Too bad about the great Jake Delhomme

[kartr]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
:laugh2:

[Hailmary]

The guy a had a bad game...geez, cut him some slack.

[NovaCowboy]

The guy a had a bad game...geez, cut him some slack.

yeah

atleast he took his team to the NFC championship game.

We've been on vacation for almost a month now.

[Fan21]

Yeah, he really sucked leading his team to the Final 4! Geez, you wish he was the starting QB for the 'Boys!

[TEK2000]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
:laugh2:

Were you intentionally trying to contradict your point with everything you said in your post?

Basically the way I read it:

Jake Delhomme sucks because he couldn't win with a 4th string RB, on the road, with NUMEROUS injuries to key players, and facing a defense that matches up well with their depleted offense.

[Avenging Hayseed]

Kartr= Carter. Quincy apologist from wayyy back. That would explain some of the hate I guess. Hey Kartr, Psssssssssssssssst.....Quincy is NEVER coming back:lmao2: LMAO

[DWAREZ]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
:laugh2:


Echoes of a Skins Fan :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

[ghst187]

dude is a very good QB. Give him a running game and he's very capable of getting to the big dance. We didn't fare so well without a running game. Even Peyton woManning couldn't win AT HOME without Edge putting up a fight. Delhomme was young and eons better than anything we had at the time we had a chance to sign him. I'd probably still trade Bledsoe for him but that's not a knock on Drew.

[DLK150]

Delhomme just came down with a case of Manningitis, that's all.

[tyke1doe]

Were you intentionally trying to contradict your point with everything you said in your post?

Basically the way I read it:

Jake Delhomme sucks because he couldn't win with a 4th string RB, on the road, with NUMEROUS injuries to key players, and facing a defense that matches up well with their depleted offense.

Exactly, not to mention that the Panthers had NOTHING on offense outside of Steve Smith. And if Seattle didn't have a brain fart like Chicago, you put as many defenders around him and play man on everyone else and dare the other receivers to beat you.

Delhomme really had no choice. He was trying to force things and didn't have a running game to rely on and Seattle knew it.

[jay cee]

Kartr= Carter. Quincy apologist from wayyy back. That would explain some of the hate I guess. Hey Kartr, Psssssssssssssssst.....Quincy is NEVER coming back:lmao2: LMAO
You're the only guy bringing up Carter in this thread. As far as I can tell, Delhomme sucked in this game.

I still think that he is a good qb, but he sucked in this particular game. He did not have the necessary help to play well, and he struggled. I'm not surprised, I would have been surprised if he had played well, under these circumstances.

[Juke99]

Lordeeeeee...the guy came in with a passer rating of something like 120 in 6 playoff games...

Whatever...

[AbeBeta]

wow, in three years he's gotten to the SB and championship game.

yeah, he sucks. most teams are great after losing their top 3 RBs. especially in one of the toughest road stadiums in the league.

what a lame analysis.

[Avenging Hayseed]

You're the only guy bringing up Carter in this thread. As far as I can tell, Delhomme sucked in this game.

I still think that he is a good qb, but he sucked in this particular game. He did not have the necessary help to play well, and he struggled. I'm not surprised, I would have been surprised if he had played well, under these circumstances. I brought it up because I KNOW it to be true about Kartr. Thats also the reason he kept referencing Hambrick in his original post.

[Avenging Hayseed]

Other thing is look how many GREAT Q.B's of the past have played poorly or lost in a championship game. Delhomme has one bad game and now he's a Bum???...Too funny.

[Little Jr]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work.


What QB wouldnt be unmasked with no running game?

[AbeBeta]

What QB wouldnt be unmasked with no running game?

the one who lives in many fans' fantasy land. he's big and tall and has a strong arm. he can run and needs no O-line and can win with a totally mediocre starting cast. who is he? he is whoever we passed up at any time in the past.

[Little Jr]

the one who lives in many fans' fantasy land. he's big and tall and has a strong arm. he can run and needs no O-line and can win with a totally mediocre starting cast. who is he? he is whoever we passed up at any time in the past.


LMAO!!! Funny stuff.

[TEK2000]

LMAO!!! Funny stuff.

Funny... but, sadly, in some people's cases, its also TRUE!

[iceberg]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
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yea, all qb's down to their 5th string running back should be JUST fine...

[SkinsandTerps]

Disclaimer: I cant stand the Panthers or Delhomme.

Beside the running game Delhomme looked like garbage. Why are so many of you blind to that ?

He had a horrible game. Made poor reads, made poor decisions, threw poor passes.

Granted the running game was eliminated. Then you have to adjust. It wasnt like Goings went down in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

Jake played like a rookie.

[Kilyin]

Delhomme had a bad game. One thing I agree with kartr on, go Seahawks.

[Sarge]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
:laugh2:

Try looking at his playoff record and history.

[CrazyCowboy]

No running game made it tough on Jake!

[sago1]

We all should remember that w/o the tools around him no QB gets the job done alone even if their names are Manning, Delhomme, Brady, etc. Bledsoe played as well as possible behind an OL which all thru the regular season consistently failed to open up running lanes for Jones & Barber; and when we did get close enough for a FG, forget it. As a result, we are left home to wonder what might have been if we had an OL like Seattle & a real FG kicker.

[kingwhicker]

ANY QB would like crap without protection- not all QBs can sit back there all day like Roethlisberger and order a pizza because he has so much time.

[TruBlueCowboy]

That damn Delhomme! Dude has 8 straight playoff games with a QB rating of near 100 or greater, and now he has to go and have a lousy game against a great defense! How dare he!

[Doomsday101]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
:laugh2:

So based on 1 game Delhomme is now a bad QB? Get a life. This post is nothing but another dumb ars attempt to try to shine the light on your pot head QB. You truly take the cake.

[DoomsDayD]

I think most of the people here would have given just about anything to make it to the championship game this year. And the last time i looked the Cowboy players were shining there putters/irons and hitting the driving range. Lets not criticize a QB and or team unless with have something to back it up with. Big deal when i read we held Seattle to this,we played Caroline TOUGH...maybe the league will give us a pity trophy for the team that coulda/shoulda but CANT!!

[Ashwynn]

you aint even worth it this morning Kartr.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Too bad we missed on getting Jake...I just love those boyish looks and ruffled hair. :eek::p:

[trickblue]

Delhomme just came down with a case of Manningitis, that's all.

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[superpunk]

Yeah, he really sucked leading his team to the Final 4! Geez, you wish he was the starting QB for the 'Boys!

No. I wish Steve Smith was WR for the Cowboys. Delhomme threw a bunch of picks. This while playing behind the line that gave up the 7th least sacks in the league, with the most dangerous WR in the league. In terms of INTs per ATTEMPT, he was only better than Aaron Brooks, and Brett Favre. Pretty elite company, huh?

[Doomsday101]

No. I wish Steve Smith was WR for the Cowboys. Delhomme threw a bunch of picks. This while playing behind the line that gave up the 7th least sacks in the league, with the most dangerous WR in the league. In terms of INTs per ATTEMPT, he was only better than Aaron Brooks, and Brett Favre. Pretty elite company, huh?

Having your starting 3 RB go down played a part in Carolina losing. Goings is a nice change of pace RB but he is not going to force a defense to key on him as is the case with Foster and or Davis.

[superpunk]

Having your starting 3 RB go down played a part in Carolina losing. Goings is a nice change of pace RB but he is not going to force a defense to key on him as is the case with Foster and or Davis.

That might have had a small part in it. Their run game was not very productive at any point during the season, so I don't fully buy that excuse. What I saw alot of yesterday, was a team taking Steve Smith away, and Delhomme, when the game was put on his shoulders, folding up and making terrible decisions. Throwing into quadruple coverage, underthrowing an out when there were three defenders around the recivever. I like Jake, don't get me wrong, but to think he's any better than what we have here already, is foolish.

[Doomsday101]

That might have had a small part in it. Their run game was not very productive at any point during the season, so I don't fully buy that excuse. What I saw alot of yesterday, was a team taking Steve Smith away, and Delhomme, when the game was put on his shoulders, folding up and making terrible decisions. Throwing into quadruple coverage, underthrowing an out when there were three defenders around the recivever. I like Jake, don't get me wrong, but to think he's any better than what we have here already, is foolish.

Not saying he is any better or worse just saying being down to your 3rd string RB is more than a small event. Sea did not have to concern themselfs with Going thus they could afford to put 2 and 3 guys on Steve Smith and man up on the others.

[superpunk]

Not saying he is any better or worse just saying being down to your 3rd string RB is more than a small event. Sea did not have to concern themselfs with Going thus they could afford to put 2 and 3 guys on Steve Smith and man up on the others.

Noone had to concern themselves with any of the other RBs, either. That's all I'm saying. Delhomme throwing two quick picks putting his team down early had alot to do with their ineffectiveness, they couldn't run, they were in comeback mode immediately with his mistakes.

[Jarv]

No. I wish Steve Smith was WR for the Cowboys. Delhomme threw a bunch of picks. This while playing behind the line that gave up the 7th least sacks in the league, with the most dangerous WR in the league. In terms of INTs per ATTEMPT, he was only better than Aaron Brooks, and Brett Favre. Pretty elite company, huh?


Maybe one of the reasons the line was 7th least sacks in the league, was because Jake can aviod the rush. Do you think Bledsoe would have been 7th least sacks in the league in Carolina ?

I don't.

[superpunk]

Maybe one of the reasons the line was 7th least sacks in the league, was because Jake can aviod the rush. Do you think Bledsoe would have been 7th least sacks in the league in Carolina ?

I don't.

No, but I think he would have done a hell of a lot better if the Oline was able to generate something even remotely resembling a "pocket." Or, if any time he saw single coverage on Steve Smith, he could just chuck the ball in his direction. Or, half their pass plays were WR screens. Yeah, I think Bledsoe would have done pretty damn good.

[Jarv]

No.

Okay, so we agree...lol

[DLCassidy]

It's truly amazing the ways Kartr can find to pimp that pot head bum of his.

[kartr]

dude is a very good QB. Give him a running game and he's very capable of getting to the big dance. We didn't fare so well without a running game. Even Peyton woManning couldn't win AT HOME without Edge putting up a fight. Delhomme was young and eons better than anything we had at the time we had a chance to sign him. I'd probably still trade Bledsoe for him but that's not a knock on Drew.

We had no running game in 2003, yet made the playoffs, but we lost badly on the road to a team that had a real running game and our qb was much less experienced than Delhomme is now. That's the point. People act is if Delhomme is so good he can get it done without help, yet didn't cut our qb any slack for getting us to the playoffs without a running back. Delhomme had two good running backs and two pro bowl calibre receivers, one of which is now considered one of the best in the game. That proves that us signing Delhomme in 2003 wouldn't have helped us get any further. Yesterday, he had same kind of supporting cast that Carter had in the playoffs two years ago. Plus, Carter only had one int, and it came with five minutes to go in the game when we were trailing by 19 points. Carter's int had little impact on that game, but Delhomme's ints were game changers.

[kartr]

Lordeeeeee...the guy came in with a passer rating of something like 120 in 6 playoff games...

Whatever...

Yeah and he had a good supporting cast in those games too. Every body knows that Delhomme needs Steve Smith more than Smith needs him.

[kartr]

What QB wouldnt be unmasked with no running game?

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

[Jarv]

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

I was at that game. He also threw a couple of picks. We were also shutout.

[superpunk]

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

LMAO!!!! Against the Pats! You're citing a game in which we got shut out as supporting evidence for your boy! A game in which QC threw three INTs!!!!


:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:: lmao2::lmao2:

[kartr]

Disclaimer: I cant stand the Panthers or Delhomme.

Beside the running game Delhomme looked like garbage. Why are so many of you blind to that ?

He had a horrible game. Made poor reads, made poor decisions, threw poor passes.

Granted the running game was eliminated. Then you have to adjust. It wasnt like Goings went down in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

Jake played like a rookie.

Exactly, and there's no excuse for a three year starter playing that poorly, but since he's not Carter, they have all the compassion and understanding in the world. They're also mad at Joe Gibbs for drafting Jason Campbell. They thinks he's lousy and that poor Patrick Ramsey is getting a raw deal. They think that Campbell will be no better than Carter, yet Carter's short career has been much better than Ramsey's. In fact, as soon as Gibbs' drafted Campbell, they made cracks such as Campbell = Carter. I wonder what they're basing that on.:wink2:

[Doomsday101]

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

Supporting cast or not Carter was a backup at best and once he blew his second chance in NY that pretty much ended any trust people would have in him. So beat that dead high horse all you want but no one is willing to even touch Carter.

[CaptainAmerica]

This is a ridiculous thread. Jake Delhomme is a very good QB. I wouldn't say an all-time great, of course, but a very good NFL QB.

In '72 and '73 Staubach lost 2 straight NFC championship games and we were never in either game. The Skins beat us 26-3 and the next year the Vikings beat us 27-10. Staubach did not play well in either game. That has nothing to do with Roger being a great QB.

Some days the other team is just better than your team and some days QBs just don't play as well as they have on other days.

[kartr]

We all should remember that w/o the tools around him no QB gets the job done alone even if their names are Manning, Delhomme, Brady, etc. Bledsoe played as well as possible behind an OL which all thru the regular season consistently failed to open up running lanes for Jones & Barber; and when we did get close enough for a FG, forget it. As a result, we are left home to wonder what might have been if we had an OL like Seattle & a real FG kicker.

Everywhere Bledsoe goes, his OL sucks, HMMMM!

[Doomsday101]

This is a ridiculous thread. Jake Delhomme is a very good QB. I wouldn't say an all-time great, of course, but a very good NFL QB.

In '72 and '73 Staubach lost 2 straight NFC championship games and we were never in either game. The Skins beat us 26-3 and the next year the Vikings beat us 27-10. Staubach did not play well in either game. That has nothing to do with Roger being a great QB.

Some days the other team is just better than your team and some days QBs just don't play as well as they have on other days.

Totally agree with you. This notion that Delhomme is some poor QB because of 1 game is pretty far reach being made my Mr disgrutled "I want my drug store cowboy back" karter

[kingwhicker]

In fact, as soon as Gibbs' drafted Campbell, they made cracks such as Campbell = Carter. I wonder what they're basing that on.:wink2:

Because he's black. :rolleyes:

[kingwhicker]

This is a ridiculous thread. Jake Delhomme is a very good QB. I wouldn't say an all-time great, of course, but a very good NFL QB.

In '72 and '73 Staubach lost 2 straight NFC championship games and we were never in either game. The Skins beat us 26-3 and the next year the Vikings beat us 27-10. Staubach did not play well in either game. That has nothing to do with Roger being a great QB.

Some days the other team is just better than your team and some days QBs just don't play as well as they have on other days.

As far as the NFC goes, he is definitely in the top three.

[kartr]

So based on 1 game Delhomme is now a bad QB? Get a life. This post is nothing but another dumb ars attempt to try to shine the light on your pot head QB. You truly take the cake.

And all the McNabb bashing for getting to the NFC title game four straight years, including a super bowl appearance was warranted. McNabb hasn't had nearly the supporting cast on offense that Delhomme has had the last four years, yet many of you piled on him last year with a fury, despite the fact that he threw for over three hundred yards and 3 tds against the same defense that the great Peyton Manning could only muster 3 points against. Where was your compassion and understanding for McNabb last year?

[Maikeru-sama]

I thought the Game Planning for the Panthers was extremely poor and they really saw Smith being doubled and trippled teamed as a negative when some pretty good play callers see it as a positive.

When a team is going to put two and three men on one guy, you really have to put pressure on your Offensive Coordinator to come up with innovative schemes that allows your other players to be successful as if two or three guys are being devoted to one resource, somebody is getting mono-y-mono coverage and in some cases sombody like a Full Back or Running Back is not going to be covered at all.

Jake Delhomme played a very poor game but the offensive play calling and the number of horses he had available were extremely limited.

Remember, when judging if a guy can play or not, you have to look at the entire Resume' and body of work and not just 1 game.

- Mike G.

[Maikeru-sama]

And all the McNabb bashing for getting to the NFC title game four straight years


I agree with that.

I think me and Hostile have been the only ones that I have seen that are on record as rating this guy high and would love to have him wearing the star.

Mcnabb > Delhomme anyway....

- Mike G.

[kartr]

Maybe one of the reasons the line was 7th least sacks in the league, was because Jake can aviod the rush. Do you think Bledsoe would have been 7th least sacks in the league in Carolina ?

I don't.

Right, if Bledsoe played for Carolina, the OL would suck too and the same if he played for Seattle or Pittsburgh.

[Doomsday101]

And all the McNabb bashing for getting to the NFC title game four straight years, including a super bowl appearance was warranted. McNabb hasn't had nearly the supporting cast on offense that Delhomme has had the last four years, yet many of you piled on him last year with a fury, despite the fact that he threw for over three hundred yards and 3 tds against the same defense that the great Peyton Manning could only muster 3 points against. Where was your compassion and understanding for McNabb last year?

I don't have a problem with McNabb, I think he has great leadership ability and felt he was undermined by TO and I think McNabb enters this next season trying to re-establish his leadership role which is something that he should not have to do but will have to none the less. Seeing how he is the Philly starting QB I doubt you will find many Cowboy fans who have a deep love for him either. You appear more interested in a QB being black than anything else. I could careless the color of the skin of the QB but I do expect a QB what ever race to be able to throw the ball accurately and be able to work from a pocket, if he is mobile great but 1st and foremost I want a guy who can deliver the ball and get all his weapons involved in the game.

[kartr]

I was at that game. He also threw a couple of picks. We were also shutout.

That's true, but he was just in his first full year as a starter and going up against a secondary that allowed only about 10-12 td passes and had 29 picks. Their secondary made every qb look bad that year. Manning threw 3 ints in the AFC championship against them.

[Mash]

Hahahaha....

I just love this.....keep up the fight Kartr....

I actually agree with alot you say about Carter.....but the past is the past....

Its not hard to see posters have their agenda's.....hey...I had mine....I hated Bill Bates and Chad Hennings....I thought they were terriable players....Some here loved them. Bates was a great special team player....but that was it.
Some here even thought he was a ring of honour cadidate...go figure

Anyways....Carter was a bad player because....well....he was bad...it wasn't his OL....Hambone at RB.....scrub WR's who decided to run wrong routes.....it was because he was bad.....so bad that he had a winning record with the Cowboys and not once running the same system in consecative years.....oh...but it was all the defense.....remember that

But again..he was so bad....that....he couldn't even take a snap....yet Vinny and Drew...continued to have problems taking snaps....ah...that cruel little Carter....it was him that started it.....

See.....without a Wr....a OL that can protect.....a RB worthy of the star....then how can it be the QB's fault?.......oh...unless of course its QC....got it Kartr.....understand the logic?

QC=bad.....

All NFL QB's= how good the supporting cast is.......especially protection

Its quite simple......

or we can use Spags logic

if he is good....why is he available?

[kartr]

LMAO!!!! Against the Pats! You're citing a game in which we got shut out as supporting evidence for your boy! A game in which QC threw three INTs!!!!


:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:: lmao2::lmao2:

Yes, his qb rating was around 100 at the half, with the offensive line committing about 10 penalties in that game and Hambrick running for 20 yards and Galloway out injured. The first pick was Witten's fault cause he had both hands on the ball and the last pick came with 12 seconds left in the game so it didn't matter. If he had had just a little bit help, we wouldn't have been shut out. Also both Witten and Bryant had drops on third and longs in Patriot territory that would have been first downs.

[TruBlueCowboy]

2003 called. It wants its thread back. :)

[kartr]

Supporting cast or not Carter was a backup at best and once he blew his second chance in NY that pretty much ended any trust people would have in him. So beat that dead high horse all you want but no one is willing to even touch Carter.

That's your biased opinion. Carter has had a better career than David Carr and Joey Harrington who I believe are both starters in the league. He's also better than anything Chicago has. If they had signed him, they might have had a chance with Carolina, you see, Carter is 2-1 against them. In those 3 games he's thrown for 633 yards(ave = 211) and 4td passes against 2 ints. Not too shabby against a top notch defense, and oh, 1 td rushing. Those don't sound like backup numbers to me.

[BrAinPaiNt]

2003 called. It wants its thread back. :)

:laugh2::bow:

[kartr]

Totally agree with you. This notion that Delhomme is some poor QB because of 1 game is pretty far reach being made my Mr disgrutled "I want my drug store cowboy back" karter

We're 15-17 without him and we were 16-15 with him and he had less experience than Drew and a much lesser supporting cast against tougher competition (the AFC East and NFC South). Coincidence. I don't think so.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's your biased opinion. Carter has had a better career than David Carr and Joey Harrington who I believe are both starters in the league. He's also better than anything Chicago has. If they had signed him, they might have had a chance with Carolina, you see, Carter is 2-1 against them. In those 3 games he's thrown for 633 yards(ave = 211) and 4td passes against 2 ints. Not too shabby against a top notch defense, and oh, 1 td rushing. Those don't sound like backup numbers to me.

I know...Carter has been so good that he has sat out of the NFL this whole past season.

:eek:

[Doomsday101]

That's your biased opinion. Carter has had a better career than David Carr and Joey Harrington who I believe are both starters in the league. He's also better than anything Chicago has. If they had signed him, they might have had a chance with Carolina, you see, Carter is 2-1 against them. In those 3 games he's thrown for 633 yards(ave = 211) and 4td passes against 2 ints. Not too shabby against a top notch defense, and oh, 1 td rushing. Those don't sound like backup numbers to me.

If a team can't trust a player they will not stick with him. NFL teams must have something against him as well which is why he is no longer in the league. I don't think they are being biased I think they do not want to put the most important position on offense in the hands of a person they can't trust. Had Chicago or any team signed Carter they would have had to wait 4 weeks while he served his suspension knowing damn well that another failed test would result in a year long suspension and no team is going to waste time and money on a QB like that.

[Jarv]

That's your biased opinion. Carter has had a better career than David Carr and Joey Harrington who I believe are both starters in the league. He's also better than anything Chicago has. If they had signed him, they might have had a chance with Carolina, you see, Carter is 2-1 against them. In those 3 games he's thrown for 633 yards(ave = 211) and 4td passes against 2 ints. Not too shabby against a top notch defense, and oh, 1 td rushing. Those don't sound like backup numbers to me.

FYI Kartr,

I was a big QC fan. Liked him over Hutch, wanted him over Vinny in 2004. thought he played well for the Jets too !

Not sure what happened with QC here in the Summer of 2004, thought it was worked out this year, but I did not hear the official results.

I lost respect for QC when he missed the playoffs with the Jets, some said he was in rehab at the time, not sure how accurate those reports were. Then I heard his interview was terrible this year in Dallas and he was some 30 lbs overweight ? I read the transcripts from the interveiw, didn't hear it myself.

What are your thoughts now on him Kartr ? think he has a chance to come back ? Is he training ? Since you are his official cheerleader here thought you might know more about his future.

[Doomsday101]

We're 15-17 without him and we were 16-15 with him and he had less experience than Drew and a much lesser supporting cast against tougher competition (the AFC East and NFC South). Coincidence. I don't think so.

Teams win game!!! Carter never went out and single handly won Jack ****. I look at his individual performace and what I saw I did not like at all. I felt he lacked leadership and I felt he was a backup at best that after pulling for him for 3 years I had enough of him and was damn glad when we cut him and moved on. You really have to be the joke of this site with all your Carter non-sense every single time you post here it is the same old BS about Carter.

[kartr]

I don't have a problem with McNabb, I think he has great leadership ability and felt he was undermined by TO and I think McNabb enters this next season trying to re-establish his leadership role which is something that he should not have to do but will have to none the less. Seeing how he is the Philly starting QB I doubt you will find many Cowboy fans who have a deep love for him either. You appear more interested in a QB being black than anything else. I could careless the color of the skin of the QB but I do expect a QB what ever race to be able to throw the ball accurately and be able to work from a pocket, if he is mobile great but 1st and foremost I want a guy who can deliver the ball and get all his weapons involved in the game.

My point is that whether the qb is Carter or McNabb or Vick or Brooks or Culpepper, they all get based on this board regularly. Some people go out of their way to bring up these guys names in a negative fashion every chance they get, while praising other qb's who are not on this team. What do those qb's have in common.
Also, as soon as Gibbs drafted Jason Campbell, people started bashing him and as soon as Texas beat USC, people started bashing Vince Young. Again, what do all these players have in common besides being qb's.

[BrAinPaiNt]

My point is that whether the qb is Carter or McNabb or Vick or Brooks or Culpepper, they all get based on this board regularly. Some people go out of their way to bring up these guys names in a negative fashion every chance they get, while praising other qb's who are not on this team. What do those qb's have in common.
Also, as soon as Gibbs drafted Jason Campbell, people started bashing him and as soon as Texas beat USC, people started bashing Vince Young. Again, what do all these players have in common besides being qb's.

What...No love for Leftwich...which many on the board wanted when we drafted Newman?

[Doomsday101]

My point is that whether the qb is Carter or McNabb or Vick or Brooks or Culpepper, they all get based on this board regularly. Some people go out of their way to bring up these guys names in a negative fashion every chance they get, while praising other qb's who are not on this team. What do those qb's have in common.
Also, as soon as Gibbs drafted Jason Campbell, people started bashing him and as soon as Texas beat USC, people started bashing Vince Young. Again, what do all these players have in common besides being qb's.

And you do your share of bashing as well now don't you? It appears your the one trying to turn this into a race issue. I think if you ask many around here about McNair you would see a lot of positive remarks. As for McNabb I think he is one of the top QB's in the league. Other guys like Vick sorry not impressed with his ability at QB but I do think he is the best pure athlete in the NFL but he has not show much as a QB. Lastly Vince Young I have been a big fan of his at UT and I wish he would stay the extra year and would say the same for any young QB.

[iceberg]

Exactly, and there's no excuse for a three year starter playing that poorly, but since he's not Carter, they have all the compassion and understanding in the world. They're also mad at Joe Gibbs for drafting Jason Campbell. They thinks he's lousy and that poor Patrick Ramsey is getting a raw deal. They think that Campbell will be no better than Carter, yet Carter's short career has been much better than Ramsey's. In fact, as soon as Gibbs' drafted Campbell, they made cracks such as Campbell = Carter. I wonder what they're basing that on.:wink2:

<singing> someone's bitter </singing>

[iceberg]

My point is that whether the qb is Carter or McNabb or Vick or Brooks or Culpepper, they all get based on this board regularly. Some people go out of their way to bring up these guys names in a negative fashion every chance they get, while praising other qb's who are not on this team. What do those qb's have in common.
Also, as soon as Gibbs drafted Jason Campbell, people started bashing him and as soon as Texas beat USC, people started bashing Vince Young. Again, what do all these players have in common besides being qb's.

your "manlove" for them?

you sure you're not really blackstone?

1. you could put mother theresa on the skins and people would bash her. dead and all.
2. gee - someone who won it all on their shoulders should be free of critisizm and animosity? it goes with life dude - FOR US ALL.

i really freaking hate people who think their problems are someone elses fault and not just a fault of life.

stoener got bashed. hutch still gets bashed. hensen get bashed lately? HELL YEA!!! and jake d - isn't this thread bashing the ever loving hell out of him????? how come your analysis only works ONE WAY? oh, cause then you'd have to just get through life w/o excuses like the rest of us, i suppose.

how come your fav qb's issues are race related (or strongly hinted to it) but yet when other qb's are bashed it's part of the game? if all you got here is the race card, i'd fold. takes more than that to win in life.

[iceberg]

What...No love for Leftwich...which many on the board wanted when we drafted Newman?

he didn't fit the bashing agenda so therefor he was excused to be hopefully overlooked.

[superpunk]

your "manlove" for them?

you sure you're not really blackstone?

1. you could put mother theresa on the skins and people would bash her. dead and all.
2. gee - someone who won it all on their shoulders should be free of critisizm and animosity? it goes with life dude - FOR US ALL.

i really freaking hate people who think their problems are someone elses fault and not just a fault of life.

stoener got bashed. hutch still gets bashed. hensen get bashed lately? HELL YEA!!! and jake d - isn't this thread bashing the ever loving hell out of him????? how come your analysis only works ONE WAY? oh, cause then you'd have to just get through life w/o excuses like the rest of us, i suppose.

how come your fav qb's issues are race related (or strongly hinted to it) but yet when other qb's are bashed it's part of the game? if all you got here is the race card, i'd fold. takes more than that to win in life.

I've got to hand it to you, ice. You knocked that one.........right out of the park!!!!!!

[tyke1doe]

Noone had to concern themselves with any of the other RBs, either. That's all I'm saying. Delhomme throwing two quick picks putting his team down early had alot to do with their ineffectiveness, they couldn't run, they were in comeback mode immediately with his mistakes.

Isn't that what Troy Aikman did during the Championship loss against the 49ers?

<ducking for cover>

[iceberg]

I've got to hand it to you, ice. You knocked that one.........right out of the park!!!!!!

you know, i think we all realize there are times in life race works against us. you'd be hard pressed to deny the black race has gotten far more than their share. but to invent the reasons and tie it to race simply erodes the valid racial issues to a vast majority of us. it's like the boy who cried wolf.

lose the crutches and walk like the rest of us, kartr.

[superpunk]

Isn't that what Troy Aikman did during the Championship loss against the 49ers?

<ducking for cover>

Tough for me to remember that game too well, but yeah, he did. And he almost brought us back, too. Delhomme never looked close.

[hmcorp]

jakes getting old. he is done. he had his chance.

he didnt have that great of a season. they won because of a third ranked defense and steve smith destroying other teams. jake is ok. I would put him up there with brad johnson or dante culpepper. throw it up for guys and watch them get the ball.

musin muhammed was so good for him. but that guy has problems. he is smart though. just not any better than bledsoe was this year or eli. he just had a better team on the defensive side than dallas or the giants did.

[superpunk]

you know, i think we all realize there are times in life race works against us. you'd be hard pressed to deny the black race has gotten far more than their share. but to invent the reasons and tie it to race simply erodes the valid racial issues to a vast majority of us. it's like the boy who cried wolf.

lose the crutches and walk like the rest of us, kartr.

I hate Emmitt Smith.

;)

[kartr]

FYI Kartr,

I was a big QC fan. Liked him over Hutch, wanted him over Vinny in 2004. thought he played well for the Jets too !

Not sure what happened with QC here in the Summer of 2004, thought it was worked out this year, but I did not hear the official results.

I lost respect for QC when he missed the playoffs with the Jets, some said he was in rehab at the time, not sure how accurate those reports were. Then I heard his interview was terrible this year in Dallas and he was some 30 lbs overweight ? I read the transcripts from the interveiw, didn't hear it myself.

What are your thoughts now on him Kartr ? think he has a chance to come back ? Is he training ? Since you are his official cheerleader here thought you might know more about his future.

I don't where he is or what he's doing. I heard that he had a terrible interview, but the people who say that never wanted him in the first place, so their opinion has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Since we heard about Michael Irvin, Ricky Williams,Claude Wrotten,etc, don't you think if he were in that bad of shape, we'd have heard something about him, a drug arrest, another rehab, something. It's like he's vanished off the face of the earth. When it comes to drugs, no news is good news when it comes to athletes.

[iceberg]

I don't where he is or what he's doing. I heard that he had a terrible interview, but the people who say that never wanted him in the first place, so their opinion has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Since we heard about Michael Irvin, Ricky Williams,Claude Wrotten,etc, don't you think if he were in that bad of shape, we'd have heard something about him, a drug arrest, another rehab, something. It's like he's vanished off the face of the earth. When it comes to drugs, no news is good news when it comes to athletes.

1) you're assuming all people who said he had a terrible interview hated carter, therefor never wanted him here. that's already wrong. i hoped carter would pull it through and compete for the job. i also hoped the same for hutch. the only person i wish would get off the team would be bledsoe. damn my racist tendencies.

2) if carter could play he'd be on a team. he's not. and since there are more than a few black players in the league, it's *probably* not race related, but performance.

3) he had a terrible interview.

too many teams need a qb to leave one that can play out.

[kartr]

your "manlove" for them?

you sure you're not really blackstone?

1. you could put mother theresa on the skins and people would bash her. dead and all.
2. gee - someone who won it all on their shoulders should be free of critisizm and animosity? it goes with life dude - FOR US ALL.

i really freaking hate people who think their problems are someone elses fault and not just a fault of life.

stoener got bashed. hutch still gets bashed. hensen get bashed lately? HELL YEA!!! and jake d - isn't this thread bashing the ever loving hell out of him????? how come your analysis only works ONE WAY? oh, cause then you'd have to just get through life w/o excuses like the rest of us, i suppose.

how come your fav qb's issues are race related (or strongly hinted to it) but yet when other qb's are bashed it's part of the game? if all you got here is the race card, i'd fold. takes more than that to win in life.

Carter has a winning record as a NFL qb, yet you put him in the same category as qb's who have won nothing. Henson can't even beat out Romo. There was never any question that Carter would beat out Hutch, except in Jerry Jones mind or the mediots. Logically, there is no way that Hutch or Henson could ever beat out Carter who had played 3 consecutive years of football before coming to Dallas. I do not play the race card, but I believe that others do when they trash 'running qb's. I believe it is a veiled reference because I believe that Steve Young and Elway and Tarkington were runners too. Only in the last few years since McNabb,Carter,Culpepper have had success did people seem to prefer 'pocket passers' as examples of 'quarter back perfection'. No one seemed to mind David Woodley or Joe Kapp or Bobby Douglas playing in the NFL. No one seemed to mind that Kenny Stabler threw more ints than tds in his career or that Bradshaw threw as many ints as tds in his career.

It seems that 'running qb's' having any success upsets many on this board and in the media. Some said that Henson would supplant Carter in just one year without ever seeing him play. He hasn't been able to supplant Romo in 2 years. There are a few who seem to support McNabb or Vince Young, but there are far too many who seem to hate them. My posting is not intended to incite as much as it is to educate the 'anti-runners' contingent they are being watched. An educated man like Rush Limbaugh has already given credence to the fact that there are still many who cling to antiquated ideals about race and I feel that's intolerable. I would like to joyfully read the postings here and not have to feel that I walked in on a clan rally. For those of you who don't have those biased views, feel free to jump on those who continue bash the McNabbs,Culpeppers,etc. Carter was a Cowboy qb and did the best that he could and since we had some success with, let's stop the nonsense that he was never any good at all and wish him the best. Don't speak as if he was the worst we ever had cause he wasn't.

There is a contingent here that crucifies anyone who says anything positive about him and applaudes anyone who criticizes him and that says it all. If you can bash him, then don't criticize me for speaking up for him. Fair is fair. Once again, I came to this board hoping to converse football with fellow Cowboy fans, but often feel that many here only want a qb who seems to fit their stereotypical image of what a qb is.

[kartr]

he didn't fit the bashing agenda so therefor he was excused to be hopefully overlooked.

I remember a poster here who didn't think Carter's running ability was a positive feature of playing qb, yet said he didn't want Leftwich cause he wasn't mobile enough. That bit of illogic told me that the real reason he didn't want Carter or Leftwich had nothing to do mobility.

[gbrittain]

Carter has a winning record as a NFL qb, yet you put him in the same category as qb's who have won nothing. Henson can't even beat out Romo. There was never any question that Carter would beat out Hutch, except in Jerry Jones mind or the mediots. Logically, there is no way that Hutch or Henson could ever beat out Carter who had played 3 consecutive years of football before coming to Dallas. I do not play the race card, but I believe that others do when they trash 'running qb's. I believe it is a veiled reference because I believe that Steve Young and Elway and Tarkington were runners too. Only in the last few years since McNabb,Carter,Culpepper have had success did people seem to prefer 'pocket passers' as examples of 'quarter back perfection'. No one seemed to mind David Woodley or Joe Kapp or Bobby Douglas playing in the NFL. No one seemed to mind that Kenny Stabler threw more ints than tds in his career or that Bradshaw threw as many ints as tds in his career.

It seems that 'running qb's' having any success upsets many on this board and in the media. Some said that Henson would supplant Carter in just one year without ever seeing him play. He hasn't been able to supplant Romo in 2 years. There are a few who seem to support McNabb or Vince Young, but there are far too many who seem to hate them. My posting is not intended to incite as much as it is to educate the 'anti-runners' contingent they are being watched. An educated man like Rush Limbaugh has already given credence to the fact that there are still many who cling to antiquated ideals about race and I feel that's intolerable. I would like to joyfully read the postings here and not have to feel that I walked in on a clan rally. For those of you who don't have those biased views, feel free to jump on those who continue bash the McNabbs,Culpeppers,etc. Carter was a Cowboy qb and did the best that he could and since we had some success with, let's stop the nonsense that he was never any good at all and wish him the best. Don't speak as if he was the worst we ever had cause he wasn't.

There is a contingent here that crucifies anyone who says anything positive about him and applaudes anyone who criticizes him and that says it all. If you can bash him, then don't criticize me for speaking up for him. Fair is fair. Once again, I came to this board hoping to converse football with fellow Cowboy fans, but often feel that many here only want a qb who seems to fit their stereotypical image of what a qb is.

I can not stand Q Car as a player.

I like Donovan McNabb, but not the most accurate but still very very good.

I love Daunte Culpepper. Thought he was #1 or #2 QB in the league until this year.

I am fascinated by the prospects of Vince Young and even Omar Jacobs but to a smaller degree.

I am not the biggest fan of Drew Bledsoe either.

What does that make me?

[kartr]

you know, i think we all realize there are times in life race works against us. you'd be hard pressed to deny the black race has gotten far more than their share. but to invent the reasons and tie it to race simply erodes the valid racial issues to a vast majority of us. it's like the boy who cried wolf.

lose the crutches and walk like the rest of us, kartr.

That's a crock. How can you tell a person how to feel or to act when you've never walked in their shoes. I assure you, I've always hung with the best, no matter what the field. Whether in athletics or acamedics, I need no crutch. In some cases,but not all, the more I've succeeded, the more I've been resented.

[kartr]

1) you're assuming all people who said he had a terrible interview hated carter, therefor never wanted him here. that's already wrong. i hoped carter would pull it through and compete for the job. i also hoped the same for hutch. the only person i wish would get off the team would be bledsoe. damn my racist tendencies.

2) if carter could play he'd be on a team. he's not. and since there are more than a few black players in the league, it's *probably* not race related, but performance.

3) he had a terrible interview.

too many teams need a qb to leave one that can play out.

No, it's about ego and leadership. I've experienced it personally. You know it's okay to be Tonto, but you can't be the lone ranger.

[JPM]

your "manlove" for them?

you sure you're not really blackstone?

1. you could put mother theresa on the skins and people would bash her. dead and all.
2. gee - someone who won it all on their shoulders should be free of critisizm and animosity? it goes with life dude - FOR US ALL.

i really freaking hate people who think their problems are someone elses fault and not just a fault of life.

stoener got bashed. hutch still gets bashed. hensen get bashed lately? HELL YEA!!! and jake d - isn't this thread bashing the ever loving hell out of him????? how come your analysis only works ONE WAY? oh, cause then you'd have to just get through life w/o excuses like the rest of us, i suppose.

how come your fav qb's issues are race related (or strongly hinted to it) but yet when other qb's are bashed it's part of the game? if all you got here is the race card, i'd fold. takes more than that to win in life.

Post of the day

[superpunk]

You know it's okay to be Tonto, but you can't be the lone ranger.

Someone just got a nickname......:D

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/pics/broken_record.jpg

http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/pics/dead_horse.jpg

http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/pics/broad_brush.jpg

[Jarv]

I can not stand Q Car as a player.

I like Donovan McNabb, but not the most accurate but still very very good.

I love Daunte Culpepper. Thought he was #1 or #2 QB in the league until this year.

I am fascinated by the prospects of Vince Young and even Omar Jacobs but to a smaller degree.

I am not the biggest fan of Drew Bledsoe either.

What does that make me?

I liked Daunte Culpepper, until he got injured this year and Brad Johnson played better after replacing him. I would be a proponent og getting Brad Johnson (I was for it last year, instead of Bledsoe)...But, I want to get younger at QB, So I'd rather take my chances this year with Henson and Romo.

[WoodysGirl]

I don't where he is or what he's doing. I heard that he had a terrible interview, but the people who say that never wanted him in the first place, so their opinion has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Since we heard about Michael Irvin, Ricky Williams,Claude Wrotten,etc, don't you think if he were in that bad of shape, we'd have heard something about him, a drug arrest, another rehab, something. It's like he's vanished off the face of the earth. When it comes to drugs, no news is good news when it comes to athletes.Seriously and I mean seriously you should go to the Recap Zone and find the QC thread. There's a link to the audio file in it too. That interview should really give you a clue as to how unstable he's become.

And Kartr, I don't think you realize how many supporters QC had. HE messed it up. Nobody else did. People still want him to get his life right, regardless of whether he gets back to the league. I wish him well in LIFE not just the NFL.

[kartr]

1) you're assuming all people who said he had a terrible interview hated carter, therefor never wanted him here. that's already wrong. i hoped carter would pull it through and compete for the job. i also hoped the same for hutch. the only person i wish would get off the team would be bledsoe. damn my racist tendencies.

2) if carter could play he'd be on a team. he's not. and since there are more than a few black players in the league, it's *probably* not race related, but performance.

3) he had a terrible interview.

too many teams need a qb to leave one that can play out.


If you don't interview well, you must not be able to play, but if you interview well, then you can play well. That's exactly what Tim Lewis and Jerry Gray are going thru now. Norv Turn interviews well, so he must be a good head coach. Kyle Orton was Chicago's starting qb, so even though he was terrible, he must have been a better option than Jeff Blake who at least has 51 starts under his belt. Pretzel Logic. Now who is it that needs a crutch again?

[BrAinPaiNt]

If you don't interview well, you must not be able to play, but if you interview well, then you can play well. That's exactly what Tim Lewis and Jerry Gray are going thru now. Norv Turn interviews well, so he must be a good head coach. Kyle Orton was Chicago's starting qb, so even though he was terrible, he must have been a better option than Jeff Blake who at least has 51 starts under his belt. Pretzel Logic. Now who is it that needs a crutch again?


jeff blake
Jeff Blake
JEFF BLAKE

<said in Jim Mora's infamous PLAYOFFS?? Voice>
:laugh2::lmao::lmao2:

[cobra]

Why do you waste your time with kartr? He has already made clear his motivations. Why would any think he could be logically talked to?

kartr needs to read this book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060935936/104-4596593-6158344?v=glance&n=283155):

Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America (Paperback)
by John McWhorter (Afterword)

Are African-Americans using past racial injustices as an excuse for not working to take advantage of contemporary opportunities? McWhorter, a linguistics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, thinks he has the answers to this question and othersAand he points the finger directly at the black community. Starting with the premise that white racism is no longer the threat it once was, McWhorter singles out "the cult of victimology" and the glorification of white racism as a major cause for several social crises afflicting African-Americans.

Playing to the Cult of Victimology. That is all kartr is doing.

[Maikeru-sama]

Seriously and I mean seriously you should go to the Recap Zone and find the QC thread. There's a link to the audio file in it too. That interview should really give you a clue as to how unstable he's become.

And Kartr, I don't think you realize how many supporters QC had. HE messed it up. Nobody else did. People still want him to get his life right, regardless of whether he gets back to the league. I wish him well in LIFE not just the NFL.


I never got to hear the interview. I went to the recap zone but these links dont work:

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview1.mp3

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview2.mp3

[WoodysGirl]

I never got to hear the interview. I went to the recap zone but these links dont work:

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview1.mp3

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview2.mp3 Well it's been a while.

I'm sure it can be found somewhere if someone downloaded it. I didn't, so I can't help with it.

Sorry... :o:

It wasn't like he was stark raving mad or anything. He just didn't seem to have it altogether.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I never got to hear the interview. I went to the recap zone but these links dont work:

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview1.mp3

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview2.mp3

You might want to try the ticket...they used to keep archives of things but not sure how long they keep them...the interview was on the ticket....My memory is fuzzy but I want to say it was on the dunham and miller show or the bob and dan show but I could be wrong.

[Bob Sacamano]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
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you get, 1, big, fat

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[Maikeru-sama]

Well it's been a while.

I'm sure it can be found somewhere if someone downloaded it. I didn't, so I can't help with it.

Sorry... :o:

It wasn't like he was stark raving mad or anything. He just didn't seem to have it altogether.

The 2nd link works.

I have no idea why Quincy Carter would go on the Ticket....

- Mike G.

[Maikeru-sama]

You might want to try the ticket...they used to keep archives of things but not sure how long they keep them...the interview was on the ticket....My memory is fuzzy but I want to say it was on the dunham and miller show or the bob and dan show but I could be wrong.

Yeah, I went there just to give it a shot but their page mainly contains drops.

I am listening to the 2nd part of the interview now, would love to hear the 1st part, but I am not going to break my neck to find it :).

- Mike G.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, I went there just to give it a shot but their page mainly contains drops.

I am listening to the 2nd part of the interview now, would love to hear the 1st part, but I am not going to break my neck to find it :).

- Mike G.

I will never know why he went on the ticket to do that interview...and if so I don't know why he did not go on the Norm show to do the interview.

I just see know way someone who has listened to the ticket would want to do an interview about that situation.

We throw around racist tabs sometimes....sometimes deserved, sometimes not...but there is no doubt in my mind that there are those on the ticket that are racists and I find it flabbergasting that they have not been nailed for some of the things they have said.

One of the main reasons I don't even listen to that station anymore.

If I had to hear another show where they are talking about someone who is black and some dumbarse has to use the drop of norm saying Hes Black....well...I chose not to listen to it anymore.

[Maikeru-sama]

I will never know why he went on the ticket to do that interview...and if so I don't know why he did not go on the Norm show to do the interview.

I just see know way someone who has listened to the ticket would want to do an interview about that situation.

We throw around racist tabs sometimes....sometimes deserved, sometimes not...but there is no doubt in my mind that there are those on the ticket that are racists and I find it flabbergasting that they have not been nailed for some of the things they have said.

One of the main reasons I don't even listen to that station anymore.

If I had to hear another show where they are talking about someone who is black and some dumbarse has to use the drop of norm saying Hes Black....well...I chose not to listen to it anymore.

Hahaha

Yep, for a while the Ticket was the only show in town, but now ESPN is availalbe unless you have satellite radio.

The only person that I know liked Quincy or I should say, gave him a chance was George Dunham of the Musers, everyone else didnt seem to like him that much for whatever reason it was.

The only show I like on the Ticket is Norm, everyone else is just unfunny most of the time or not even talking sports.

Also, I think they are probably harder on Hispanics more than blacks. Some of the jokes I hear them say about them is very disturbing....

- Mike G.

[trickblue]

You might want to try the ticket...they used to keep archives of things but not sure how long they keep them...the interview was on the ticket....My memory is fuzzy but I want to say it was on the dunham and miller show or the bob and dan show but I could be wrong.

It was "The Hardline" show...

[BrAinPaiNt]

Hahaha

Yep, for a while the Ticket was the only show in town, but now ESPN is availalbe unless you have satellite radio.

The only person that I know liked Quincy or I should say, gave him a chance was George Dunham of the Musers, everyone else didnt seem to like him that much for whatever reason it was.

The only show I like on the Ticket is Norm, everyone else is just unfunny most of the time or not even talking sports.

Also, I think they are probably harder on Hispanics more than blacks. Some of the jokes I hear them say about them is very disturbing....

- Mike G.

I agree with all of your takes....it just shocked me they got away with saying some of the racial stuff.

The only time I listen now is for PCs, norm on occasion and if I see that a player is going to be on.

[jay cee]

I agree with that.

I think me and Hostile have been the only ones that I have seen that are on record as rating this guy high and would love to have him wearing the star.

Mcnabb > Delhomme anyway....

- Mike G.
Include me in that number Mike. And Kartr, you pretty much closed the thread down with the post Mike is referring to.