The only coordinators who will work for Parcells are young unknowns

[TruBlueCowboy]

Someone posted a thread here not too long ago that reported rumors that coaches around Valley Ranch hate working for Parcells and to expect Payton and Zimmer gone in a heartbeat if they get another job somewhere. After watching the coach movement, I'm inclined to believe it.

Palmer shunned us for a rookie head coach. New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy, the only thing they have on us is a better offensive line. Plus, it's the Saints, a team with no home, not exactly an enticing offer for an offensive coordinator compared to our team, which ain't second heaven, but you'd think we would have a chance with Palmer, especially considering the history with Parcells.

Payton won't go to the struggling Oakland Raiders because it's not in his interest to take over a team in that shape at the moment? But he'll gladly take over New Orleans, perhaps a team in the biggest state of turmoil in NFL history? :confused: Bologne, he just wanted to get out of Dodge as fast as possible. He was probably sick of Parcells.

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.

You can throw out any established veteran coach names to join our staff. Parcells does not have the personality of Joe Gibbs. The only people who will join Parcells are young coaches like Payton who maybe had some brief downturns in their career and are looking to improve their resume and hoping to have success under Parcells. And now that Parcells isn't winning as much as he used to, his staff openings are even more unattractive.

I think Parcells still has it, but all this coach movement makes me wonder if Parcells has worn out his welcome and the word is out to avoid him at all costs.

[HardHittin'Witten]

interesting post, and you may be right.

[Sabu1]

[quote=TruBlueCowboy]
Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.
/[quote]

Honestly, what former coaches of his were available? Belichick? No. Weis? No. Crennel? No. Muir? No. Pope? No. All under contract with other teams and not available. This Palmer setback is being blown WAY out of proportion. The reaction on this board is laughable really. Most of you people didn't want Palmer yesterday and now it's football armageddon now that he isn't here. I guess fans will be fans but thank god you people don't make real football decisions. :laugh2:

[CowboyManDan]

The other thing to think about in terms of an offensive coordinator, is that in Dallas he'd be working with the aging veteran group of Bledsoe/Glenn/Keyshawn. Players who have already reached or passed their peak.

Whereas in NO, they may take a QB with their high 1st round pick. Could be someone they can coach and mold, as opposed to a (will-be) 34 year old vet like Bledsoe. And that's to go along with with a solid young RB and a young WR in Stallworth and one older veteran in Horn.

The only positives in terms of molding and future of our offense is Witten and the combintaion of Jones/Barber.

[TruBlueCowboy]

[quote=TruBlueCowboy]
Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.
/[quote]

Honestly, what former coaches of his were available? Belichick? No. Weis? No. Crennel? No. Muir? No. Pope? No. All under contract with other teams and not available. This Palmer setback is being blown WAY out of proportion. The reaction on this board is laughable really. Most of you people didn't want Palmer yesterday and now it's football armageddon now that he isn't here. I guess fans will be fans but thank god you people don't make real football decisions. :laugh2:

I wasn't against the Palmer signing. Honestly, I thought it was a sure thing. I don't think anything is being blown out of proportion, it's a little shocking that Parcells couldn't bring him back. Especially considering who he went to instead.

I'll agree with you on the former coaches. Many of them were already hired with his "branches" on the coaching tree, but we are seeing few of them added as they become available over the last 3 years Parcells has been with the Cowboys.

[TruBlueCowboy]

The other thing to think about in terms of an offensive coordinator, is that in Dallas he'd be working with the aging veteran group of Bledsoe/Glenn/Keyshawn. Players who have already reached or passed their peak.

Whereas in NO, they may take a QB with their high 1st round pick. Could be someone they can coach and mold, as opposed to a (will-be) 34 year old vet like Bledsoe. And that's to go along with with a solid young RB and a young WR in Stallworth and one older veteran in Horn.

The only positives in terms of molding and future of our offense is Witten and the combintaion of Jones/Barber.

I think another positive about NO is that you're going to look good no matter what. That was a wierd season. Many would say the Saints underachieved. It's hard to see any coach not having more wins next year now that things are starting to settle down just a lil' bit.

[Shaun]

Was Palmer offered the position here, or was he just brought in for an interview?

[VACowboy]

Maybe Parcells didn't want him.

[JohnsKey19]

Could be...however, if I'm an OC, I'd prefer to work with the Saints' talent than that of the Cowboys. They're explosive at WR, have a pro-bowl caliber RB and they'll likely draft Matt Lienart. Who knows...maybe you 're right. Would you blame him though if that were the case?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Could be...however, if I'm an OC, I'd prefer to work with the Saints' talent than that of the Cowboys. They're explosive at WR, have a pro-bowl caliber RB and they'll likely draft Matt Lienart. Who knows...maybe you 're right. Would you blame him though if that were the case?

Nah. Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

It's just frustrating watching Gibbs bring in all these talented guys while the Boys work with less, or reach to promote from within. :banghead:

[MiStar]

It's quite likely that there aren't many who enjoy working under Parcells. However, any smart and ambitious coach knows the value of being considered part of the Parcells coaching tree.

Take a look at all the guys that have gotten opportunities as head coaches that have worked with Parcells. Being an current or assistant coach with Parcells is the "in" thing in the NFL these days.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Zimmer hated working with Parcells so much that he turned down the head coaching position of one of the top programs in NCAA football.

Wow, Payton took a HEAD COACHING position.

You know if I take another job that pays more and has more power and prestige it must mean I hated my former boss.

Palmer was brought in under the radar and left under the radar. It is just as plausible that Parcells did not want to hire him or that they mutually agreed or whatever million other scenarios there are.

Thank you please drive through.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Zimmer hated working with Parcells so much that he turned down the head coaching position of one of the top programs in NCAA football.

Wow, Payton took a HEAD COACHING position.

You know if I take another job that pays more and has more power and prestige it must mean I hated my former boss.

Palmer was brought in under the radar and left under the radar. It is just as plausible that Parcells did not want to hire him or that they mutually agreed or whatever million other scenarios there are.

Thank you please drive through.

Nebraska is no longer one of the top NCAA programs. But it's still college football. Zimmer probably wants a head coaching gig in the NFL judging by his interviews.

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

The Palmer thing I agree with. I think the more likely scenario however is that Payton swung in on a vine like Tarzan and stole him before the Cowboys could go any further.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nebraska is no longer one of the top NCAA programs. But it's still college football. Zimmer probably wants a head coaching gig in the NFL judging by his interviews.

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

The Palmer thing I agree with. I think the more likely scenario however is that Payton swung in on a vine like Tarzan and stole him before the Cowboys could go any further.

Saying that Nebraska isnt one of the top NCAAA football prgrams is akin to saying Kentucky isnt one the top basketball programs because there not top 25 this year.

As for Payton turning down the Raiders last year and opting for NO this year all i have are two words. Al Davis. In NO he will have his run of the team without the owner wanting to put his fingers on gameplans and what not.

There was some unsubstantiated rumor that some coaches were unhappy and really this thread is just that rumor run amock.

[Cowboy Junkie]

Parcells is the quickest route to a head coaching job and No one wants to coach under him????
Yeah , I buy that one!!!!!

[TruBlueCowboy]

Saying that Nebraska isnt one of the top NCAAA football prgrams is akin to saying Kentucky isnt one the top basketball programs because there not top 25 this year.

As for Payton turning down the Raiders last year and opting for NO this year all i have are two words. Al Davis. In NO he will have his run of the team without the owner wanting to put his fingers on gameplans and what not.

There was some unsubstantiated rumor that some coaches were unhappy and really this thread is just that rumor run amock.

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

Coaches leave for "higher grounds."

And this isn't a dig on Parcells as a football mind. He just can't bring in the talent we need at assistant positions because folks are reluctant to work with his style. Sooner or later, it's going to bite him in the butt if he can't find talented men to rely on and has to resort to doing things such as promoting the offensive line coach on one of the worst olines in the league to offensive coordinator.

[jterrell]

sorry but that rings extremely hollow.

payton wasnt young and unknown. he also has given parcells nothing but love since leaving and in fact got the job largely because he talked up what he learned here.

parcells cant keep coordinators because they keep getting promotions to head coach. look at his coaching tree. it is sick.

we keep hearing how bad verducci is from fans yet thats who payton asked permission to make his OC.

BP has been his own OC much of his career and if he is this year I am sure the offense wont fall apart based on that fact.

[jterrell]

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

Coaches leave for "higher grounds."

And this isn't a dig on Parcells as a football mind. He just can't bring in the talent we need at assistant positions because folks are reluctant to work with his style. Sooner or later, it's going to bite him in the butt if he can't find talented men to rely on and has to resort to doing things such as promoting the offensive line coach on one of the worst olines in the league to offensive coordinator.

you are seriously pulling this out of nowhere.
all based on chris palmer???

we did get proven guys in here previously and we will again. BP gets guys pro interviews and coaches know that.

[neosapien23]

sorry but that rings extremely hollow.

payton wasnt young and unknown. he also has given parcells nothing but love since leaving and in fact got the job largely because he talked up what he learned here.

parcells cant keep coordinators because they keep getting promotions to head coach. look at his coaching tree. it is sick.

we keep hearing how bad verducci is from fans yet thats who payton asked permission to make his OC.

BP has been his own OC much of his career and if he is this year I am sure the offense wont fall apart based on that fact.

Why didn't Billichick stay in New York when Parcells left? Could it be that he couldn't get along with Parcells the GM? Why did Carthon leave to work for Romeo Crennel for the same position? BP is a little stubborn and does not listen to his coaching staff as much as one would hope. Payton was not allowed to make the play calls despite what Parcells says. In New York he ran a deep passing game with Collins, in Dallas a failed running game was implimented. BP also made Zimmer impliment a scheme he was uncomfortable with. I'm not saying Parcells is a bad coach but he is extremely hard to work for. As for Payton giving Parcells love, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. He showed a little more class than Billichick thats all.

[BigDFan5]

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?



Why did he take it? How many head coaching offers you think he would get next year after turning down his second chance?

[BigDFan5]

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

Coaches leave for "higher grounds."

And this isn't a dig on Parcells as a football mind. He just can't bring in the talent we need at assistant positions because folks are reluctant to work with his style. Sooner or later, it's going to bite him in the butt if he can't find talented men to rely on and has to resort to doing things such as promoting the offensive line coach on one of the worst olines in the league to offensive coordinator.


The reason the Skins get those guys is they are paying head coach money to assistants tripling salaries is the only reason they got Saunders and kept williams

[SkinsandTerps]

The reason the Skins get those guys is they are paying head coach money to assistants tripling salaries is the only reason they got Saunders and kept williams

Snyder paid them handsomely indeed. But you ever think that they want to coach for Gibbs and Snyder ?

I understand your point of view TruBlue.

The Parcells tree has really become the Belichick tree. The Paul Brown tree has become the Bill Walsh tree.

A case of the student has become the master.

[BigDFan5]

Snyder paid them handsomely indeed. But you ever think that they want to coach for Gibbs and Snyder ?


Sure, who wouldnt want to for triple a coordinators regular salary

[alicetooljam]

"New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy."

Sorry man, but I couldnt help but think that sounds alot like us...:eek:

[AbeBeta]

The Parcells tree has really become the Belichick tree. The Paul Brown tree has become the Bill Walsh tree.

A case of the student has become the master.

or maybe a case of a guy being out of coaching for several years. hard to have a tree when you are retired.

[SkinsandTerps]

Sure, who wouldnt want to for triple a coordinators regular salary

But on par with a HCs salary for a smaller city or cheap owner.
So you put that coach in a situation where they have security and yet still a future potential HC position...or throw them to the wolves with the responsibility as a HC.

I look no further than the terrible job that the Jets did this past season from top to bottom. Herm gets a gig in KC, Henderson gets another gig, and so will Heimerdinger in Denver.

[SkinsandTerps]

or maybe a case of a guy being out of coaching for several years. hard to have a tree when you are retired.

BS. Parcells is starting to get the rep that, "without Belichick and many others ..." .

[Bob Sacamano]

Someone posted a thread here not too long ago that reported rumors that coaches around Valley Ranch hate working for Parcells and to expect Payton and Zimmer gone in a heartbeat if they get another job somewhere. After watching the coach movement, I'm inclined to believe it.

Palmer shunned us for a rookie head coach. New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy, the only thing they have on us is a better offensive line. Plus, it's the Saints, a team with no home, not exactly an enticing offer for an offensive coordinator compared to our team, which ain't second heaven, but you'd think we would have a chance with Palmer, especially considering the history with Parcells.

Payton won't go to the struggling Oakland Raiders because it's not in his interest to take over a team in that shape at the moment? But he'll gladly take over New Orleans, perhaps a team in the biggest state of turmoil in NFL history? :confused: Bologne, he just wanted to get out of Dodge as fast as possible. He was probably sick of Parcells.

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.

You can throw out any established veteran coach names to join our staff. Parcells does not have the personality of Joe Gibbs. The only people who will join Parcells are young coaches like Payton who maybe had some brief downturns in their career and are looking to improve their resume and hoping to have success under Parcells. And now that Parcells isn't winning as much as he used to, his staff openings are even more unattractive.

I think Parcells still has it, but all this coach movement makes me wonder if Parcells has worn out his welcome and the word is out to avoid him at all costs.

I don't believe this at all, looks like Parcells is helping unknowns, and coordinators down on their luck, find success in the coaching ranks after him

recent example: Payton; had his playcalling duties stripped away from Fasell, joined Parcells, and now is an HC

another example: Parcells made WR, or QB, coach Charlie Weis his OC in NEw England, a role he resumed when Bill Belichick became the HC there, they win Super Bowls, and Weis is coaching at Notre Dame

[Bob Sacamano]

It's quite likely that there aren't many who enjoy working under Parcells. However, any smart and ambitious coach knows the value of being considered part of the Parcells coaching tree.

Take a look at all the guys that have gotten opportunities as head coaches that have worked with Parcells. Being an current or assistant coach with Parcells is the "in" thing in the NFL these days.

:hammer:

[Bob Sacamano]

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

it's a headcoaching position

and maybe Payton wasn't comfortable being a HC last year?

alot of variables to think about...

[Bob Sacamano]

BS. Parcells is starting to get the rep that, "without Belichick and many others ..." .

Belichick is getting that same rep

[CrazyCowboy]

This post has a lot of validity and very interesting thoughts.....I bet the truth is somewhere in the middle......good post.

[Hostile]

Belichick is getting that same repAfter 1 year?

Please...

[wileedog]

BS. Parcells is starting to get the rep that, "without Belichick and many others ..." .

So if the Skins win it all this year, I guess we can all say Gibbs was useless without Williams and Saunders, right?

[Alexander]

we keep hearing how bad verducci is from fans yet thats who payton asked permission to make his OC.

Freudian slip?:lmao:

[SkinsandTerps]

So if the Skins win it all this year, I guess we can all say Gibbs was useless without Williams and Saunders, right?

Gibbs was useless without either of them before also. :rolleyes:
If anything those guys who havent won anything will be getting a boost because of Gibbs not the other way around.

[wileedog]

Gibbs was useless without either of them before also. :rolleyes:
If anything those guys who havent won anything will be getting a boost because of Gibbs not the other way around.
Pssst. You're double standard is showing.....

[SkinsandTerps]

Pssst. You're double standard is showing.....

Not my double standard so much, just the way it will likely be perceived.
Same as people take away from great RBs because they have a great line. When the two are hand in hand usually.

[Yeagermeister]

A young unknown wouldn't be a bad thing since he'd have something to prove but I would have preferred one with experience.

[Doomsday101]

So if the Skins win it all this year, I guess we can all say Gibbs was useless without Williams and Saunders, right?

Was Jimmy Johnson usless before Norv Turner took over the offense? I don't care for the skins but there is no doubt Joe Gibbs is a very good coach.

[wileedog]

Not my double standard so much, just the way it will likely be perceived.
Same as people take away from great RBs because they have a great line. When the two are hand in hand usually.

Well, lets look at the perception.

For two years the offense under Gibbs has been stagnant. The defense under Williams has carried the team.

If Saunders the Savior comes in this year and fixes the offense and the Skins go and win, you don't think some people are going to point out the fact that for two years Gibbs' offense struggled but Saunders came and fixed it, and that's ultimately what got the team over the hump?

I'm not saying I believe that personally - just like I don't buy the Parcells needs Belichick schtick. But we're just talking perception here, right?

[SkinsandTerps]

Well, lets look at the perception.

For two years the offense under Gibbs has been stagnant. The defense under Williams has carried the team.

If Saunders the Savior comes in this year and fixes the offense and the Skins go and win, you don't think some people are going to point out the fact that for two years Gibbs' offense struggled but Saunders came and fixed it, and that's ultimately what got the team over the hump?

I'm not saying I believe that personally - just like I don't buy the Parcells needs Belichick schtick. But we're just talking perception here, right?

Well its fairly obvious to me (and you it seems) that the Redskins offense needs a little kick in the butt. And as you state some people may indeed look at it as Saunders was the missing link. Lets not forget that Al Saunders powerful offense never won a playoff game in KC however.

Joe Bugel was a terrible HC.
Ritchie Petitbon was a terrible HC.
Gregg Williams thus far terrible HC.
Al Saunders was a terrible HC.
The list could go on and on probably.

Is Gibbs the missing link ?

I think you and I are on the same page but reading different paragraphs.

[sago1]

Don't understand why some excited Palmer not coming here and somehow all Parcells fault. Jets interviewed Palmer but we don't know they even offered him a job; Parcells interviewed him, but here again we don't know if Palmer's was offered a job. All we know is Parcells interviewing Palmer & Jones was going to meet with Palmer sometime on Wednesday but there no mention Wednesday evening Palmer had the job and all of a sudden on Thursday Palmer has OC job in NO. Sounds to me like both Jets & Cowboys were just interviewing and not locked into Palmer. Time will tell.

Do remember Zimmer saying after Rams interview that it went well, but in last day or 2 have read Rams not impressed with him. Maybe Jets/Cowboys felt same way about Palmer this time around.

[Kittymama]

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

And you know this how exactly? I'm also curious how you know it was Palmer who made the decision--as opposed to Parcells? It's entirely possible that Parcells is more interested in Heimerdinger, or that he does think Sparano might be a better fit at this point. And even if true, that's a bad thing why exactly? (And correct me if I'm wrong, but Pasqualoni is a "former coach," correct? And most of the other coaches did coach elsewhere before coming to the Cowboys? So wouldn't they all be "former coaches?")

Maybe it might be a good idea to wait until the season is over BEFORE we decide on the ACs that the skins hired & how superior they are to the Cowboys? I seem to recall everyone melting down over the years about all the "talent" the skins were signing as FAs--& that never amounted to anything. Yes, they were names, but they certainly didn't produce on the field. No question, Williams has done a good job, but he's had a pretty good group of players to work with. I'll be curious to see how effective Saunders is with either a broken-down QB or a rookie. It'll also be interesting to see how it plays out over the long run--Williams already being guaranteed that he will be the next coach, but meanwhile more coaches being brought in who also have strong ambitions to be HC.

I seem to recall that Parcells has had some "young unknown" talent before--guys noone ever heard of like Belichick, Coughlin, Crennel, Weis, etc.

Here's another thought--the skins are almost the only team bringing in the recycled coaches. When the Steelers (coached by the vaunted Cowher that so many think is better than Parcells now) lose an AC, they bring in young unknowns. So do a lot of other teams (Seahawks, Eagles, etc.). That's how you groom them & build a core for the long run. Yes, they get poached over time, but meanwhile you've got some solid talent in the mix. It's interesting that Parcells hasn't fired any of his coaches this season--& that the Boys refused to grant further permission for any of them to be interviewed. Sounds like he may now have a group he likes. Gee, think about that--the beginnings of another core group for the Boys to choose from down the line, perhaps?

[hmcorp]

How did this whole thread get started?

People beg to play and coach with parcells. I would rather have those people than people that dont want to do coach or play under him.

This whole coach argument stuff is kind of contradictory and missing the point.


Parcells controls so many facets of the team. He is a control freak like Jimmy was.

He isnt like some of the other coaches that put it into other peoples hands.

[dallasgirl12]

Someone posted a thread here not too long ago that reported rumors that coaches around Valley Ranch hate working for Parcells and to expect Payton and Zimmer gone in a heartbeat if they get another job somewhere. After watching the coach movement, I'm inclined to believe it.

Palmer shunned us for a rookie head coach. New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy, the only thing they have on us is a better offensive line. Plus, it's the Saints, a team with no home, not exactly an enticing offer for an offensive coordinator compared to our team, which ain't second heaven, but you'd think we would have a chance with Palmer, especially considering the history with Parcells.

Payton won't go to the struggling Oakland Raiders because it's not in his interest to take over a team in that shape at the moment? But he'll gladly take over New Orleans, perhaps a team in the biggest state of turmoil in NFL history? :confused: Bologne, he just wanted to get out of Dodge as fast as possible. He was probably sick of Parcells.

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.

You can throw out any established veteran coach names to join our staff. Parcells does not have the personality of Joe Gibbs. The only people who will join Parcells are young coaches like Payton who maybe had some brief downturns in their career and are looking to improve their resume and hoping to have success under Parcells. And now that Parcells isn't winning as much as he used to, his staff openings are even more unattractive.

I think Parcells still has it, but all this coach movement makes me wonder if Parcells has worn out his welcome and the word is out to avoid him at all costs.


It amazes me how quick people are to read things into situations. I'm not sure what kind of work experience you have, but in the real world people aspire to advance their careers in their given profession. All of the coaches that have joined Parcells in the last few years, either worked for him before or knew enough of his reputation as a no-nonsense kinda of guy to want to hang their hat on him. All of them chose to be here, as it would help further their careers. We are looking at a record number of teams that are in need of head coaches. What better time to take a leap of faith and work toward the goal of a head coaching position. Football is no different than any business, in the sense that it is a business. If you look at Payton, he came here to be with Parcells. So did Carthon. Both owe a lot to Parcells in the opportunties that have come their way. Don't think for one minute, they don't know that. As for Zimmer, if he wanted out so bad, don't you think he would have jumped ship a year ago, verse working his butt off to learn and install a completely different defense? He did it, because the benefits of broadening his abilities, would one day pay off in the head-coaching arena. Zimmer is like any young coach who aspires to be a head coach in the National Football League, will look for opportunities as they arise. His time may not be this year, but he will get there one day...thanks in great part to his association with Parcells. If you are going to look negatively at every move made one or more of our coaches, at least do so honestly with other teams in the league as well. Not just over one season either...you have to go back several years. When you do, you will see it is what it is...a business where Coaches aspire to be more.

[MaineBoy]

I think the realpoint of this thread was not about Payton leaving or Palmer not coming..I thought those were examples of the larger point that there are some experienced and capable assistant coaches being hired all over the league but HERE....You have Greg Williams and Al Saunders with the Skins....Dom Capers with Miami...Mularkey went to Miami also (I know he was fired in Buffalo but I have read that some football people think that there are bigger problems there)...Haslet was out there, etc....and we are left with the likes of Zimmer - who got one interview and blew that apparently - and Sparano and now talk that Sparano could be the new OC here.....Just seems like a lot of coaching talent is moving around and none of it is coming to us...

[TruBlueCowboy]

I think the realpoint of this thread was not about Payton leaving or Palmer not coming..I thought those were examples of the larger point that there are some experienced and capable assistant coaches being hired all over the league but HERE....You have Greg Williams and Al Saunders with the Skins....Dom Capers with Miami...Mularkey went to Miami also (I know he was fired in Buffalo but I have read that some football people think that there are bigger problems there)...Haslet was out there, etc....and we are left with the likes of Zimmer - who got one interview and blew that apparently - and Sparano and now talk that Sparano could be the new OC here.....Just seems like a lot of coaching talent is moving around and none of it is coming to us...

Yup. Apparently some folks think one man can coach this team to victory. Every member of that 90's dynasty credits Norv Turner as launching their offense and the dynasty. Bill Parcells (even though he won't admit it) can credit Belichick for those strong defenses that took him far. Mike Martz was the guy who gave Dick Vermeil his first Super Bowl and helped an unknown QB become the league MVP. Ya need good assistants. Parcells got 'em (Payton, Carthon) when he first joined the Cowboys but it's a little unnerving how he isn't pulling in young talent or any established assistant coaches anymore.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Zimmer is like any young coach who aspires to be a head coach in the National Football League, will look for opportunities as they arise.

Zimmer is not a young coach. He's close to 55. This may be as far as he goes in the NFL.

[hmcorp]

Zimmer is exactly 50 years old this june.

Umm thats like 10-15 years of head coaching he could do.

And thats a ton.

The overreaction in this crowd. Amazing.

Bill doesnt need a redo of what happened with the oilers in the mid 90s with their HEAD COACHES at every position crap. I am perfectly happy with guys who are going to work extra hard to get thier names known. It is fine by me.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Zimmer is exactly 50 years old this june.

Umm thats like 10-15 years of head coaching he could do.

And thats a ton.

The overreaction in this crowd. Amazing.

Bill doesnt need a redo of what happened with the oilers in the mid 90s with their HEAD COACHES at every position crap. I am perfectly happy with guys who are going to work extra hard to get thier names known. It is fine by me.

Where did you find that? I had a terrible time trying to find his age on the net and only landed on a link that had him at 53. I know he was coaching college football in the late 70's so he's almost got a good 30 years already.

Okay, found the link for 50 at Cowboy website. But still... going with today's NFL that's old. Guys in their 30's are getting head coaching jobs. You can be like the Buccs defensive coordinator and stay a DC your whole life but it seems like teams are going for guys around 40 now for their head coach.

[Bob Sacamano]

Don't understand why some excited Palmer not coming here and somehow all Parcells fault. Jets interviewed Palmer but we don't know they even offered him a job; Parcells interviewed him, but here again we don't know if Palmer's was offered a job. All we know is Parcells interviewing Palmer & Jones was going to meet with Palmer sometime on Wednesday but there no mention Wednesday evening Palmer had the job and all of a sudden on Thursday Palmer has OC job in NO. Sounds to me like both Jets & Cowboys were just interviewing and not locked into Palmer. Time will tell.

Do remember Zimmer saying after Rams interview that it went well, but in last day or 2 have read Rams not impressed with him. Maybe Jets/Cowboys felt same way about Palmer this time around.

everyone's forgetting that it has been said that Bill has a few options in mind

and guess what, Palmer's just 1 option

[Bob Sacamano]

After 1 year?

Please...

it's as ridiculous as what they're saying about Parcells w/o little Bill

[Bob Sacamano]

It amazes me how quick people are to read things into situations. I'm not sure what kind of work experience you have, but in the real world people aspire to advance their careers in their given profession. All of the coaches that have joined Parcells in the last few years, either worked for him before or knew enough of his reputation as a no-nonsense kinda of guy to want to hang their hat on him. All of them chose to be here, as it would help further their careers. We are looking at a record number of teams that are in need of head coaches. What better time to take a leap of faith and work toward the goal of a head coaching position. Football is no different than any business, in the sense that it is a business. If you look at Payton, he came here to be with Parcells. So did Carthon. Both owe a lot to Parcells in the opportunties that have come their way. Don't think for one minute, they don't know that. As for Zimmer, if he wanted out so bad, don't you think he would have jumped ship a year ago, verse working his butt off to learn and install a completely different defense? He did it, because the benefits of broadening his abilities, would one day pay off in the head-coaching arena. Zimmer is like any young coach who aspires to be a head coach in the National Football League, will look for opportunities as they arise. His time may not be this year, but he will get there one day...thanks in great part to his association with Parcells. If you are going to look negatively at every move made one or more of our coaches, at least do so honestly with other teams in the league as well. Not just over one season either...you have to go back several years. When you do, you will see it is what it is...a business where Coaches aspire to be more.

:hammer:

[Bob Sacamano]

Zimmer is not a young coach. He's close to 55. This may be as far as he goes in the NFL.

now you're nitpicking the age?

[TruBlueCowboy]

now you're nitpicking the age?

Not nitpicking. It's 50 year young, remember? :)

Just saying, she made it sound like he was a young coaching prospect. Nope, that was Payton. Zimmer is starting to fade into one of those career coordinators if ya know what I mean. Especially if those rumors on his interviews for NFL head coaching gigs are true. Hey, nothing wrong with that if you can have the success of a Monte Kiffin or Jim Johnson, some guys just weren't cut out for head coaching jobs.

[BigDFan5]

Zimmer is not a young coach. He's close to 55. This may be as far as he goes in the NFL.


ummm Zimmer is 49 still very young in NFL coaching standards

[AbeBeta]

ummm Zimmer is 49 still very young in NFL coaching standards

very young considering some of the other folks out there. hell, after the Bills get around to firing Jauron (likely week 9), Marv Levy will be coaching at 80 years old.

[Bob Sacamano]

Not nitpicking. It's 50 year young, remember? :)

Just saying, she made it sound like he was a young coaching prospect. Nope, that was Payton. Zimmer is starting to fade into one of those career coordinators if ya know what I mean. Especially if those rumors on his interviews for NFL head coaching gigs are true. Hey, nothing wrong with that if you can have the success of a Monte Kiffin or Jim Johnson, some guys just weren't cut out for head coaching jobs.

actually, how long Zimmer's been coaching in the NFL, he's considered a young coordinator, and I dont' see what him bombing interviews for HC jobs has to do with anything pertaining to this discussion

and what about guys such as TOdd Haley?

[Bob Sacamano]

ummm Zimmer is 49 still very young in NFL coaching standards

that, and his term in the NFL has been relatively short compared to others

[TruBlueCowboy]

ummm Zimmer is 49 still very young in NFL coaching standards

Well, I'm sure he still wants it to be 49, but it's 50. :p:

Look at some of the head coaches hired this year.

Eric Mangini, 35
Mike McCarthy, 42
Scott Linehan, 42
Sean Payton, 42

Not saying Zimmer still doesn't have plenty of years do to it but in today's league they keep getting younger.

[BigDFan5]

Well, I'm sure he still wants it to be 49, but it's 50. :p:

Look at some of the head coaches hired this year.

Eric Mangini, 35
Mike McCarthy, 42
Scott Linehan, 42
Sean Payton, 42

Not saying Zimmer still doesn't have plenty of years do to it but in today's league they keep getting younger.


ummm No its 49, he doesn't turn 50 until June