STOLE one for the Thumb

[ReturnToGlory]

since the steelers figured they would never win another SB playing fair, they had to steal one. how pathetic.

[THUMPER]

I don't blame the Stealers for how the refs called the game.

[Ratmatt]

since the steelers figured they would never win another SB playing fair, they had to steal one. how pathetic.
They didn't steal anything!Pittsburgh made the plays when they had to.Seattle blew too many opportunities.Get over it!

[neosapien23]

I don't blame the Stealers for how the refs called the game.

I would have to agree with you. I still think Pittsburgh would have won, but the refs tainted their victory.

[Wolverine]

They didn't steal anything!Pittsburgh made the plays when they had to.Seattle blew too many opportunities.Get over it!


I would say more like the refs bein the Stealers 12th man on the field caused the Hawks to blow opportunities. Any time the Hawks started to get something goin the refs were there to stop it.

What bites is that these refs will not even have to answer to the media for how they won the game for the Stealers. Or even get fined.

When they do such a crappy job in a game there needs to be fines or maybe just fire them.

I do not think people watched the Super Bowl sayin......I sure hope we get to see the refs give the Stealers the game.

[CliffnMesquite]

The only thing that matters at this point is who gets the 6th ring first.

[Bob Sacamano]

you guys are still talking about anything pertaining to that crappy...man, I can't even say it...*groans* AAAAAAARRGGGG S...SSSS....S...SSSSUPE...R...bowl

[royhitshard]

since the steelers figured they would never win another SB playing fair, they had to steal one. how pathetic.
YOU are the PATHETIC one. Get over it, the Steelers won and no matter what crap you come up with, they will be Super Bowl XL champs. Until you prove they paid the refs, keep you idiotic theories to yourself.:rolleyes:

[WV Cowboy]

I would say more like the refs bein the Stealers 12th man on the field caused the Hawks to blow opportunities. Any time the Hawks started to get something goin the refs were there to stop it.

What bites is that these refs will not even have to answer to the media for how they won the game for the Stealers. Or even get fined.

When they do such a crappy job in a game there needs to be fines or maybe just fire them.

I do not think people watched the Super Bowl sayin......I sure hope we get to see the refs give the Stealers the game.
Pretty good.

[Alexander]

I wonder how long this whining is going to continue.

[vicjagger]

The refs were no more responsible for this win than Neil O'Donnell was for the Cowboy's victory in SB XXX.

[WV Cowboy]

The refs were no more responsible for this win than Neil O'Donnell was for the Cowboy's victory in SB XXX.
He was directly responsible, he threw two outrageous picks in the 4th qtr.

Find a better point to make your stand on.

[WV Cowboy]

I wonder how long this whining is going to continue.
I can see your point, but this is not about the Cowboys so I don't consider it whining.

It is not about one call, so I don't consider it whining.

And it is MSNBC, FOX, ESPN, PTI, Round the Horn, the Associated Press, ...EVERYONE ! is discussing it, once again, not whining.

You sound like the Steeler fans I have had to listen to.

The list of plays and calls that were affected is long, some are OK with that, while others are not.

[Alexander]

I can see your point, but this is not about the Cowboys so I don't consider it whining.

It is not about one call, so I don't consider it whining.

And it is MSNBC, FOX, ESPN, PTI, Round the Horn, the Associated Press, ...EVERYONE ! is discussing it, once again, not whining.

You sound like the Steeler fans I have had to listen to.

The list of plays and calls that were affected is long, some are OK with that, while others are not.

I am not going to deny that this was perhaps the worst officiated big game--ever--but enough already.

Nothing is going to be done. The NFL is standing behind this crew and supporting their calls. This will not change the outcome of the game, nor will it create some sweeping reform of the way things are done.

So all the bellyaching and moaning is more tiresome than anything else.

[WV Cowboy]

I am not going to deny that this was perhaps the worst officiated big game--ever--but enough already.

Nothing is going to be done. The NFL is standing behind this crew and supporting their calls. This will not change the outcome of the game, nor will it create some sweeping reform of the way things are done.

So all the bellyaching and moaning is more tiresome than anything else.
Your choice to read it or not.

I was really hoping that the Seahawks would win, but I didn't think they could beat Pittsburgh.

So after seeing how bad the Steelers played, and realizing that the Seahawks were the best team that day, it is disturbing to see what had happened.

If this happened to the Cowboys, would you feel any different ? Or not.

[kingwhicker]

We are all entitled to our opinions on this, and I respect those who say it was just a coincidence and all that. However, I think they stole it, I think there was collusion, and it's not the first (or second, or third) time it has happened with this particular team in the "ultimate" game. There is something rotten in Pittsburgh and in the NFL but nothing will or can be done about it, so we should all just move on. I think enough people view the situation as less than ideal to outright illegitimate (what was the ESPN poll, something like 80% fel the refs determined the outcome) that it has tainted the reputation of the officials, the league and the Stealers legitimacy as champions-but, in the final analysis, nothing will be done about it and the trophy will remain in Pittsburgh.

[Doomsday101]

Your choice to read it or not.

I was really hoping that the Seahawks would win, but I didn't think they could beat Pittsburgh.

So after seeing how bad the Steelers played, and realizing that the Seahawks were the best team that day, it is disturbing to see what had happened.

If this happened to the Cowboys, would you feel any different ? Or not.

If it happened in favor of the cowboys would you be making the same claims? Did Butch Johnson really catch the ball for the TD against Denver in the SB? Or was that a fix? When Dallas played Pitt in SB XXX was Jay Novachecks TD was it an illegal pick play or was the fix on by the refs? There are many instances in almost every game where calls come into question.

[Bach]

If it happened in favor of the cowboys would you be making the same claims? Did Butch Johnson really catch the ball for the TD against Denver in the SB? Or was that a fix? When Dallas played Pitt in SB XXX was Jay Novachecks TD was it an illegal pick play or was the fix on by the refs? There are many instances in almost every game where calls come into question.

There are questionable calls in every game, but not to the extent as was seen Sunday where there were many and primarily on one team and primarily on key plays.
I'm not saying it is a conspiracy, but it definitely looks odd.

[Doomsday101]

There are questionable calls in every game, but not to the extent as was seen Sunday where there were many and primarily on one team and primarily on key plays.
I'm not saying it is a conspiracy, but it definitely looks odd.

3 call. 2 questionable 1 blown in favor of Pitt. Offensive pass interference on Set sorry I have seen the call made with less contact than that and I have seen a non call on more contact that that, I have no doubt that the WR did push to get separation from the DB. Goal line with Rothlisberger there is no clear view to prove it one way or the other and instant replay was not going to overturn it had it been called a TD or not. Last the 15 yard pen. Against Hasslebeck was a bad call and the ref was not in a position to see it so I will agree that was a very bad call. Stevens catch and fumble is ruled incomplete, myself I felt he had possession and was making a football move turning up field and was hit and the ball popped loose yet it is called incomplete I would also add the fumble by Hassleback was questionable as well. Seattle had enough of their own mistakes and drop balls that had as much to do with them losing as anything the refs may have missed. I say all of this and yet I was pulling for the Seahawks as well.

[Alexander]

Your choice to read it or not.

Not quite. When it dominates the headlines on television and even the main board of this forum, it's hard to avoid.

If this happened to the Cowboys, would you feel any different ? Or not.

I would be upset, who wouldn't be? But I abhor excuse-making and Seattle made more than enough mistakes to lose and if we did the same, I would feel that way as well. Winners win, losers lose and real losers make excuses. Had the game come down to one play and the referees blew that call, then I could go right in line with the conspiracy theorists. It was a terribly officiated game, no more, no less.

But I think much of this backlash you see on this forum comes from we Cowboy fans being bitter because it was Pittsburgh. Of all teams Pittsburgh. Had Seattle been the beneficiary, I can all but assure you the reaction, at least here, would most likely be much different.

[WV Cowboy]

3 call. 2 questionable 1 blown in favor of Pitt. Offensive pass interference on Set sorry I have seen the call made with less contact than that and I have seen a non call on more contact that that, I have no doubt that the WR did push to get separation from the DB. Goal line with Rothlisberger there is no clear view to prove it one way or the other and instant replay was not going to overturn it had it been called a TD or not. Last the 15 yard pen. Against Hasslebeck was a bad call and the ref was not in a position to see it so I will agree that was a very bad call. Stevens catch and fumble is ruled incomplete, myself I felt he had possession and was making a football move turning up field and was hit and the ball popped loose yet it is called incomplete I would also add the fumble by Hassleback was questionable as well. Seattle had enough of their own mistakes and drop balls that had as much to do with them losing as anything the refs may have missed. I say all of this and yet I was pulling for the Seahawks as well.
You are making my point for me.

You just had to type a long, full paragraph to remark on all of the bad officiating and you still failed to mention two big ones.

The "fantasy" hold on the pass to the one, (the biggest IMO)

The play clock hitting zero and then the Steelers were granted a TO.

How many bad or missed calls did we not see ?

Bad calls happen from time to time, and then forgotten.

This has made the national media for days.

This one is different.

[WV Cowboy]

If it happened in favor of the cowboys would you be making the same claims? Did Butch Johnson really catch the ball for the TD against Denver in the SB? Or was that a fix? When Dallas played Pitt in SB XXX was Jay Novachecks TD was it an illegal pick play or was the fix on by the refs? There are many instances in almost every game where calls come into question.
Dooms , you are mentioning one play from each game, ... that's the point.

This was many calls, all against one team , at critical times.

This was different.

[Doomsday101]

You are making my point for me.

You just had to type a long, full paragraph to remark on all of the bad officiating and you still failed to mention two big ones.

The "fantasy" hold on the pass to the one, (the biggest IMO)

The play clock hitting zero and then the Steelers were granted a TO.

How many bad or missed calls did we not see ?

Bad calls happen from time to time, and then forgotten.

This has made the national media for days.

This one is different.

What fantansy hold? It may not been much of a hold but it was called.
Clock hitting zero the coaches on the sideline can call for TO which was the case and has happened all season long.

[Doomsday101]

Dooms , you are mentioning one play from each game, ... that's the point.

This was many calls, all against one team , at critical times.

This was different.

Seattle lost the game on their own they made mistakes so they need to look no futher than the mirror to see who cost them the game. Big Drops by Stevens a poor pass in the redzone late in the game by Hassleback, poor job of converting on 3rd down those are what killed Seattle. Sea also had a couple of calls that went their way yet I don't see no one complaining about that. No it is easy for those who hate Pitt to use some lame excuse about the refs stole the game or the game was some how fixed. I have never been a spoiled sport or sore loser and I don't intend to start now.

[WV Cowboy]

Seattle lost the game on their own they made mistakes so they need to look no futher than the mirror to see who cost them the game. Big Drops by Stevens a poor pass in the redzone late in the game by Hassleback, poor job of converting on 3rd down those are what killed Seattle. Sea also had a couple of calls that went their way yet I don't see no one complaining about that. No it is easy for those who hate Pitt to use some lame excuse about the refs stole the game or the game was some how fixed. I have never been a spoiled sport or sore loser and I don't intend to start now.
What calls went their way that shouldn't have ? I forget.

The other things that you metioned happen, that's football. Dropped passes, poor pass.

Referees being this bad just should not happen, it's a shame.

And from your other post above, the replays showed that there was no holding, but yet a flag was thrown and the Seahawks were penalized for holding. Moving them back from the one yd line where it would have been 1st and goal.

The announcers on TV and radio said it was bogus.

The color guys from ESPN said the offensive pass interference in the EZ was bogus at halftime, we are not making this stuff up.

And the clock hit zero with NOBODY calling TO until afterwards, and then Ben does, and they give it to him.

I can tell that you think everything that occurred was OK, your choice, but others around the country are not OK with it.

[Doomsday101]

What calls went their way that shouldn't have ? I forget.

The other things that you metioned happen, that's football. Dropped passes, poor pass.

Referees being this bad just should not happen, it's a shame.

And from your other post above, the replays showed that there was no holding, but yet a flag was thrown and the Seahawks were penalized for holding. Moving them back from the one yd line where it would have been 1st and goal.

The announcers on TV and radio said it was bogus.

The color guys from ESPN said the offensive pass interference in the EZ was bogus at halftime, we are not making this stuff up.

And the clock hit zero with NOBODY calling TO until afterwards, and then Ben does, and they give it to him.

I can tell that you think everything that occurred was OK, your choice, but others around the country are not OK with it.

Stevens catch and fumble for one and Hasslebeck fumble is another. I'm sure you saw those plays like the officals did right? As far as comments from ESPN or any other media outlet let me just say like many you use them when they agree with your own assesment and berate them when you disagree so don't give me well he said this or that BS

[WV Cowboy]

Stevens catch and fumble for one and Hasslebeck fumble is another. I'm sure you saw those plays like the officals did right? As far as comments from ESPN or any other media outlet let me just say like many you use them when they agree with your own assesment and berate them when you disagree so don't give me well he said this or that BS
I did agree that Hasselbeck was touched while he was going down, replays showed that was right.

But I thought Stevens was a catch and a fumble, which rolled out of bounds.

That would have been a 1st down, whether they gave him the ball where he fumbled or where it rolled out of bounds, which was further down the field.

Either way that call was wrong and hurt the Seahawks too.

And don't accuse me of doing things that you cannot prove, ... you will lose credibility.

[Doomsday101]

I did agree that Hasselbeck was touched while he was going down, replays showed that was right.

But I thought Stevens was a catch and a fumble, which rolled out of bounds.

That would have been a 1st down, whether they gave him the ball where he fumbled or where it rolled out of bounds, which was further down the field.

Either way that call was wrong and hurt the Seahawks too.

And don't accuse me of doing things that you cannot prove, ... you will lose credibility.

Your accusing the Refs and the NFL on things you can't prove. You don't like the outcome of the game so somehow cheating was involved.

[WV Cowboy]

Your accusing the Refs and the NFL on things you can't prove. You don't like the outcome of the game so somehow cheating was involved.
I didn't have to prove them, replays did.

Cheating is your word, not mine.

[Doomsday101]

I didn't have to prove them, replays did.

Cheating is your word, not mine.

Replay did not prove anything. Hassleback 15 yarder was the only one that was clear cut and that 1 call did not change the outcome of the game. As for the holding I did not say it was not holding only that "it was not much of a hold", I have seen that call as well for and aginst us during the season. I think the officals did not do a great job nor do I think either team played well but the only thing that cost Seattle was their own poor play and to blame others just comes off as sour grapes.

[WV Cowboy]

Replay did not prove anything.
Replay did not prove anything.

Dude, the replays are all I'm talking about, I was not at the game, the only thing I am going by is the replays.

The replays formed my opinion.

If I were a Seattle fan, and this was one call, this would be sour grapes, but trust me, I'm not, and it wasn't one call.

You are OK with the officiating, I'm not OK with the officiating, and that is the way it is going to be.

I'm dealing with my opinion, good luck dealing with yours.

[Doomsday101]

Replay did not prove anything.

Dude, the replays are all I'm talking about, I was not at the game, the only thing I am going by is the replays.

The replays formed my opinion.

If I were a Seattle fan, and this was one call, this would be sour grapes, but trust me, I'm not, and it wasn't one call.

You are OK with the officiating, I'm not OK with the officiating, and that is the way it is going to be.

I'm dealing with my opinion, good luck dealing with yours.

Nothing to deal with I'm not the one whinning about it or trying to make claims of bias or cheating or whatever your trying to do to justify your own hatred of the steelers. They won get over it

[WV Cowboy]

Nothing to deal with I'm not the one whinning about it or trying to make claims of bias or cheating or whatever your trying to do to justify your own hatred of the steelers. They won get over it
I told you, I'm dealing with it.

This would be a lot easier if they would have just come out and won the game on performance like past Super Bowl champs.

They sucked to epic proportions and still won the game.

They set Super Bowl records for sucking as a winning team.

I just wish they had been the better team and just gone out and outplayed the Seahawks.

[ConcordCowboy]

If it happened in favor of the cowboys would you be making the same claims? Did Butch Johnson really catch the ball for the TD against Denver in the SB? Or was that a fix? When Dallas played Pitt in SB XXX was Jay Novachecks TD was it an illegal pick play or was the fix on by the refs? There are many instances in almost every game where calls come into question.

Everytime I see that Butch Johnson replay I think how lucky the Cowboys were...He didn't catch that ball.

[Doomsday101]

I told you, I'm dealing with it.

This would be a lot easier if they would have just come out and won the game on performance like past Super Bowl champs.

They sucked to epic proportions and still won the game.

They set Super Bowl records for sucking as a winning team.

I just wish they had been the better team and just gone out and outplayed the Seahawks.

I agree. I was not impressed by either team I felt they both made way too many mistakes and had way too many missed oppertunities than you would expect from 2 teams in a SB game. They both earned their way to the show but once they got there they looked like a couple of teams in a pre-season game.