Which team will win SB first... Cowboys or Redskins?

[REDVOLUTION]

I think this is easy.
Dallas will get the next SB before the Redskins....

The Redskins are gonna wakeup one day and realize
"oh my god, its been 20 years since we last won SuperBowl":eek:

So far its what? 14 years and counting for Redskins... like the Stealers... took them 25 years to STEAL the one for the thumb...
:laugh2:

[gbrittain]

I think this is easy.
Dallas will get the next SB before the Redskins....

The Redskins are gonna wakeup one day and realize
"oh my god, its been 20 years since we last won SuperBowl":eek:

So far its what? 14 years and counting for Redskins... like the Stealers... took them 25 years to STEAL the one for the thumb...
:laugh2:

Definitely Dallas!!!

[ddh33]

Since Dallas is going to win next year as Bill rides off into the sunset, I guess I would have to say the Cowboys.

[Overalls]

Texans

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

Redskins obviously...your recievers will eventually get too old to breathe and they will have to get off the team.

No QB, No Wrs...no RB? No offense? Sounds like the future of Dallas to me.

[Bob Sacamano]

Redskins obviously...your recievers will eventually get too old to breathe and they will have to get off the team.

No QB, No Wrs...no RB? No offense? Sounds like the future of Dallas to me.

you're talking about receivers? dude, you only have ONE :laugh2:

and your QB situation is the same as our's

RB? you got us there, but we're not exactly void of talent there either

[Eskimo]

I don't see either team winning one anytime soon (next 3 years).

After that it is too hard to speculate with coaching and player turnover.

[dragon_mikal]

Until both teams address the many problems that plague them, neither one will even sniff the SB for some time.

[CowboyFan74]

cowboys in 2 or 3

[dragon_mikal]

Redskins obviously...your recievers will eventually get too old to breathe and they will have to get off the team.

No QB, No Wrs...no RB? No offense? Sounds like the future of Dallas to me.

Wow. Ignorance from a Redskins' fan.

How unheard of.:rolleyes:

Considering that the Cowboys and Redskins were almost identical in offensive and defensive production, I fail to understand how you could be so sure of your team's superiority over ours. Is it because you finally beat us in Dallas? Or because you swept us?

The sun even shines on a dog's *** once in a while.:)

[sbuscha]

Redskins obviously...your recievers will eventually get too old to breathe and they will have to get off the team.

No QB, No Wrs...no RB? No offense? Sounds like the future of Dallas to me.


No QB...Wasn't Bledsoe ranked very high in the NFC this year? Another good post from the Redskin peanut gallery

[ghost]

it truly depends on this off season. were coming off an extremely successful season, and we have to build on that. if we can get another WR, and hope that campbell pans out, then us. but what if you guys fill all your needs? who ever fills their holes the most will be the first with another ring.

[Jay9508]

i dont know what to think, the cowboys aren't consistent. one season they're good the next season they're sorry

[kingwhicker]

Neither one anytime soon.

[SkinsFan26]

If the Skins add a playmaker and some O-line depth, I think they go very deep this year even if Brunell is playing. Hell, they won 11 games this year with one WR.

If J Campbell fulfills expectations in 06 or 07, definitely the Skins get to the SB first. I like the chances of him being good; when has Gibbs ever been wrong with a QB? Who's the next QB in Dallas? Leinart is the only solid prospect this year and he isn't going to Dallas.

The Cowboys will improve next season based on the youth of their defense. But they have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball (see numerous threads here daily). Their key players on offense (besides Witten) are ancient and on the decline. The only way the Boys seriously compete in the NFC next year is if they are very busy in free agency (which is not out of the question).

I see the same playoff teams as last year from the NFC with the exception that the Boys get a wild card and the Giants are watching the games on TV.

Skins still are closer than the Cowboys. They already have been 2 games closer and have already improved this offseason (Saunders, Gray) vs (loss of key coaches).

[DallasEast]

Prediction:

If Parcells fixes the offensive line, Dallas will sweep the NFC East next season. Don't know if winning the Super Bowl would follow, but the Cowboys would be a heck of a lot closer in doing so than the Redskins. :)

[DIAF]

Neither one of these teams look to be that close. Toss a coin.

[DragonCowboy]

I would have to say as of this moment Redskins

If Parcells has another productive offseason, then we're pretty neck and neck

If Campbell is a bust, Cowboys

[Bizwah]

Right now, it's a toss-up.

I will say that if not for a Flozell injury, we would've been NFC East champs.

Who knows what the future holds? What key injuries will hit the NFC East? the NFC in general?

Anymore in the NFL, the teams that avoid key injuries are the ones that are successful. All teams are pretty much on an even playing field.

[DragonCowboy]

Right now, it's a toss-up.

I will say that if not for a Flozell injury, we would've been NFC East champs.

Who knows what the future holds? What key injuries will hit the NFC East? the NFC in general?

Anymore in the NFL, the teams that avoid key injuries are the ones that are successful. All teams are pretty much on an even playing field.

exactly. The problem is, we've seemed to get key injuries for the past few years. Last year, i think, Terry Glenn got injured in the first redskin game, and this year, anthony henry and flozell adams both got hurt. I think we got hit hardest at key positions this year, or at the positions where we didn't have the depth we would've wanted(ie O-Line and LB). Here's to hoping we don't have too many key injuries at low depth again.

[Cowboys&Caps]

Texans


we said first not worst!

[The30YardSlant]

Dallas has Jerry Jones

Washington has Danny Boy

If you look up Super Bowl in the dictionary, it reads "The championship game of professional football. For acronym, see Daniel Snyder"

I swear

[RiggoForever]

Redskins within the next 3 seasons, after which Gibbs will retire with 4 SB victories with 4 different QBs and 4 different RBs.

[Seven]

Redskins within the next 3 seasons, after which Gibbs will retire with 4 SB victories with 4 different QBs and 4 different RBs.

All accomplished with 4 seeing eye dogs, 4 changes of depends and a 4 legged walker.http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Just messin'............

[Bob Sacamano]

Their key players on offense (besides Witten) are ancient and on the decline.

Glenn had the best year of his career last year, Bledsoe one of the best years he's had in a couple years, that's not in decline, our OLine sucks, yes, but we can fix that

on D we just need a couple more playmaking LBs and a FS

we dont' have THAT many holes to fill...

[big dog cowboy]

If J Campbell fulfills expectations in 06 or 07, definitely the Skins get to the SB first. I like the chances of him being good
:laugh2:

[DWAREZ]

Redskins obviously...your recievers will eventually get too old to breathe and they will have to get off the team.

No QB, No Wrs...no RB? No offense? Sounds like the future of Dallas to me.

Dallas to be sure..by the way..if Taylor gets jailed I guess your screen name will be jailed too :laugh2::laugh1::lmao2:

[Bizwah]

You can get on our offense for being Old. We do have young talent at TE, RB, and one WR position.

But we can get on the Skins defense for being old. The two DEs are old and not real good. You also have an aging secondary.

Now, there is young talent at all levels of the defense: Griffin at DT, Washington at LB, and Springs at safety. But there's alot of age. Look at all the thirty plus players: Wynn, Salave'a, Daniels, Harris, Springs, Marshall. Those are all major contributors that are at 30 years old.

[Future]

exactly. The problem is, we've seemed to get key injuries for the past few years. Last year, i think, Terry Glenn got injured in the first redskin game, and this year, anthony henry and flozell adams both got hurt. I think we got hit hardest at key positions this year, or at the positions where we didn't have the depth we would've wanted(ie O-Line and LB). Here's to hoping we don't have too many key injuries at low depth again.

lets not forget about crayton

when he went down we were limited at WR which made it even more difficult to spread the field combined with flo goin down

as for redskins, they are miles away from the superbowl...they remind me of the cowboys 1st year of parcells when they were 10-6. i dont see the redskins in the playoffs next year

[REDVOLUTION]

it truly depends on this off season. were coming off an extremely successful season, and we have to build on that. if we can get another WR, and hope that campbell pans out, then us. but what if you guys fill all your needs? who ever fills their holes the most will be the first with another ring.

"extremely successful season"??? you are kidding right?
You had a hot streak to end the season.... then the skins were SEVERELY exposed in TWO playoff games... got away with one game and got hammered in second playoff game.... averaged what 3 points(on offense) per playoff game? with a TD in second game late that was of no significance...

Brunell and skinds are in real trouble...

[Yakuza Rich]

That's a tough one.

REDSKINS POSITIVES

- Went to the playoffs and won a game and were competitive in second round on the road.

- Have *All Star* Coaching Staff

- Much better O-Line.

- Much bigger playmakers on offense (Moss, Portis, and Cooley vs. Glenn, Julius, and Witten)

- Great defense. One of the best in 2004 and their last 7 games in 2005 they were phenomenal. Seem to be only missing one good pass rushing DE from being the best Defense in the NFL.

REDSKINS NEGATIVES

- Much older roster than Dallas'

- QB is a concern (They have Campbell, but he hasn't done anything either).

- Cap Issues (even if they are not in "cap hell", they still are unlikely to get a high profile FA this year and if the 30% rule kicks in, they are in rough shape)

- Lack of drafted players (only 6 of the 22 starters are guys they drafted, SB teams over the last 10 years have been mainly built through the draft).

- Sean Taylor's pending case, which ties into cap issues.

COWBOYS POSITIVES

- Very young roster which played well on a 9-7 team in a tough division (opposed to rookies playing a lot for a 4-12 team)

- DeMarcus Ware appears to be a dynamic pass rusher

- Great secondary, even with liabilities in Davis and Pile.

- Every area that has "Parcells guys" has improved, if not drastically.

- Very cap healthy.

- Have drafted very well under Parcells era. (an estimated 14 of the 22 starters are players drafted by Dallas)

COWBOYS NEGATIVES

- O-Line needs to be overhauled which will be tough given how expensive and old the O-Line is.

- Parcells will probably be out of here before Gibbs and they don't really have an assistant that they know will come in and take over.

- Possible Nose Guard issues, which is important to the 3-4.

- Horrible Field Goal Kicker.

- QB is a concern (same situation as Washington's...old starter, question mark at QB of the future).

Rich.........

[REDVOLUTION]

The Cowboys will improve next season based on the youth of their defense. But they have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball (see numerous threads here daily).

That was cute.:rolleyes:



The only way the Boys seriously compete in the NFC next year is if they are very busy in free agency (which is not out of the question).

Do you speak of the Redskins experience in FA? Because being very busy in Free Agency hasnt paid off for you guys - its been MANY busy years in FA for you guys
:laugh1:



Skins still are closer than the Cowboys. They already have been 2 games closer and have already improved this offseason (Saunders, Gray) vs (loss of key coaches).

Please! You guys got 3 points on offense in first playoff game(lucky to win, good thing Simms didnt have a little more experience) and then 3 more points in 2nd playoff game(with a consolation late TD of no significance and the Hawks handed you your buttocks.

Sorry. I dont see any improvement in Redskins. Definitely NOT ahead of the Boys in any department.

[RiggoForever]

"extremely successful season"??? you are kidding right?
You had a hot streak to end the season.... then the skins were SEVERELY exposed in TWO playoff games... got away with one game and got hammered in second playoff game.... averaged what 3 points(on offense) per playoff game? with a TD in second game late that was of no significance...

Brunell and skinds are in real trouble...

That is why Al Saunders was hired, to diversify our play calling for next season.

Brunell was playing hurt in the playoffs, Gibbs was reluctant to move him out because he doesn't make critical INTs.

I wouldn't say that we were "exposed" at the end of the year, considering our offensive production increased in the second game against the Cowboys and the second game against the Giants.

[RiggoForever]

Sorry. I dont see any improvement in Redskins. Definitely NOT ahead of the Boys in any department.


Well we won the games last year when it counted didn't we? I don't think we are ahead of you talent wise, but we executed down the homestretch of the season.

To say we haven't improved on offense from the 2004 season is being naive.

[Bob Sacamano]

we executed down the homestretch of the season.

the veteran factor, and relatively good health, and your 2nd half schedule was pretty weak with the exception of facing us and the Giants

[REDVOLUTION]

That is why Al Saunders was hired, to diversify our play calling for next season.

Brunell was playing hurt in the playoffs, Gibbs was reluctant to move him out because he doesn't make critical INTs.

I wouldn't say that we were "exposed" at the end of the year, considering our offensive production increased in the second game against the Cowboys and the second game against the Giants.

Exposed in playoffs. For sure. If you want to blame injuries, thats fine. WE could do the same. We could blame missed kicks and then you guys done even make playoffs EVEN after sweeping us. Only the facts. THREE points in each playoff game for you guys. Way to represent. And then the Giants with that Zero. I see a pattern with the Giants franchise. ZERO points in last SB on offense.

[RiggoForever]

Exposed in playoffs. For sure. If you want to blame injuries, thats fine. WE could do the same. We could blame missed kicks and then you guys done even make playoffs EVEN after sweeping us. Only the facts. THREE points in each playoff game for you guys. Way to represent. And then the Giants with that Zero. I see a pattern with the Giants franchise. ZERO points in last SB on offense.

I won't blame it on injuries. Truth is when a team has to treat the last 5 games as do or die, its hard to hold that through the playoffs against teams like the Seahawks who had been mentally preparing for weeks for the playoffs. Yes the Steelers won 4 do or die regular season games and then swept through the playoffs, but they were 15-1 last year and have been playing at a high level longer then this team.

Your logic is like me saying the Cowboys suck because we beat you by 28 points, when the truth is that we probably played our best game of the year, and you probably played your worst. It was do or die for us and everyone was fired up after hearing about how the press and naysayers was calling the Monday night game a fluke.

That being said, I do agree with you on the Giants and don't think they'll win the division, but they'll still be a dangerous team next year much like the Eagles were this year (despite their 6-10 record) they didn't lay down for the other NFC East teams.

I see the East in 2006 being between the Eagles, Cowboys, and Redskins with the Giants a bit behind the pack.

[The30YardSlant]

The Redskins are ahead of the Cowboys like Brett Farve is ahead of Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, Washington is more experianced and is better in the clutch now, but they are so much older and less talented at this point that the ability to execute wont matter much pretty soon.

Noodle arm will never have a nother season like this. He will only go downhill from here.

Washington is nearly 20 million over the cap. They can only get that number down to about 5 million over by restructuring contracts, which means that a key player or two will be gone, likely Lavar Arrington or Shawn Springs.

Add to that the fact that they dont have a first round pick (Dallas does) and they will have virtually no room to sign FAs (Dallas will have over 15 million) and you get a old team that is only getting older and not bringing in much talent to help those old players.

Dallas, on the other hand, is improving rapibly. We are a decent FS away from having one of if not the best secondary in pro football. Our top 3 corners would all be #1 or #2 CBs on almost every team in football. We have an 8 deep rotation on the D-Line, 5 of which are in their 4th year or less. We have one of the premiere pass rushers in football in Demarcus Ware. If Dallas can fix their O-Line, they are ahead of Washington, plain and simple.

[REDVOLUTION]

Seahawks had been mentally preparing for weeks for the playoffs.

Let me get this straight. You guys lost to the Seahawks because they had been mentally preparing for weeks? Do I have that right??? That why you scored 3 points on offense?

WOW! :eek:

[RiggoForever]

The Redskins are ahead of the Cowboys like Brett Farve is ahead of Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, Washington is more experianced and is better in the clutch now, but they are so much older and less talented at this point that the ability to execute wont matter much pretty soon.

Less talented? I don't see that occurring in any position except for your defensive line being younger and probably more talented then ours.

Noodle arm will never have a nother season like this. He will only go downhill from here.

Sure...just remember your QB is as old as ours, makes more mental mistakes, and John Elway won 2 Super Bowls at age 37 and 38.

Washington is nearly 20 million over the cap. They can only get that number down to about 5 million over by restructuring contracts, which means that a key player or two will be gone, likely Lavar Arrington or Shawn Springs.

Ok, if the CBA is not extended, we will have very little room to do anything in free agency. But Lavar counts more against the cap if we release him, so we are likely to restructure, particularly if the CBA is not extended. Yes, other players will be cap casulties, but they won't be any of our key players, certainly not Springs. We don't need that much though in FA, other then another WR threat and a solid speed rusher.

Add to that the fact that they dont have a first round pick (Dallas does) and they will have virtually no room to sign FAs (Dallas will have over 15 million) and you get a old team that is only getting older and not bringing in much talent to help those old players.

Portis is young, Carlos Rogers is young, Sean Taylor is young, Moss is young, Cooley is young. Three of those 5 players were drafted so I don't get the whole "Redskins never draft good players" argument.

Dallas, on the other hand, is improving rapibly. We are a decent FS away from having one of if not the best secondary in pro football. Our top 3 corners would all be #1 or #2 CBs on almost every team in football. We have an 8 deep rotation on the D-Line, 5 of which are in their 4th year or less. We have one of the premiere pass rushers in football in Demarcus Ware. If Dallas can fix their O-Line, they are ahead of Washington, plain and simple.

Both Dallas and Washington secondaries are solid. Our defenses finished in a near statistical tie at the end of the season. Next year should be really interesting...don't expect to see any collapses in my Skins. In 13 years of coaching, Gibbs has only had 2 losing seasons, one of which was his first year back.

[The30YardSlant]

So now Mark Brunell = John Elway?

Brilliant :rolleyes:

John Elway is better RIGHT NOW at age 44 than Brunell has ever been

[RiggoForever]

Let me get this straight. You guys lost to the Seahawks because they had been mentally preparing for weeks? Do I have that right??? That why you scored 3 points on offense?

WOW! :eek:

Actually we scored 10, nearly 17 if not for a dropped ball at the end of the game.

We lost because we were outplayed, plain and simple. Part of the reason we were outplayed IMO was the fact that we looked slow and tired on offense, and the Seahawks looked quick and controlled the line of scrimmage. No excuses, but its very rare that the number 1 seed loses at home in the playoffs to the last wild card team. Look at what Seattle did to Carolina in the NFC Championship...I'm proud of the effort we gave.

[The30YardSlant]

Portis is young, Carlos Rogers is young, Sean Taylor is young, Moss is young, Cooley is young. Three of those 5 players were drafted so I don't get the whole "Redskins never draft good players" argument.

Portis only runs hard when he feels like it, Rogers sucks, Taylor is going to jail, and Cooley isnt half the player Washington fans make him out to be. Dallas has Jason Witten, who is 10 times the player Cooley is.

[RiggoForever]

So now Mark Brunell = John Elway?

Brilliant :rolleyes:

John Elway is better RIGHT NOW at age 44 than Brunell has ever been

Never said he was lol. But if Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien can win a Super Bowl, anyone can with a solid defense and supporting cast on offense.

Just saying that Elway showed a QB doesn't necessarily decline beyond comprehension. If anything he played better after 35 then he did before he was 30.

[RiggoForever]

Portis only runs hard when he feels like it, Rogers sucks, Taylor is going to jail, and Cooley isnt half the player Washington fans make him out to be. Dallas has Jason Witten, who is 10 times the player Cooley is.

Man you are a hardcore Cowboy fan aren't you? :)

[The30YardSlant]

Never said he was lol. But if Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien can win a Super Bowl, anyone can with a solid defense and supporting cast on offense.

Just saying that Elway showed a QB doesn't necessarily decline beyond comprehension. If anything he played better after 35 then he did before he was 30.

Yes, but Elway could throw farther than 45 yards and didnt fumble every other play

[REDVOLUTION]

Actually we scored 10, nearly 17 if not for a dropped ball at the end of the game.

We lost because we were outplayed, plain and simple. Part of the reason we were outplayed IMO was the fact that we looked slow and tired on offense, and the Seahawks looked quick and controlled the line of scrimmage. No excuses, but its very rare that the number 1 seed loses at home in the playoffs to the last wild card team. Look at what Seattle did to Carolina in the NFC Championship...I'm proud of the effort we gave.

Yes. I mentioned the 1 TD. It was late and inconsequential.

I would NEVER be proud(of the effort) of putting up 3 points in back to back playoff games on offense. Nope. Never.

[The30YardSlant]

Man you are a hardcore Cowboy fan aren't you? :)

Whats not to agree with? Portis has a history of playing lackluster football, even dating back to his days at the U, Rogers got burned as bad as anyone in football, Taylor's crime requires a minimum of 3 years in a federal prison, and Cooley is just an average TE (ecuse me, "H-Back", as if we were still in 1985 here).

[RiggoForever]

Yes. I mentioned the 1 TD. It was late and inconsequential.

I would NEVER be proud(of the effort) of putting up 3 points in back to back playoff games on offense. Nope. Never.

I'm not happy about it, but to say those games were indicative of the way the offense played the whole season just isn't true.

[RiggoForever]

Whats not to agree with? Portis has a history of playing lackluster football, even dating back to his days at the U, Rogers got burned as bad as anyone in football, Taylor's crime requires a minimum of 3 years in a federal prison, and Cooley is just an average TE (ecuse me, "H-Back", as if we were still in 1985 here).

Lackluster football for Portis? He ran for 5 straight 100 yard games to end the season. He literally carried us on his shoulders for the Eagles game.

Yes Rogers was burned a few times (like all rookie CBs, but he also made great plays and won the job of starting CB midway through the season).

Taylor hasn't been proven guilty by a jury yet...if he goes to jail and misses the season I'll be worried. He's the most physically gifted player on our team.

You'd call 71 catches average? He should have been in the Pro Bowl but wasn't because H-back isn't a position many offenses have.

[The30YardSlant]

Lackluster football for Portis? He ran for 5 straight 100 yard games to end the season. He literally carried us on his shoulders for the Eagles game.

Yes Rogers was burned a few times (like all rookie CBs, but he also made great plays and won the job of starting CB midway through the season).

Taylor hasn't been proven guilty by a jury yet...if he goes to jail and misses the season I'll be worried. He's the most physically gifted player on our team.

You'd call 71 catches average? He should have been in the Pro Bowl but wasn't because H-back isn't a position many offenses have.

H-Back = Not fast enough for a RB, not a good enough blocker for a FB, and not good enough hands/blocking for a TE

There's nothing special about catching 71 5 yard outs with an occasional run after catch

[RiggoForever]

H-Back = Not fast enough for a RB, not a good enough blocker for a FB, and not good enough hands/blocking for a TE

There's nothing special about catching 71 5 yard outs with an occasional run after catch

Actually Gibbs innovated the H-back position in large part to combat against Lawrence Taylor back in the 80s. Cooley helped us compensate this year for our lack of a solid #2.

[REDVOLUTION]

Actually Gibbs innovated the H-back position in large part to combat against Lawrence Taylor back in the 80s. Cooley helped us compensate this year for our lack of a solid #2.

Yeah how did that work out for Theiiiisman?
:lmao2:

[REDVOLUTION]

I'm not happy about it, but to say those games were indicative of the way the offense played the whole season just isn't true.

Those playoff games just showed how you guys played against good defenses in the playoffs against good teams WHEN it really counted thats all.

[The30YardSlant]

Actually Gibbs innovated the H-back position in large part to combat against Lawrence Taylor back in the 80s. Cooley helped us compensate this year for our lack of a solid #2.

Yeah, tell that to Joe Theisman's left leg

[RiggoForever]

Yeah, tell that to Joe Theisman's left leg

Think it came after that, definately after the 86 season when Taylor had 20 sacks.

[Bob Sacamano]

Think it came after that, definately after the 86 season when Taylor had 20 sacks.

expect more of the same, except it's going to be Ware getting 20 sacks on you guys ;)

[SkinsFan26]

You also have an aging secondary.



Are you nuts?! This might be the youngest secondary in the league!

Sean Taylor - 22
Carlos Rogers - 24
Ryan Clark - 26
Shawn Springs - 30

[SkinsFan26]

Portis only runs hard when he feels like it, Rogers sucks, Taylor is going to jail, and Cooley isnt half the player Washington fans make him out to be. Dallas has Jason Witten, who is 10 times the player Cooley is.

Ha ha.

1500 yards is alright by me.

Rogers will be a pro-bowl caliber player in 06

Taylor isn't going anywhere.

Cooley would be in Hawaii right now if H-back was on the pro bowl ballot.

Witten is great, but come on.

[Bob Sacamano]

Sean Taylor - 22~gone
Carlos Rogers - 24~ok
Ryan Clark - 26~:laugh1:
Shawn Springs - 30~gone

[Bob Sacamano]

Witten is great, but come on.

c'mon what? let's see Cooley put up a year like Witten did in '04, and then put up a year like this year, and then we can talk about him...

[DWAREZ]

Lackluster football for Portis? He ran for 5 straight 100 yard games to end the season. He literally carried us on his shoulders for the Eagles game.

Yes Rogers was burned a few times (like all rookie CBs, but he also made great plays and won the job of starting CB midway through the season).

Taylor hasn't been proven guilty by a jury yet...if he goes to jail and misses the season I'll be worried. He's the most physically gifted player on our team.

You'd call 71 catches average? He should have been in the Pro Bowl but wasn't because H-back isn't a position many offenses have.

Taylor is also the dumbest with a close second being Portis..ever heard him speak? Stop being a homer..the Skins are getting crusty with no 1# draft pick this year due to a foolish trade with Denver.

The Skins will not raise a Lombardi for a LONGGGGGGGG LONGGGGGGG time!! :lmao2::laugh1::laugh2:

[RiggoForever]

Taylor is also the dumbest with a close second being Portis..ever heard him speak? Stop being a homer..the Skins are getting crusty with no 1# draft pick this year due to a foolish trade with Denver.

The Skins will not raise a Lombardi for a LONGGGGGGGG LONGGGGGGG time!! :lmao2::laugh1::laugh2:


The jury is still out on Campbell, so to say the trade was foolish now is premature. If Campbell turns out to be a bust, then it was foolish but right now its too early to tell. If he turns out to be a top tier QB, the low first round pick this year was worth it.

[RiggoForever]

Those playoff games just showed how you guys played against good defenses in the playoffs against good teams WHEN it really counted thats all.

Haha. The team and fans this year were happy just to get into the playoffs. The win in the wild card round was just a bonus. Next year is Super Bowl or bust, the way it was this year for Seattle.

[Bob Sacamano]

who will win a Super Bowl 1st, skins or Cowboys?

let's conduct a poll ;)

[The30YardSlant]

Ha ha.

1500 yards is alright by me.

Rogers will be a pro-bowl caliber player in 06

Taylor isn't going anywhere.

Cooley would be in Hawaii right now if H-back was on the pro bowl ballot.

Witten is great, but come on.

And why is H-Back not on the Pro Bowl ballot? Oh, that's right, because its the dinosaur of NFL positions, extinct.

Rogers will be a pro-bowl caliber player when mutants from Venus start building an advanced civilization inside my nasal cavity.

Taylor is going to jail, the evidence against him is overwhelming, and the madatory sentence is 3 years.

Witten is bigger, stronger, faster, and has better hands than Cooley. He also plays a real NFL position.

[RiggoForever]

And why is H-Back not on the Pro Bowl ballot? Oh, that's right, because its the dinosaur of NFL positions, extinct.

Its because most offenses don't use it, even you have to admit that the way Gibbs used Cooley this year was pretty smart, given our lack of another receiving threat besides Moss.

Rogers will be a pro-bowl caliber player when mutants from Venus start building an advanced civilization inside my nasal cavity.

I'm going to save this post and hold you to your words here on that statement.

Taylor is going to jail, the evidence against him is overwhelming, and the madatory sentence is 3 years.

What evidence? The word of two men who stole his ATV and have unsavory backgrounds? I'd be worried if there was video footage, but from all I've heard the evidence is pretty weak. I get the feeling that once the trial starts (March 20)...there will be alot of coverage here in Redskin territory.

Witten is bigger, stronger, faster, and has better hands than Cooley. He also plays a real NFL position.

Bigger and stronger yes, but Cooley has had just as much production this year

[RiggoForever]

who will win a Super Bowl 1st, skins or Cowboys?

let's conduct a poll ;)

We should conduct some friendly wagers on this as well as both the games that are played next year

[REDVOLUTION]

Haha. The team and fans this year were happy just to get into the playoffs. The win in the wild card round was just a bonus. Next year is Super Bowl or bust, the way it was this year for Seattle.

Bust -- Ba-Bust, Ba-Bust -- Ba-Bust, Bust, Bust, Bust!

[Bizwah]

The only reason Witten didn't have greater numbers is the fact that we had a pretty good WR corps.

We had two WRs with over 700 yards receiving. Crayton also played a big role at the beginning of the season.

Witten had to share.....

All the Skins had was Moss.....naturally, Cooley had more opportunities. Remember two years ago when Witten had 90 catches?

So, for Witten to have as many rec. as Cooley......while having to share with a superior receiving corps....speaks to his superior talent.

[REDVOLUTION]

Haha. The team and fans this year were happy just to get into the playoffs. The win in the wild card round was just a bonus. Next year is Super Bowl or bust, the way it was this year for Seattle.

:clap2:
Thank you. Thank you very much.

THAT is something that will ALWAYS set the Dallas Cowboys apart from the rest of the NFL. We will NEVER be "happy just to be there" - We WANT to Win!!

[RiggoForever]

The only reason Witten didn't have greater numbers is the fact that we had a pretty good WR corps.

We had two WRs with over 700 yards receiving. Crayton also played a big role at the beginning of the season.

Witten had to share.....

All the Skins had was Moss.....naturally, Cooley had more opportunities. Remember two years ago when Witten had 90 catches?

So, for Witten to have as many rec. as Cooley......while having to share with a superior receiving corps....speaks to his superior talent.

You could also say that defenses knew Moss and Cooley were our only receiving threats early on, and game planned accordingly...yet this didn't stop their effectiveness until the playoffs, when Brunell was playing like a wounded dog.

[RiggoForever]

:clap2:
Thank you. Thank you very much.

THAT is something that will ALWAYS set the Dallas Cowboys apart from the rest of the NFL. We will NEVER be "happy just to be there" - We WANT to Win!!

We want to win too, but theres a difference between making the playoffs as a 1 seed versus a 6 seed. Losing still hurts but it accentuated the weaknesses of our offense that need to be addressed in the offseason, which is a good thing.

Admittedly if the CBA is not extended we will have trouble signing any new free agents this year.

[DWAREZ]

The jury is still out on Campbell, so to say the trade was foolish now is premature. If Campbell turns out to be a bust, then it was foolish but right now its too early to tell. If he turns out to be a top tier QB, the low first round pick this year was worth it.

Just like Ramsey was not foolish as well..lol..Skins are a mess bro :bang2:

[RandyWhiteRules]

Neither one of these teams are going to the "Show" anytime soon.

Both teams have too many holes and will have new coaches in a year or two; which will translate into another 5 year rebuilding plan.

[RiggoForever]

Just like Ramsey was not foolish as well..lol..Skins are a mess bro :bang2:

Ramsey never had a chance...our OL sucked and Spurrier was more concerned about trying to run 4 and 5 wide out sets rather then protecting the QB. When Ramsey had to come in relief against the Giants this year, he played great.

[RiggoForever]

Neither one of these teams are going to the "Show" anytime soon.

Both teams have too many holes and will have new coaches in a year or two; which will translate into another 5 year rebuilding plan.

I wouldn't rule out either team...based on the fact that 5-11 teams going to 11-5 is fairly common in the NFL these days, heck New England went from 5-11 to winning a SB in 1 year, which is rare, but still. The way things are set up right now places a premium on coaching and player development, since all teams have a salary cap on their players.

[SkinsFan26]

Who had the better year? COOLEY! 2 wins also :)

Chris Cooley
71 catches
774 yards
7 TD

Jason Witten
66 catches
757 yards
6 TD

In fact, Cooley has the same amount of TD in his first 2 years that Witten has had in his 3 years in the league.

[The30YardSlant]

Who had the better year? COOLEY! 2 wins also :)

Chris Cooley
71 catches
774 yards
7 TD

Jason Witten
66 catches
757 yards
6 TD

In fact, Cooley has the same amount of TD in his first 2 years that Witten has had in his 3 years in the league.

1: Witten didnt start his first year in the NFL, Cooley did

2: Dallas had 4 big receiving threats, Washington had 2

[SkinsFan26]

1: Witten didnt start his first year in the NFL, Cooley did



Hitta - do you check facts or just spurt nonsense?!

Cooley didn't start until the second half of his rookie year, just like Witten.

Witten has played nearly a full season more and has not outproduced Cooley. Cooley also suffered with that putrid offense in 2004 (30th in league scoring).

Witten 38 (7 in rookie year) games started - 13 TD

Cooley 25 (9 in rookie year) games started - 13 TD

[DezBRomo9]

We should conduct some friendly wagers on this as well as both the games that are played next year

And if Bubba in Miami-Dade prison makes Sean Taylor a man....:lmao2:

[demdcowboys#1]

Your asking this question on a cowboys board, what do you expect the answer to be:)

Dallas hands down.

[The30YardSlant]

Hitta - do you check facts or just spurt nonsense?!

Cooley didn't start until the second half of his rookie year, just like Witten.

Witten has played nearly a full season more and has not outproduced Cooley. Cooley also suffered with that putrid offense in 2004 (30th in league scoring).

Witten 38 (7 in rookie year) games started - 13 TD

Cooley 25 (9 in rookie year) games started - 13 TD

Cooley started from day 1, as he was the only H-Back on the Redskins roster. The stats that show "starts" only show players who played the first play of the game, the H-Back isnt used every play.

, you dont even know your own F'ing team.

[SkinsFan26]

Cooley started from day 1, as he was the only H-Back on the Redskins roster. The stats that show "starts" only show players who played the first play of the game, the H-Back isnt used every play.

, you dont even know your own F'ing team.

Cooley was used sparingly the first half of 2004 and has started and played 80% of downs since.

[RedskinsFanInTX]

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[DWAREZ]

Ramsey never had a chance...our OL sucked and Spurrier was more concerned about trying to run 4 and 5 wide out sets rather then protecting the QB. When Ramsey had to come in relief against the Giants this year, he played great.

The question was not answered..Ramsey is considered a bust by Gibbs and friends if not why trade to draft a qb in round one? Second, Ramsey only played in that game because Brunnel was injured!!!!

[KINGBRICE_28]

uhhh.......it's like 100-1 cowboys.....

Go post this on ES and it'll be 1-100 skins.....

:rolleyes:

post this on a Cleveland brown site and it would be 70-30 skins.....Didn't espn already pick us to win next year anyways.......I laughed because experts are never right....

then again someone has to be right ......maybe.....

[RiggoForever]

The question was not answered..Ramsey is considered a bust by Gibbs and friends if not why trade to draft a qb in round one? Second, Ramsey only played in that game because Brunnel was injured!!!!

I wouldn't say he's considered a bust. I would say that he's considered a horse that's been spooked and hence is likely to panic/make rash decisions on the field. He has the better arm over Brunell...the reason Gibbs started Brunell (and other Skins fans can attest to this, is that Brunell rarely throws INTs. If he does, its rarely multiple INTs in a game). I think Gibbs didn't feel comfortable starting Ramsey this year and wanted to have a QB that is more experienced at game management.

I see Ramsey as having to start to regain confidence...unfortunately that's unlikely to be with the Redskins with Brunell and Campbell here. Once he regains his confidence, he will be a very good QB IMO.

[riggo]

Cooley started from day 1, as he was the only H-Back on the Redskins roster. The stats that show "starts" only show players who played the first play of the game, the H-Back isnt used every play.

, you dont even know your own F'ing team.

true enough about the 'starts'. but, you said 'witten didnt start' his first year. he started 7 games and had 35 catches.

[clayman]

Taylor is also the dumbest with a close second being Portis..ever heard him speak? Stop being a homer..the Skins are getting crusty with no 1# draft pick this year due to a foolish trade with Denver.

The Skins will not raise a Lombardi for a LONGGGGGGGG LONGGGGGGG time!! :lmao2::laugh1::laugh2:



Portis unfortunately is a way better speaker than our Emmitt. :banghead:

[DWAREZ]

Portis unfortunately is a way better speaker than our Emmitt. :banghead:

Emmitt was Bad but portis borders "short bus" status!! :bang2::laugh1::laugh2:

[clayman]

Emmitt was Bad but portis borders "short bus" status!! :bang2::laugh1::laugh2:

Well seeing Emmitt weekly this year on the NFL Network and his using "axe" and misusing plurals was like nails on a chalkboard to me. At least Portis could hide behind whatever his disguise was....poor Emmitt was next to solid talkers in TD, Rod, Lincoln, and Eisen.

[DWAREZ]

I wouldn't say he's considered a bust. I would say that he's considered a horse that's been spooked and hence is likely to panic/make rash decisions on the field. He has the better arm over Brunell...the reason Gibbs started Brunell (and other Skins fans can attest to this, is that Brunell rarely throws INTs. If he does, its rarely multiple INTs in a game). I think Gibbs didn't feel comfortable starting Ramsey this year and wanted to have a QB that is more experienced at game management.

I see Ramsey as having to start to regain confidence...unfortunately that's unlikely to be with the Redskins with Brunell and Campbell here. Once he regains his confidence, he will be a very good QB IMO.

It is obvious that Gibbs and Danny-boy think Ramsey is now a bust..or at least a "bust" for their new scheme. Here are the simple facts on the matter:

1) You do not demote the starter for a demoted Brunnel unless you think he is NOT the answer at the QB position. Part of being a "bust" at the QB position is INTs and poor decision making. Gibbs chose the "old" guy because he makes less mistakes!! Ramsey played enough during his Skins tenure for them to know what they have in the player.

2) You do not trade a first rounder to draft a QB if you think you have the franchise QB on the roster. Gibbs does not make this move unless he thinks Ramsey is a bust. Brunnel is functional but not the answer for the future of the Skins.

3) They will not give away Ramsey by releasing him unless it benefits them somehow. They will attempt to bloat his value to trade him to a QB needy team or simply keep him for depth if the cost is not prohibative.

Now is your chance to not be a homer and admit that Ramsey has been a "busted" pick for the Skins just like I admit Quincy Carter was a "bust" for Dallas. Teams make mistakes and Ramsey is certainly one of many for the Skins. I think Campbell will be a bust too but that is based more on his college days so I will not speak on that until we see more of him in the NFL. Just be honest...BUSTED!!! :lmao2::lmao:

[DWAREZ]

Well seeing Emmitt weekly this year on the NFL Network and his using "axe" and misusing plurals was like nails on a chalkboard to me. At least Portis could hide behind whatever his disguise was....poor Emmitt was next to solid talkers in TD, Rod, Lincoln, and Eisen.

I agree on Emmitt and he was fired..but Portis is really in trouble..the man cannot complete a coherent sentence. :eek:

[clayman]

I agree on Emmitt and he was fired..but Portis is really in trouble..the man cannot complete a coherent sentence. :eek:

Emmitt was fired???

:laugh2: on portis's sentences

[riggo]

Now is your chance to not be a homer and admit that Ramsey has been a "busted" pick for the Skins just like I admit Quincy Carter was a "bust" for Dallas. Teams make mistakes and Ramsey is certainly one of many for the Skins. I think Campbell will be a bust too but that is based more on his college days so I will not speak on that until we see more of him in the NFL. Just be honest...BUSTED!!! :lmao2::lmao:


you can't label ramsey a bust in any way approaching quincy carters bust label. carter isnt even in the NFL. ramsey may or may not be around for years to come, but that has yet to be determined.

and, up til this year, the skins have had nothing around the QB position that would allow anyone to make an accurate determination of how good ramsey or anyone else can be.