Norm Hitzges today, Ray Lewis for a third?

[Gryphon]

Taken from another forum: posted by Theebs

So norm was talking this morning about how he thinks a third would be enough to get ray lewis since he wants out. Then he took some calls and asked if anyone would want him here.

Most callers were like me and said no, I dont want to watch him dancing constantly and have to listen to us become the team with a murderer on the roster...because that is everyones perception.

Anyway, I would rather we keep our picks and find young players who have a long term future here. Norm made some good points though saying we have use our last two third rounders on peterman and drew henson so if we are going to pick someone of that caliber we might as well get the 2 or 3 good years out of ray lewis. Norm seems to think he would be ok in the 3-4 because of our read and react style.

I thought lewis didnt like the 34?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

In all fairness, he just covered up a murder, he didn't actually do it.

[jterrell]

Taken from another forum: posted by Theebs

So norm was talking this morning about how he thinks a third would be enough to get ray lewis since he wants out. Then he took some calls and asked if anyone would want him here.

Most callers were like me and said no, I dont want to watch him dancing constantly and have to listen to us become the team with a murderer on the roster...because that is everyones perception.

Anyway, I would rather we keep our picks and find young players who have a long term future here. Norm made some good points though saying we have use our last two third rounders on peterman and drew henson so if we are going to pick someone of that caliber we might as well get the 2 or 3 good years out of ray lewis. Norm seems to think he would be ok in the 3-4 because of our read and react style.

I thought lewis didnt like the 34?
He's been begging to get traded to SD so apparently he is ok with the 3-4.
I'd take him for a 3rd in a heartbeat if he didn't also want a huge contract.

Lewis would give us a huge upgrade; especially in coverage as in ILB.

[Rack Bauer]

Taken from another forum: posted by Theebs

So norm was talking this morning about how he thinks a third would be enough to get ray lewis since he wants out. Then he took some calls and asked if anyone would want him here.

Most callers were like me and said no, I dont want to watch him dancing constantly and have to listen to us become the team with a murderer on the roster...because that is everyones perception.

Anyway, I would rather we keep our picks and find young players who have a long term future here. Norm made some good points though saying we have use our last two third rounders on peterman and drew henson so if we are going to pick someone of that caliber we might as well get the 2 or 3 good years out of ray lewis. Norm seems to think he would be ok in the 3-4 because of our read and react style.

I thought lewis didnt like the 34?


That dancing (aka Passion) is exactly what our defense is lacking.

[JTnNC]

Without a doubt I would take Ray Lewis for a third. As soon as the ink was dry on that deal I would try and move out of round 1 in exchange for a second and third rd pick. With the two picks in rd 2 olb and fs then our d is set. LT and Center in FA and maybe a WR and Kicker. Ofcourse the only world that would work in is Madden. Just a little dreaming

[1fisher]

That dancing (aka Passion) is exactly what our defense is lacking.

It looks so ignorant it's disgusting!:puke:

I don't like the way he refers to HIS team and HIS defense when interviewed. Let someone else have him......:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[1fisher]

Without a doubt I would take Ray Lewis for a third. As soon as the ink was dry on that deal I would try and move out of round 1 in exchange for a second and third rd pick. With the two picks in rd 2 olb and fs then our d is set. LT and Center in FA and maybe a WR and Kicker. Ofcourse the only world that would work in is Madden. Just a little dreaming

yep.... lets start a rookie FS.... BP would jump on that in a heartbeat!:huh:

[Rack Bauer]

It looks so ignorant it's disgusting!:puke:

I don't like the way he refers to HIS team and HIS defense when interviewed. Let someone else have him......:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:


You know what's disgusting to me? Watching the defense have a big play, then just walk off the field as if nothing happened. That 'dancing' is like throwing gas on a fire. And that's what our defense needs. Be it from Ray Lewis or someone else.

[ddh33]

He's still one of the best LBs in the business, and he has experience in the 34. He would also bring the passion and leadership this team needs. I do think it's possible to move back and get a third somewhere along the way too.

[Hostile]

I'm with Rack and jterrell on this. The liklihood we could Draft a player who would impact this team in the 3rd more than him is slim and none.

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Im with Rack we need someone on this defense with swagger. I feel like the only guys who have that swagger motor are Bradie James and Keith Davis.

[1fisher]

You know what's disgusting to me? Watching the defense have a big play, then just walk off the field as if nothing happened. That 'dancing' is like throwing gas on a fire. And that's what our defense needs. Be it from Ray Lewis or someone else.

I'll take the someone else please..... I think the injury bug has gotten a hold of Lewis.

[JTnNC]

yep.... lets start a rookie FS.... BP would jump on that in a heartbeat!:huh:
Why not start a rookie free safety? We have plenty of experience at all other areas in the secondary. We cant carry 10 year vets at every position and have the cap room to afford them. A little young talent and youthfull attitude would be a welcome addition. Besides how many more coverages could a rookie second rounder blow then Keith Davis and Willie Pile?

[Doomsday101]

I'll take the someone else please..... I think the injury bug has gotten a hold of Lewis.

That would be my biggest concern with Lewis. He will be entering his 11th season and coming off a torn hamstring in which he required surgery to repair the damage. If Dallas is interested I'm sure they will do a complete physical on him or at least I would hope so.

[Gryphon]

I think we are on the brink of having a historic defense if we can bring in the right players.

[Alexander]

Taken from another forum: posted by Theebs

So norm was talking this morning about how he thinks a third would be enough to get ray lewis since he wants out. Then he took some calls and asked if anyone would want him here.

Most callers were like me and said no, I dont want to watch him dancing constantly and have to listen to us become the team with a murderer on the roster...because that is everyones perception.

Anyway, I would rather we keep our picks and find young players who have a long term future here. Norm made some good points though saying we have use our last two third rounders on peterman and drew henson so if we are going to pick someone of that caliber we might as well get the 2 or 3 good years out of ray lewis. Norm seems to think he would be ok in the 3-4 because of our read and react style.

I thought lewis didnt like the 34?

Speaking of murder, I would be flying to Dallas with that on my mind if we traded a third round selection for him.

[JTnNC]

With a 3rd Rounder its a chance on a player that will sit on the bench and learn for a year or two, there are always exceptions but a typical 3rd is a guy with good upside who can develop over time. With Lewis we would be getting a day one starter and taking care of a position of need for the price of a 3rd round pick. It would give options of moving in the draft and knocing out a area of need to be able to concentrate on other areas in FA. To me it would make good sense to do it.

[neosapien23]

I wouldn't want to trade a third for Ray Lewis. What about trading Glover for Lewis straight up? The Ravens need a passrushing DT and we need a playmaking ILB. This trade would work for both teams and we would trade an aging older player that doesn't fit our scheme for an aging older player that does fit our scheme.

[Hostile]

I wouldn't want to trade a third for Ray Lewis. What about trading Glover for Lewis straight up? The Ravens need a passrushing DT and we need a playmaking ILB. This trade would work for both teams and we would trade an aging older player that doesn't fit our scheme for an aging older player that does fit our scheme.I admit it, I like that a whole lot better than the Draft pick.

[Rack Bauer]

With a 3rd Rounder its a chance on a player that will sit on the bench and learn for a year or two, there are always exceptions but a typical 3rd is a guy with good upside who can develop over time. With Lewis we would be getting a day one starter and taking care of a position of need for the price of a 3rd round pick. It would give options of moving in the draft and knocing out a area of need to be able to concentrate on other areas in FA. To me it would make good sense to do it.


What can the players learn from Ray Lewis though?



I think a third is worth the player, and his knowledge.

[kingwhicker]

I'd take the money and run- Ray Lew for a third would be a steal.

[dbair1967]

if the people on this forum ran the team the average age of the roster would jump ten years...

some of you guys are just eat up with "big name-itis" and think because someone WAS good at one time or was drafted high elsewhere that they'd automatically improve THIS team...

lets take Ray Lewis for instance...he will be 31 yrs old this season and in 2 of the last 4yrs he has failed to play in mroe than 6 games...his past two seasons have been AVERAGE at best...not good, certainly not anywhere near great, AVERAGE...in several games on national TV the past couple of yrs the guy has been royally abused

Ray Lewis is a has been

David

[JTnNC]

[QUOTE=Rack]What can the players learn from Ray Lewis though?



Fire, Intensity, Drive, Desire

Im with the others who want some attitude on this team.

Im sorry that I cant remember the dates off the top of my head but when Parcells went after Bryan Cox on his Jets teams he got a player lots of folks (including me) called dirty. Look what a steal he got with Cox. Could be another addition along the same lines.

Ray Lewis has been a great lb in the NFL for a long time and just having him here to hopefully help get some of the attitude to go with the talent in D Ware could give us a monster tandem.

I agree with the chance on his health but thats what the team Dr.s are for. The whole thing would hinge on him passing a team physical.

[Idgit]

What can the players learn from Ray Lewis though?

I think a third is worth the player, and his knowledge.

This was the thinking behind the Rivera signing. Most people aren't happy with how that worked out, and we didn't give up a 3 to do it.

[Alexander]

What can the players learn from Ray Lewis though?



I think a third is worth the player, and his knowledge.

You could also just hire a coach and a cheerleader and keep the third round pick because before the end of the year, Lewis would be on crutches anyways.

[junk]

I'd take him for a 3rd in a heartbeat if he didn't also want a huge contract.



Well, that'd be the hang up then. He wants big money.

I'd vote for just trying to sign the guy the Ravens want to replace him with....Bart Scott.

[Apollo Creed]

Is Lewis injury proned? Or is this just a recent string of injuries?

[Alexander]

Is Lewis injury proned? Or is this just a recent string of injuries?

It's called age and his style of play.

He plays so hard he hurts himself.

[Hostile]

if the people on this forum ran the team the average age of the roster would jump ten years...

some of you guys are just eat up with "big name-itis" and think because someone WAS good at one time or was drafted high elsewhere that they'd automatically improve THIS team...

lets take Ray Lewis for instance...he will be 31 yrs old this season and in 2 of the last 4yrs he has failed to play in mroe than 6 games...his past two seasons have been AVERAGE at best...not good, certainly not anywhere near great, AVERAGE...in several games on national TV the past couple of yrs the guy has been royally abused

Ray Lewis is a has been

DavidIf you had to choose a 3rd for Ray Ray, or a 2nd in the Supplemental Draft for Ahmad Brooks, which would you do?

:grin:

Sorry to make your stomach churn D, but now and then I like yanking your chain. Maalox...

[Apollo Creed]

I just looked up his stats, and he's played in at least 14 games 8 out of his 10 years in the league. Each of those years he's recorded WELL over 100 tackles.

[Clove]

If you had to choose a 3rd for Ray Ray, or a 2nd in the Supplemental Draft for Ahmad Brooks, which would you do?

:grin:

Sorry to make your stomach churn D, but now and then I like yanking your chain. Maalox...I would take Ahmad Brooks. He has serious monster potential. He wouldn't cost much, (I don't think), I'm concerned about his drug situation, but if he's not going to cost you much (that's the key phrase,"cost much") then I would go Brooks in a heart beat.

Yeah he was overweight last year and had ticky tack injuries that hurt his production, but when he's on, he's on. You put Big Bill on his hyde, he will whip this kid into shape. And once again, it's not like you're paying too much for the guy.

[Hostile]

I would take Ahmad Brooks. He has serious monster potential. He wouldn't cost much, (I don't think), I'm concerned about his drug situation, but if he's not going to cost you much (that's the key phrase,"cost much") then I would go Brooks in a heart beat.

Yeah he was overweight last year and had ticky tack injuries that hurt his production, but when he's on, he's on. You put Big Bill on his hyde, he will whip this kid into shape. And once again, it's not like you're paying too much for the guy.So would I.

[DLCassidy]

Could we keep our third and just send Ray Ray a check for a grand to make a tape of "the best of Ray Lewis" motivational speeches?

[Dallas]

I'm with Rack and jterrell on this. The liklihood we could Draft a player who would impact this team in the 3rd more than him is slim and none.

So your saying you would take him for a 3rd. What would you do w/ him once you got him here? Do you think he is looking for the bling or the ring at this point in his career Hos?

[Rack Bauer]

This was the thinking behind the Rivera signing. Most people aren't happy with how that worked out, and we didn't give up a 3 to do it.


Don't you think that "little" back injury Rivera had impacted his play this season? Just a little bit?



Could we keep our third and just send Ray Ray a check for a grand to make a tape of "the best of Ray Lewis" motivational speeches?


:rolleyes:


Well, this thread just got ruined.

[Hostile]

So your saying you would take him for a 3rd. What would you do w/ him once you got him here? Do you think he is looking for the bling or the ring at this point in his career Hos?Move Burnett to SOLB and Lewis inside. His intensity could push the defense to another level. Regarding his injury status I'll just say, no guts, no glory.

I do think he wants to play for a contender. That's why he's thinking San Diego as a possibility.

[Alexander]

Move Burnett to SOLB and Lewis inside. His intensity could push the defense to another level. Regarding his injury status I'll just say, no guts, no glory.

I do think he wants to play for a contender. That's why he's thinking San Diego as a possibility.

I didn't see Rivera's veteran influence working wonders for the offensive line.

Players play first and foremost.

If you start trading choices away for high-priced lockerroom influences on the downside of their careers, then you are simply asking for it.

[Hostile]

I didn't see Rivera's veteran influence working wonders for the offensive line.

Players play first and foremost.

If you start trading choices away for high-priced lockerroom influences on the downside of their careers, then you are simply asking for it.Rivera is the litmus test for the whole NFL?

I felt when we brought in Deion it vaulted us forward.

Same with Haley.

Same with Glover.

Same with Henry until he got hurt.

It's true he could implode. I don't see why it should be automatic though. At times taking chances does pay off.

[junk]

I would take Ahmad Brooks. He has serious monster potential. He wouldn't cost much, (I don't think), I'm concerned about his drug situation, but if he's not going to cost you much (that's the key phrase,"cost much") then I would go Brooks in a heart beat.

Yeah he was overweight last year and had ticky tack injuries that hurt his production, but when he's on, he's on. You put Big Bill on his hyde, he will whip this kid into shape. And once again, it's not like you're paying too much for the guy.

Do you think if BP's guy couldn't keep him in line that Bill is suddenly going to think he can?

My guess is that if Groh says this guy is a problem, BP doesn't give him the time of day.

[Clove]

Do you think if BP's guy couldn't keep him in line that Bill is suddenly going to think he can?

My guess is that if Groh says this guy is a problem, BP doesn't give him the time of day.When you have talent, you take the chance (L.Taylor and tons more) This guy has serious talent, and BP loves big fast powerful mean Linebackers. Cost is the word here, how much will it cost?

We waste money on character guys all the time, and get nothing in return (on tons of them) I would waste a draft pick on a stud like Ray Lewis or Ahmad Brooks anytime any day. I just wouldn't give up the world to get them, but I would give up something.....

[Apollo Creed]

So we'd much rather have an unproven rookie who has marijuana issues instead of a proven veteran leader with super bowl experience? Lewis has only had two seasons with injury issues, and the other 8 he recorded well over 100 tackles. He could make an impact now, which is what this team needs... The Rivera talk needs to stop, that was a freak injury and a guard is a totally different position than LB. If he wants to play for a reasonable price, we'd be foolish not to pursue him.

[big dog cowboy]

10 recent 3rd round draft picks.......

1996 - Clay Shiver Stepfret Williams Mike Ulufale
1997 - Dexter Coakley Steve Scifres Kenny Wheaton
1998 - none
1999 - Dat Nguyen
2000 - none
2001 - Willie Blade
2002 - Derek Ross
2003 - Jason Witten
2004 - Stephen Peterman
2005 - none

So what does it all mean? Looks like only 3 of 11 picks really made much a positive impact to me. I might be tempted to do it.

[BigDFan5]

What can the players learn from Ray Lewis though?



I think a third is worth the player, and his knowledge.


your sig is really disturbing

[BigDFan5]

If you had to choose a 3rd for Ray Ray, or a 2nd in the Supplemental Draft for Ahmad Brooks, which would you do?

:grin:

Sorry to make your stomach churn D, but now and then I like yanking your chain. Maalox...



Brooks every day of the week

[Jersey]

For a 3rd, you do it. He'd have to complete a physical and be willing to restructure his contract. This draft is deep at the LB spot. But only the 1st & 2nd rounders could be counted on to play immediately. Ray would give us the swagger we need and have lacked this past decade. We could then draft a LB or 2 later in the draft for ST depth and groom for future. Our SB window is now, not in 2-3 years. If he plays at 2/3rd's of the Ray we know for 2-3 years, he'd be a steal.

[Billy Bullocks]

I'm with Rack and jterrell on this. The liklihood we could Draft a player who would impact this team in the 3rd more than him is slim and none.

I agree. Ray Lewis at 80% of his former self is better than anyone we are drafting in the 3rd round. The guy is arugably the best LB of his era.

[nyyanksfan20]

Roy and Ray on the same D would be scary if your crossing the middle...

[fiveandcounting]

[QUOTE=1fisher]It looks so ignorant it's disgusting!:puke:


every time I see Ray Lewis doing that dance I think of the episode of Seinfeld where Elaine tried to dance and did this spastic contortion of a dance which everyone made fun of and she was oblivious to. While not quite identical if you look at both they arent too far off.

[chinch]

i hate this guy, but i'd gladly take him for a 3rd and keep him as long as Tuna is our coach. bring in TO too and you'll be whiffin a Lombardi reall quick.

[BeWare94]

Taken from another forum: posted by Theebs

So norm was talking this morning about how he thinks a third would be enough to get ray lewis since he wants out. Then he took some calls and asked if anyone would want him here.

Most callers were like me and said no, I dont want to watch him dancing constantly and have to listen to us become the team with a murderer on the roster...because that is everyones perception.

Anyway, I would rather we keep our picks and find young players who have a long term future here. Norm made some good points though saying we have use our last two third rounders on peterman and drew henson so if we are going to pick someone of that caliber we might as well get the 2 or 3 good years out of ray lewis. Norm seems to think he would be ok in the 3-4 because of our read and react style.

I thought lewis didnt like the 34?

If Ray Lewis could truly be had for a third I'd give up that pick in a heartbeat however I think it will cost more than simply a third. Ray Lewis is the complete package and probably the best linebacker I have ever seen play. He can play all four LB positions in the 3-4 and all three positions in the 4-3 because he has the physical attributes and is a student of the game. What he would give our defense on the sideline/in the lockerroom is as valuable as what he'd give us on the field. When you think that all we got for our last two third rounders is a washout quarterback and a neverhasbeen, probablyneverwillbe linebacker then what do we really stand to lose by renting Ray Lewis for a few years...we're renting Bledsoe and for the first time since Troy Aikman retired we are in the offseason and not proclaiming that quarterback is our biggest need.

Ray Lewis=difference maker

[BeWare94]

It looks so ignorant it's disgusting!:puke:

I don't like the way he refers to HIS team and HIS defense when interviewed. Let someone else have him......:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

Who else's defense would it be then, smartguy? He is the main reason that Baltimore's defense is what it has been the last half decade. Ray has the right to take some ownership!

[Eskimo]

Ray Lewis has been getting by on reputation the past couple of years. He has also missed more than 10 games twice in the last four seasons and will turn 31 before the season starts.

If he is released and can be had for a reasonable short-term contract, he would be worth considering but I'm skeptical about whether he can stay healthy in a 3-4 alignment. I thought that was one of the reasons Baltimore reverted to a 4-3 in the first place.

[lspain1]

Based upon the short term approach of the Parcells era, you have to take a serious look at this deal if it's real. This kind of immediate impact player at the LB position is a must have for a run at the SB. This draft class is supposedly deep at the LB position but any selection (including #18) will need time to "arrive". Everyone admits that D. Ware is going to be better next year than he was this year.

You might still pick a LB at #18 even if you get Lewis, but I think you have go for this deal.

[Apollo Creed]

Ray Lewis has been getting by on reputation the past couple of years. He has also missed more than 10 games twice in the last four seasons and will turn 31 before the season starts.

If he is released and can be had for a reasonable short-term contract, he would be worth considering but I'm skeptical about whether he can stay healthy in a 3-4 alignment. I thought that was one of the reasons Baltimore reverted to a 4-3 in the first place.

He's also managed to start fourteen games or more in eight out of ten seasons overall. He's been healthier than almost all other veteran LBs, and like someone mentioned before we're a playmakers and a FS away from having a historic defense on our hands. He probably doesn't want to end his career limping away in Dallas with all eyes on him expected to lead that young group of players as well. After all this he'll probably sign to San Diego and make this a mute argument.

[Alexander]

Rivera is the litmus test for the whole NFL?

I felt when we brought in Deion it vaulted us forward.

Same with Haley.

Same with Glover.

Same with Henry until he got hurt.

It's true he could implode. I don't see why it should be automatic though. At times taking chances does pay off.

None of these three other players missed 12 games in their previous four seasons prior to becoming Cowboys either. Not only has Lewis missed time, he was ineffective in others because he simply could not handle the beating. He was worn down as could be in 2004 playing in the 3-4. That was one of the reasons they thought going to the 46 was a good thing.

[dbair1967]

If you had to choose a 3rd for Ray Ray, or a 2nd in the Supplemental Draft for Ahmad Brooks, which would you do?

:grin:

Sorry to make your stomach churn D, but now and then I like yanking your chain. Maalox...

I wouldnt do either of those deals to be honest

I think the Ravens will either keep Lewis or release him because I doubt anyone will trade for him

and nobody is giving a 2nd for Brooks...as I said in another thread, I'll bet anyone he doesnt even go 1st day, honestly wont surprise me if he goes undrafted

David

[Eskimo]

He's also managed to start fourteen games or more in eight out of ten seasons overall. He's been healthier than almost all other veteran LBs, and like someone mentioned before we're a playmakers and a FS away from having a historic defense on our hands. He probably doesn't want to end his career limping away in Dallas with all eyes on him expected to lead that young group of players as well. After all this he'll probably sign to San Diego and make this a mute argument.

It is true he has been healthy most of his career but I am leery of players who have major injuries in their 30s - especially if they are going to be changeing to a position (ILB) that caused such wear and tear on his body that his D coordinator decided to change to a 4-3 to better protect him.

He may still have a couple good years left in him, but I wouldn't recommend going after him unless we were going to go back to a 4-3 alignment as the base defense.