over to that side in time?

i really don't know. i really thought the speed of the game would dictate which side, but from what i've seen so far the left d-ends he's faced are just as quick as the right d-ends. we'll know better after this off season. one thing for sure, rob will play where ever to get on the field.

[SDogo]

Well, just let me respond with this:

We do not allow personal attacks on each other her in the forum and I think that is because it is the RIGHT thing to do and be civil to each other.

Just the same then people should not throw those same attacks on players, if they would not do it face to face and without all knowledge of the situation.

Grown men should be above calling names and degrading players even if it is on an opinion board - that is not the right way to treat or talk about people.

:lmao2:

I just find this funny because it's only an issue because of the person we are discussing ad the fact that his father posts on the board. How many Parcells, Gurode, Johnson, Rivera, Cundiff, Tucker, Cortez, Zimmer and so on threads have there been degrading these guys yet I don't see anyone rushing to protect them.

It's been beat to death but I see a tendancy to bend the rules a bit by some of you when it concerns other players.

[followthestar]

Rob was what we had, and I do understand that most rookies are simply not toughened to the NFL's longer season and greater physical demands. Not to even mention the mental toughness required, both on the field and off. But he gave it his all, and if nothing else he will provide us with solid depth and a stronger OL rotation. Still, we would be foolish not to bring in competition, and it may come from a veteran or rookie or both...
PD, thank you for your insights and team support, and i wish you a belated happy new year! And good luck to Rob - we need him!

[aikemirv]

:lmao2:

I just find this funny because it's only an issue because of the person we are discussing ad the fact that his father posts on the board. How many Parcells, Gurode, Johnson, Rivera, Cundiff, Tucker, Cortez, Zimmer and so on threads have there been degrading these guys yet I don't see anyone rushing to protect them.

It's been beat to death but I see a tendancy to bend the rules a bit by some of you when it concerns other players.

You know what, that may be true, but I seriously doubt that any of those guys read this board and care any about what we say. So why would we come on here to defend them when they never see it anyway.

It is just a matter of respect IMO. We all know that Pittdawg post on this board, and the fact of the matter is we are lucky that we have him IMO. If I were him and people showed me the lack of respect that some on this board have shown I would never come back.

[WoodysGirl]

:lmao2:

I just find this funny because it's only an issue because of the person we are discussing ad the fact that his father posts on the board. How many Parcells, Gurode, Johnson, Rivera, Cundiff, Tucker, Cortez, Zimmer and so on threads have there been degrading these guys yet I don't see anyone rushing to protect them.

It's been beat to death but I see a tendancy to bend the rules a bit by some of you when it concerns other players.It may be true in some cases, but not me.

As a mod, I see a lot of unnecessary personal commentary. So my comments in this thread were a general directive to tone it down as it pertains to the "idiot fan" rhetoric so some folks wouldn't get offended...

It's not about PD or any other family member who happens to read this board. Post what you want as long as it's within the rules...

Now I'm done w/this topic in the thread... I just wanted to put something out there...

Please feel free to carry on re: Rob's offseason conditioning...

[SDogo]

I think we can all agree the easiest and best sceanario would to be just have Rob come in next year and handle things they way he ans the fans want him to.

[SDogo]

You know what, that may be true, but I seriously doubt that any of those guys read this board and care any about what we say. So why would we come on here to defend them when they never see it anyway.

It is just a matter of respect IMO. We all know that Pittdawg post on this board, and the fact of the matter is we are lucky that we have him IMO. If I were him and people showed me the lack of respect that some on this board have shown I would never come back.

I'm just an equal opportunity critic;)

[aikemirv]

i really don't know. i really thought the speed of the game would dictate which side, but from what i've seen so far the left d-ends he's faced are just as quick as the right d-ends. we'll know better after this off season. one thing for sure, rob will play where ever to get on the field.

That is true, some of the best ends in the game line up against the RT. Strahan, Kearse, Julius Peppers,Leonard Little and so forth that he faced this year all play his side. I know that the LT protects the QB's blind side but it seems that most of the impact DE play the other side so sometimes I do not understand the emphasis as much on the LT for that reason.

[Verdict]

Ease up on Rob. It usually takes at least one season for a first rounder to get acclimated to the NFL. I think Rob did pretty well, all things considered. He will be considered a steal at some point in the future. I think some of you might be discounting him because he was a 6th round pick. Brady was a 6th rounder as well and he turned out pretty well.

I really wonder how Rob would have performed with a healthy Rivera next to him. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet. Rivera, Johnson and/or Gurode didn't really set the world on fire this season.

[DallasCowpoke111]

rob weights 325 give or take. that's the target for next year also, but i suspect it will be with alot less tummy.

I'm bettin' "tummy" ain't exactly what it's referred to in the weight room, esp when you're 3+ bills!!

:lmao2:

[aikemirv]

You know what, if FA had not gotten injured, Pettiti would have been helped much more this year as a normal rookie would and a lot of this stuff would have never taken place and we would probably be saying that we did well with that 6th rounder.

[StanleySpadowski]

You know what, if FA had not gotten injured, Pettiti would have been helped much more this year as a normal rookie would and a lot of this stuff would have never taken place and we would probably be saying that we did well with that 6th rounder.


Teams do well when sixth rounders stick on the roster for a couple of seasons. Getting a starter out of that pick is gold.

[StanleySpadowski]

rob weights 325 give or take. that's the target for next year also, but i suspect it will be with alot less tummy.


That's great news. If he keeps the weight off all off season, I'll be impressed and I think everyone else will be next season.



As I've said before, the draft will show what the Cowboys really think of his chances as a long term starter in the NFL. OT on the first day and they have reservations.

[AbeBeta]

Everyone has a right to their opinion. AND they have a right to post it here as long as it follows the posting guidelines.

Just because some posters may not be very tactful doesn't mean they are idiots. Given the fact that the O-line didn't play well down the stretch, I'd say they were justified in many of their comments. So let's tone down the rhetoric regarding "idiot fans" and such...


Though I agree that everyone has a right to their opinion, we also have a situation here where, unlike any other topic, we know that someone's dad is reading the comments. That by no means should mean that we can't be critical -- but I think it does mean that we should make every effort to be tactful and classy in our comments -- otherwise we just drag this group down to the level of extremeskins.

[gbrittain]

Though I agree that everyone has a right to their opinion, we also have a situation here where, unlike any other topic, we know that someone's dad is reading the comments. That by no means should mean that we can't be critical -- but I think it does mean that we should make every effort to be tactful and classy in our comments -- otherwise we just drag this group down to the level of extremeskins.

I agree!

[CaptainAmerica]

As for the negative Petiti posts that showed up on this board over the last part of the season, it comes down, imo, to simply showing respect for the father of one of our players who is kind enough to post on the board and give us a little insight from a player's family.

That doesn't mean the player is off-limits, but the comments and titles of the threads were in many cases disgraceful and showed a complete lack of class and respect for Rob's father, who the posters knew was possibly reading the board.

I would venture to say that most of those posters either don't have kids themselves or would take great offense if someone said something similar about one of their kids.

All that being said, I expect to see a veteran FA brought in to compete for the OT position and that will do nothing but improve our team just by increasing the level of competition. I also expect Rob to show marked improvement after a year in the college of "hard knocks" and an off-season in the weight room. I believe Rob can and will have a future with the Cowboys.

[Avenging Hayseed]

Heres something for the Pettiti bashers to consider. If Pettiti is as bad as some folks claim than what does that make Ethan Brooks? Hmmmmmmmmm. After all, Pettiti did keep Brooks glued to the bench thru all of it.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

One thing I'd like to respond on...

Everyone has a right to their opinion. AND they have a right to post it here as long as it follows the posting guidelines.

Just because some posters may not be very tactful doesn't mean they are idiots. Given the fact that the O-line didn't play well down the stretch, I'd say they were justified in many of their comments. So let's tone down the rhetoric regarding "idiot fans" and such...


JMO :cool:

Oh and I'm glad Rob is taking some time off to recover from the season. I can imagine his and alot of the other players bodies need that recovery time... Tho I did read that Julius was at a charity function in Chicago w/Thomas on Sun. Let's hope he didn't recover TOO much... :)

Point taken. I'll cut down on my "idiot fan" references.

However, I find it.......ironic that I'm being called out. Oh well, I guess.
Like I said, I found the posts vulgar and insulting. Especially to the father of one of the players who plays for our favorite team. He is also kind enough to share inside type info. I enjoyed Pittdawgs posts, and felt that because of other "passionate" fans trashing of his son. His posts tailed off dramatically, which was not cool by me and I wanted to be heard.

Hence the reason I stay away from here after this team loses, it gets ugly and often personal.

[AbeBeta]

Point taken. I'll cut down on my "idiot fan" references.


I don't think you should. I respect our mods but I don't think they should censor your comments. Me, I want to see the true north strong and free -- not watching his tongue.

And I think you are right - some folks are idiots and it is the role of intelligent fans to call them out.

[Clove]

I don't think Petitti has what it takes at this time. Maybe in a few years, and maybe after an entire year of conditioning/footwork/weight training he could be a great find.

But he's way in over his head at this point. No knock against him personally, ( I don't know him personally ) I think he has the proper attitude (mean a$$ is what you need to be ) and he definitely has the size, but his footwork/balance/ and strength is horrible at best.

Sit the kid for a year, and let him train and then he could be a stud in year 3.

[Billy Bullocks]

BINGO!!! Glad someone ELSE said it. Hats off to you Pittdawg for putting up with the crap that was posted.

A LOT of the fans here are idiots who post to see themselves in print. And they say some really nasty & ignorant things. Yet I'm guessing that none of them have ever gotten closer to a football game than their tv set, but somehow they're experts who can bash those who do put themselves on the line (players & coaches) every day.

Those are the same type of fans who end up harassing players' wives at games or throwing things at players. Peter King recently talked about Tony Dungy & how Dungy once mildly rebuked him (King) by pointing out that what King & others say affects families as well as the coach or player. Unfortunately, I think that's the aim of many sportswriters & fans on boards like this--they want to hurt (at least emotionally) the family members.

It's not nasty and ingnorant at all. We arent harrasing Pittdawg, people just said things that were on their mind.

Look, I give Rob the benefit of the doubt here, he's a 6th round rookie...still doesn't mean that yall need to make any excuses. This is the highest level of competition, and if you don't perform, expect fans to get angry. Regardless of weather or not someones dad is gonna hear it.

I dont think anyone personally attacked Mr. Pettiti or Rob, just critiqued his play

[Hiero]

It's not nasty and ingnorant at all. We arent harrasing Pittdawg, people just said things that were on their mind.

Look, I give Rob the benefit of the doubt here, he's a 6th round rookie...still doesn't mean that yall need to make any excuses. This is the highest level of competition, and if you don't perform, expect fans to get angry. Regardless of weather or not someones dad is gonna hear it.

I dont think anyone personally attacked Mr. Pettiti or Rob, just critiqued his play
I specifically remember someone calling Mr. Petitti a doodie head.

[FolsomCowboy]

I think we can all agree Rob had his struggles this year, the whole O-line did, but he played 16 games as a rookie and you know what, he now has a full year of starting experience which I bet is going to pay HUGE dividends next season.

[Maikeru-sama]

BINGO!!! Glad someone ELSE said it. Hats off to you Pittdawg for putting up with the crap that was posted.

A LOT of the fans here are idiots who post to see themselves in print. And they say some really nasty & ignorant things. Yet I'm guessing that none of them have ever gotten closer to a football game than their tv set, but somehow they're experts who can bash those who do put themselves on the line (players & coaches) every day.


Why not just come out and name names instead of just making generalizations. I dont remember anyone vicisously attacking the guy and I was one of the main guys defending him. Everything I saw negative about him was football related and was far from personal.


Those are the same type of fans who end up harassing players' wives at games or throwing things at players. Peter King recently talked about Tony Dungy & how Dungy once mildly rebuked him (King) by pointing out that what King & others say affects families as well as the coach or player. Unfortunately, I think that's the aim of many sportswriters & fans on boards like this--they want to hurt (at least emotionally) the family members.

Again, "those", "They", "Them". Start naming names, inquiring minds would like to know who you thought was attacking the guy on a personal level. I have to assume it was on a personal level because on a football level, I think everyone on the team is fair game.

KM you bring alot to the table and could go toe-to-toe with the best debaters and knowledgable fans on any Cowboys Board, but lately some of your posts have been "attacking" and "condescending", especially when it comes to Big Bill. You should know by now there are always going to be people who dont hold your point of view.

And for what it is worth, I doubt any of the negative rhetoric regarding Petitti came anywhere close to players like Troy Hambrick, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Some of the posts about those guys attacked their sisters, their mothers and even the players on a personal level.

- Mike G.

[Verdict]

Why not just come out and name names instead of just making generalizations. I dont remember anyone vicisously attacking the guy and I was one of the main guys defending him. Everything I saw negative about him was football related and was far from personal.



Again, "those", "They", "Them". Start naming names, inquiring minds would like to know who you thought was attacking the guy on a personal level. I have to assume it was on a personal level because on a football level, I think everyone on the team is fair game.

KM you bring alot to the table and could go toe-to-toe with the best debaters and knowledgable fans on any Cowboys Board, but lately some of your posts have been "attacking" and "condescending", especially when it comes to Big Bill. You should know by now there are always going to be people who dont hold your point of view.

And for what it is worth, I doubt any of the negative rhetoric regarding Petitti came anywhere close to players like Troy Hambrick, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Some of the posts about those guys attacked their sisters, their mothers and even the players on a personal level.

- Mike G.

No not QUINTSY!! BWaa HAAA

[jterrell]

i think rob and strenght coach jurasak(?sp) already have an off season program worked out for rob. rob has been up north for the last two weeks to relax and unwind from this past season. i do believe the excesive weight loss, along with the high ankle sprain during the detroit game, played a big part in his wearing down as the season progressed. that said, rob also knows alot of work needs to be done to improve his level of play and by no means thinks that one year has assured him a long career. he'll be working on his own with the supervision of jurasak until march when the official unofficial off season work outs begin.
Coach Joe was my strength coach at Texas Tech and I can tell you that Rob will get pushed. It was not at all uncommon for guys to be throwing up after workouts.

We'd run the stadium stairs and other ridiculously taxing things AFTER our weight workouts.

Bam Morris got into NFL shape following a program coach Joe put together.
He went from 285 to 235 in about 4 months and added 200 pounds to his squat. He did no upper body workouts at all because was trying to lose upper body weight to get a lower center of gravity.

[Double Trouble]

To those folks who were overly critcial of Rob, ask yourself one question......What were your expectations of a rookie 6th round OT, in the toughest division in the league?To not be the worst tackle in the league....which he was....

[JakeCamp12]

i really don't know. i really thought the speed of the game would dictate which side, but from what i've seen so far the left d-ends he's faced are just as quick as the right d-ends. we'll know better after this off season. one thing for sure, rob will play where ever to get on the field.

Can Rob kick??? :laugh2:

[Billy Bullocks]

I think we can all agree Rob had his struggles this year, the whole O-line did, but he played 16 games as a rookie and you know what, he now has a full year of starting experience which I bet is going to pay HUGE dividends next season.

I agree. The knock on Pettiti on draft day was his weight...thats why he slipped to us. I dont remember where it was, but wasn't he slotted to go as a late 1st day pick?

I think we may have something here..he looked more than halfway decent at times. A year of weight training and agility work can only help the kid.

If Pettiti pans out as a strater for us for years, then in the 6th he's a steal. You dont need 1st rounders on the O-Line. Also, with Flozell coming back, this line should already be alot better. If Rivera can rebound, we may only be a Center away from getting this line on track. Johnson simply isn't a good run blocker.

[Wolverine]

Pettiti has a real chance at surprising alota people. This off season he wont have to worry about droppin from 370 pounds to 325 like last year. He will be able to do his workouts are strength. I think he will surprise alota people. I hope the best for him.

[Nors]

Petittie slipped coming in at Sr Bowl at 370 and then went on to have ankle/foot injury that hampered him through Combine.

Those ills jmo resurfaced during season and hampered his play. I want Petitti competing with a proven Vet this camp. Play the best man.

We have to give Bledsoe half a chance back there.

[AbeBeta]

Pettiti has a real chance at surprising alota people. This off season he wont have to worry about droppin from 370 pounds to 325 like last year. He will be able to do his workouts are strength. I think he will surprise alota people. I hope the best for him.

I honestly think that he'll be much faster as well as stronger. As pops pointed out -- he's carrying a lot of weight in his stomach. you move that stuff around and he'll be more mobile.

[Shaun]

I think it's difficult to lose so much weight in such a short period of time and expect to increase physical condition. Now that Rob has the weight off, he will have the offseason to work exclusively on conditioning and footwork and whatever he else he might need to work on.

I think we'll see him be much better next season, especially if he continues the hard work he started last year.

[fortdick]

To not be the worst tackle in the league....which he was....

Now this was just a plain troll comment. Rob did real well. AN injured rookie started 16 games and never whined. Tucker was the liability on the line. Just check Bledsoe stats before and after Tucker got in the lineup. It wasn't Rob that let him down. It was the three year vet that can't remember the snap count!

[SDogo]

Why don't we just make it simple for everyone. Our whole OL sucked. They were horrid and not a single one of them deserved the money they were being paid.

[AbeBeta]

Why don't we just make it simple for everyone. Our whole OL sucked. They were horrid and not a single one of them deserved the money they were being paid.

the OL is a unit -- any one bad link to the chain makes for a bad unit. you want to replace the whole group then you are just totally over reacting.

[Dallas31]

Heres something for the Pettiti bashers to consider. If Pettiti is as bad as some folks claim than what does that make Ethan Brooks? Hmmmmmmmmm. After all, Pettiti did keep Brooks glued to the bench thru all of it.



Brooks was only on the roster like 3 weeks...

So you might want to use a different example...

[SDogo]

the OL is a unit -- any one bad link to the chain makes for a bad unit. you want to replace the whole group then you are just totally over reacting.

:rolleyes:

you just can't win around here. Who then was the bad link that made all our other "superstars" crumble?

[BigDFan5]

:rolleyes:

you just can't win around here. Who then was the bad link that made all our other "superstars" crumble?


I dunno maybe the guy on the right that gave up 13 sacks or the backup on the left that gave up 12? Think maybe that was a problem?

[SDogo]

I dunno maybe the guy on the right that gave up 13 sacks or the backup on the left that gave up 12? Think maybe that was a problem?

Ah, the secret is calling them "that guy right" and "that guy left"!

Well I thought "that guy middle" sucked really bad as well.

[xpistofer]

As for the negative Petiti posts that showed up on this board over the last part of the season, it comes down, imo, to simply showing respect for the father of one of our players who is kind enough to post on the board and give us a little insight from a player's family.

That doesn't mean the player is off-limits, but the comments and titles of the threads were in many cases disgraceful and showed a complete lack of class and respect for Rob's father, who the posters knew was possibly reading the board.

I would venture to say that most of those posters either don't have kids themselves or would take great offense if someone said something similar about one of their kids.

All that being said, I expect to see a veteran FA brought in to compete for the OT position and that will do nothing but improve our team just by increasing the level of competition. I also expect Rob to show marked improvement after a year in the college of "hard knocks" and an off-season in the weight room. I believe Rob can and will have a future with the Cowboys.

:bow: post of the day.
and thanks Pittdawg for taking the time to talk with us!

[Manster68]

Ah, the secret is calling them "that guy right" and "that guy left"!

Well I thought "that guy middle" sucked really bad as well.

That is pretty much what I have been preaching.

Johnson has been getting shoved back into Bledsoe so much, in that, he cannot step up in the pocket and avoid the outside rush.

That is part of the reason why Petitti and Tucker gave up so many sacks.

Another part is that wide receivers were not getting open.

Another part is that Bledsoe holds the ball too long.

However, another part is that Tucker and Petitti just got beat.

It is a team game folks.

[StanleySpadowski]

That is pretty much what I have been preaching.

Johnson has been getting shoved back into Bledsoe so much, in that, he cannot step up in the pocket and avoid the outside rush.

That is part of the reason why Petitti and Tucker gave up so many sacks.

Another part is that wide receivers were not getting open.

Another part is that Bledsoe holds the ball too long.

However, another part is that Tucker and Petitti just got beat.

It is a team game folks.

But you're incorrect. Parcells should take 95% of the blame for putting a never was stiff like Bledsoe behind a line that featured a rookie late rounder starting. 4% should go on Sparano. Either his protection scheme called for Larry Allen to stand still and hope that just maybe someone might run into him or Sparano should have benched the unproductive "pro bowler".

[Tio]

I don't think you should. I respect our mods but I don't think they should censor your comments. Me, I want to see the true north strong and free -- not watching his tongue.

And I think you are right - some folks are idiots and it is the role of intelligent fans to call them out.I have not slammed pettiti, I just have my doubts. To say it isn't ok to bash a player for his performance (i agree, the personal stuff is stupid) but ok to bash posters is simply idiotic. People can have their opinions and still not insult others, but it works both ways. Don't say to keep the personal crap outta here and then use it as well.

[DezBRomo9]

It seems like TT and RP are destined to be OG's. They cant handle speed rushers but can hold the POA against bigger guys. Plus we have older OG's anyways and youngguns who are getting PT. With Flo/draft pick and Draft pick/Columbo OT seems set, but Tucker and Pettiti could be the backups at OG with Peterman likely to get beaten out and Proctor being a practice squad guy.

IMO, BP was getting those guys PT and experience for their move to guard.

[notherbob]

Hey PittDawg -

Any chance of Rob getting some dancing lessons or something to increase his agility? He seems to be getting around OK now from his high ankle sprain and any kind of dance can help quicken a person's feet and improve balance.

I think Petitti played pretty well when you consider that high ankle sprains put a couple of other players on the bench for a while and Rob played through it about as well as I could hope for considering he's a rookie 6th rounder going up against much more experienced players and a few all pros.

Maybe we should limp a mile in his cleats before we criticize him too harshly.

[sago1]

Glad to welcome Pittdawg back especially in light of (what I consider) to be personal attacks made on his son. Pettiti did the best he could & certainly playing with a high ankle sprain goes beyond the call of duty but he did; more power to him.

I do expect Pettiti to improve a lot in his second season. He will have the whole offseason to improve his strength/conditioning and probably run some drills that will help his footwork. You better believe Parcells will keep a close eye on him but also on Marc Colombo (3-1/2 yrs removed from knee injury).

However, I also want the Cowboys to sign a good vet RT since I doubt Pettiti improves enough in his 2nd year to become a quality starter but he should become a solid backup. With a lot of hard work/determination who knows at what level he can play in 07 (when Adams is 32 & his cap hit might be even more of a factor then this year). BTW: I'm also rooting for Marc Colombo to comeback from his serious knee injury in mid 2002 but odds probably difficult.

[burmafrd]

It is amazing to me how some very ignorant people still want to blame Bledsoe for most of the sacks- when every one who has commented on the Cowboys- sportscasters, analysts, etc- have ALL said the line sucked.
But then those with an agenda are like Al Queeda- fanatics with no common sense.

[Tio]

But then those with an agenda are like Al Queeda- fanatics with no common sense.How long were you waiting to bust that line out?:lmao2:

[Avenging Hayseed]

Brooks was only on the roster like 3 weeks...

So you might want to use a different example... O.K , Marcus Price then....LOL. Besides that Pettiti also must have beaten out Tucker for the right tackle job because when the season started and before Flozell got hurt it was pettiti starting at Right tackle and NOT Tucker....

[Avenging Hayseed]

All I know Is Pettiti started EVERY game at Right tackle. Right out of the gate. Nobody supplanted him at any time. Either he MUST have some skill in his game or BP is an idiot for sticking with him. OR, he was BETTER than the other options we had throughout the year, Namely Tucker "pre flozell injury, Brooks, and Price....

[AbeBeta]

I have not slammed pettiti, I just have my doubts. To say it isn't ok to bash a player for his performance (i agree, the personal stuff is stupid) but ok to bash posters is simply idiotic. People can have their opinions and still not insult others, but it works both ways. Don't say to keep the personal crap outta here and then use it as well.

I'm not using "personal crap" here -- I think there are some posters here that are idiots. But unless I identify them directly then I'm not getting personal.

Of course, some opinions are just simply idiotic and need to be slammed. Without this sort of feedback, those posters who present weak or ill conceived ideas will not improve their game. So, in a way, calling someone's ideas idiotic is actually helping them.

[Tio]

I'm not using "personal crap" here -- I think there are some posters here that are idiots. But unless I identify them directly then I'm not getting personal.

Of course, some opinions are just simply idiotic and need to be slammed. Without this sort of feedback, those posters who present weak or ill conceived ideas will not improve their game. So, in a way, calling someone's ideas idiotic is actually helping them.Then, do you think having the opinion that Pettite isn't the answer is idiotic?

[burmafrd]

Pettiti must get stronger; must improve his footwork and agility in a major way; and must reduce his mistakes. IF he does all that he can be a quality RT in the NFL. BIG IF. BUT certainly do able. BP will make that call if he thinks he can do most of that soon. A FA tackle is probably in the cards no matter what. Just depends on how much BP wants to spend.

[AbeBeta]

Then, do you think having the opinion that Pettite isn't the answer is idiotic?

I think that opinion is premature. O-line guys take some time develop. We saw someone who was thrust into a position he wasn't ready for -- and one that few late round O-line guys would be ready for.

I do think it is idiotic to expect a 6th round pick to perform well as a starting RT - especially when he has a) had to lose tremendous amounts of weight, b) play with a range of injuries, and c) switch sides.

[Tio]

I think that opinion is premature. O-line guys take some time develop. We saw someone who was thrust into a position he wasn't ready for -- and one that few late round O-line guys would be ready for.

I do think it is idiotic to expect a 6th round pick to perform well as a starting RT - especially when he has a) had to lose tremendous amounts of weight, b) play with a range of injuries, and c) switch sides.Agreed on both points.

I just hope we (the FO) aren't banking on him improving and being the answer, thus not adressing the position.

[jbsg02]

First I want to thank you for posting here. And thanks to your Son for being a tough son of gun. I realize that he played to pain all year and he had to loose alot of weight before the season began. Losing weight takes alot out of a person and sometimes it can drain you Physically. I think that he held his own and that he should be proud of his accomplishments so far in his career. My question is How is Rob going to prepare this offseason? Is he working on his strenth? Does he stay at the Ranch and train? Or is this something players do on their own? Thanks

you know you just called pittdawg or pettitis mom a gun, right?

[BigDFan5]

Of course, some opinions are just simply idiotic and need to be slammed. Without this sort of feedback, those posters who present weak or ill conceived ideas will not improve their game. So, in a way, calling someone's ideas idiotic is actually helping them.


:hammer:

[Vinnie2u]

you know you just called pittdawg or pettitis mom a gun, right?


Pettiti's Mom has to be tough too. Imagine the fight at the dinner table for the last biscuit?

[FolsomCowboy]

I do think it is idiotic to expect a 6th round pick to perform well as a starting RT - especially when he has a) had to lose tremendous amounts of weight, b) play with a range of injuries, and c) switch sides.

I guess the head coach and grocery shopper Bill Parcells is an idiot cause he expected a 6th round pick to perform well at RT, if he didnt think otherwise he would have brought in some other tackles when Rogers wimped out in preseason.

[jterrell]

I guess the head coach and grocery shopper Bill Parcells is an idiot cause he expected a 6th round pick to perform well at RT, if he didnt think otherwise he would have brought in some other tackles when Rogers wimped out in preseason.
I believe BP thought he could offer Petitti some help and let him get experience.

When a guy is overweight sometimes the best thing to do is play him into shape as we have done with Larry Allen for like 6 years in a row.

When Flo got hurt we all of a sudden didnt have that strong left side we were riding. BP made a point of selling that left side to Drew Bledsoe when he talked him into coming here. We don't give guys enough credit sometimes but Flo is a monster. He can be beaten on occasion but he can also dominate guys regularly.

We did bring in guys for looksies and chats but Verba was the only real starting caliber guy and he was a big horses behind according to all reports. Generally by TC the starting caliber guys are on rosters.

BP obviously felt betrayed by Rogers, thus the nastiness and public comments. In hindsight perhaps allowing him to get surgery but not IR'ing him would have made more sense since we were paper thin at OT.

[burmafrd]

Being a ***** is probably the one unforgiveable crime you can commit in BP's eyes. To him ROgers is a total wimp; BP will not give him another chance.
ANd remember that there has been a lot of corroborating evidence from a lot of people that ROgers is not tough at all. He would have been no help this year no matter what. Probably no help ever.

[50cent]

I pray every night that Columbo finally can lift and get his leg back to full strength. I also fear that BP will see that progress and won't upgrade the position. I really woundn't mind seeing a starting line up of: Flo, LA, Bentlet, Rivera, and Columbo. Havin Peter,Pettiti, and Gurode as swing guys.

[AbeBeta]

I guess the head coach and grocery shopper Bill Parcells is an idiot cause he expected a 6th round pick to perform well at RT, if he didnt think otherwise he would have brought in some other tackles when Rogers wimped out in preseason.

he expected him to be a backup. it wasn't like we could get anyone else in after Rogers decided he didn't want to play. there weren't a ton of guys available at that point that we could get and plug in. what did you expect? that we had a ready-to-go backup at every position? that isn't reality -- there aren't that many guys in the league with that sort of skill level.