View Full Version : Anyone know if Parcells going to Senior Bowl.....
sago1
01-23-2006, 12:25 PM
in Mobile, Alabama? The game is on Saturday and today the players weighed in and will have light workout before putting on the pads tomorrow. Parcells went last year but not previous 2 years. Most of the players we talked about (except for probable top 5 picks) will be there. Hope he goes but that he names new OC before then. Also imagine Jeff Ireland and many of his scouts will be down there and maybe even Jerry Jones?
Qwickdraw
01-23-2006, 01:04 PM
Mick and Bill said on Talkin Cowboys that they didnt think he was going this year.
Last year we had 2 1sts so he went but this year its just the scouting team.
They said his car is still in Dallas so...
Thats a shame cause his eye for talent is his greatest asset.
SDogo
01-23-2006, 01:33 PM
Mick and Bill said on Talkin Cowboys that they didnt think he was going this year.
Last year we had 2 1sts so he went but this year its just the scouting team.
They said his car is still in Dallas so...
Thats a shame cause his eye for talent is his greatest asset.
no comment if true:mad:
Chief
01-23-2006, 01:36 PM
They said his car is still in Dallas so...
Thats a shame cause his eye for talent is his greatest asset.
Don't worry.
Jerry and the "Bang Bus" will likely be there.
BrAinPaiNt
01-23-2006, 01:36 PM
He IS going to the senior bowl...it is just a different one...
http://d21c.com/AnnesPlace/Seniors/SR-12.gif
Mick and Bill said on Talkin Cowboys that they didnt think he was going this year.
Last year we had 2 1sts so he went but this year its just the scouting team.
They said his car is still in Dallas so...
Thats a shame cause his eye for talent is his greatest asset.
Hmmm, kinda piss's me off. I look for BP to build this team, especially through the draft. Posibilly our best draft here in years, last year's draft...and BP went to the senior bowl.
Why not this year ? I want every edge we can get.
I look at BP as more of a team builder than an OX's coach nowadays. He should be going to everything he can get to.
I hope Jeff Irelandwill at least be there.
:starspin
Bob Sacamano
01-23-2006, 01:58 PM
I hope Jeff Irelandwill at least be there.
:starspin
uh, head of scouting
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 02:02 PM
Increasingly folks see the senior bowl as useless. it is like the probowl but with an awful location attached. you want the guy to get you a new OC or you want him spending meaningless time at the senior bowl?
Increasingly folks see the senior bowl as useless. it is like the probowl but with an awful location attached. you want the guy to get you a new OC or you want him spending meaningless time at the senior bowl?
Well, since we haven't had an OC in over a year now...I'm not sure he's gonna really get us one anyhow...Maybe a passing game coach to replace Payton ?
Doomsday101
01-23-2006, 02:04 PM
Increasingly folks see the senior bowl as useless. it is like the probowl but with an awful location attached. you want the guy to get you a new OC or you want him spending meaningless time at the senior bowl?
The game itself I agree with you. The practice on the other hand is more informative for scouts,GM and coaches. That is really where most of the time is spent and informal interviews are conducted.
Bob Sacamano
01-23-2006, 02:06 PM
Increasingly folks see the senior bowl as useless. it is like the probowl but with an awful location attached. you want the guy to get you a new OC or you want him spending meaningless time at the senior bowl?
there's such a thing as Senior Bowl workouts
that's probably why we drafted Ware, because he showed the ability to drop into coverage in LB drills there
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 02:06 PM
The game itself I agree with you. The practice on the other hand is more informative for scouts,GM and coaches. That is really where most of the time is spent and informal interviews are conducted.
Why would you employ a scouting staff if you were going to do all that yourself?
The question is do you really gain anything with BP there -- or do you get the same result with Ireland and his people taking care of it?
Why would you employ a scouting staff if you were going to do all that yourself?
The question is do you really gain anything with BP there -- or do you get the same result with Ireland and his people taking care of it?
Well, I just go by the fact he thought it was important last year and he went...and we ended up with a good draft...now it's not important for him to go this year ? Is this years draft not as important ?
Guess I don't get the inconsistancy.
SDogo
01-23-2006, 02:10 PM
Why would you employ a scouting staff if you were going to do all that yourself?
The question is do you really gain anything with BP there -- or do you get the same result with Ireland and his people taking care of it?
I don't know, why don't you ask Gruden, Coughlin, Green and the other 15+ coaches that have been seen there.
Doomsday101
01-23-2006, 02:11 PM
Why would you employ a scouting staff if you were going to do all that yourself?
The question is do you really gain anything with BP there -- or do you get the same result with Ireland and his people taking care of it?
I agree that it is not critical that BP is there not all coaches will be, in many cases it is the scouting department who will be there and they will report back to the coach. I have no problem if Bill shows or not and I don't think it will hamper the Cowboys in this upcoming draft. I would be more suprised if Bill missed the combines in Indy than I would be him missing the senior bowl.
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 02:16 PM
Well, I just go by the fact he thought it was important last year and he went...and we ended up with a good draft...now it's not important for him to go this year ? Is this years draft not as important ?
Guess I don't get the inconsistancy.
It is likely more about how seeing the type of job Ireland did last year -- and what his trip added to that. If his evaluations were consistent with Ireland's and his staff's and they didn't get new information from his trip.
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 02:19 PM
I don't know, why don't you ask Gruden, Coughlin, Green and the other 15+ coaches that have been seen there.
Didn't your mama ever ask "if Dennis Green jumped off a bridge would you jump off a bridge too?"
Maybe those guys don't trust their staffs. The suggestion that BP is slacking though is pretty laughable -- you can slam various aspects of his coaching if you like but it is off-base to suggest he isn't working hard enough.
Duane
01-23-2006, 02:21 PM
He IS going to the senior bowl...it is just a different one...
http://d21c.com/AnnesPlace/Seniors/SR-12.gif
:lmao:
wileedog
01-23-2006, 02:24 PM
It is likely more about how seeing the type of job Ireland did last year -- and what his trip added to that. If his evaluations were consistent with Ireland's and his staff's and they didn't get new information from his trip.
Yep, last year was Ireland's first year. This year Bill is probably comfortable leaning on him a bit more after last years successes, which can only be good for us.
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 02:27 PM
Yep, last year was Ireland's first year. This year Bill is probably comfortable leaning on him a bit more after last years successes, which can only be good for us.
So the folks who think he should go to the senior bowl are actually arguing for a less productive off-season -- and Ireland and BP would be duplicating work rather than working on different fronts.
ya see. BP going to the senior bowl is stupid.
CrazyCowboy
01-23-2006, 02:30 PM
BP will let our scouting dept take care of it......Jeff Ireland is great scout for new talent.
SDogo
01-23-2006, 02:34 PM
Didn't your mama ever ask "if Dennis Green jumped off a bridge would you jump off a bridge too?"
Maybe those guys don't trust their staffs. The suggestion that BP is slacking though is pretty laughable -- you can slam various aspects of his coaching if you like but it is off-base to suggest he isn't working hard enough.
hmm, so is it Bills evaluation of players might not be as great as everyone claims and it's actually Ireland that should get the credit or perhaps it is Bill and Ireland sucks?
Either way, yeah I'm saying Bill is slacking.. He has been slacking since year 2. Why is teams like the Patriots have amazing drafts year after year? Could it be that even in the middle of a superbowl run you could find their assistants and Little Bill at these "worthless" event's like the Senior Bowl?
I'm sorry, but if it's my team and these are the guys I'm going to choose to go to battle with I want to be there and if I'm the owner paying these guys, I want my head coach there.
Piss poor decision on Bills part again.
wileedog
01-23-2006, 02:37 PM
ya see. BP going to the senior bowl is stupid.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't mind that much if Bill went. In fact I'd like to see him duplicate as much as possible last offseason, even down to eating the same breakfast cereal every morning as he did last year.
But I think there is a lot going on right now replacing coaches and from of the info bites we got in the coaching articles it sounds like the team is charting out offensive/defensive changes for next year.
I'd far rather he be at Valley Ranch sketching up new blitz packages then at the Senior Bowl right now, as long as he has the trust in Ireland....
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't mind that much if Bill went. In fact I'd like to see him duplicate as much as possible last offseason, even down to eating the same breakfast cereal every morning as he did last year.
But I think there is a lot going on right now replacing coaches and from of the info bites we got in the coaching articles it sounds like the team is charting out offensive/defensive changes for next year.
I'd far rather he be at Valley Ranch sketching up new blitz packages then at the Senior Bowl right now, as long as he has the trust in Ireland....
When did Ireland get the promotion last year ? I thought it was after the senoir bowl last year, or late in the off season ? Can't quite remember.
wileedog
01-23-2006, 02:44 PM
When did Ireland get the promotion last year ? I thought it was after the senoir bowl last year, or late in the off season ? Can't quite remember.
Yeah, after the Senior Bowl. I think late March or early April IIRC.
SDogo
01-23-2006, 02:46 PM
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't mind that much if Bill went. In fact I'd like to see him duplicate as much as possible last offseason, even down to eating the same breakfast cereal every morning as he did last year.
But I think there is a lot going on right now replacing coaches and from of the info bites we got in the coaching articles it sounds like the team is charting out offensive/defensive changes for next year.
I'd far rather he be at Valley Ranch sketching up new blitz packages then at the Senior Bowl right now, as long as he has the trust in Ireland....
If I remember right isnt the Senior Bowl where he ran into Paul Pasq (sp)?
Another reason to be there.:p:
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 02:54 PM
hmm, so is it Bills evaluation of players might not be as great as everyone claims and it's actually Ireland that should get the credit or perhaps it is Bill and Ireland sucks?
Either way, yeah I'm saying Bill is slacking.. He has been slacking since year 2. Why is teams like the Patriots have amazing drafts year after year? Could it be that even in the middle of a superbowl run you could find their assistants and Little Bill at these "worthless" event's like the Senior Bowl?
I'm sorry, but if it's my team and these are the guys I'm going to choose to go to battle with I want to be there and if I'm the owner paying these guys, I want my head coach there.
Piss poor decision on Bills part again.
You might be confusing scouting with player evaluation. scouting involves more than just watching guys practice. that is one part -- and one part that BP clearly trusts his staff to do.
Coaches' evaluation doesn't necessarily involve directly scouting players -- it is his job to take the evaluations of his scouting staff, assistants, and even the owner and come up with his own evaluation.
Alexander
01-23-2006, 02:55 PM
Mick and Bill said on Talkin Cowboys that they didnt think he was going this year.
That's too bad. I think him being there last year played a part in our draft.
speedkilz88
01-23-2006, 03:04 PM
NFL Network is showing Senior Bowl practices this week at 3 cen. to 4:30 cen. time this week. Its on right now but it looks like they are mainly talking about the players today.
conner01
01-23-2006, 03:07 PM
i can set at home and read what everyone did in practice at the sr bowl. not to mention it's all on tape as is every game these guys have played.all the sr bowl gives you is a sence of the guys and see how he interacts with his teammates. everything else you can watch on film
uh, head of scouting
Yeah. Sarcasm doesn't work on the net, or I'm terrible at it.
But, I have complete faith is what Jeff will do draft-wise this year.
i can set at home and read what everyone did in practice at the sr bowl. not to mention it's all on tape as is every game these guys have played.all the sr bowl gives you is a sence of the guys and see how he interacts with his teammates. everything else you can watch on film
So why did he go last year ?
AbeBeta
01-23-2006, 03:12 PM
all the sr bowl gives you is a sence of the guys and see how he interacts with his teammates
but since they are playing with a new set of guys that doesn't really say much either. it isn't like getting to watch a team's practice.
Kittymama
01-23-2006, 03:17 PM
hmm, so is it Bills evaluation of players might not be as great as everyone claims and it's actually Ireland that should get the credit or perhaps it is Bill and Ireland sucks?
Either way, yeah I'm saying Bill is slacking.. He has been slacking since year 2. Why is teams like the Patriots have amazing drafts year after year? Could it be that even in the middle of a superbowl run you could find their assistants and Little Bill at these "worthless" event's like the Senior Bowl?
I'm sorry, but if it's my team and these are the guys I'm going to choose to go to battle with I want to be there and if I'm the owner paying these guys, I want my head coach there.
Piss poor decision on Bills part again.
Amazing. The Senior Bowl hasn't even been held yet, & unless I've been in a coma the past few days, neither has the draft. So, we don't know whether Parcells actually is or isn't going to the Senior Bowl. (And, um, does Belichick go to the Senior Bowl, or does he trust his scouts?) And the draft hasn't been held yet, but somehow you've determined that ours will be bad? Wow--I know Parcells gets slammed a lot, but now he's even getting slammed for future events that haven't even happened.
Can you predict this week's Powerball, please? It's up to $115 million.
speedkilz88
01-23-2006, 03:20 PM
Amazing. The Senior Bowl hasn't even been held yet, & unless I've been in a coma the past few days, neither has the draft. So, we don't know whether Parcells actually is or isn't going to the Senior Bowl. (And, um, does Belichick go to the Senior Bowl, or does he trust his scouts?) And the draft hasn't been held yet, but somehow you've determined that ours will be bad? Wow--I know Parcells gets slammed a lot, but now he's even getting slammed for future events that haven't even happened.
Can you predict this week's Powerball, please? It's up to $115 million.Coaches and scouts go to the practices of the Senior Bowl too. There is a practice on right now(nfl network) and BP didn't go according to Mick.
SDogo
01-23-2006, 03:24 PM
Amazing. The Senior Bowl hasn't even been held yet, & unless I've been in a coma the past few days, neither has the draft. So, we don't know whether Parcells actually is or isn't going to the Senior Bowl. (And, um, does Belichick go to the Senior Bowl, or does he trust his scouts?) And the draft hasn't been held yet, but somehow you've determined that ours will be bad? Wow--I know Parcells gets slammed a lot, but now he's even getting slammed for future events that haven't even happened.
Can you predict this week's Powerball, please? It's up to $115 million.
Way to blow a load and miss by a mile.
1) it has been determined Parcells is not going or there
2) Belichick has been seen there and was pictured on NFL Network to prove it
3) I'd like to see where I have determined this draft will be bad. My exact quote please
0 for 3
My odd's of picking those numbers for you are looking better.
Can you predict this week's Powerball, please? It's up to $115 million.
Well, if its up to 115 million I guess that means I did not win on Sat. Thanks for ruining my day.
sago1
01-23-2006, 06:04 PM
Disappointed Parcells not going. Hope it's because he has lot more confidence in Ireland, who also played key role in last year's draft.
hogwild
01-23-2006, 06:49 PM
Jerry Jones also played a key role in last years draft
I hope that gives you even more confidence:lmao2:
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