Right now-How Many HOF's on this Cowboy's team..?

[Redball Express]

I think I can speak for all of us in breathing a big sigh of relief that Aikman and Wright are now in the HOF with several more probably coming in the next several years..

..which should end the whispers of Cowboy Bias..for now.

But when I see these players being enshrined or soon to be for the Cowboys..it speaks of teams past and fading.

My question is..who on our present team is HOF material..?

Being a 45+ year fan of the team, I've seen along with many of you, lists of great players on our teams and they are often a measure of their team's success.

But the HOF only calls the best of the best.

So who on our team right now is HOF material..?

The best teams always have a handful of great players who have proven season in and season out that they are the nucleus of the team and deserving for consideration and ultimately, possible induction.

And as I look at this team, we've got several to be considered.

Who are they..?

Who's a lock..?

Who's conditional..?

Who's got the most potential if they aren't yet..?

I ask these questions because our team really doesn't have a chance for greatness unless we have some of these guys either at the playing and/or coaching levels...or even ownership, too.

I have my choices, but I'm interested more in everybody elses's view.

And I'll also throw in who out there as former Cowboy players or coaches no longer directly associated with our team still has a decent chance to be voted in..?

I'm interested in this because I really beleive that there are many still to come and many still deserving that hasn't. And I'm interested in how many we have potentially and if there is consensus at all,

And I also think that part of the BP legacy with this team is that if he can regain the magic in Dallas as he has elsewhere, he'll go along way to ensuring the Dallas franchise of more HOF inductees down the road for all eligible players in the future by bring us back to the top and in the limelight.

This is very important to us all as fans. And BP is in charge of this task amongst his other duties...hehee.

Ok..your turns..

I'd love like to see your choices and why and where you rate them as to ultimately being HOF.

And my congrats to Troy and the Big Cat for making it. Great day for the team and the fans, with more to come I hope.

parcellswaterboy

[Zaxor]

One

Larry Allen

[TruBlueCowboy]

Larry Allen is a lock.

Bledsoe is a possibility if he has 3 more good years OR wins a Super Bowl.

Glover is a slim, slim possibility, and only as a seniors committee nominee type.

Keyshawn, Glenn, Rivera ain't going.

Of the young guys, I'd say the best odds are Roy Williams and Jason Witten.

DeMarcus Ware has a good chance if he can stay healthy over his career.

Julius Jones, even if he returns to the form of his rookie year, still doesn't look like a player who can withstand the NFL beating, so he probably won't have a Hall of Fame career.

If Chris Canty and Marcus Spears turn out to be career Pro Bowlers, they still won't have impressive numbers until we go back to a 4-3, so they aren't going. Newman entered the NFL too late in his career and he still can't get any love. Too little, too late for him unless he suddenly becomes Deion-esque.

[The30YardSlant]

Larry Allen is the greatest Guard to ever play the game, he's a lock

Roy Williams will be in one day

[fortdick]

Bill Parcells

[braw]

Only 3

Larry Allen
Jerry Jones
Bill Parcells

[DeWare94]

Willie Blade and Jacob Rogers

[cowboyjoe]

I agree with Larry Allen first;
On our team now, I would say, Bledsoe if he wins a super bowl
2nd Keyshawn Johnson, especially if wins a super bowl, that will be 2 he was in
3rd. Jason Witten, maybe- got to remember he will be in contention with Shockey
4th. Demarcus Ware-I think in time, he will be great
5th Maybe Terrance Newman, think he is coming into his own, if he can win 2-3 superbowls with cowboys
6th Glover, but only as senior committee
7th. Roy Williams, but only if cowboys go to super bowls, have tobe more than 1 though, his liablity shows up too much in pass coverage
8th. One player you guys might be overlooking is Marco Riveria, was a probowler-but only as senior committte voting, and if cowboys win SB
9th Either Marcus Spears or Chris Canty-Canty has been likened to LeonLett
10th-Emmitt Smith will be
11th-Cliff Harris might later again but probably not
12th Daryl Johnston might, but only at end of his career broadcasting

[bbgun]

Henson.

[MinnesotaCowboy]

I think I can speak for all of us in breathing a big sigh of relief that Aikman and Wright are now in the HOF with several more probably coming in the next several years..

..which should end the whispers of Cowboy Bias..for now.

But when I see these players being enshrined or soon to be for the Cowboys..it speaks of teams past and fading.

My question is..who on our present team is HOF material..?

Being a 45+ year fan of the team, I've seen along with many of you, lists of great players on our teams and they are often a measure of their team's success.

But the HOF only calls the best of the best.

So who on our team right now is HOF material..?

The best teams always have a handful of great players who have proven season in and season out that they are the nucleus of the team and deserving for consideration and ultimately, possible induction.

And as I look at this team, we've got several to be considered.

Who are they..?

Who's a lock..?

Who's conditional..?

Who's got the most potential if they aren't yet..?

I ask these questions because our team really doesn't have a chance for greatness unless we have some of these guys either at the playing and/or coaching levels...or even ownership, too.

I have my choices, but I'm interested more in everybody elses's view.

And I'll also throw in who out there as former Cowboy players or coaches no longer directly associated with our team still has a decent chance to be voted in..?

I'm interested in this because I really beleive that there are many still to come and many still deserving that hasn't. And I'm interested in how many we have potentially and if there is consensus at all,

And I also think that part of the BP legacy with this team is that if he can regain the magic in Dallas as he has elsewhere, he'll go along way to ensuring the Dallas franchise of more HOF inductees down the road for all eligible players in the future by bring us back to the top and in the limelight.

This is very important to us all as fans. And BP is in charge of this task amongst his other duties...hehee.

Ok..your turns..

I'd love like to see your choices and why and where you rate them as to ultimately being HOF.

And my congrats to Troy and the Big Cat for making it. Great day for the team and the fans, with more to come I hope.

parcellswaterboy


Which one is you in the picture? :D

[MichaelWinicki]

Just Larry Allen is a shoe-in.

Possibly Bledsoe

Maybe Roy

[big dog cowboy]

Locks.....

Larry Allen
Jerry Jones
Bill Parcells

[conner01]

Only 3

Larry Allen
Jerry Jones
Bill Parcells
as of now you are right. only 3 who will be locks. now if bledsoe can get a ring he may be but not really a cowboy like the rest

[Kangaroo]

Darren Woodson should go in and may have to on the Vet but he was a great safety for a long time and has some bling to show for it to

[Ashwynn]

Dont forget Drew Bledsoe. Hes getting up there in numbers, gotta start considering him for the HOF. Even Zaxor cant argrue with that!

[JohnsKey19]

LA
Jerry
Parcells

Bledsoe needs a SB ring to even be seriously considered IMO

[Redball Express]

Which one is you in the picture? :D
Jeez..

I thought that was obvious..the one with the biggest grin.

;-)))

I had been working on the crew doing the video shoot running a 4th camera handheld and also done stills for the jacket of the VHS (yes, that long ago, folks. No DVD yet)

I really had a blast running around with them at Disney World over the 3 days they were there doing the shoot and the cheerleader on my right was the dance leader on the video and very nice.

This was right after the Cowboys had won their Back-to-Back SB's..Febuary of '94. Also met Jerry Jones and Deion Sanders, both of whom flew out to Florida on the last day to watch the video production.

I was in Cowboy heaven. Yes..the big grin.

parcellswaterboy




parcellswaterboy

[Sandman52]

Did Deion say he would go in as a Falcon? Ultimately, he should go in as a Falcon (where he made a name for himself), but his relationship with the Cowboys is well-documented. We can consider him just like Ditka I guess.

[Kangaroo]

Did Deion say he would go in as a Falcon? Ultimately, he should go in as a Falcon (where he made a name for himself), but his relationship with the Cowboys is well-documented. We can consider him just like Ditka I guess.

The NFL Hall is not like the Baseball Hall you get a plaque and it list all the teams you played for not like baseball where they put a cap on the bust with a team logo

[sago1]

Despite his high numbers, Bledsoe won't make the HOF w/o a SB win with Cowboys. Has knocks against him because of perception he"s "a statue and needs lot of OL projection" and he hasn't won the big one.

[Chief]

And I'll also throw in who out there as former Cowboy players or coaches no longer directly associated with our team still has a decent chance to be voted in..?


Emmitt Smith
Deion Sanders
Charles Haley
Michael Irvin

and I agree with the others about the current guys:

Larry Allen
Bill Parcells
Jerry Jones

Cliff Harris may get his shot with the veteran's committee, much like Rayfield. He's the only one of the "old-timers" with a chance, IMO. I think him, Drew Pearson and Bob Hayes belong in. And I could lean either way on Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan.

Of the more recent guys, Darren Woodson has a slight chance, IMO.

What about Jimmy Johnson? Granted, he didn't really do much in Miami, but was his meteoric rise in Dallas enough? Remember, Bud Grant, George Allen and Marv Levy are in.

[2much2soon]

Best part about all the posts with Jerry Jones as a lock is thinking back to when he bought the team.
Who would of ever believed at that time he would become a HOF'er as an owner? Probably just him...
But I agree he will go in someday.
I also believe Jimmy Johnson will go in on the strength of what he did in Dallas, too. Back to back SB wins where his teams totally dismantled very good Buffalo teams.

[Sarge]

One

Larry Allen

........yep...

[Redball Express]

I agree with Larry Allen first;
On our team now, I would say, Bledsoe if he wins a super bowl
2nd Keyshawn Johnson, especially if wins a super bowl, that will be 2 he was in
3rd. Jason Witten, maybe- got to remember he will be in contention with Shockey
4th. Demarcus Ware-I think in time, he will be great
5th Maybe Terrance Newman, think he is coming into his own, if he can win 2-3 superbowls with cowboys
6th Glover, but only as senior committee
7th. Roy Williams, but only if cowboys go to super bowls, have tobe more than 1 though, his liablity shows up too much in pass coverage
8th. One player you guys might be overlooking is Marco Riveria, was a probowler-but only as senior committte voting, and if cowboys win SB
9th Either Marcus Spears or Chris Canty-Canty has been likened to LeonLett
10th-Emmitt Smith will be
11th-Cliff Harris might later again but probably not
12th Daryl Johnston might, but only at end of his career broadcasting


An excellent and well thought out list. Thanks. Agree with much of it.

My List of past players/coaches not on our current roster as follows:

Deion Sanders-we'll have to share him with the Falcons, 49ers, Redskins and us, but I think he goes without a doubt.

Michael Irvin-I don't think you can leave him out of the Triplets despite his faults.

Emmitt Smith-duh. Won't even waste time making a case.

Charles Haley-again, shared b/w us and the 9ers, but he's a definite possibility at some point. 5 winning SB rings..who's got more..?

Cliff Harris-I still think he has a chance down the road. He was a cut from the Larry Wilson cloth and Wilson is in the HOF. Roy Williams would like to be 50% of what Cliff Harris was.

Bob Hayes-Not giving up on this yet. He has his supporters. If you saw him play, you know why he should be there. Defenses had to be re-invented to defend him. He was the the guy that opened the door for speed at WR. This is a player that demanded huge respect in his day. Sad he's been ignored.

Jimmy Johnson-some will scoff, but given time, he may get in like Madden did today. And Jimma has 2 SB rings to Maddens one. If JJ grows as a celebrity on TV, I see the possibility. But Jimma got to come up with a shtick..like Madden's 'Tough actin' Tinactin' thing or 'Boom-Bam signature'.

Drew Pearson-another forgotten BMOC for us as Cowboys fans and there never was a better clutch WR in the NFL except Boyd Dowler from GB and Lenny Moore with the Colts. Who caught all those passes Staubach threw anyway..? This is robbery he didn't get in the HOF..Hail Mary..? Come on.

Dan Reeves-a very distinct longshot, but a very good coach who was a distinguished player for us and had successful coaching stops in Dallas, Denver, New York and Atlanta. A Landry protege'. Well respected. Driven. Heart attacks couldn't stop him. Single-handedly re-introduced the halfback pass in the late 60's to an NFL that had stopped using it.

Mike Ditka-George Halas wanna be and an All-Pro career as a proto-typical TE in Chicago and a SB ring with Dallas who later coached under Landry and went on to win a SB with Payton as a HC plus coached in NO for a time. Iron Mike might take awhile to get serious votes in the HOF, but it's not too farfetched..especially for the HOF voting block in the Midwest and NE..they liked him.

My List of owner/coaches on our current roster as follows:

Bill Parcells-He's already in, but if we win one with him, he gets Bronzed instantly right on the sidelines in front of National TV. Instead of Gatorade buckets, molten bronze.

Jerry Jones-he's already in a league with Rooney and others who have been inducted. Guys like George Young who recently passed away have passed the torch to Jerry Jones. He's a lock unless he does something stupid, like fire BP.

My List of Current players just maybe one SB away from getting recognition for the HOF-

Larry Allen-OL don't get in often (ask Rayfield Wright) But what is it..8 or 10 straight Pro Bowls..?

Bledsoe-if he can take us to a Championship and add to his career totals, absolutely a good shot at it. He is a sterling person and the HOF likes that kind. He just needs to win the Big One if possible. Needs to go out on a high note.

Rivera-agreed about him. He's had a slow start with us, but he's very possibly a HOF stud. Again..6+ Pro Bowls in his career..? If he can rebound from last year and put in another 2-3 years of high play...very possible.

Keyshawn Johnson-Key is an inigma wrapped in a question mark. But is a player of the Michael Irvin mold.The bigger the play needed, the more he gets involved. One SB already and if BP gets him another..he's got an argument for consideration. Another guy that needs to go out on a high note to get serious HOF consideration.

LaRoi Glover-another guy who has strung about 6+ Pro Bowls together before this year. If they can find a way to afford him and play him, he's got a good shot down the road if he stays with a good team.

My list of current players in the incubator for the HOF-

Jason Witten-this guy will be there over the years barring injury and a QB in Big D who can throw. He meeds to string about 5 Pro Bowls together and has to be more dominating inside the 20.

Demarcus Ware-This guy has all the tools. He just needs to stay injury-free and get good support around him.

Julius Jones-I think he's definitely get the right tools. If healthy and has an OL he can grow behind for a 5-6 year period, he can be another Emmitt Smith. He's faster and has a second and third gear Emmitt only dreamed about.

Roy Williams-If they can get him a stable mate at FS, this guy could settle and be Pro Bowl for 10 years. He just needs to be played in one way, near the LOS and turn him loose. I always remember BP saying he's one bisquit away from being a LBer. Pass him the platter and let him be one of the outside terror LBers we are looking for.

Terrence Newman-Could be a Pro Bowler for years if they get the defense built and a pass rush established. Excellent cover CB with Deion-type skills. He needs more Ints. to build his rep. Doable.

Chris Canty-I like this guy and he's in the right place at the right time to really make a name for himself. If he and Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears jell, these three could take turns going to the Pro Bowl each year for years.

Marcus Spears-There is no reason this guy won't be the rock on which the defense will be built over the next 10 years. It's still early, but he's got tools to succeed...especially with BP here, who wants the 3-4 to thrive.

My List for inanimate objects to make the HOF-

Barry Switzer's Gun-if not for him carrying his gun on a plane flight that he got busted for, we still might be having him as a coach. The gun deserves some sort of immortality..right..? It helped us get rid of Barry when nothing else seemed to be working. Even 4th and 1 yds calls inside our own 30 yd. line.

I say we bronze it and hang it in the Dallas nitch at the HOF.

So in looking at things, I'd say we still have a lot of opportunity to get faces into the HOF still. And there are many I haven't even brought up that may still be considered.

And as for our current players, there is definitley potential there..too.

So we'll see. After today with Aikman and Wright succeeding, more maybe around the corner.

Thanks to all who have replied.

parcellswaterboy

[Cowboy Junkie]

LArry Allen
Parcells
Bledsoe



Bledsoe dose have a Superbowl ring , I see some here say he needs to win and I realize he did not play in the SB , but without him they do not even get there....

[tyke1doe]

Only 3

Larry Allen
Jerry Jones
Bill Parcells


Bingo ................

[Nors]

Henson.

:lmao:
good one - that one made me chuckle

[Bob Sacamano]

Larry Allen is a lock.

Bledsoe is a possibility if he has 3 more good years OR wins a Super Bowl.

Glover is a slim, slim possibility, and only as a seniors committee nominee type.

Keyshawn, Glenn, Rivera ain't going.

Of the young guys, I'd say the best odds are Roy Williams and Jason Witten.

DeMarcus Ware has a good chance if he can stay healthy over his career.

Julius Jones, even if he returns to the form of his rookie year, still doesn't look like a player who can withstand the NFL beating, so he probably won't have a Hall of Fame career.

If Chris Canty and Marcus Spears turn out to be career Pro Bowlers, they still won't have impressive numbers until we go back to a 4-3, so they aren't going. Newman entered the NFL too late in his career and he still can't get any love. Too little, too late for him unless he suddenly becomes Deion-esque.

:hammer:

that's about how I see it

Manny Lawson also has a chance to be another COwboy in the HOF ;)

[Bob Sacamano]

Darren Woodson should go in and may have to on the Vet but he was a great safety for a long time and has some bling to show for it to

good point, he has 3 rings, 5 Pro Bowls, and is the COwboy's all-time leading tackler, and somewhat helped shape the S position as he could cover slot-receivers with the best of them

[Redball Express]

good point, he has 3 rings, 5 Pro Bowls, and is the COwboy's all-time leading tackler, and somewhat helped shape the S position as he could cover slot-receivers with the best of them
gree here, too..

Woodson was a great safety and could be a HOF type down the road.

Good call.

parcellswaterboy

[kingwhicker]

Larry Allen and possibly Bledsoe. That's it.

[Skip]

Good question.
Right now Larry Allen, Parcells and possibly Jerry Jones.

Roy Williams has a great chance, but Dallas has to free him by getting a good ball hawk FS.

If Terrance Newman keeps playing as well as he did this year he well could be on his way.

Witten has a chance to make it also, but needs to block a little better and Dallas playing and winning the big dance again would go a long way for him.

Bledsoe may make it if we get back to the big dance before he's gone.

The young guys I need more time to see, at least another year or 2, but I would not be surprised at all if some make it. I do feel Ware has a good chance of having the kind of career needed to get in.

The super bowl thing will play an important roll with most of these guys. How many and how many wins. If this is the beginning of winning several super bowls then most of the ones listed in this thread will make it ( not including the ones listed to be humorous).

[Chief]

Mike Ditka-George Halas wanna be and an All-Pro career as a proto-typical TE in Chicago and a SB ring with Dallas who later coached under Landry and went on to win a SB with Payton as a HC plus coached in NO for a time. Iron Mike might take awhile to get serious votes in the HOF, but it's not too farfetched..especially for the HOF voting block in the Midwest and NE..they liked him.


Ditka was inducted into the Hall in 1988.

[jterrell]

Just Larry Allen is a shoe-in.

Possibly Bledsoe

Maybe Roy
yup


add in parcells and jones as non players.

[5Stars]

Quincy Carter.....(uh, oh wait...nevermind. but, at one time i thought i heard him say "all the greats" or something)!:eek:

Sorry, carry on!

[neosapien23]

I think Keyshawn Johnson could get in if he wins another superbowl. He has put up pretty good numbers, very comparable to Micheal Irvin early in his career. Same with Bledsoe. Larry Allen is a sure HOFer.

[Zaxor]

I think Keyshawn Johnson could get in if he wins another superbowl. He has put up pretty good numbers, very comparable to Micheal Irvin early in his career. Same with Bledsoe. Larry Allen is a sure HOFer.

I am not sure if it is about the numbers as it is about dominance

Mike dominated for awhile..Key never really did..he may have numbers but no one that I know of game planned to stop Key...they did for Mike...

[Redball Express]

Ditka was inducted into the Hall in 1988.
..of course he was..my bad.

But hey..an honest mistake and at least I show insight..if not poor memory also..hahaha..

parcellswaterboy

[TruBlueCowboy]

I think Keyshawn Johnson could get in if he wins another superbowl. He has put up pretty good numbers, very comparable to Micheal Irvin early in his career. Same with Bledsoe. Larry Allen is a sure HOFer.

Doubt it. If Art Monk can't get in, neither can Key who writers probably hate a lot more than Monk. Key probably has better career numbers than Monk, but he's one of those guys who wasn't always viewed as the best at his position.

[trueblue1687]

I think Keyshawn Johnson could get in if he wins another superbowl. He has put up pretty good numbers, very comparable to Micheal Irvin early in his career. Same with Bledsoe. Larry Allen is a sure HOFer.

Keyshawn will make it on stats alone...not to mention his flair and a superbowl appearance. Roy Williams probably will not unless he makes it to a couplek SBs...yes it does score points for a player.

Larry Allen will surely make it. as will Bledsoe.

Witten is too early, but if he keeps playing like he does, would be hard to ignore.

T Newman is probably the most interesting. It seems CBs are cyclic when it comes to the Hall. Mel Renfro made it, but he was considerably better than Newman is now and played a long time. I think he'll go if he can last like Aaron Glenn.

[Hostile]

It's too soon to know on some of the young players. So, I'll focus on the old guard.

Larry Allen, Bill Parcells, & Jerry Jones.