What do you guys think about Steve Grogan?

[Jarv]

I watched a lot of him, growing up here in CT. A very good fundemental QB. Just wondered if any of you have followed his coaching career. He's the OC for the fire and will be tutoring our YOUNG Drew.

I personally always respected him, but don't know much about him after his playing days ended.

Will Drew benifit from his tutoring ? Thoughts ?

[jksmith269]

I watched a lot of him, growing up here in CT. A very good fundemental QB. Just wondered if any of you have followed his coaching career. He's the OC for the fire and will be tutoring our YOUNG Drew.

I personally always respected him, but don't know much about him after his playing days ended.

Will Drew benifit from his tutoring ? Thoughts ?
I think Drew needs playing time more than anything else. I don't know if a few months with Steve will help or hurt. I just want to see him play.

[speedkilz88]

I believe the Rhein Fire OCs name is Steve Logan.

[Jarv]

I believe the Rhein Fire OCs name is Steve Logan.

Oh...Opps...lol

[trickblue]

For some reason, I was a big Steve Grogan fan back in the day...

I always felt he was a very under-rated QB... and figured he could be a good coach...

[Doomsday101]

I watched a lot of him, growing up here in CT. A very good fundemental QB. Just wondered if any of you have followed his coaching career. He's the OC for the fire and will be tutoring our YOUNG Drew.

I personally always respected him, but don't know much about him after his playing days ended.

Will Drew benifit from his tutoring ? Thoughts ?


Grogan is not the OC.

“I really tip my hat off to offensive coordinator, Steve Logan, he did a great job of understanding the concepts and we came out here and put it together today.”

[trickblue]

I believe the Rhein Fire OCs name is Steve Logan.

Too bad... I wonder what Grogan is doing now?

[Juke99]

Oh....I thought this was a thread about signing him to play QB for us...

Parcells likes veteran QB's...

[Jarv]

Oh....I thought this was a thread about signing him to play QB for us...

Parcells likes veteran QB's...

Lol...Okay guys, you got me...Another dislexic mistake by Jarv.

Feel free to close or move the thread...

[Aikmaniac]

I was always bothered by his neck pads...

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2000/0906/photo/ss_grogan_i.jpg

[Doomsday101]

Lol...Okay guys, you got me...Another dislexic mistake by Jarv.

Feel free to close or move the thread...

It happens. LOL

[Cbz40]

I watched a lot of him, growing up here in CT. A very good fundemental QB. Just wondered if any of you have followed his coaching career. He's the OC for the fire and will be tutoring our YOUNG Drew.

I personally always respected him, but don't know much about him after his playing days ended.

Will Drew benifit from his tutoring ? Thoughts ?

If he can coach half as well as he played QB and I would bet he can.......he would be great mentor for a young QB.

[trickblue]

Where are they now: Steve Grogan
By Dan O'Sullivan
ABC Sports Online

Steve Grogan, who threw for 26,886 yards during a 16-year NFL career, joined the Patriots in 1975 as a fifth-round pick out of Kansas State. Early on, he was a dangerous running threat who picked up 539 yards on the ground in 1978. He later evolved into a pocket passer with a penchant for the long ball and helped lead the Patriots to their first Super Bowl in 1986. Grogan retired from the Patriots in 1990. He now owns Grogan-Marciano Sporting Goods in Mansfield, Mass., and does some radio and television work covering the Patriots. Grogan lives in Foxboro, Mass., where he shares a home with his wife and two of his three sons.

ABC Sports Online: What made you such an effective runner?

Steve Grogan: I was a pretty good athlete. We ran the ball a lot in high school, and while at Kansas State we ran the option offense. So I really didn't know much about the passing game when I came in the league, and suddenly halfway through my rookie year I was starting for a National Football League team. I really didn't have any idea of what I was doing out there; I was just having fun. I'd drop back and if my first or second options weren't there, I'd take off and run with it because it was something I had done most of my football career. I did that the first four or five years, then I had knee problems. I think one of the things I'm most proud of is that I was able to adapt my skills from being a running quarterback to a pocket passer later in my career when my running ability had diminished.

ABC Sports Online: The Patriots of the late '70s had some great offensive weapons: Stanley Morgan, Sam Bam Cunningham, Russ Francis, Harold Jackson and others. Was that the best talent you ever had around you?

Grogan: I would say probably so. That whole late-'70s group was close on and off the field. We worked well together, ran the ball extremely well, threw it deep extremely well, had some success. Probably not as much [success] as we should have had, but it was a fun group of guys.

ABC Sports Online: The Patriots' coaching situation fell into disarray near the end of the 1978 season, when Chuck Fairbanks left for the University of Colorado. What do you recall from that time?

Grogan: It was tough because there was a lot of confusion over what was taking place and what was going to take place. Fairbanks had already told Colorado that he was coming out there to take over as coach. [Patriots owner] Billy Sullivan found out about it and fired him before the last game of the season in Miami. So we had co-head coaches for the last game, Ron Erhardt and Hank Bullough, the two coordinators. And Fairbanks came back for the playoffs. But there was just a lot of confusion and uncertainty about the whole situation as far as the players were concerned.

ABC Sports Online: On Sept. 18, 1978, the Patriots lost to the Baltimore Colts 34-27 on Monday Night Football. What are your memories from that game and about the Colts' Joe Washington, who had an outstanding night?

Grogan: Joe Washington was a tremendous athlete. He threw for a touchdown that night, ran for one and returned a kick [for a touchdown], if I'm not mistaken. [Ed. note: Washington caught a touchdown pass but did not run for one.] It was a back-and-forth game, a rainy night. We came back toward the end to go ahead, and then he took the kickoff and ran it back to beat us. A very disappointing evening.

ABC Sports Online: Seven years later, you reached Super Bowl XX. Did the disappointment of that 46-10 loss to the Bears overshadow everything else the Patriots accomplished that season?

Grogan: The Super Bowl was a tremendous experience. I think all of us remember the time leading up to the game and how much excitement there was around here. The game was a disappointing loss. But with the year we had, with the new coaching staff and no one expecting us to do much, the outcome of the Super Bowl didn't diminish the fun that we had that year. I remember riding in on buses to the airport, and people pulling over their cars and honking and waving. I had never seen anything like that in New England, at least for a football team.

ABC Sports Online: What did you do post-retirement? Did you try to stay in football?

Grogan: I had interviewed for two coaching jobs. I actually had a coaching job in a new spring league that started for about a month and then went under. I had interviews for a couple of college jobs and was told by both places that I knew a lot of football, [but] that I needed experience coaching at the high school or small college level and work my way up. By that time I was about 40 years old and had a family to feed and didn't feel like I wanted to climb the ladder or needed to climb the ladder. So I had the opportunity to buy this sporting goods business that had been here for awhile. I did some investigating and, in October of 1994, bought it.

ABC Sports Online: What are your thoughts on how Drew Bledsoe has developed the past couple of years?

Grogan: [In] the last year, he's really developed into the kind of quarterback [the Patriots] expected him to be: a franchise-type guy. I always had some doubts about his toughness and leadership ability. But from about the midpoint of 1998, you could see he feels comfortable taking over the leadership role of that team. He's played with injuries and I see him developing as the years go by into one of the all-time greats.

ABC Sports Online: Do you consider yourself a lifetime New Englander now?

Grogan: I think probably. When I got out of football, I tried to find something out [near Kansas] because I still have family back there. But I've been here for over 25 years now, and my name carries a lot more weight here than it does back there. So you go where the opportunities are.

[Cbz40]

Thanks TB

[Nors]

ABC Sports Online: What are your thoughts on how Drew Bledsoe has developed the past couple of years?

Grogan: [In] the last year, he's really developed into the kind of quarterback [the Patriots] expected him to be: a franchise-type guy. I always had some doubts about his toughness and leadership ability. But from about the midpoint of 1998, you could see he feels comfortable taking over the leadership role of that team. He's played with injuries and I see him developing as the years go by into one of the all-time greats.

[burmafrd]

What was the date of that Where are they now?

[burmafrd]

I remember his rookie year- he ran for like 10 TDs and passed for 10. Or something like that. He was fun to watch. I think they called the offense Grogans Hero's for a while. Shame he got injured- but that was inevitable. By the time he got to the SB, he was pretty immobile. Just meat on the table for the Bears. Interesting what he had tosay about Bledsoe.

[trickblue]

I remember his rookie year- he ran for like 10 TDs and passed for 10. Or something like that. He was fun to watch. I think they called the offense Grogans Hero's for a while. Shame he got injured- but that was inevitable. By the time he got to the SB, he was pretty immobile. Just meat on the table for the Bears. Interesting what he had tosay about Bledsoe.

That's why I liked him, he was alot of fun to watch and he threw a really nice deep ball...

[Doomsday101]

I remember his rookie year- he ran for like 10 TDs and passed for 10. Or something like that. He was fun to watch. I think they called the offense Grogans Hero's for a while. Shame he got injured- but that was inevitable. By the time he got to the SB, he was pretty immobile. Just meat on the table for the Bears. Interesting what he had tosay about Bledsoe.

Some of the most entertaining games I saw back then were the matchup between the Pats with Grogan and the Colts with Bert Jones.

[CrazyCowboy]

Grogan was on of the best running/throwing QB's of all time and what a competitor.......he will not hurt Drew at all.

[Cbz40]

Some of the most entertaining games I saw back then were the matchup between the Pats with Grogan and the Colts with Bert Jones.


Yes indeed........Bombs away....I loved it.

[burmafrd]

Bert Jones- was a pretty good QB for a couple of years- guess he got injured because he disappeared pretty quickly.

[Alexander]

Oh...Opps...lol

:laugh2:

[Doomsday101]

Bert Jones- was a pretty good QB for a couple of years- guess he got injured because he disappeared pretty quickly.

Yeah injuries took there toll but for a while he was one of the best QB's in the league. His situation was pretty much like Pennington where he rushed back to soon after an injury and it cost him his career.

[Cbz40]

Bert Jones- was a pretty good QB for a couple of years- guess he got injured because he disappeared pretty quickly.


Jones, Bertram H.
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b. Sept. 7, 1951, Ruston, LA
The son of William A. "Dub" Jones, a halfback with the Cleveland Browns from 1948 through 1955, Jones was a starting quarterback at Louisiana State in 1972 and 1973. He was a consensus All-American in 1972 and, although he didn't finish high in the Heisman Trophy voting as a senior, he was named college player of the year by The Sporting News.


The strong-armed, 6-foot-2, 220-pounder was the first-round draft choice of the NFL's Baltimore Colts in 1973. He spent most of his rookie year as a backup, but won the starting job during the 1974 season, when he lost a memorable passing duel to Joe Namath and the New York Jets. The Jets won the game 45-38 but Jones set an NFL record by completing 17 consecutive passes.

He led the Colts to three straight Eastern Division titles in the American Football Conference, from 1975 through 1977. Jones was named the league's most valuable player by the NFL Players' Association in 1976, when he completed 207 of 343 passes for 3,104 yards and 24 touchdowns.

Jones remained with the Colts through 1981 and spent the 1982 season with the Los Angeles Rams before retiring because of a chronic back problem. During his 10 seasons in the NFL, he completed 1,430 of 2,551 passes for 18,190 yards and 124 touchdowns. He also rushed for 11 touchdowns