would you trade our #2 for Culpepper??

[Gryphon]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et

[Eddie]

I'd trade Dexter Coakley and a 4th rounder for Dante Culpepper.

:laugh2:

[hipfake08]

Romo and Lyn Scott for Culpepper straight up.:rolleyes:

[ljs44]

Mike and Mike are reporting that the Vikings are shopping Culpepper around in hopes of getting a #2. Any thoughts?

[Big Country]

He|_ |_ No!!!

[Eddie]

I'd trade Dexter Coakley and a 4th rounder for Culpepper.

Ok, in all seriousness, we went a 3rd rounder for bench warmer Hensen. A 2nd seems very reasonable for Culpepper.

The only issue with Dante is his MASSIVE salary. Not sure we want to invest $100 mil on one player. We'll be back in the same boat as 2001 when Troy, Emmitt, and Michael's salaries were 60% of the team's salary cap ... and we had no money to bring in support other than minimum wage guys off the street.

[austintodallas]

Mike and Mike are reporting that the Vikings are shopping Culpepper around in hopes of getting a #2. Any thoughts? :puke:

[Hostile]

In a heartbeat.

If the Vikings want a 2nd we should offer them next year's.

He's only 29 and can throw that ball.

[Zippy Speedster]

Not something I would dismiss right off the bat.

His fumbling is a concern. As is that injury he just suffered.

Big potential in that QB though. Much more so then anyone we currently have on this team.

Relitivaly young.

Has had some monster seasons already in his short career.

Yes. I think there's some major upside in a move like this. Our #2 is nothing though, someone will go higher. I would not object to a move like this one bit, even if we had to add some to that 2nd round pick to make it happen. BUT the guy has to come in here and EARN his starting job, NO guarantees of him starting right off the bat like he may just demand.

[Hailmary]

Will Randy Moss be included in the deal?

No? Well then, no thanks.

I also think his fumbling would drive BP crazy.

[jksmith269]

NO, NO, NO, and NO

[BAZ]

In a heartbeat.

If the Vikings want a 2nd we should offer them next year's.

He's only 29 and can throw that ball.

He's coming off a horrible season and major knee surgery. Thats a huge risk for someone who hasn't proved he can do it without Moss - my dislike for him aside.

[Yeagermeister]

Will Randy Moss be included in the deal?

No? Well then, no thanks.

I also think his fumbling would drive BP crazy.
I concur

[burmafrd]

IS HE WORTH a QUARTER of our CAP? the answer to that question is all you need to know.

[Hostile]

He's coming off a horrible season and major knee surgery. Thats a huge risk for someone who hasn't proved he can do it without Moss - my dislike for him aside.I'll take the bulk of his career over 1 partial season.

With every trade there is caveat emptor (buyer beware). I say no guts, no glory.

When he's right, this kid is a top 10 QB. I think he'll be right again.

[burmafrd]

Without Moss he was lost. He never showed that much otherwise.

[Hostile]

Will Randy Moss be included in the deal?

No? Well then, no thanks.

I also think his fumbling would drive BP crazy.Bledsoe's fumbling doesn't.

[aikemirv]

IS HE WORTH a QUARTER of our CAP? the answer to that question is all you need to know.

How much was his signing bonus - In a trade we don't eat that , they do - isn't that right?

Other than that what are his yearly salaries because if we trade for him and don't have to worry about the dead money if he does not work out then I don't think it would be that big of a cap problem.

[Cbz40]

Well this is what the Rag has this to say. Take it for what it is considering the source

DAUNTE DEMANDED $10 MILLION RAISE



Kevin Seifert of The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper asked for a $10 million raise during a January 31 meeting with owner Zygi Wilf, coach Brad Childress, V.P. of Football Operations Rob Brzezinski, and other members of the ownership group. Culpepper, who represented himself during the meeting, wanted the extra money to be paid in 2006.



Per the report, Wilf angrily denied the request, and no substantive communications have occurred since.



Culpepper is due to receive a $6 million roster bonus on March 14. If a trade occurs before that date, Culpepper might have to be willing to restructure his contract. The easiest course of action would be to transform the payment to a guaranteed amount, allowing the cap hit to be spread over the next four years, and reducing his 2006 cap number with a new team to $3.5 million, since he's due to earn $2 million in base salary.



But no one should count on Culpepper being reasonable at the bargaining table. He is, frankly, stupid or delusional (or both) if he thinks that anyone will break the bank for a guy whose knee was torn apart in October, and who otherwise has shown to be streaky, at best.

[AbeBeta]

A second. Hmmm. He is worth a 2nd. But not for a team that has already cast our lot with Bledsoe. If you want success you don't change QB's every year. We have an effective one so we need to stick with him.

[Hostile]

A second. Hmmm. He is worth a 2nd. But not for a team that has already cast our lot with Bledsoe. If you want success you don't change QB's every year. We have an effective one so we need to stick with him.Valid point.

[THUMPER]

A 2nd rounder for his talent is a bargain but with his contract demands and coming off an injury I wouldn't do it.

[Hostile]

A 2nd rounder for his talent is a bargain but with his contract demands and coming off an injury I wouldn't do it.If the CBA isn't ratified and we face uncapped years his contract demands wouldn't necessarily matter if you front loaded it for that 1 year.

[Cbz40]

A 2nd rounder for his talent is a bargain but with his contract demands and coming off an injury I wouldn't do it.

Coming off the injury is what scares me.

[1fisher]

:puke:


:puke: x 2

[1fisher]

Coming off the injury is what scares me.

very true.... Having multiple ligaments torn in my right knee I can say for sure that there is a risk...... Didn't he tear the PCL and ACL?

Plus, I can't stand seeing him do that STUPID little dance....:ralph: :ralph:

[Yeagermeister]

very true.... Having multiple ligaments torn in my right knee I can say for sure that there is a risk...... Didn't he tear the PCL and ACL?

Plus, I can't stand seeing him do that STUPID little dance....:ralph: :ralph:
He tore all three if I remember correctly

[AbeBeta]

Will Randy Moss be included in the deal?

No? Well then, no thanks.

Why is it his fault that he had a great WR to throw to? Isn't that the basic personnel idea -- get good guys to put around your QB?

[junk]

Major, major red flags surrounding Culpepper. If this was last year, I'd be jumping up and down to do it (and so would 75% of the league).

However, since then:
1) He played awful last year. Less effective without Moss/Linehan.
2) He is coming off a major knee injury.
3) Major attitude issues. If he thinks he deserves a raise after last season, what happens when he plays good? How about when he plays average?
4) Think he was involved in the Love Boat scandal.

[AbeBeta]

However, since then:
1) He played awful last year. Less effective without Moss/Linehan.


Actually, he had 3 awful games against very good defensive teams -- he was totally miserable in a loss to Cincy where he had 5 picks. He also had 2-3 outstanding games. 7 games last year is just too little to base that conclusion on -- since the Vikes, in general were playing like crap in that time. If Dante had not been hurt he would have had a stretch against some awful teams that would likely have put his #s back around his career averages. Brad Johnson who replaced Dante pretty much made a season out of his two games against Detroit, a game against Cleveland, and a game against a resting Chicago team in week 17.

[InmanRoshi]

I think his knee injury, in a way, almost makes him a better fit for the Cowboys this year. I think he's going to need one entire year just dedicated to rehab, and he could sit behind Bledsoe next year, and be ready to go in 07.

But that's pure fantasy a) because he would never agree to it, b) he makes too much money to sit the bench, even for a year and c) he would be 31 with a major, major injury .. not really any different than Bledsoe.

[CactusCowboy]

no.....

[joseephuss]

Actually, he had 3 awful games against very good defensive teams -- he was totally miserable in a loss to Cincy where he had 5 picks. He also had 2-3 outstanding games. 7 games last year is just too little to base that conclusion on -- since the Vikes, in general were playing like crap in that time. If Dante had not been hurt he would have had a stretch against some awful teams that would likely have put his #s back around his career averages. Brad Johnson who replaced Dante pretty much made a season out of his two games against Detroit, a game against Cleveland, and a game against a resting Chicago team in week 17.

Great points. He had a great season in 2004 and Moss was injured for most of the season. Moss missed a few games and in other was a non-factor. Culpepper has proven he can be a very good QB in the NFL. He is worth a 2nd round pick based on his play. Now if you throw in his recent injury and the love boat stuff, you have to question if he is worth it. I would at least think about it.

[Ashwynn]

No - after reading the 10 million dollar raise demand, I dont think I want any part of Culpepper, Before reading that, I would have entertained the idea. But in all actuallity, I dont think I would have put much hope in getting hm here. If you dont fix the Oline, Culpepper wont make that much of a difference. Though he could scramble around and make maybe 5-10 more plays a year then Bledsoe. But in the long run, you cant live on scrambling QBs for long. If you dont have adequate protection, you wont have a good team peroid, no matter whos the QB.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Do they have party barges at Joe Pool or even the lake in Lewisville?

[Juke99]

Culpepper for a number two?

Without a second thought.

I might be a bit concerned about what his numbers looked like without Moss....but he'd solve some of our O Line problems in a hurry because he does have good mobility and great size.

Yeah, considering some of the second round bombs we've had, I'd do it.

I dont think the Vikes would let him go that cheaply.

[Hostile]

Culpepper for a number two?

Without a second thought.

I might be a bit concerned about what his numbers looked like without Moss....but he'd solve some of our O Line problems in a hurry because he does have good mobility and great size.

Yeah, considering some of the second round bombs we've had, I'd do it.

I dont think the Vikes would let him go that cheaply.That's reportedly what the Vikes are asking.

I heard Baltimore has offered Jamal Lewis. I'd bet that this trade scenario will get some pub if true.

[1fisher]

He tore all three if I remember correctly

ACL+PCL+MCL = BAD news! I'm sure with todays technology he'll do fine.... but I can tell you from experience, the thought of the injury stays in the back of your head....

I still remember the rehab from the early 90's and it wasn't fun!

[Juke99]

That's reportedly what the Vikes are asking.

I heard Baltimore has offered Jamal Lewis. I'd bet that this trade scenario will get some pub if true.


Wowza....that's not much of an asking price...

Ya figure we gave up a third for Henson...one round earlier and we could get Culpepper?

I really don't like some of Culpepper's on field antics...but I would make this trade.

[Chuck 54]

First, he can't be traded unless he's healthy...he'd have to pass any teams physical before a trade could go through.

So...assuming he was healthy, I guess I'm the only one here who would gladly give our first for Culpepper, and I wouldn't think twice about it.

[Juke99]

ACL+PCL+MCL = BAD news! I'm sure with todays technology he'll do fine.... but I can tell you from experience, the thought of the injury stays in the back of your head....

I still remember the rehab from the early 90's and it wasn't fun!


Perhaps but I'm sure your posts are just as good, if not better, than before your injury. :D

[VirusX]

He's coming off a horrible season and major knee surgery. Thats a huge risk for someone who hasn't proved he can do it without Moss - my dislike for him aside.

He did it without moss last season when moss was injured. Any QB needs a suitable WR. Their problem was their line, Culpepper has the same problem as Bledsoe. You get in his face when he is set to throw and he gets happy feet.

[Yakuza Rich]

Minnesota only wanting a 2nd round pick for Culpepper is preposterous. Any team who can get that would be getting a steal almost as big as the original Hershel Walker deal.

The question is whether or not Dallas could afford it. While I think Bledsoe did a good job considering what he had to work with this past season, if they can afford a QB like Culpepper by only giving up a 2nd rounder, they'd be almost stupid not to go for it.

That's unless his knee injury is much worse than the Vikings are leading on.

Rich...........

[cowheel]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et
immediately.

[kartr]

No - after reading the 10 million dollar raise demand, I dont think I want any part of Culpepper, Before reading that, I would have entertained the idea. But in all actuallity, I dont think I would have put much hope in getting hm here. If you dont fix the Oline, Culpepper wont make that much of a difference. Though he could scramble around and make maybe 5-10 more plays a year then Bledsoe. But in the long run, you cant live on scrambling QBs for long. If you dont have adequate protection, you wont have a good team peroid, no matter whos the QB.

I think he was just trying to make them trade him,plus scrambling qbs make the O-line look better and statues like Bledsoe make them look worse. I think we should fix the OL and give the 2nd for Culpepper. Like someone said, he had three bad games this year against good defenses and played 'lights out' in 2004 when Moss was injured. As for the 'love boat' episode, one blip in 7 years is not bad and at 29 he can play for 6-7 more years. It would also insure that we had a adequate replacement for Bledsoe when he's done in a year or two.

[kartr]

Culpepper for a number two?

Without a second thought.

I might be a bit concerned about what his numbers looked like without Moss....but he'd solve some of our O Line problems in a hurry because he does have good mobility and great size.

Yeah, considering some of the second round bombs we've had, I'd do it.

I dont think the Vikes would let him go that cheaply.

You've got a point, Daunte Culpepper for a 2nd vs second round picks for Andre Gurode,Antonio Bryant,Tony Dixon,Jacob Rogers,Al Johnson and Kevin Burnett. Yeah, I'd do it, in a heartbeat.

[Hostile]

You've got a point, Daunte Culpepper for a 2nd vs second round picks for Andre Gurode,Antonio Bryant,Tony Dixon,Jacob Rogers,Al Johnson and Kevin Burnett. Yeah, I'd do it, in a heartbeat.Check out what 2nd round name was conveniently forgotten.

:rolleyes:

[superpunk]

plus scrambling qbs make the O-line look better and statues like Bledsoe make them look worse.

Through 5 games, Culpepper had been sacked 29 times. (I won't count the 6th game, which would make it look worse, since he only threw 6 passes, and was sacked twice.) Do you have ANY idea what that sack rate translates to over a 16 game season? 93 times. That's right, 93. Not saying he would have reached that astronomical number, but he was on his way to something big.

On the flip side, through 12 games Brad Johnson, who is a card carrying statue, was sacked 23 times. Translated over the course of a 16 game season, that comes to about 31 sacks for the year.

93-31-62.

That scrambling QB sure made the Oline look fantastic, didn't he?

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you have ANY idea what that sack rate translates to over a 16 game season? 93 times. That's right, 93.

holy, flipping, white, bat meat, BatmAn, that's insanity!

[DLCassidy]

Check out what 2nd round name was conveniently forgotten.

:rolleyes:


:laugh2: :lmao:

[DLCassidy]

Through 5 games, Culpepper had been sacked 29 times. (I won't count the 6th game, which would make it look worse, since he only threw 6 passes, and was sacked twice.) Do you have ANY idea what that sack rate translates to over a 16 game season? 93 times. That's right, 93. Not saying he would have reached that astronomical number, but he was on his way to something big.

On the flip side, through 12 games Brad Johnson, who is a card carrying statue, was sacked 23 times. Translated over the course of a 16 game season, that comes to about 31 sacks for the year.

93-31-62.

That scrambling QB sure made the Oline look fantastic, didn't he?

Stop confusing the argument with facts.:laugh1:

[superpunk]

holy, flipping, white, bat meat, BatmAn, that's insanity!

Not lost on me, either, is the fact that, through 7 years of his career (and only 5 full seasons) Culpepper has registered 81 fumbles, and 33 fumbles lost. That's over 80 starts, or an average of 1 fumble per game, and 0.4 fumbles lost per game.

Drew Bledsoe, our current starter, and notorious statue/fumble machine, through his 13 year career, registered 120 fumbles, and 48 fumbles lost. He has started 187 games. I'll do the per game math now; That's an average of 0.6 fumbles per game, and 0.26 fumbles lost per game.

So, in Daunte Culpepper, you have a guy who is just as, if not more, sack prone than Bledsoe. He puts the ball on the carpet more than Bledsoe, AND his knee was just blown to kingdom come. Add to that, his ENORMOUS salary, and his desire for more cash....

Sorry, I'm taking a pass on this horrible idea.

[superpunk]

More fun debunking the myth that giving ANYTHING up for Daunte Culpepper would be a terrible idea;

The two biggest knocks against Bledsoe, are his turnovers, and sacks right? Let's take an interesting look at the two players numbers, in those regards;

Turnovers

Drew Bledsoe

For his career, he has 198 INTs, and 48 lost fumbles. That is a total of 242 turnovers, for his career. He has started 187 games. That calculates out to 1.32 turnovers per game.

Daunte Culpepper

For his career, he has 86 INTs, and 33 lost fumbles. That is a total of 119 turnovers, for his career. He has started 80 games. That calculates out to 1.49 turnovers per game.

Culpepper turns the ball over, 0.17 times more, per start, than Bledsoe. Doesn't seem like alot, but over a 16 game season, that gets to be almost 3 more turnovers, per year.

Sacks

Drew Bledsoe

Has been sacked 451 times in his career. Over 187 games, that comes out to 2.4 sacks per game.

Daunte Culpepper

Has been sacked 228 times in his career. Over 80 games, that comes out to 2.85 sacks per game

That comes out to a difference of 0.45 sacks per game. Over a 16 game season, that's an extra 7.2 sacks, that Culpepper would register than Bledsoe.


So, If I calculate right....Bledsoe's salary is 3.5 million, Culpepper's is approximately 10, right? So, in essence, we would be paying an extra 6.5 million dollars, for 3 more turnovers, and 7.2 more sacks, every year.

Now THAT would be something for zoners to ***** about.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST QB's IN THE LEAGUE AND HE'S MUCH BETTER THAN CULPEPPER! PLEASE STOP WITH THESE STUPID THREADS!:mad:

[superpunk]

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST QB's IN THE LEAGUE AND HE'S MUCH BETTER THAN CULPEPPER! PLEASE STOP WITH THESE STUPID THREADS!:mad:

You make me hate myself for propping Bledsoe up.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Bledsoe4MVP]

In a heartbeat.

If the Vikings want a 2nd we should offer them next year's.

He's only 29 and can throw that ball.

Our Qb just turned 34 and guess what.....he can throw the ball better.:mad:

[Rockytop6]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et

NO, NO, and NO.

He would be far too expensive.
We would have to give up a 2nd and we can use that to fill one of the holes.
He is on the down side of his career.
He has been injured a lot lately.

I am tired of signing, trading or whatever for old, injured, players which means that you usually overpay for them.

We need to draft or trade for a talented QB and develop him behind Bledsoe for 1 to 2 years and let him compete with the other QBs on our roster.

Finally, do we know for sure that Romo or Henson isn't the answer? If we do then get rid of them and bring in someone who is.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

You make me hate myself for propping Bledsoe up.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Well I'm getting sick of these asinine suggestions. QB is not a need on this team right now! :mad:

[superpunk]

Well I'm getting sick of these asinine suggestions. QB is not a need on this team right now! :mad:

Go ahead. Be sick of them. Drop the Bledsoe is god/I want Bledsoe to father my children routine. Defend him with facts, and some substance other than the ridiculous assertion that he is the greatest QB in the league.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Go ahead. Be sick of them. Drop the Bledsoe is god/I want Bledsoe to father my children routine. Defend him with facts, and some substance other than the ridiculous assertion that he is the greatest QB in the league.

I didn't say Bledstudsoe is the greatest QB in the league or off all time. But he does have the best arm in the league.:bow:

[superpunk]

Bledstudsoe

THAT !!!!!!!!


is what you need to stop. I like Bledsoe, I really do, but the homoerotic hero worship is tired and played out already. If you want to defend Bledsoe against the bashers, use facts, and a halfway reasonable argument. It'll go alot farther than "Bledstudsoe's deadly assassin arm" arguments.

[joseephuss]

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST QB's IN THE LEAGUE AND HE'S MUCH BETTER THAN CULPEPPER! PLEASE STOP WITH THESE STUPID THREADS!:mad:

Don't read them.

Bledose throws the ball better. I don't know about that. Culpepper completes a higher percentage of passes(64.4% to 57.3%), for more yards per attempt(7.73 to 6.64) and has a higher QB rating(91.5 to 77.3).

In 80 starts Culpepper has passed for 135 TDs and run for 29 more, which is 2.05 TDs per game.

In 187 starts Bledsoe has passed for 244 TDs and run for 8 more, which is 1.35 TDs per game.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Don't read them.

Bledose throws the ball better. I don't know about that. Culpepper completes a higher percentage of passes(64.4% to 57.3%), for more yards per attempt(7.73 to 6.64) and has a higher QB rating(91.5 to 77.3).

In 80 starts Culpepper has passed for 135 TDs and run for 29 more, which is 2.05 TDs per game.

In 187 starts Bledsoe has passed for 244 TDs and run for 8 more, which is 1.35 TDs per game.

So your stats may say something....but how many superbowls has Culpepper been too? How many seasons has he gone without missing multiple games due to injury? How did he do last year without Randy Moss who makes any QB look like Joe Montana? How many times has he singlehandedly willed his team to victory???:mad:

[1fisher]

Perhaps but I'm sure your posts are just as good, if not better, than before your injury. :D

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[Thick 'N Hearty]

So your stats may say something....but how many superbowls has Culpepper been too? How many seasons has he gone without missing multiple games due to injury? How did he do last year without Randy Moss who makes any QB look like Joe Montana? How many times has he singlehandedly willed his team to victory???:mad:

Dude, you have a little Bledsoe milk running down your chin. Clean it up and carry on.

[Eddie]

How did he do last year without Randy Moss who makes any QB look like Joe Montana? How many times has he singlehandedly willed his team to victory???:mad:


W???

Randy Moss got Kerry Collins and Norv Turner kicked out of Oakland.

Think before you preach.

[ravidubey]

I'd trade Dexter Coakley and a 4th rounder for Culpepper.

Ok, in all seriousness, we went a 3rd rounder for bench warmer Hensen. A 2nd seems very reasonable for Culpepper.

The only issue with Dante is his MASSIVE salary. Not sure we want to invest $100 mil on one player. We'll be back in the same boat as 2001 when Troy, Emmitt, and Michael's salaries were 60% of the team's salary cap ... and we had no money to bring in support other than minimum wage guys off the street.

Wouldn't the Vikings have to absorb the unamortized portion of his signing bonus? That would mean we could release him at any time without repurcussions beyond having paid his salary for the games he was on the roster.

[WoodysGirl]

Culpepper says he's focusing on rehab, nothing else

ESPN.com news services


Rumors abound that Daunte Culpepper (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4659) wants out of Minnesota and that the Vikings might be willing to make that happen.

On Thursday, the quarterback responded to the talk in an e-mail to ESPN's Andrea Kremer, saying he's focusing on his rehab and he refuses to waste his energy on the speculation.

"Because I am getting so many requests to comment about reported trade talks, I thought it best to make a clear statement that hopefully won't be misinterpreted. I have found over the years that 'people with knowledge of the situation' are usually the most ignorant, and 'anonymous sources' are usually synonymous with cowards who don't want to go on the record," Culpepper wrote.

"My position has been and continues to be that I am focusing on rehabilitating my knee so that I can come back and play the game I love at the highest level. Until I hear different from [Vikings owner Zygi Wilf] or the new 'triangle of authority' at the Vikings I plan on playing quarterback for Minnesota. Trying to delve into speculation, innuendo, rumor or anything else of this nature would be a waste of energy. I choose at this time to spend my energy on getting healthy."

The Star Tribune reported Thursday that the Vikings are gauging his trade value around the NFL.

A source told The Star Tribune that the Vikings began shopping Culpepper around the league after the quarterback asked that $10 million be added to his contract in 2006.
The newspaper reported that Wilf angrily turned down Culpepper's request and no substantive talks between the two sides has taken place since.

Culpepper, who is recovering from major knee surgery after tearing his anterior cruciate, medial collateral and posterior cruciate ligaments in a game against the Panthers on Oct. 30, parted ways with his longtime agent, Mason Ashe, last month.

Culpepper has been seldom seen around Minnesota since the injury, spending most of his time rehabilitating in his native Florida.

New coach Brad Childress, who was hired to replace the fired Mike Tice, tried to connect with Culpepper when they were both in town in January. But Childress had to settle for a 45-minute phone conversation, which he described as a "good flow on information back and forth" but declined to characterize the tone.

Further complicating Minnesota's offseason, Brad Johnson has also stressed his desire to remain a starter.

Wilf has said he plans to keep both of them. Due $6 million in bonuses in March, Culpepper is expected to be ready to participate in training camp -- but that's not a guarantee given the severity of his injury.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2333020)

[superpunk]

I have found over the years that 'people with knowledge of the situation' are usually the most ignorant, and 'anonymous sources' are usually synonymous with cowards who don't want to go on the record," Culpepper wrote.

That....is......AWESOME!!!!!!

[acheman]

NO. Unless I was Atlanta in serious need of an upgrade at the QB spot.

[Derinyar]

If you can get Culpepper for a 2nd, I think you have to roll the dice. Its a reasonable gamble.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

If you can get Culpepper for a 2nd, I think you have to roll the dice. Its a reasonable gamble.

I repeat.....WE DON'T NEED QB, NOR IS IT A NEED RIGHT NOW.

If we are going to be trading 2nd round draft picks I'd rather have it be part of a deal to sign a guy like Bentley of Hutchison if they get tagged.:mad:

[Alexander]

W???

Randy Moss got Kerry Collins and Norv Turner kicked out of Oakland.

Think before you preach.

The Raiders released Kerry Collins?

When did this happen?

[Derinyar]

I repeat.....WE DON'T NEED QB, NOR IS IT A NEED RIGHT NOW.

If we are going to be trading 2nd round draft picks I'd rather have it be part of a deal to sign a guy like Bentley of Hutchison if they get tagged.:mad:
So you advocate never looking forward in any way? Bledsoe is a decent enough option. Culpepper is younger, and likely would be on the PUP list to start the year. Right now we have one QB who actually has more than a handful of legit NFL snaps, and hes only got one year on his contract and is approaching his mid 30's with a lot of hits on him.

IF you don't have a franchise level QB, then one can legitmately make an argument that its always a need. Culpepper could become a franchise QB for us for the next 5-7 years. If we can get that for a 2nd round pick, then its a good gamble. If your willing to bypass that because of your agenda with one player, then get yourself under control.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

So you advocate never looking forward in any way? Bledsoe is a decent enough option. Culpepper is younger, and likely would be on the PUP list to start the year. Right now we have one QB who actually has more than a handful of legit NFL snaps, and hes only got one year on his contract and is approaching his mid 30's with a lot of hits on him.

IF you don't have a franchise level QB, then one can legitmately make an argument that its always a need. Culpepper could become a franchise QB for us for the next 5-7 years. If we can get that for a 2nd round pick, then its a good gamble. If your willing to bypass that because of your agenda with one player, then get yourself under control.

I have no problem looking forward to the future....when it's time to do so. Culpepper is only a few years younger and has spent half his career on the bench with injuries so far. I'd rather draft or sign a young prospect.

We have a franchise level QB right now and he's good for at least the next two years assuming his durability stays in tact. This move doesn't make sense, plain and simple...especially because Culpepper is a starting QB not a back up.

Besides there's already numerous articles surfacing today around the net that dispel this crazy RUMOR, because that's all it is. Culpepper has every intention on staying a Viking:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/MIN/9241189

[dougonthebench]

no way.

[5Stars]

:lmao:

Methinks someone is afraid of Studpepper coming to Dallas, if that were to happen! I mean, what would she do if somehow CulStud were to beat out the current QB? :lmao2:

[Derinyar]

I have no problem looking forward to the future....when it's time to do so. Culpepper is only a few years younger and has spent half his career on the bench with injuries so far. I'd rather draft or sign a young prospect.

We have a franchise level QB right now and he's good for at least the next two years assuming his durability stays in tact. This move doesn't make sense, plain and simple...especially because Culpepper is a starting QB not a back up.

Besides there's already numerous articles surfacing today around the net that dispel this crazy RUMOR, because that's all it is. Culpepper has every intention on staying a Viking:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/MIN/9241189
I'm sorry, Bledsoe right now is not a franchise QB. He was, or at least was close, earlier in his career. Right now he seems to be really good for about hlaf a season. I'll give him somewhat of a pass on last year, because of the second half line problems.

34 vs 29 is a large age difference in pro sports. One is in prime of the career the other is nearing the end of a career.

Culpepper is a starting calibur QB, but one who quite likely isn't going to be ready till at least the back half of the season, due to that horrible knee injury. So you look at him as either a backup or on the pup list for part of the season.

If you want to compare Culpeppers bad years to Bledsoe's career average, they are rather comperable, at least by yardage/QB rating. I just think that Culpepper likely wouldn't be an upgrade for this year, but how often for a 2nd round pick can you likely pick up someone who would be a big upgrade at QB for the next year

[ghst187]

I'll take the bulk of his career over 1 partial season.

With every trade there is caveat emptor (buyer beware). I say no guts, no glory.

When he's right, this kid is a top 10 QB. I think he'll be right again.

I disagree, Culpepper looked great with Randy Moss and crappy without.
But heck, so did EVERY other backup QB that Minny plugged in to their offense, heck even Jeff George.
Once Randy left, the Vikings were HORRIBLE and Culpepper was HORRIBLE. Then he got hurt and all of a sudden Johnson gets the Vikings back to winning, the very same offense that Culpepper couldn't make work.
Plus, I'm not sure what we'd do with Culpepper, no way he's beating out Bledsoe or Brady Quinn when we draft him next year.
and also I can't stand Culpepper's stupid little dance, its horribly horribly gay.

[Wolf2k5]

I'll take the bulk of his career over 1 partial season.

With every trade there is caveat emptor (buyer beware). I say no guts, no glory.

When he's right, this kid is a top 10 QB. I think he'll be right again.

BS to him being top 10 qb. i can name at least 10 qb's id rather have on my team than him. He doesnt have moss and i dont think he is as great a qb without a wr u can throw in his general direction and he'll catch it. moss made him look above average.

these qbs id rather have than him. no particular order. but just an example he not top 10 material. peyton, brady, palmer, brees, b roth (ignore super bowl tho lol) mcnabb, hasselbeck, Delhomme (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1626), t green, and bledsoe. hell id rather have randel el throwin the ball than him. no disrespect just think he overated for as much money we'd have to spend on him

[Chuck 54]

You guys who want to blast Culpepper for one bad year without Moss and plenty of injuries, etc when he was trying to carry the team should have been piling on Aikman and rejecting his HOF credentials since he won with Emmitt and Irvin and totally sucked during a few years of his prime after Irvin went down...he never did anything worth a crap again.

You have to put players, especially receivers around a QB.

[Hostile]

BS to him being top 10 qb. i can name at least 10 qb's id rather have on my team than him. He doesnt have moss and i dont think he is as great a qb without a wr u can throw in his general direction and he'll catch it. moss made him look above average.

these qbs id rather have than him. no particular order. but just an example he not top 10 material. peyton, brady, palmer, brees, b roth (ignore super bowl tho lol) mcnabb, hasselbeck, Delhomme (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1626), t green, and bledsoe. hell id rather have randel el throwin the ball than him. no disrespect just think he overated for as much money we'd have to spend on himSo the criteria for top 10 is whichever guys YOU like best?

Excuse me while I digest that bit of revelation.

:lmao2:

[Chuck 54]

Bledsoe sucked the entire time he was in Buffalo....I don't care who the QB is....when his line isn't good or he has no WR's, he's going to stink. Minny was playing a rookie, a #2, and Koren Robinson for Pete's sake....had almost no running game and one of the worst OL's....not to mention a comedy on defense.

[BAZ]

You guys who want to blast Culpepper for one bad year without Moss and plenty of injuries, etc when he was trying to carry the team should have been piling on Aikman and rejecting his HOF credentials since he won with Emmitt and Irvin and totally sucked during a few years of his prime after Irvin went down...he never did anything worth a crap again.

You have to put players, especially receivers around a QB.

You can point twords other things like new coaches, cap hell , bad drafting -that is based over a few years.

With Culpepper it was from his best season to his worst with roughly the same players. Moss and Birk being the main losses.

The team won once he went down and he knee is coming off major surgery. Add to that the boat scandle and I can't see how he would be a good pick up. If anything needs to come back this season show he deserves to be the starter and prove last season was an off year.

[STSINAZ]

take it

[lane]

i'll trade a #2 pencil for him...

[Wolf2k5]

So the criteria for top 10 is whichever guys YOU like best?

Excuse me while I digest that bit of revelation.

:lmao2:

are you kidding me?! You r saying that you would not rather have any 1 of those qbs in our offense rather than culpepper??? Every1 of those guys would fit in our system better than him. all im saying was that he is not a top 10 qb IMO. And I like culpepper alot im jus sayin he aint a top to qb when you look at how our offense works. :bang2:

[Q_the_man]

First, he can't be traded unless he's healthy...he'd have to pass any teams physical before a trade could go through.

So...assuming he was healthy, I guess I'm the only one here who would gladly give our first for Culpepper, and I wouldn't think twice about it.
Amen!!! That would be almost as sweet as the Hershel trade...

Then again they could add Sharper and Udeze in the deal:laugh1:

[Hostile]

are you kidding me?! You r saying that you would not rather have any 1 of those qbs in our offense rather than culpepper??? Every1 of those guys would fit in our system better than him. all im saying was that he is not a top 10 qb IMO. And I like culpepper alot im jus sayin he aint a top to qb when you look at how our offense works. :bang2:The key to that is the "IMO." That's right, in YOUR opinion. In MY opinion he's a top 10 QB. Get it? Mine.

You rattle off 10 names and my role is to look at them and agree with you? No, I do not agree on at least 3 of the names you offered and am leaning towards 5 I don't agree with.

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

Yes with no reservations. He is realtively young and a tough guy. LOL, after that I would put our entire draft into the best O-line Jerry's money can buy and look for a better WR or two in FA. Dante can be that good for us. The Vikings are idiots if they let us have him for a measly second rounder.

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

Amen!!! That would be almost as sweet as the Hershel trade...

Then again they could add Sharper and Udeze in the deal:laugh1:

Actualy I would go a first for him and get our own WRs else where.

[proline]

No. Bledsoe is good enough to take this team all the way, and he is durable. Culpepper would just be an expensive #2 QB because BP wouldn't go away from Bledsoe unless he was injured. I'd rather spend money/keep draft pics for improving the OL.

[Hostile]

I keep seeing Randy Moss brought up as a reason Culpepper struggled.

If I am not mistaken, the Vikings were devestated at WR early in the season and were pulling guys in from off the street.

Nate Burleson was hurt.
Marcus Robinson was hurt.
Koren Robinson was unfamiliar with their offense.
Troy Williamson, their #1 pick, was struggling

They were throwing to Travis Taylor as their top target.

None of that had an effect huh? It was all the lack of Moss? Sorry, I don't buy that.

[DLCassidy]

I keep seeing Randy Moss brought up as a reason Culpepper struggled.

If I am not mistaken, the Vikings were devestated at WR early in the season and were pulling guys in from off the street.

Nate Burleson was hurt.
Marcus Robinson was hurt.
Koren Robinson was unfamiliar with their offense.
Troy Williamson, their #1 pick, was struggling

They were throwing to Travis Taylor as their top target.

None of that had an effect huh? It was all the lack of Moss? Sorry, I don't buy that.

Burleson played in the first 2 games. Marcus Robinson missed only the last game of the season. In the 1st two games alone Culpepper had 10 turnovers. Keep fishing. Culpepper throws a nice deep ball and Moss is the best deep receiver in the game. Take that away and what have you got? A fumbling/interception machine.

[superpunk]

I have noticed, that my brilliant analysis (ouch, my shoulder!) of Culpepper and Bledsoe's respective shortcomings has gone basically by the wayside. I still don't understand, how Bledsoe can be painted as such a villain, mainly because of his turnovers, and taking drive-killing sacks, yet people would willingly give up a second round pick for a player who is worse in BOTH areas.

[DLCassidy]

On a more practical note, has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Culpepper may not even be healthy enogh to play this year? And if he does play at say 80% would he even be mobile? Take away the mobility does anyone seriously think he's a better pure passer than Drew Bledsoe? I don't. And who would you cut to take on his 10m salary? Make your lists there before you vote yes to trade for him. And remember when he was putting up huge numbers in Minny he always had the security of throwing it up for grabs to Randy Moss when he was in trouble or running and most of the time Moss would come down with it. If he doesn't oops it's an early punt.

[superpunk]

On a more practical note, has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Culpepper may not even be healthy enogh to play this year? And if he does play at say 80% would he even be mobile? Take away the mobility does anyone seriously think he's a better pure passer than Drew Bledsoe? I don't. And who would you cut to take on his 10m salary? Make your lists there before you vote yes to trade for him. And remember when he was putting up huge numbers in Minny he always had the security of throwing it up for grabs to Randy Moss when he was in trouble or running and most of the time Moss would come down with it. If he doesn't oops it's an early punt.

Again, a trade for Daunte Culpepper, would be a trade for a mobile QB, with a destroyed knee, an enormous salary, who is a bigger liability than Drew Bledsoe in terms of sacks and TOs. The math doesn't work.

[DLCassidy]

I have to say the money thing is bothersome. Asking for more money when you're rehabbing a serious injury and after playing a stretch of flat out terrible football when you're already extremely well paid is the definition of the yiddish word "hutzpah".

[ghst187]

The team won once he went down and he knee is coming off major surgery. Add to that the boat scandle and I can't see how he would be a good pick up. If anything needs to come back this season show he deserves to be the starter and prove last season was an off year.

does this make ANYONE else but me and BAZ very suspicious? This is a glaring roadsign telling you the bridge is out ahead. Culpepper had 10, TEN, X, turnovers in 2 games! They had hardly won any games and were on track for a top 4 draft pick until Culpepper gets hurt! THEN, BJ comes in and nearly gets them into the PLAYOFFS! Mostly, he just didn't turn the ball over.
These facts should at least make people suspicious of Culpepper. Add that to the fact that 2 or 3 different QBs came in for an injured Culpepper over the last few years and done equally well throwing to Moss and putting up similiar numbers and points and wins. Even Jeff George! I'm somewhat suspicious that even Ryan Leaf might've had success in that chuck it deep to Moss offense.
I'm not convinced that Culpepper is even the best QB on Minny's roster. Right now, there's a reason Minny is shopping him instead of BJ. Add to that a MAJOR knee injury to a scrambling QB AND an grossly inflated, salary cap crippling salary....and I'm not sure why even Culpepper's dad would bring him in if he were coaching a team.
And like someone else was saying, even I could take away all the evidence listed above, I'm not sure I would rank Culpepper in a top 10 NFL QBs. Even in Minny's record setting year and offensive explosion, I still see 41-0 playoff loss. Zero playoff skins. Even McNabb (McChoke) and Manning (Wo-manning) have a few playoff wins under their belts.
Culpepper just doesn't make sense to me, esp in Dallas. I can't believe this is even a debate. Even if I were New Orleans, I don't think I'd be wanting to bring Culpepper in, a broken, overpaid QB that hasn't had success without Moss.

[RW Hitman]

yep, I would easily give a 2nd for him.... no reservation at all...

now if the cap cost could be worked out, i would say go for it !

[superpunk]

I just offered the Vikings a second round pick on Madden 06 for Culpepper. They laughed in my face. I explained, with his injury, and abysmal habit of taking sacks and turning the ball over, that they were getting a bargain. They still laughed.

He's like a 98. You don't get "98's" with a second round pick.:rolleyes:

[JIGGYFLY]

Burleson played in the first 2 games. Marcus Robinson missed only the last game of the season. In the 1st two games alone Culpepper had 10 turnovers. Keep fishing. Culpepper throws a nice deep ball and Moss is the best deep receiver in the game. Take that away and what have you got? A fumbling/interception machine.
Do you remember 04 the year that Culpeper was second behind Manning in MVP voting. You know the same year that Moss was hurt most of the year and missed several games could you explain his being able to accomplish this with Moss hurt most of the year?:rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Do you remember 04 the year that Culpeper was second behind Manning in MVP voting. You know the same year that Moss was hurt most of the year and missed several games could you explain his being able to accomplish this with Moss hurt most of the year?:rolleyes:Beat me to it.

39 TD passes I think and 7 more rushing. 9 INTs and 7 fumbles if I remember right.

I'd take that split.

[peppersquad]

Anyone who doesnt give up a 2nd for Culpepper I just dont get.


You dont trade Culpepper for the next Guerode, Rogers, Flo, Johnson, Peterman type.


God do we suck at drafting lineman in the 2nd rd.

[acheman]

Or maybe we just don't have anyone on the coaching staff worth a crap developing them when we do draft them.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Bledsoe sucked the entire time he was in Buffalo....I don't care who the QB is....when his line isn't good or he has no WR's, he's going to stink. Minny was playing a rookie, a #2, and Koren Robinson for Pete's sake....had almost no running game and one of the worst OL's....not to mention a comedy on defense.

That's why he had shattered multiple franchise records there in 2002 then isn't it? And he did this with marginal talent around him, off course most of it was traded away the following season.

Your right about not having a good line and receivers, but then again I don't know too many QB's that can play well under those circumstances.

Culpepper is a joke! Stop talking about him.:mad:

[WoodysGirl]

That's why he had shattered multiple franchise records there in 2002 then isn't it? And he did this with marginal talent around him, off course most of it was traded away the following season.

Your right about not having a good line and receivers, but then again I don't know too many QB's that can play well under those circumstances.

Culpepper is a joke! Stop talking about him.:mad:Aint!!!

Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper


:tongue: :laugh2:

[5Stars]

Aint!!!

Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper


:tongue: :laugh2:


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

LOL.......

Woody's girl gets one Gold Star today...! LOL

[Novacek84]

The injury is a risk but I'd take it for this guy. He will be driven to shut up his critics and I'd take a gamble on giving up a 2nd rounder for his potential payoff. The boat cruise, to me, is not an issue. Parcells will do his homework in the Dante personal life department, no worries there. We aren't drafting a QB this year so I'd say we need to get busy on a post-Bledsoe solution. Romo and Henson have never gotten a chance so I am not putting much hope in either of them even though I was screaming for Henson to play at the end of 2004 in those meaningless games.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Aint!!!

Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper


:tongue: :laugh2:


:explode: :insane:

[Hostile]

Aint!!!

Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper, Culpepper


:tongue: :laugh2:Post of the day.

[Nors]

Yes - lets trade a 2nd for Culpepper who wants what a $70M contract. Thats happening.:rolleyes:

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Yes - lets trade a 2nd for Culpepper who wants what a $70M contract. Thats happening.:rolleyes:

You got to love the ideas on floating around on this board....let's sign Culpepper! No wait Drew Brees! Chad Pennigton!...why not just invite every QB on the injury list around the NFL to come try out here.:laugh1:

[sacase]

If he restructures his deal hell yeah!

[sacase]

Major, major red flags surrounding Culpepper. If this was last year, I'd be jumping up and down to do it (and so would 75% of the league).

However, since then:
1) He played awful last year. Less effective without Moss/Linehan.
2) He is coming off a major knee injury.
3) Major attitude issues. If he thinks he deserves a raise after last season, what happens when he plays good? How about when he plays average?
4) Think he was involved in the Love Boat scandal.

If I was there I would have been involved in the love boat scandle too. Dang you can't even have a good bachlor party without the bachlor anymore :rolleyes:

[mschmidt64]

This thread is pretty damn funny.

[JIGGYFLY]

If I was there I would have been involved in the love boat scandle too. Dang you can't even have a good bachlor party without the bachlor anymore :rolleyes:
:signmast:

[JIGGYFLY]

Beat me to it.

39 TD passes I think and 7 more rushing. 9 INTs and 7 fumbles if I remember right.

I'd take that split.
I was to lazy to look at the exact stats but I knew he had some amazing numbers. I think his problems last year had more to do with learning a new offense and pressing to much, but to say all he did was throw deep to Moss is a total falsehhood and you wonder why some people pull out the race card :rolleyes:

[superpunk]

And STILL, everyone is ignoring the fact that Culpepper is MORE of a turnover/sack liability than Bledsoe, has destroyed his knee, has a huge contract, and wants MORE money. And still, you'd give up a second rounder, in a second???????:confused:

[Paniolo22]

I'd trade my number 2 for Culpepper. Unfortunately it's probably not as valuable as the Cowboys #2, and it was flushed down the toilet after I tinkled out my number one. :D

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yes as long as he stops rolling his forearms after every good play.

[DIAF]

If it werent for the massive salary, i'd give you bledsoe, our 2nd round pick, Bledsoe4MVP's mom or anything else for culpepper. I think he's an absolute beast, and he's got several more years until he even starts to sniff the end-of-career decline. I mean, he's what? 28?

Simply put, no matter how much the bledsoe-lover wants to admit, Drew of the 00's is simply not that great. Culpepper is, though.

[neosapien23]

If it werent for the massive salary, i'd give you bledsoe, our 2nd round pick, Bledsoe4MVP's mom or anything else for culpepper. I think he's an absolute beast, and he's got several more years until he even starts to sniff the end-of-career decline. I mean, he's what? 28?

Simply put, no matter how much the bledsoe-lover wants to admit, Drew of the 00's is simply not that great. Culpepper is, though.

I would have to respectfully have to disagree with you. Culpepper was having an atrocious year without Moss. If he is the beast you speak of , than Minnesota would be asking for much more than a 2nd round pick.

[REDVOLUTION]

There is a better chance that TO comes to Dallas rather than Daunte "I aint nobody without Moss" Culpepper

[Bob Sacamano]

Finally, do we know for sure that Romo or Henson isn't the answer?

why do people keep asking this question?

[Hostile]

why do people keep asking this question?Because nothing has been settled yet.

[DIAF]

I would have to respectfully have to disagree with you. Culpepper was having an atrocious year without Moss. If he is the beast you speak of , than Minnesota would be asking for much more than a 2nd round pick.

I love how everyone says "He sucks without Moss"

No one player, no matter how great he is, makes that much difference in a QBs performance. NONE. To go from 30+ TD passes and a qb rating in the high 90s range to worse-than-ryan-leaf-ness because of the presence of one player? Give me a break.

Remember Randy Moss' last year in Minny? When he was only on the field half the damn time? Dante had a pretty good year that year.

If Minny is looking for only a 2nd, its not because of a lack of ability or skill on dante's part. Its because they need something to entice teams to take that contract off their hands.