Would Jerry Jones Intervene if........

[Clove]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?

[Yeagermeister]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?

A situation similar to that has already happened when Stephen Jackson fell to us and we traded the pick.

[silver]

dont know about cutler but there's no way young or leinart falls to us, unelss they're arrested shooting heroin or something like that.

[conner01]

i don't think bill is thinking short term. he loaeded the defense with young talent last year, but if that happened i suspect we would trade down. i really think jerry atleast wants a playmaking wr

[CrazyCowboy]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?

NO, Mr. Jones has promised BP it is his show.....and that is it.

[AbeBeta]

A situation similar to that has already happened when Stephen Jackson fell to us and we traded the pick.

He didn't exactly fall. He was a guy who many teams projected as a late first rounder.

[Clove]

If Leinart was sitting at 18, I think Jerry Jones would drool over himself and things would get tense in the war room.

[austintodallas]

I actually think BP might acquiesce to Jerry if it's Young or Leinart, but that's about it.

[Bob Sacamano]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?

interesting thought, but Jerry loves Henson, so I don't think so

IMO of course

[baj1dallas]

Jerry's target is just as short term as Bill's.

[lshaver22]

A situation similar to that has already happened when Stephen Jackson fell to us and we traded the pick.

Good move. I would have passed on a shooting guard, too. The Boys didn't have a hole in the back court. Plus, he's goes into the stands after fans. Kind of a malcontent, if you ask me.

[AbeBeta]

If that happens -- and you can't make a trade -- I don't think we take the guy.

looking at the draft though -- it might be hard to make a trade as almost every team below us doesn't have a pressing QB need.

[kingwhicker]

It would be absolutely foolish of BP to pass on any of them if they are available at 18, especially Leinart.

[AbeBeta]

It would be absolutely foolish of BP to pass on any of them if they are available at 18, especially Leinart.

well, that really depends on who else is there. if someone like Ferguson also dropped it would be even more foolish to pass on him

[1fisher]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?


I hate the term "sexy" when referred to football.....sounds gay!

[ConcordCowboy]

I want Henson...But if Leinart is there at 18...Jerry better beat Bill over the head and make the pick.

[Bob Sacamano]

I want Henson...But if Leinart is there at 18...Jerry better beat Bill over the head and make the pick.

well, according to the Bill bashers, Bill will be the one beating Jerry over the head if Leinart or Young drops to 18, cuz remember, Bill hates Henson, and Jerry forced the move on him ;)

but we know Bill hates young QBs, so this is all moot

[stiletto]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?


I think it all depends on how Henson does in Europe.... he will have already played a few games by draft time.

[AbeBeta]

well, according to the Bill bashers, Bill will be the one beating Jerry over the head if Leinart or Young drops to 18, cuz remember, Bill hates Henson, and Jerry forced the move on him ;)

but we know Bill hates young QBs, so this is all moot

that's funny -- b/c some stories at the time noted that Bill was very much interested in Henson and he kept checking in with Jerry leading up to the trade to see if progress was being made. Bill's manner with young qb's is universally gruff. it doesn't mean anything

[Hostile]

well, according to the Bill bashers, Bill will be the one beating Jerry over the head if Leinart or Young drops to 18, cuz remember, Bill hates Henson, and Jerry forced the move on him ;)

but we know Bill hates young QBs, so this is all mootBut, I'm called a Bill basher and I don't believe this at all. In fact I "testified" that during the pre season game against the Cardinals that Bill was smiling and patting him on the shoulders and said "good job."

[AbeBeta]

hey, I said according to the BIll bashers

last sentence was sarcasm, should have put a smiley face

no I got you -- I was just being sarcastic in response to what the bashers believe

and no smiley faces -- ever. that's sarcasm for dummies.

[Bob Sacamano]

But, I'm called a Bill basher

quiet you!
























don't hurt me

[Bob Sacamano]

no I got you -- I was just being sarcastic in response to what the bashers believe

and no smiley faces -- ever. that's sarcasm for dummies.

what? I didn't say anything ;)

[Clove]

I hate the term "sexy" when referred to football.....sounds gay!How about exotic?:laugh2:

[AbeBeta]

I hate the term "sexy" when referred to football.....sounds gay!

So I'm guessing the pairing of "gay" and "cowboy" doesn't sit well with you either. better not watch the oscars then.

[dbair1967]

For some strange miracle reason, Leinart, Young, or Cutler fell to us at 18?

Jerry thinking more of the long term success for the Cowboys, while Bill Parcells' is thinking of the short term goals. Jerry has never liked passing over sexy draft choices.

What if BP still chose some other player over one of these guys, would He and Jerry Jones finally go foot to throat? What about us as well?

I know its hard for some of you to understand, but after three years have some of you really not got it?

BILL PARCELLS PICKS EVERY PLAYER

BILL PARCELLS MAKES EVERY PERSONNEL DECISION

JERRY HAS GIVEN 110% FULL CONTROL TO BP

If BP wants a QB, they will take a QB...if he doesnt, then they wont...period.

David

[Bob Sacamano]

I know its hard for some of you to understand, but after three years have some of you really not got it?

BILL PARCELLS PICKS EVERY PLAYER

BILL PARCELLS MAKES EVERY PERSONNEL DECISION

JERRY HAS GIVEN 110% FULL CONTROL TO BP

If BP wants a QB, they will take a QB...if he doesnt, then they wont...period.

David

and I wouldn't have it any other way :D

[Clove]

If one of those players fell to us, our trade possibilities would be so enormous.

[Clove]

I know its hard for some of you to understand, but after three years have some of you really not got it?

BILL PARCELLS PICKS EVERY PLAYER

BILL PARCELLS MAKES EVERY PERSONNEL DECISION

JERRY HAS GIVEN 110% FULL CONTROL TO BP

If BP wants a QB, they will take a QB...if he doesnt, then they wont...period.

DavidI sort of agree with you, but I've heard Jerry say on several occasions that he has to look out for the best interest of the long term future and goals of this team.

[Bob Sacamano]

I sort of agree with you, but I've heard Jerry say on several occasions that he has to look out for the best interest of the long term future and goals of this team.

good point, and Jerry has also said that he and BIll have a great working relationship, there's no such thing as a working relationship w/o a little give and take, and by nature, Jerry feels he's a talent evaluator, so you know he has his input thrown in there when it comes to personnel moves, FA/draft

[1fisher]

So I'm guessing the pairing of "gay" and "cowboy" doesn't sit well with you either. better not watch the oscars then.


I'm seeing a trend with you asonc.........

[1fisher]

How about exotic?:laugh2:

"potential great"
"top"
"high"

something other than sexy...... sounds like the war room is a lingerie shop!

[superpunk]

Good move. I would have passed on a shooting guard, too. The Boys didn't have a hole in the back court. Plus, he's goes into the stands after fans. Kind of a malcontent, if you ask me.

:lmao:

[demdcowboys#1]

I hate the term "sexy" when referred to football.....sounds gay!

Yeah i agree!!!

[VirusX]

dont know about cutler but there's no way young or leinart falls to us, unelss they're arrested shooting heroin or something like that.
They are saying Leinart might pull an Aaron Rogers this year and slide to mid-late 1st rnd.

[lshaver22]

I know its hard for some of you to understand, but after three years have some of you really not got it?

BILL PARCELLS PICKS EVERY PLAYER

BILL PARCELLS MAKES EVERY PERSONNEL DECISION

JERRY HAS GIVEN 110% FULL CONTROL TO BP

If BP wants a QB, they will take a QB...if he doesnt, then they wont...period.

David

All caps? You get really intense about this stuff, don't you? Have you ever thought of less taxing hobbies, maybe knitting or embroidery? Seriously, this can't be good for your blood pressure.

[ConcordCowboy]

well, according to the Bill bashers, Bill will be the one beating Jerry over the head if Leinart or Young drops to 18, cuz remember, Bill hates Henson, and Jerry forced the move on him ;)

but we know Bill hates young QBs, so this is all moot

I'm a Bill Basher...So Jerry does the head knocking this time...Can't trust Bill with developing the Future QB of the Cowboys.

Remember he's too old to lose...Which means no young QB's...Which means no Leinart to him.

Draft day War Room:

Jerry: Bill... Leinart's there for the taking!

Bill: Jerry you know I'm to old to lose and I don't have time to develope any young QB's before I leave!


:anvil:


Jerry turns in the card for Leinart!:D

[Kittymama]

Just out of curiousity--why are people so convinced that Leinart will amount to anything? Seriously (& this has nothing to do with Parcells/Jerry/winning now, etc.), how do you know that Leinart OR Young are any better than Henson, Romo, or possibly the Cowboys picking up someone like Ramsey? Other than that they're "names" who are currently in the news.

Frankly, if they're going to take a risk with a QB, I'd argue for Ramsey (who I still think we will sign, BTW--I predict we sign Ramsey & trade Henson). Maybe even Tim Hasselbeck. Those are guys who may not be sexy (in a non "Brokeback Mountain" kind of way) but have as much potential as Leinart or Young right now. I think Ramsey is a perfect Parcells QB & would do well under him. He's the kind of kid who won't lose games, is tough (he got the s*** beat out of him under Spurrier), smart, & really wants to play. Parcells can do with him what he did with Vinny while at the Jets--doesn't ask him to win games, just not to lose them. Worked out pretty well with the Jets (& has for Roethlisberger too).

Some stat-hound--I'd love to see research on how many QB "names" panned out when they were top-round draft picks (Akili Smith anyone?), as opposed to scrubs like Brady, Delhomme, Warner, Favre, & Matt Hasselbeck who were low-rounders. Other than Big Ben, I'd argue that none of the top rounders from last year or this have played out well (Eli, maybe, but I'm withholding judgement). Rivers hasn't played at all; Alex Smith & Losman are busts, looks like Rodgers may get his chance if Lord Favre can ever make up his mind (but anyone really think he's going to be the savior of that team?). So explain to me why Leinart or Young just HAVE to be drafted if they fall to us?? If they're the BPA, then yes. Otherwise, go with the BPA.

[Clove]

Just out of curiousity--why are people so convinced that Leinart will amount to anything? Seriously (& this has nothing to do with Parcells/Jerry/winning now, etc.), how do you know that Leinart OR Young are any better than Henson, Romo, or possibly the Cowboys picking up someone like Ramsey? Other than that they're "names" who are currently in the news.

Frankly, if they're going to take a risk with a QB, I'd argue for Ramsey (who I still think we will sign, BTW--I predict we sign Ramsey & trade Henson). Maybe even Tim Hasselbeck. Those are guys who may not be sexy (in a non "Brokeback Mountain" kind of way) but have as much potential as Leinart or Young right now. I think Ramsey is a perfect Parcells QB & would do well under him. He's the kind of kid who won't lose games, is tough (he got the s*** beat out of him under Spurrier), smart, & really wants to play. Parcells can do with him what he did with Vinny while at the Jets--doesn't ask him to win games, just not to lose them. Worked out pretty well with the Jets (& has for Roethlisberger too).

Some stat-hound--I'd love to see research on how many QB "names" panned out when they were top-round draft picks (Akili Smith anyone?), as opposed to scrubs like Brady, Delhomme, Warner, Favre, & Matt Hasselbeck who were low-rounders. Other than Big Ben, I'd argue that none of the top rounders from last year or this have played out well (Eli, maybe, but I'm withholding judgement). Rivers hasn't played at all; Alex Smith & Losman are busts, looks like Rodgers may get his chance if Lord Favre can ever make up his mind (but anyone really think he's going to be the savior of that team?). So explain to me why Leinart or Young just HAVE to be drafted if they fall to us?? If they're the BPA, then yes. Otherwise, go with the BPA.You have a point with not knowing if they are any good or not (Leinart,Young,Cutler) but you build teams thru the draft.

At some point, we need to address the QB of the future. And BP is not thinking about the future, but Jerry Jones is. If we barely tip-toe into the playoffs and get run out in the 1st round, I think Jerry will lose his patience and trust for big Bill.

[1fisher]

Just out of curiousity--why are people so convinced that Leinart will amount to anything? Seriously (& this has nothing to do with Parcells/Jerry/winning now, etc.), how do you know that Leinart OR Young are any better than Henson, Romo, or possibly the Cowboys picking up someone like Ramsey? Other than that they're "names" who are currently in the news.

Frankly, if they're going to take a risk with a QB, I'd argue for Ramsey (who I still think we will sign, BTW--I predict we sign Ramsey & trade Henson). Maybe even Tim Hasselbeck. Those are guys who may not be sexy (in a non "Brokeback Mountain" kind of way) but have as much potential as Leinart or Young right now. I think Ramsey is a perfect Parcells QB & would do well under him. He's the kind of kid who won't lose games, is tough (he got the s*** beat out of him under Spurrier), smart, & really wants to play. Parcells can do with him what he did with Vinny while at the Jets--doesn't ask him to win games, just not to lose them. Worked out pretty well with the Jets (& has for Roethlisberger too).

Some stat-hound--I'd love to see research on how many QB "names" panned out when they were top-round draft picks (Akili Smith anyone?), as opposed to scrubs like Brady, Delhomme, Warner, Favre, & Matt Hasselbeck who were low-rounders. Other than Big Ben, I'd argue that none of the top rounders from last year or this have played out well (Eli, maybe, but I'm withholding judgement). Rivers hasn't played at all; Alex Smith & Losman are busts, looks like Rodgers may get his chance if Lord Favre can ever make up his mind (but anyone really think he's going to be the savior of that team?). So explain to me why Leinart or Young just HAVE to be drafted if they fall to us?? If they're the BPA, then yes. Otherwise, go with the BPA.




there's that friggin sexy word again........:bang2: :D

[KingTuna]

They will all be gone...Even still, we're drafting defense with the first pick..

LB/DE/FS


Hope Huff is still on the board!!

[Doomsday101]

I don't think anyone can say for sure what Bill would do if this situation came about. I know we have many so called Bill experts but the fact is he has drafted QB with high picks and Bill has played a QB as a rookie.

[ravidubey]

Bill did draft Chad Pennington (although he also had three other first round picks that same year).

[Bob Sacamano]

You have a point with not knowing if they are any good or not (Leinart,Young,Cutler) but you build teams thru the draft.

At some point, we need to address the QB of the future. And BP is not thinking about the future, but Jerry Jones is. If we barely tip-toe into the playoffs and get run out in the 1st round, I think Jerry will lose his patience and trust for big Bill.

this is the misconception I hate, we are addressing the QB situation for the future, that's why they spent a 3rd to acquire Henson, and besides, Jerry Jones LOVES Henson, so the 1st person who might suggest drafting whoever slips, will probably be Parcells

and how is BIll not thinking about the future? if he wasn't, we wouldn't have seen 6 rookies play a role this year

[Clove]

this is the misconception I hate, we are addressing the QB situation for the future, that's why they spent a 3rd to acquire Henson, and besides, Jerry Jones LOVES Henson, so the 1st person who might suggest drafting whoever slips, will probably be Parcells

and how is BIll not thinking about the future? if he wasn't, we wouldn't have seen 6 rookies play a role this yearBelieve me, I'm looking at Lawson first on my list. But it's a serious question to consider if you're Jerry Jones.

You never know who's going to slip, or the top guns may not slip, but just in case it happens, I'd be anxious to see what Jerry and Parcells' does.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd be anxious to see what Jerry and Parcells' does.

probably what they did last year, let 'em slip by, they already have 2 young QBs that they've invested 2/3 years in already

[Clove]

probably what they did last year, let 'em slip by, they already have 2 young QBs that they've invested 2/3 years in alreadyIf I see Leinarts name when the Cowboys number is called, we either pick him, or make an incredible trade.

[Bob Sacamano]

make an incredible trade.

or that

I put all my money on us not taking a QB in the 1st round

[big dog cowboy]

I put all my money on us not taking a QB in the 1st round
I believe that is a pretty safe bet.

[Bob Sacamano]

I believe that is a pretty safe bet.

yeah, I feel like going out on a limb today :D

[PacoReloaded]

If Leinart was sitting at 18, I think Jerry Jones would drool over himself and things would get tense in the war room.
If I remember correctly didn't Parcells say he DOESN'T like left handed Qb's?