Writers in Houston said No Cowboys will get into HOF.

[cowboyjoe]

I had a friend in Houston, that was watching a sports show on comcast, towards NFL and the Hall of Fame, and the writers said no Dallas Cowboys will ever get into the Hall of Fame, unless they do something, there is some kind of bias towards the Cowboys, thats just the way it is, and unless the fans object to their (the writers bosses), no Dallas Cowboy will get into the Hall of Fame.
Take for instance Michael Irwin they said, his troubles with the law will always keep him out, thats the way it is, and unless the fans complain to their bosses on the writers that make up the Hall of Fame vote, nothing will be done, no dallas cowboy will get in. I have heard reports on Aikman that because he didnt put up lofty numbers in passing he wont get in, even though he helped win 3 super bowls.
So, what are the fans going to do about it, should we do some kind of petition together, to report to the Hall of Fame, and the superiors of all the writers that make up the voting panel. What are you thoughts? joe

[BigDFan5]

who is Michael Irwin ??

[Muhast]

Thats a bit of a stretch. Emmitt will make it in his first year of eligibility

[DMX690]

So what will be the excuse for Emmitt for not being elected to the Hall the Fame. He had a great offence line?

[WoodysGirl]

I don't think Comcast services the Houston area...

Gotta check that out.

I know Time Warner does tho.

That said, does your friend remember what show it was on?

[kingwhicker]

So, what are the fans going to do about it, should we do some kind of petition together, to report to the Hall of Fame, and the superiors of all the writers that make up the voting panel. What are you thoughts?

Burn down the Hall of Fame, bomb league headquarters, and Pittsburgh's, San Francisco's, and Washington's stadiums/practice facilities/media outlets.

[BigDFan5]

Burn down the Hall of Fame, bomb league headquarters, and Pittsburgh's, San Francisco's, and Washington's stadiums/practice facilities/media outlets.


Sounds like Friday night in Detroit!

[Cbz40]

Sounds like Friday night in Detroit!


:lmao2:

[kingwhicker]

Sounds like Friday night in Detroit!

Or Fallujah, oh, wait, same thing.

[BigDFan5]

Or Fallujah, oh, wait, same thing.


One of these buildings is detroit one is in Baghdad can you tell which is which


http://www.mondodisotto.it/imageiraq/Destroyed%20telephone%20exchange%20building%20in%2 0downtown%20Baghdad.jpg




http://www.scienceservingsociety.com/F/Slides03Aug66-Nov67/bigimages/detroit%20july%2067%20close.jpg

[Da Hammer]

Sounds like Friday night in Detroit!
:lmao2: Wrong but funny

[StanleySpadowski]

If none of the three make the final cut, I feel sorry for those selected. The "Cowboys Bias" talk will overshadow their enshrinement.

[Hostile]

I think this report is a by product of the Houston voter for the Hall of Fame saying last year on his show that the San Francisco voter will never vote for Cowboys.

[big dog cowboy]

So what will be the excuse for Emmitt for not being elected to the Hall the Fame. He had a great offence line?
Emmitt gets in first ballot.

[bbgun]

We don't have to worry about any Texans making it.

[Bob Sacamano]

Sounds like Friday night in Detroit!

:lmao2:

wait, when did you become funny? you been on a roll today :D

[Ashwynn]

Its gunna be hard to keep Troy and Emmitt out of the hall, especially Emmitt. The all time NFL leading rusher is not a HOFer? I dont think that will fly even in Washington DC.

[AbeBeta]

I totally disagree (and have over and over in many posts) that there is a anti-Cowboy bias in the hall. Emmitt is a no brainer -- he'll likely be unanimous.

Troy was the QB for 3 SB teams. If he's not in first ballot then I'll believe there is a bias. But I think the folks who say his stats aren't good enough are in the minority. A QB who leads 3 SB teams is special.

[Ashwynn]

Aber, are you saying there is no bias against the boys? Just asking cause I was not clear from reading your post.

In the by-laws, it says they are not to consider off field stuff, only on the field performances. Irving should be a 1st ballot by his numbers, his superbowl victories, his on the field leadership. What did he not have that keeps him out of the hall?

Are you of the mind that off-field incidents should play into the voters decision?

[BigDFan5]

:lmao2:

wait, when did you become funny? you been on a roll today :D


I have always been funny, you just never get it!

[DanTanna]

It was John McClain, a Houston sportswriter that gets a vote. He said that during some sportswriters meetings/convention, some voter(s) from San Fran said that they would NEVER vote a Cowboy to the HOF, EVER - regardless of the player's qualifications, no matter who it was.

He said this on 610AM sports radio. The announcers, Lance Zierline and John Granado pretended to be "shocked".

[silverbear]

I think this report is a by product of the Houston voter for the Hall of Fame saying last year on his show that the San Francisco voter will never vote for Cowboys.

Any voter who says that he'd never vote for any member of any team should have his vote stripped...

How are you gonna make an argument that the leading rusher in the history of the freakin' league does not belong in the HOF??

Nope, saying that shows a clear bias that should disqualify that individual from ever again being allowed to vote in the selection process...

If none of the Triplets ever makes the HOF, it will rob that body any credibility... indeed, I'd argue if ANY of the Triplets is ultimately denied entry (I can understand making Irvin wait a year or two or three, to "punish" him for his assorted off-field problems), then the HOF is a joke...

[DallasDomination]

If you guys think there is no bias against the Cowboys then I feel sorry for you.

Just look at all those players from the steelers that got in and look at all the Cowboys....

If Micheal Irvin doesnt go in then there is Bias. I dont care what people say he was a play maker his whole life. He was part of the Dynasty.

I hate this Bias against the BOys:mad:

[StanleySpadowski]

Any voter who says that he'd never vote for any member of any team should have his vote stripped...

How are you gonna make an argument that the leading rusher in the history of the freakin' league does not belong in the HOF??

Nope, saying that shows a clear bias that should disqualify that individual from ever again being allowed to vote in the selection process...

If none of the Triplets ever makes the HOF, it will rob that body any credibility... indeed, I'd argue if ANY of the Triplets is ultimately denied entry (I can understand making Irvin wait a year or two or three, to "punish" him for his assorted off-field problems), then the HOF is a joke...

The same way they make the argument that the leading receiver in the history of the freakin'g league (at one time) does not belong in the HOF.

[CrazyCowboy]

Troy will make it.....book it.

[joseephuss]

The same way they make the argument that the leading receiver in the history of the freakin'g league (at one time) does not belong in the HOF.

Yep. The HOF is a joke. It is not just deserving Cowboys who have been slighted. There are other great players that haven't sniffed the HOF. The whole thing about receivers is rediculous. They keep out great ones for so long and then use that as a precedent. Well, so and so had to wait 12 years to get in, so the next one has to wait. That is just stupid.

Aikman has the stats. This is just one example:

Troy ranks #22 on the career yardage list. He has 182 fewer career yards than Steve Young who ranks #21. Young played in 169 games in 15 years, which is an average of 196.0 yards a game. Aikman played in 165 games in 12 years, which is an average of 199.6 yards a game. Young is in the HOF.

[silverbear]

The same way they make the argument that the leading receiver in the history of the freakin'g league (at one time) does not belong in the HOF.

Completely ridiculous, isn't it??

[Kangaroo]

I don't think Comcast services the Houston area...

Gotta check that out.

I know Time Warner does tho.

That said, does your friend remember what show it was on?

Comcast services part of the Woodlands area and a few other outlying suburb areas have a scattering of it but; 99% isTime Warner

[superpunk]

who is Michael Irwin ??

Well, the 'V' is right next to the 'W'......:rolleyes:

[StanleySpadowski]

Completely ridiculous, isn't it??

Yep.


If all the former Cowboys and former Redskins are excluded again I say we gather both together and make a run to Canton for the next induction. Maybe a joint protest from obvious rivals will open some eyes.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I Know ...I'm an Eagles fan! But I would be dishonest if I didn't tell you that ... Tony Dorsett was my most favorite NFL player ever (Walter Payton was a close second); he just happen to be a former Cowboy ...this is unquestionably a HOFer ...

Tony Dorsett, a 5-11, 192-pound running back from the University of Pittsburgh, already was a celebrity by the time he joined the Dallas Cowboys as their first-round draft pick in 1977. A four-time All-America at Pittsburgh, Dorsett also won the 1976 Heisman Trophy.
Just as he had done at Pitt, he took the National Football League by storm in his rookie 1977 season. Dorsett rushed for 1,007 yards and 12 touchdowns and was a virtually unanimous choice for NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year honors. Dorsett, who was born April 7, 1954, in Rochester, Pennsylvania, rushed for more than 1,000 yards eight of his first nine seasons – the only miss was the strike-shortened 1982 campaign which, ironically, saw him win his only NFC rushing championship.
His top production came in 1981, when he rushed for 1,646 yards and added 325 yards on 32 receptions. Dorsett spent the first 11 seasons of his 12-year, 173-game NFL career with the Cowboys before being traded to the Denver Broncos for a fifth-round draft pick in 1988. He led the Broncos in rushing with 703 yards in 1988 but injuries prevented him from playing after that first campaign in Denver.
For his career, Dorsett rushed for 12,739 yards. He totaled 16,326 yards from scrimmage. He scored 546 points on 91 touchdowns, 77 by rushing, 13 by receiving and one on a fumble return. Dorsett, a three-time All-NFC pick, who was All-Pro in 1981 and a veteran of four Pro Bowls, played in five NFC championship games and Super Bowls XII and XIII. He had impressive post-season statistical totals -- 1,383 rushing yards and 1,786 yards from scrimmage in 17 games. In 1982 during a Monday night game against the Minnesota Vikings, Dorsett set a record that may some day be tied but will never be broken – a 99-yard touchdown run.

http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/hof/mug1209.jpg

He should have been an Eagle!:rolleyes:

[Yeagermeister]

Originally Posted by BigDFan5
who is Michael Irwin ??

The Croc Hunter's lesser know little brother :D

[Hostile]

It was John McClain, a Houston sportswriter that gets a vote. He said that during some sportswriters meetings/convention, some voter(s) from San Fran said that they would NEVER vote a Cowboy to the HOF, EVER - regardless of the player's qualifications, no matter who it was.

He said this on 610AM sports radio. The announcers, Lance Zierline and John Granado pretended to be "shocked".That's the way I remember it too Dan. The San Fran voter is Ira Miller I believe and to my knowledge he has not responded to any of us who have written the HOF voters.

[Doomsday101]

Personally I think Troy will have no problem making the HOF this year. Irvin I think he deserves it but I think his off the field issues will be the reason he won't make it. Wright I think makes it

[Hostile]

Any voter who says that he'd never vote for any member of any team should have his vote stripped...

How are you gonna make an argument that the leading rusher in the history of the freakin' league does not belong in the HOF??

Nope, saying that shows a clear bias that should disqualify that individual from ever again being allowed to vote in the selection process...

If none of the Triplets ever makes the HOF, it will rob that body any credibility... indeed, I'd argue if ANY of the Triplets is ultimately denied entry (I can understand making Irvin wait a year or two or three, to "punish" him for his assorted off-field problems), then the HOF is a joke...I wrote the HOF about this incident Bear. There was no response.

We also had a writer in NYC (Vic Ditrani, sp?) who said that he would never vote for someone he thought wasn't as good as Harry Carson until Harry Carson got in. The vote shouldn't be about agendas. To him it is. No response from the HOF.

We also had a writer from Detroit (Jerry Green), challenge one of our members to a fist fight. Not just any member either, an Officer in the US Navy. No response from the HOF.

None of these writers have lost their vote.

[Yeagermeister]

I wrote the HOF about this incident Bear. There was no response.

We also had a writer in NYC (Vic Ditrani, sp?) who said that he would never vote for someone he thought wasn't as good as Harry Carson until Harry Carson got in. The vote shouldn't be about agendas. To him it is. No response from the HOF.

We also had a writer from Detroit (Jerry Green), challenge one of our members to a fist fight. Not just any member either, an Officer in the US Navy. No response from the HOF.

None of these writers have lost their vote.

Green wussed out when Manster called his bluff :D

[Hostile]

Green wussed out when Manster called his bluff :DIt was Irving Cowboy.

[Yeagermeister]

It was Irving Cowboy.
That's right :o:

[cowboyjoe]

What I was saying about Tory Aikman stats were that he didnt have super numbers for passing. Take for instance Joe Namaths passing, or Steve Young in that super he helped 49ers win. They were big passing numbers, whereas for Troy, he played like the team wanted him too, mostly running with Emmitt Smith, and that huge offensive line.
It was John McClain, a Houston sportswriter that gets a vote. He said that during some sportswriters meetings/convention, some voter(s) from San Fran said that they would NEVER vote a Cowboy to the HOF, EVER - regardless of the player's qualifications, no matter who it was.

He said this on 610AM sports radio. The announcers, Lance Zierline and John Granado pretended to be "shocked".
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Then, when you add in what this guy said, about the reporter, that shows biased, just like the judges said they would never vote for Michael Irwin, # 88, true, its not suppose to be anything held against him outside of football. Look at Lawrence Taylor for example, all drugs, etc, issues he had. So, there is biased on Cowboys, and it needs to be addressed by us Cowboy fans gett ing together and having a ballot and sending to Jerry Jones, and the Hall of Fame, and to the owners for sports writers.

[kingwhicker]

One of these buildings is detroit one is in Baghdad can you tell which is which


http://www.mondodisotto.it/imageiraq/Destroyed%20telephone%20exchange%20building%20in%2 0downtown%20Baghdad.jpg




http://www.scienceservingsociety.com/F/Slides03Aug66-Nov67/bigimages/detroit%20july%2067%20close.jpg


Bottom one is DEEEEtroit. Is that Ford Field?

The top one in Baghdad even looks better.

[AbeBeta]

Aber, are you saying there is no bias against the boys? Just asking cause I was not clear from reading your post.

In the by-laws, it says they are not to consider off field stuff, only on the field performances. Irving should be a 1st ballot by his numbers, his superbowl victories, his on the field leadership. What did he not have that keeps him out of the hall?

Are you of the mind that off-field incidents should play into the voters decision?

I do not think there is clear evidence of bias. Rayfield Wright is the guy most folks point to -- but lots of OL guys got screwed -- it is hard for voters to judge without film and a statistical record (or Madden to tell them who is good).

I think that regardless of what the by laws say, voters will be impacted by off the field issues -- when guys are borderline, they aren't going to get the benefit of the doubt. Really this comes down to a simple problem of human decision making -- there is a ton of research showing that folks just can't ignore information even when explicitly told to do so.

As for what keeps Irvin out of the hall -- and for the record I think he should be in -- I see it more as his early exit from the league -- that puts him in a spot where he doesn't have the most impressive stats -- that makes him borderline in many voters' minds -- and as a borderline guy with "issues" he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, 88's #s are deceptive -- he isn't top 10 in yards (#14) or receptions (#18) -- but the margin between him and the top 10 guys is tiny -- another couple of mediocre seasons and he's well into the top 10 there. Also, he's got a full season of post-season games (16) with he went 87-1314-8 -- to me that should put him over the top.

[Yeagermeister]

I do not think there is clear evidence of bias. Rayfield Wright is the guy most folks point to -- but lots of OL guys got screwed -- it is hard for voters to judge without film and a statistical record (or Madden to tell them who is good).

All of the players that made the 70's all decade team are in the HOF except two......Wright and Cliff Harris.....nuff said :D

As for what keeps Irvin out of the hall -- and for the record I think he should be in -- I see it more as his early exit from the league -- that puts him in a spot where he doesn't have the most impressive stats -- that makes him borderline in many voters' minds -- and as a borderline guy with "issues" he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt.


That didn't keep Sayers out

[Hostile]

I do not think there is clear evidence of bias. Rayfield Wright is the guy most folks point to -- but lots of OL guys got screwed -- it is hard for voters to judge without film and a statistical record (or Madden to tell them who is good).

I think that regardless of what the by laws say, voters will be impacted by off the field issues -- when guys are borderline, they aren't going to get the benefit of the doubt. Really this comes down to a simple problem of human decision making -- there is a ton of research showing that folks just can't ignore information even when explicitly told to do so.

As for what keeps Irvin out of the hall -- and for the record I think he should be in -- I see it more as his early exit from the league -- that puts him in a spot where he doesn't have the most impressive stats -- that makes him borderline in many voters' minds -- and as a borderline guy with "issues" he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, 88's #s are deceptive -- he isn't top 10 in yards (#14) or receptions (#18) -- but the margin between him and the top 10 guys is tiny -- another couple of mediocre seasons and he's well into the top 10 there. Also, he's got a full season of post-season games (16) with he went 87-1314-8 -- to me that should put him over the top.CB plays for 14 years. 10 of those years he makes the Pro Bowl. He snares 54 career incerceptions.

In your estimation is he a Hall of Famer?

Should it take 19 years for him to be inducted?

On any other team, he's probably a 1st year inductee. Mel Renfro, the original shut down CB, only played for 1 team. The one there is a bias against.

[DanTanna]

So over the last 35 years the Cowboys have been to 20% of the Super Bowls?

Shouldn't 20% of the HOF consist of Cowboys? :)

[Bach]

I think the obvious guys like Aikman and Emmitt will get in, and then all the media will incredulously act like there's no anti-Cowboys bias.

[Chief]

We also had a writer from Detroit (Jerry Green), challenge one of our members to a fist fight. Not just any member either, an Officer in the US Navy. No response from the HOF.



I remember that as well.

The guy got real combative and defensive.

Hey, I volunteer to open a can on John "Poindexter" Clayton if he ever gets outta line. Just let me know and I'll take care of him.

[Hostile]

I think the obvious guys like Aikman and Emmitt will get in, and then all the media will incredulously act like there's no anti-Cowboys bias.Right on the friggin' :money:

[Hostile]

I remember that as well.

The guy got real combative and defensive.

Hey, I volunteer to open a can on John "Poindexter" Clayton if he ever gets outta line. Just let me know and I'll take care of him.:write:

Chief gets to Nancy Kerrigan Poindexter should the need arise.

Got it Chief.

[AbeBeta]

That didn't keep Sayers out

Sayers was portrayed in what is widely considered the finest sports movie of all time. I don't think he should be in -- but he was getting some pretty damn good press. Good press vs. bad press. You see how that works yet?

And again, I think if you are looking at the WORST players in the hall as establishing the criteria then you are looking in the wrong place. You need to look at the AVERAGE player in the hall and compare against that yard stick.

[burmafrd]

As was pointed out- when the only two members of the ALL 70's team not in the Hall are Cowboys- you have to wonder. Then when the only two voted OFF in the final vote are Cowboys- WHICH BY THE WAY HAD NOT HAPPENED BEFORE- you have to wonder some more. Add to that the numbers from teams like the Vikings, Chiefs, etc compared to the Cowboys-ABERSONC- I think you have your head buried in the sand.

[Jay9508]

Thats a bit of a stretch. Emmitt will make it in his first year of eligibilityi agree

[Hostile]

As was pointed out- when the only two members of the ALL 70's team not in the Hall are Cowboys- you have to wonder. Then when the only two voted OFF in the final vote are Cowboys- WHICH BY THE WAY HAD NOT HAPPENED BEFORE- you have to wonder some more. Add to that the numbers from teams like the Vikings, Chiefs, etc compared to the Cowboys-ABERSONC- I think you have your head buried in the sand.The last 2 years the final vote has dumped 3 Cowboys out of the HOF out of 4 players total.

No evidence of bias? Please.