Would you give up a 2nd for Matt Schaub

[texastwister]

• The Atlanta Falcons are willing to part with backup QB Matt Schaub for a second-round pick. If the Bengals choose not to re-sign free agent Jon Kitna, Schaub could emerge as a candidate to bridge the gap until Carson Palmer's return from a left knee injury.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/bengals/daily/0130inside.html

[Qwickdraw]

Absolutely.

No doubt.

In a heartbeat.

In a second.

Without hesitation.

Before you could say "Romo".

[Doomsday101]

• The Atlanta Falcons are willing to part with backup QB Matt Schaub for a second-round pick. If the Bengals choose not to re-sign free agent Jon Kitna, Schaub could emerge as a candidate to bridge the gap until Carson Palmer's return from a left knee injury.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/bengals/daily/0130inside.html

You bet I would. I would be willing to give up a #1 for the guy but if all it takes is a #2 I'd be knocking on Alt door.

[Wheat]

Nope, I don't think he's worth it.

If you guys can get him for a 4th, or low 3rd rounder. That's a steal....and it would mean that there is some long term planning going on in Dallas.

Otherwise, you draft a guy and start Bledsoe for one more year.

[russ]

Not as close as this team is to the playoffs. We have a good quarterback and apparently a good backup. We have too many other needs (OL, Safety, WR, K, etc) to spend a second on a maybe at a quarterback.

[NYCowboy22]

I think a 2nd is a bit much for an unproven backup.

[Doomsday101]

I think a 2nd is a bit much for an unproven backup.

His skills are not that of a backup QB.

[Chuck 54]

No....if I was going to do that, I'd prefer drafting one. Matt Shaub doesn't win in Atlanta...thus all the talk about how great Vick is because his team wins with him and loses without him.

[Qwickdraw]

Nope, I don't think he's worth it.

If you guys can get him for a 4th, or low 3rd rounder. That's a steal....and it would mean that there is some long term planning going on in Dallas.

Otherwise, you draft a guy and start Bledsoe for one more year.
So a 3rd round pick for him is a steal but a 2nd is not worthy?

That doesn't make sense.

If he is a "steal" for a 3rd rounder than that would mean he is a 2nd round value.

And why do so many think that it is wiser to draft a QB than to get one just as young and potentially capable but has already played for an NFL team, learned an NFL offense, and shown success on the Big Field? With how many busts and misses come out of the draft at QB every year, give me an experienced potential youngin any day over a crapshoot.

Ridiculous, IMO.

[Rack Bauer]

No

way

in

hell.

[Letemburn]

Would give up a 3rd. No way to 2nd.

[Wheat]

So a 3rd round pick for him is a steal but a 2nd is not worthy?

That doesn't make sense.

If he is a "steal" for a 3rd rounder than that would mean he is a 2nd round value.

And why do so many think that it is wiser to draft a QB than to get one just as young and potentially capable but has already played for an NFL team, learned an NFL offense, and shown success on the Big Field? With how many busts and misses come out of the draft at QB every year, give me an experienced potential youngin any day over a crapshoot.

Ridiculous, IMO.


I didn't say "a low 3rd" by mistake.

[Doomsday101]

Once you get past the top 2 QB in this draft there is no one out there better that Schaub. A team would be getting a player who has had some success playing the position at the NFL level and is a lot closer to being a sure thing than a high priced rookie.

[Dayton Cowboy]

No, I would not make that trade. I think Schaub is best suited for the WCO. Even though we could use to get rid of the ball quicker, the 'Boys still like to throw the deep ball.

[VACowboy]

No....if I was going to do that, I'd prefer drafting one. Matt Shaub doesn't win in Atlanta...thus all the talk about how great Vick is because his team wins with him and loses without him.



That's not exactly true about Vick, at least anymore. He was different for a while but teams eventually figure everything out.

I'm a huge VA fan and I'd love to see Schaub in Dallas, but not for anything but next year's three, not this year.

[Qwickdraw]

So let me get this strait...
if Matt Schaub were in this year's draft, you wouldn't spend the #50 pick on him?:confused:

The guy who threw for 300 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INT against the Patriots?


This just reminds me why I'm glad some of you really aren't in a position to actually make team affecting decisions.

[Wheat]

If I were you guys. I would spend that #50 pick on a OL or Safety.

You have a QB.

[Doomsday101]

So if Matt Schaub were in this year's draft, you wouldn't spend the #50 pick on him?:confused:

The guy who threw for 300 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INT against the Patriots?


This just reminds me why I'm glad some of you really aren't in a position to actually make team affecting decisions.

What is funny is despite all the starts that Vick has, he has thrown for 300 yards 1 time. Schaub with only a couple of starts put up 300 on NE with 3 TD passes.

[Doomsday101]

If I were you guys. I would spend that #50 pick on a OL or Safety.

You have a QB.

We have a QB for a year or 2 waiting until he retires put us right back where we were when Troy Aikman retired.

[MinnesotaCowboy]

I would probably say "yes" unless they are finally going to give Romo or Henson a chance! Better yet, would Payton give up a 2nd for Romo?:rolleyes:

[Wheat]

fair enough.

let me take a few steps back.

With as much time as Vick misses....and if Schaub is as good as some folks here are saying. Why would Atl be willing to move him at all?

[Qwickdraw]

What is funny is despite all the starts that Vick has, he has thrown for 300 yards 1 time. Schaub with only a couple of starts put up 300 on NE with 3 TD passes.
I forgot to mention that he did it with Atlanta. One of the worst passing offenses in the NFL.

[Doomsday101]

fair enough.

let me take a few steps back.

With as much time as Vick misses....and if Schaub is as good as some folks here are saying. Why would Atl be willing to move him at all?

Because it is hard to keep 2 high priced players at 1 position. Atl trying to move him while he is still under contract makes more sense than losing him to FA. Also Alt history of QB is not that great, I seem to remember a backup QB they traded away to GB.

[Doomsday101]

I forgot to mention that he did it with Atlanta. One of the worst passing offenses in the NFL.

Schaub in that game did not seem to have a problem with the WR who most blame for Vicks poor outings throwing the ball. Everyone in Atl gets blamed for a poor passing game except for Mr. Vick.

[Qwickdraw]

This thread makes me wonder how many people have actually seen Schaub play.

Too many posters make bold statements about players they haven't even watched.
Why bother?

Maybe I'm the one of the only ones here that watches multiple games in their entirety on Sundays outside of my own team's.

[Wheat]

Because it is hard to keep 2 high priced players at 1 position. Atl trying to move him while he is still under contract makes more sense than losing him to FA. Also Alt history of QB is not that great, I seem to remember a backup QB they traded away to GB.


Then you guys better hush up, or they might read this board and decide to keep him.

So, you want to trade for him, and start him right away? make him sit for a year? give him a new contract? What's the plan?

[Qwickdraw]

Then you guys better hush up, or they might read this board and decide to keep him.

So, you want to trade for him, and start him right away? make him sit for a year? give him a new contract? What's the plan?
May the best man win going into Camp.
Period.

[Doomsday101]

Then you guys better hush up, or they might read this board and decide to keep him.

So, you want to trade for him, and start him right away? make him sit for a year? give him a new contract? What's the plan?

I would trade for him and have him compete for the job. Outside of Bledsoe Dallas is not looking overly strong at backup QB so even if Schaub had to sit for a year so what.

[Wheat]

but, would you give him a new deal right away? take a risk by giving him a fat bonus? Or would you wait and see, then risk letting him walk as a free agent?

xoxo

-Bufford (The guy who would like to see Jason Campbell fight for the starting job next year, even though I KNOW Brunell has got it locked up)

[Qwickdraw]

I would trade for him and have him compete for the job. Outside of Bledsoe Dallas is not looking overly strong at backup QB so even if Schaub had to sit for a year so what.
Looks like you and I are on the same page here, Doom.

[Doomsday101]

Looks like you and I are on the same page here, Doom.

Hey if Dallas was set at QB I would pass but the fact is outside of Bledsoe who chances are plays 1 or 2 more years we have major question marks. After watching Schaub both in pre-season and a couple of reg season games I would feel a lot better about our situation at QB both in the short and long term.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like Schuab but to be honest, I'd just a soon draft a kid like Olson or Croyle or Whitehurst in a later round. I think they all could end up being the same type of QB. JMO

[Doomsday101]

but, would you give him a new deal right away? take a risk by giving him a fat bonus? Or would you wait and see, then risk letting him walk as a free agent?

xoxo

-Bufford (The guy who would like to see Jason Campbell fight for the starting job next year, even though I KNOW Brunell has got it locked up)

Any time you bring in a player be it the draft of FA there are certain risk so yes I would give him a decent bonus and a new contract.

[Qwickdraw]

I like Schuab but to be honest, I'd just a soon draft a kid like Olson or Croyle or Whitehurst in a later round. I think they all could end up being the same type of QB. JMO
But thats just it.

One of them might. But the other 2 wont.

At least you have been able to see Schaub in action and he has shown great promise.

Why take the bigger gamble for the same potential payoff?

[Wheat]

I like Schuab but to be honest, I'd just a soon draft a kid like Olson or Croyle or Whitehurst in a later round. I think they all could end up being the same type of QB. JMO
I agree with you.

[texastwister]

The only diffence is Schuab has done well in" live " action. When you draft a rookie you have no idea what to expect from him. From what Ive seen of Matt he has a good arm decent accuracy and has pretty good wheel. They dont change the playbook when Matt plays. Still run bootlegs.
I posted the poll but not sure if I would trade a #2 for him(still sitting on the fence). Maybe a lower pick and a player if you could pull it off.

[ABQCOWBOY]

But thats just it.

One of them might. But the other 2 wont.

At least you have been able to see Schaub in action and he has shown great promise.

Why take the bigger gamble for the same potential payoff?

I don't agree with this. Schaub, while impressive in the opportunities he's had, is not a starter. He's thrown a total of 134 balls in the NFL. He's had two starts. His comp% is 49.3. 5 TDs vs 4 INTs. His QB rating is 68.8 lifetime. What does all this say? It says that it's inconclusive at this point. He could be Delhomme or he could be Chris Weinke. Point being Schaub, IMO, is far from a sure thing in the NFL. It's much different when your the starter. It's not like being the backup. A 2nd round pick should be a starter for you. We can draft a QB with much the same skill set as Schaub for much less. I would be in favor of this. Now, if we could get him cheaper, then I'd be all for that.

[Doomsday101]

I don't agree with this. Schaub, while impressive in the opportunities he's had, is not a starter. He's thrown a total of 134 balls in the NFL. He's had two starts. His comp% is 49.3. 5 TDs vs 4 INTs. His QB rating is 68.8 lifetime. What does all this say? It says that it's inconclusive at this point. He could be Delhomme or he could be Chris Weinke. Point being Schaub, IMO, is far from a sure thing in the NFL. It's much different when your the starter. It's not like being the backup. A 2nd round pick should be a starter for you. We can draft a QB with much the same skill set as Schaub for much less. I would be in favor of this. Now, if we could get him cheaper, then I'd be all for that.

all 4 ints came in his rookie season, this past season again with limited oppertunities played very well throwing for 4 TD and 0 ints. With a rookie you have no ideal what your going to get at least with Schaub he would come in with at least some experiance and some success.

[CactusCowboy]

Yes!!!!

[ABQCOWBOY]

all 4 ints came in his rookie season, this past season again with limited oppertunities played very well throwing for 4 TD and 0 ints. With a rookie you have no ideal what your going to get at least with Schaub he would come in with at least some experiance and some success.

Dooms, you know as well as I that 2 games started is not enough for teams to game plan you. It's just different when your the starter. I don't know how else to say it. It's just different. I acknowledge the fact that the 4 ints came in his rookie year but I would say that 64 attempts is not a good enough base line to say he's going to be a guy who can start and win in the NFL. To me, a 2nd is too much. For much less, I think we could bring in a very experienced back up and be in a much better position should Bledsoe go down.

[silverbear]

fair enough.

let me take a few steps back.

With as much time as Vick misses....and if Schaub is as good as some folks here are saying. Why would Atl be willing to move him at all?

Maybe they want a backup who's more similar to Vick in playing style, i.e., a scrambler... Schaub is most assuredly a pure pocket passer, so when he comes into the ball game, the Falcons have to radically change their offensive approach...

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, you know as well as I that 2 games started is not enough for teams to game plan you. It's just different when your the starter. I don't know how else to say it. It's just different. I acknowledge the fact that the 4 ints came in his rookie year but I would say that 64 attempts is not a good enough base line to say he's going to be a guy who can start and win in the NFL. To me, a 2nd is too much. For much less, I think we could bring in a very experienced back up and be in a much better position should Bledsoe go down.

I'm basing it on what I have seen both in pre-season and reg season and I don't think a 2nd is too much for a QB like Schaub. I like him and think he has a very good future ahead of him and would love to see him in Dallas I been saying this since Vick was given his contract extention at that point I knew Atl would be looking to trade him. I'm not looking for just a backup but someone I feel will be a very good starter in this league for a long time.

[CaptainAmerica]

I would do this deal in a heartbeat!!! This franchise WILL NOT progress forward until we get a good, young, efficient QB who can make plays and put points on the board.

Schaub is a very good QB who was highly thought of coming out of Virginia and has done very well in pre-season and other opportunities he's been given.

For those of you who don't put a lot of stock in such performances I'll give you this example...do you remember a few years ago there was a QB, who every pre-season looked very good and moved his team on a consistent basis?
His name was Matt Hasslebeck and he's going to be playing in the Super Bowl this Sunday.

Something tells me Schaub could be another Matt Hasselbeck. He reminds me of him a lot!

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm basing it on what I have seen both in pre-season and reg season and I don't think a 2nd is too much for a QB like Schaub. I like him and think he has a very good future ahead of him and would love to see him in Dallas I been saying this since Vick was given his contract extention at that point I knew Atl would be looking to trade him. I'm not looking for just a backup but someone I feel will be a very good starter in this league for a long time.


If we're looking for a starter, then I would be even more against it. I like Schaub but I do think he's limited. His arm is not prototypical. His mobility is average, at best, IMO. He is intelligent and he has intangibles but as a starter, I believe he will be hard pressed to win games for you. I want our starter to be able to put pressure on the defense with the ability to make a play in the passing game but also with his mobility. I don't see Schaub as this player. I like him but not as a starter and not for a 2nd round pick. JMO

[Doomsday101]

If we're looking for a starter, then I would be even more against it. I like Schaub but I do think he's limited. His arm is not prototypical. His mobility is average, at best, IMO. He is intelligent and he has intangibles but as a starter, I believe he will be hard pressed to win games for you. I want our starter to be able to put pressure on the defense with the ability to make a play in the passing game but also with his mobility. I don't see Schaub as this player. I like him but not as a starter and not for a 2nd round pick. JMO

If I did not think he could be a starter I would not want him. I'm not looking for the next backup and I do think Schaub has what it takes to be a good starting QB in this league.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would do this deal in a heartbeat!!! This franchise WILL NOT progress forward until we get a good, young, efficient QB who can make plays and put points on the board.

Schaub is a very good QB who was highly thought of coming out of Virginia and has done very well in pre-season and other opportunities he's been given.

For those of you who don't put a lot of stock in such performances I'll give you this example...do you remember a few years ago there was a QB, who every pre-season looked very good and moved his team on a consistent basis?
His name was Matt Hasslebeck and he's going to be playing in the Super Bowl this Sunday.

Something tells me Schaub could be another Matt Hasselbeck. He reminds me of him a lot!


Coming out of Virginia, most people felt as if Schaub was not athletic, with and adequate arm. Very smart QB with intagibles. A good backup QB. I think he's probably a little bit better then that but I would not call him a franchise guy by any stretch. At least, not at this point. I think Matt Hasselbeck is and was physically superior. Hasselbeck has a very good arm with above average mobility. To me, he's superior in both regards to Schaub.

[RealCowboyfan]

Yeah only if Bledsoe not going to start... otherwise.. I say no..:starspin

[superpunk]

Right now, we need second rounders (despite recent failures) to be impact players for us. Schaub wouldn't fit that description, not while we have Bledsoe, who he would not supplant. If we had a dire need at QB, I'd say go for it, at least he's seen game action. As our team stands now, that would be a mistake.

[Doomsday101]

Right now, we need second rounders (despite recent failures) to be impact players for us. Schaub wouldn't fit that description, not while we have Bledsoe, who he would not supplant. If we had a dire need at QB, I'd say go for it, at least he's seen game action. As our team stands now, that would be a mistake.

If Bledsoe was going to play for 3 to 5 more years I would agree but Dallas not having a legit QB to step in is what we failed to do when Troy was here so we spent the next few years looking for a QB. Repeating mistakes is not the way to go.

[TruBlueCowboy]

If we're giving up 2nd rounders for backup QBs and hoping they can become our franchise QB, I'd rather have the guy in Jacksonville.

[superpunk]

If Bledsoe was going to play for 3 to 5 more years I would agree but Dallas not having a legit QB to step in is what we failed to do when Troy was here so we spent the next few years looking for a QB. Repeating mistakes is not the way to go.

Neither is giving up too much in a trade for a position we have no needs in. Noone can speak with any authority on the status of Romo or Henson, who knows how they will work out. If we want another backup, do it in the draft, but don't mortgage picks beforehand.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess I just don't see how Schaub would be that much different then Chris Simms when he was available. Nobody on this board would have given a 2nd round pick for him. Nobody. How can we justify giving one for Schaub? I just don't see it.

[Doomsday101]

Neither is giving up too much in a trade for a position we have no needs in. Noone can speak with any authority on the status of Romo or Henson, who knows how they will work out. If we want another backup, do it in the draft, but don't mortgage picks beforehand.

Based on what others have done with the likes of Trent Green and Hasslebeck I don't think it is too much of an asking price. As for our current backups I'm not ready to put all my eggs in their basket. All I can say is I like what I have seen in Schaub since he entered the Pros. I also don't think trading a 2nd is close to mortgaging the future.

[speedkilz88]

Neither is giving up too much in a trade for a position we have no needs in. Noone can speak with any authority on the status of Romo or Henson, who knows how they will work out. If we want another backup, do it in the draft, but don't mortgage picks beforehand.Actually Parcells can, and he already thinks he has a Schaub in Romo and Henson makes a great developmental guy. Schaub does not fit here, this is all about the grass being greener on the other side.


Miami got sucked into this belief a couple seasons ago and traded a 2nd for AJ Feeley. The guy looked good in Philly, isn't anything better than they already had.

[Doomsday101]

This has nothing to do with the grass being greener on the other side as you said it has to do with watching Schaub play the game and based off what I have seen in pre-season and reg season I like him a lot and have said so many times in the past. As for how Bill feels about Romo I don't think anyone knows for sure how Bill honestly feels about either of these guys and their future with the team.

[superpunk]

Based on what others have done with the likes of Trent Green and Hasslebeck I don't think it is too much of an asking price. As for our current backups I'm not ready to put all my eggs in their basket. All I can say is I like what I have seen in Schaub since he entered the Pros. I also don't think trading a 2nd is close to mortgaging the future.

How many eggs do we need? We have Henson, who we gave a third for. We have Romo, who Parcells is enamored with. We have Bledsoe, who can probably play another two years. What good would giving up a draft pick (meant to be used on an impact player) for a player who's going to sit for two years, minimum? There is NO need for a move like that.

And I didn't mean that a trade like this would devastate the future of the Dallas Cowboys. I said don't mortgage picks, not "Don't mortgage our future." A move like that would be stupid for a team with so many needs at LB and OL, two positions this draft has very good depth at.

[superpunk]

Actually Parcells can, and he already thinks he has a Schaub in Romo and Henson makes a great developmental guy.

Exactly. There is almost NO difference between the 3 QBs. ONLY Parcells can speak with any authority about the differences between them, and he obviously likes the guys we have here already.

[superpunk]

As for how Bill feels about Romo I don't think anyone knows for sure how Bill honestly feels about either of these guys and their future with the team.

When speaking with the Seattle media, BP was answering questions about the two Drews. After those questions were asked, BP coy-ly remarked that "He has another one down here that you guys don't know about, who's pretty good." He likes Romo. Why? I don't know, and we won't know for a couple years, but he does like him alot.

[Doomsday101]

How many eggs do we need? We have Henson, who we gave a third for. We have Romo, who Parcells is enamored with. We have Bledsoe, who can probably play another two years. What good would giving up a draft pick (meant to be used on an impact player) for a player who's going to sit for two years, minimum? There is NO need for a move like that.

And I didn't mean that a trade like this would devastate the future of the Dallas Cowboys. I said don't mortgage picks, not "Don't mortgage our future." A move like that would be stupid for a team with so many needs at LB and OL, two positions this draft has very good depth at.

At least 1 that has a decent chance. I see Romo as nothing more than a backup and Henson a project that may or may not pan out. I think the dumbest move is to once again do what we did when Aikman was here and that was we failed to have his replacement in the wings so we ened up with poor QB's and rejects like Leaf. You don't wait until your starting QB retires not at that position.

[ABQCOWBOY]

At least 1 that has a decent chance. I see Romo as nothing more than a backup and Henson a project that may or may not pan out. I think the dumbest move is to once again do what we did when Aikman was here and that was we failed to have his replacement in the wings so we ened up with poor QB's and rejects like Leaf. You don't wait until your starting QB retires not at that position.

I agree with this, which is why I am an advocate of drafting a guy later.

[Doomsday101]

I agree with this, which is why I am an advocate of drafting a guy later.

Get past the top 3 QB's and sorry I don't think this is great QB class.

[CowboysFan28]

NO ...in about 57 different languages.

[superpunk]

At least 1 that has a decent chance. I see Romo as nothing more than a backup and Henson a project that may or may not pan out. I think the dumbest move is to once again do what we did when Aikman was here and that was we failed to have his replacement in the wings so we ened up with poor QB's and rejects like Leaf. You don't wait until your starting QB retires not at that position.

You can see the two of them as whatever you want. All that matters is what BP sees, and it seems like he likes what he sees.

[Doomsday101]

You can see the two of them as whatever you want. All that matters is what BP sees, and it seems like he likes what he sees.

I agree however as pointed out on a reg basis around here this board is about giving opinions or was that another board I was thinking about? LOL

[speedkilz88]

At least 1 that has a decent chance. I see Romo as nothing more than a backup and Henson a project that may or may not pan out. I think the dumbest move is to once again do what we did when Aikman was here and that was we failed to have his replacement in the wings so we ened up with poor QB's and rejects like Leaf. You don't wait until your starting QB retires not at that position.Romo and Henson would have been ideal backups to replace Aikman. They didn't have anything behind Aikman in development in his last years.

[Doomsday101]

Romo and Henson would have been ideal backups to replace Aikman. They didn't have anything behind Aikman in development in his last years.

Maybe, maybe not. Based on Pre-season I have questions about them a lot more than I do with Schaub.

[visionary]

When speaking with the Seattle media, BP was answering questions about the two Drews. After those questions were asked, BP coy-ly remarked that "He has another one down here that you guys don't know about, who's pretty good." He likes Romo. Why? I don't know, and we won't know for a couple years, but he does like him alot.

i am hoping we may know more a lot sooner. remember that even though we may (or may not) have a new OC this will be DBs second year in BPs system. my guess is he plays a lot less in pre-season since he is a vet QB who would be familiar with the system, which means that Romo and Henson will see a lot more action. this will likely include at least a few extended outings in pre-season and is part of why i am excited about this pre-season. i really believe that this pre-season answers some of our "future QB questions.

[baj1dallas]

His skills are not that of a backup QB.

He's never looked any better than a backup to me. He's got a mediocre arm and I doubt he could carry a team if it needed him to. Doesn't look good under pressure.

[Doomsday101]

He's never looked any better than a backup to me. He's got a mediocre arm and I doubt he could carry a team if it needed him to. Doesn't look good under pressure.

Well that is your opinion I just don't agree with it.

[ravidubey]

Yes I would and for obvious reasons.

[superpunk]

I agree however as pointed out on a reg basis around here this board is about giving opinions or was that another board I was thinking about? LOL

Opinions should be based on something. The only thing you're basing your opinion of the backups on is the fact that you haven't seen them. I'd rather base my opinion of them on things Parcells has said, and the fact that he keeps them on board.

[Doomsday101]

Opinions should be based on something. The only thing you're basing your opinion of the backups on is the fact that you haven't seen them. I'd rather base my opinion of them on things Parcells has said, and the fact that he keeps them on board.

I'm basing it on watching him play that is what I'm basing it on, if you disagree then fine that is your opinion but I know what I have seen from him and I like what I see. I have seen Romo play in Pre-season as well and he may have moxie but in my book moxie does not mean much. Henson I feel has the physical tools but to me it appears the speed of the game is still something he is trying to overcome. I also know Bill is has been in no hurry to play either of our backups

[dbair1967]

So let me get this strait...
if Matt Schaub were in this year's draft, you wouldn't spend the #50 pick on him?:confused:

The guy who threw for 300 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INT against the Patriots?
.

I like Schaub but that was only one game, and the Pats were playing terrible defense at the time

he's had some other regular season game appearances and didnt look good in those

I'd have to say I wouldnt give up a 2nd for him right now simply because he isnt going to be the starter here, Bledsoe is unless he gets hurt

David

[superpunk]

I'm basing it on watching him play that is what I'm basing it on, if you disagree then fine that is your opinion but I know what I have seen from him and I like what I see. I have seen Romo play in Pre-season as well and he may have moxie but in my book moxie does not mean much. Henson I feel has the physical tools but to me it appears the speed of the game is still something he is trying to overcome. I also know Bill is has been in no hurry to play either of our backups

So, you would much rather have Schaub, someone I'm wagering you haven't seen much more than 1 game of play from, than either of our backups? Even though Parcells, who sees them everyday in practice, has such glowing praise for Romo? I'm not claiming either of our backups are gonna be world beaters, but Schaub has done nothing to indicate that he is any sort of special talent. I hardly consider having a decent day against a dreadful NE secondary a glowing resume....

[Doomsday101]

So, you would much rather have Schaub, someone I'm wagering you haven't seen much more than 1 game of play from, than either of our backups? Even though Parcells, who sees them everyday in practice, has such glowing praise for Romo? I'm not claiming either of our backups are gonna be world beaters, but Schaub has done nothing to indicate that he is any sort of special talent. I hardly consider having a decent day against a dreadful NE secondary a glowing resume....

I have seen him play more than 1 game and at this stage I'm not ready to put all my eggs in one basket as in Romo or Henson. Lastly we have no ideal of what opinion Bill may have of other QB around the league including Schaub in comparison to what we currently have on the roster . When Vinny was let go I did not see Bill turn to Romo or Henson. So your speculation is no better than mine unless you called Bill and asked him his opinion on Schaub.

[Alexander]

No

way

in

hell.

So, since a second round choice is so valuable--would you people who don't like the idea trade Jacob Rogers for Schaub?

How about Al Johnson?

It is not like we have a great history recently with second round choices.

A second round choice for a promising young QB who has shown he is a legitimate QB is pittance. And I am sure if we wanted him, Al Groh could tell Coach Parcells all about him.

[Alexander]

Once you get past the top 2 QB in this draft there is no one out there better that Schaub. A team would be getting a player who has had some success playing the position at the NFL level and is a lot closer to being a sure thing than a high priced rookie.

Absolutely.

If the idea is to get a backup this year for a possible 2007/2008 debut, then Schaub for a second round pick makes more sense than Brodie Croyle or Omar Jacobs. He is already used to the speed of the game and could start tomorrow if needed.

[superpunk]

I have seen him play more than 1 game and at this stage I'm not ready to put all my eggs in one basket as in Romo or Henson. Lastly we have no ideal of what opinion Bill may have of other QB around the league including Schaub in comparison to what we currently have on the roster . When Vinny was let go I did not see Bill turn to Romo or Henson. So your speculation is no better than mine unless you called Bill and asked him his opinion on Schaub.

He's already given his opinion on the two QBs already on the roster. I don't need his opinion on Schaub, but if I did, it would probably go something like this;

"I like the player."

The fact that he is sticking with developing Romo and Henson, combined with the praise of Romo I shared with you earlier, tells me that he sees something in them. Thus, a move for Schaub is VERY unlikely, especially at that cost.

[superpunk]

So, since a second round choice is so valuable--would you people who don't like the idea trade Jacob Rogers for Schaub?

How about Al Johnson?

Just cuz we've screwed up before (and the jury's still out on those players, BTW) doesn't mean we should trade away a draft pick out of fear of screwing up again.

[Alexander]

Just cuz we've screwed up before (and the jury's still out on those players, BTW) doesn't mean we should trade away a draft pick out of fear of screwing up again.

My point was not that we should fear making a bad second round choice.

It was the idea that a second round pick is not nearly as valuable as you would think given our recent history with them (forgot about how the Burnett pick is looking now also).

If that is all a potential future starting QB costs, then by all means you should take it.

[Doomsday101]

He's already given his opinion on the two QBs already on the roster. I don't need his opinion on Schaub, but if I did, it would probably go something like this;

"I like the player."

The fact that he is sticking with developing Romo and Henson, combined with the praise of Romo I shared with you earlier, tells me that he sees something in them. Thus, a move for Schaub is VERY unlikely, especially at that cost.

You don't need his opinion on other players? OK Bill said a lot of good things about Vinny but I don't see Vinny on the team any longer. The fact is we don't know what may be in the future at QB and Bill like any coach can and will change their minds if they get a chance to bring in another player who they feel is better than what they currently have.

[Yeagermeister]

Until the oline is fixed we could put Superman at qb and it wouldn't matter.

[superpunk]

My point was not that we should fear making a bad second round choice.

It was the idea that a second round pick is not nearly as valuable as you would think given our recent history with them (forgot about how the Burnett pick is looking now also).

If that is all a potential future starting QB costs, then by all means you should take it.

Our potential future starting QB is already on the roster. No need to waste a pick that we could hit big on. Why so quick to label these second and first year players busts? I'll give ya Rogers, but even he could still work out. Bradie James was considered a bust before this year, now he looks like our starting ILB for years to come. Don't be so quick to label and pass judgement on these young players.

[Doomsday101]

Until the oline is fixed we could put Superman at qb and it wouldn't matter.

I agree. However that should not prevent looking ahead to the future at a very critical position as QB is.

[Yeagermeister]

I agree. However that should not prevent looking ahead to the future at a very critical position as QB is.
I agree on that but I think a second might be a little high. A third yes. Our second needs to be spent on a starter such as a FS, LB, or Oline.

Also one of the reasons, and not a good one, that we didn't have a replacement for Aikman was no cap room.

[Doomsday101]

I agree on that but I think a second might be a little high. A third yes. Our second needs to be spent on a starter such as a FS, LB, or Oline.

As mentioned I like Schaub and have for a while so in my opinion if your high on a QB he is worth it. It tends to be a hard position to fill more so than anyother.

[superpunk]

You don't need his opinion on other players? OK Bill said a lot of good things about Vinny but I don't see Vinny on the team any longer. The fact is we don't know what may be in the future at QB and Bill like any coach can and will change their minds if they get a chance to bring in another player who they feel is better than what they currently have.

I already summed up what his opinion would be....fact is he's already given his opinion on Romo, and to a certain extent Henson. I'm sure we'd all love it if he were to come right out and say "This kid is gonna kill the elague, bank on it." But, that's not gonna happen. His continual grooimng of the two of them, coupled with the small bit of praise for Romo (that's pretty much ALL you'll ever get out of Parcells) should be enough for fans to go on, and not lust after other team's players because they looked decent against a team with the second worst secondary in the league.

[Alexander]

Don't be so quick to label and pass judgement on these young players.

:laugh2:

Didn't you just say this:
Schaub has done nothing to indicate that he is any sort of special talent.

I find it incredible that it is bad to pass judgment on Romo, but yet condemn a player like Schaub who has actually taken a snap in a game that counts and has played very well.

[superpunk]

:laugh2:

Didn't you just say this:
Schaub has done nothing to indicate that he is any sort of special talent.

I find it incredible that it is bad to pass judgment on Romo, but yet condemn a player like Schaub who has actually taken a snap in a game that counts and has played very well.

How does stating that a player has done nothing of yet to give any indication that he will be special qualify as passing judgement on them? If anything, my stance (and the above statement) on Schaub is one of "wait-and-see" attitude, rather than condemning him. You're way off on that one, dude.

[Chuck 54]

Once you get past the top 2 QB in this draft there is no one out there better that Schaub. A team would be getting a player who has had some success playing the position at the NFL level and is a lot closer to being a sure thing than a high priced rookie.
For the record:

Schaub has a total of 2 NFL starts in 2 years, but has played due to Vick's injuries.

year 1 = 47% = 330 yards
year 2 = 51% = 495 yards

Total = 5 td and 4 int....6 yards per attempt....career QB rating of 68.

He could become a serious player in this league in the future, but I don't see what the heck anyone's seen that has them all excited about him unless it's some sort of phony name recognition thing. I'd rather draft a young QB in round 2, but the bottom line is we're probably going to keep the same 3 QBs next year that we had this year....especially if they actually believe Romo is starting material.

[Chuck 54]

That's not exactly true about Vick, at least anymore. He was different for a while but teams eventually figure everything out.

I'm a huge VA fan and I'd love to see Schaub in Dallas, but not for anything but next year's three, not this year.
I agree 100%, but my point wasn't that it proves Vick's worth...just that the fact the argument even gets made doesn't say much for when Schaub's in there.

[blindzebra]

I really don't get the fascination with this guy.

HE IS A WCO QB, PEOPLE!

He played that system in college, he plays it in Atlanta, and guess what? WE DON'T RUN A WCO.

You want to know what he'd be like in Dallas?

Think Jeff Garcia in Cleveland.

[neosapien23]

I really don't get the fascination with this guy.

HE IS A WCO QB, PEOPLE!

He played that system in college, he plays it in Atlanta, and guess what? WE DON'T RUN A WCO.

You want to know what he'd be like in Dallas?

Think Jeff Garcia in Cleveland.

Not necessarily. It all depends on his arm strength. If he as an arm like Garcia than you would be correct. I think a 2nd is too much for him, but Greg Ellis for him straight up would be a good trade for both teams.

[Alexander]

HE IS A WCO QB, PEOPLE!

:eek:

A WCO QB!

OH HEAVENS NO! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WCO COACH AROUND TO HAVE A PLAYER AROUND LIKE THAT!

:rolleyes:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Get past the top 3 QB's and sorry I don't think this is great QB class.


I actually think this is a pretty good QB class. Last four seasons, the NFL has averaged 3 to 4 QBs, taken in the first round, each year. I think this year, you'll have the same. Last year, you had 3 in the 1st and 3 in the 3rd. In 2004 you had, 4 in the 1st and 1 in the 3rd. In 2003 you had 4 in the 1st and 2 in the 3rd. 2002 you had 3 in the 1st and 1 in the 3rd. This year I think you have Young, Leinart, Cutler and possibly Whitehurst in the first, just depending. First day QBs you might have Jacobs, Croyle, Stanton and possibly Olson depending on combines. That doesn't count any of the small school guys or Vick, who could have easily been a first day pick if he had any grey matter, at all. I definatly think the talent in this years class is better then last years. JMO but I do think this is as good a class,on average, as the last few years. 83 it aint but not too bad.

[hardcorebob]

I'd make the trade for the 2nd or trade a player straight up for him ASAP. Then I'd put Henson up for trade for a 3-4 round pick and come out a hell of a lot better off than before. Once Bledsoe retires in 1-2 years you got your starting QB material or a great battle between Shaub and Romo to be the starter.

[Doomsday101]

For the record:

Schaub has a total of 2 NFL starts in 2 years, but has played due to Vick's injuries.

year 1 = 47% = 330 yards
year 2 = 51% = 495 yards

Total = 5 td and 4 int....6 yards per attempt....career QB rating of 68.

He could become a serious player in this league in the future, but I don't see what the heck anyone's seen that has them all excited about him unless it's some sort of phony name recognition thing. I'd rather draft a young QB in round 2, but the bottom line is we're probably going to keep the same 3 QBs next year that we had this year....especially if they actually believe Romo is starting material.

I think to get a quality QB in this draft you will need a high #1 to get him after that I think it gets very iffy and honestly I think even the 2 top QB's in this draft come with some real question marks. I don't think Schaub is a finished product I think he still has a lot to learn but I also think if you had to throw him out there tomorrow he could do the job. Right now I don't have that feeling from our current QB's. I'm not saying our young guys will not develope but I think Schaub is way ahead of both of our guys and will be ready to take a starting role sooner than Romo or Henson.

[Idgit]

A second round choice for a promising young QB who has shown he is a legitimate QB is pittance. And I am sure if we wanted him, Al Groh could tell Coach Parcells all about him.

It's a safe assumption that we'd have Groh's input if we didn't want him, too.

If we reportedly turned down, at the least, the NYJ high 3rd for Romo this year, I don't see why we'd turn around and send our own 2 to Atlanta. We're in a better position at QB right now than we've been at any time since we had a young Aikman/Garrett combo.

[Qwickdraw]

Great debate going here.
And the poll is split directly down the middle 50/50.

Very interesting.

I would have chimed in more but Doomsday101 (and Alexander) have pretty much said everything that I would have, exactly.

I still wonder how many of those who oppose this idea have actually watched Schaub in more than a game or two.
Those of us who are for it have obviously seen his 2-4 NFL games but have also seen him play 8 games in two preseasons as well as college.

[Doomsday101]

Great debate going here.
And the poll is split directly down the middle 50/50.

Very interesting.

I would have chimed in more but Doomsday101 (and Alexander) have pretty much said everything that I would have, exactly.

I still wonder how many of those who oppose this idea have actually watched Schaub in more than a game or two.
Those of us who are for it have obviously seen his 2-4 NFL games but have also seen him play 8 games in two preseasons as well as college.

A good debate around here is any discussion that takes place without name calling. I respect the fact that not all agree with my position on Schaub that does not change how I feel nor are my arguments going to change their views.

[Hostile]

The results of this poll are shocking to me.

[Qwickdraw]

The results of this poll are shocking to me.
Which way did you vote, Hos?

[Hostile]

Which way did you vote, Hos?I'm not all that impressed with Schaub.

[Qwickdraw]

I'm not all that impressed with Schaub.
loud and clear.

[demdcowboys#1]

Yes sir

[big dog cowboy]

Just voted and I can't believe it. 94-94? Has that ever happened before?

[Qwickdraw]

WOW.:eek:

97-97.



AMAZING.:confused: :eek:

[dwmyers]

His skills are not that of a backup QB.

Sorry, but I remember his Senior Bowl. He isn't worth a second. There will be rookie quarterbacks as good as Matt in the second round of this draft.