Matt Mosely Stands By His Report

[rcaldw]

Guys,

You may remember that I emailed Matt Mosely last week wanting him to confirm that it was FACT not rumor that the Jets offered their 3rd round pick for Romo before the trade deadline this past season.

Matt graciously answered my question and said that he sourced it, that his source could not be more reliable, and that he stood by his report that the Jets offered their 3rd round pick for Romo and the Cowboys turned it down.

I want to say 2 things about this.

1. Whether you agree with all that they write or not, JJT and Matt Mosely have proven themselves to be very fan friendly as both of them now have responded to email inquiries of mine. JJT on more than one occasion. That is classy, and quite frankly, refreshing. Thank you Matt.

2. I think Cowboys fans need to remember this and if Tony Romo washes out ask why we passed on a 3rd round pick from a bad team (which gets closer to a 2nd round selection), for a guy who never made it with us. If Romo makes it, then a good decision, but if Romo doesn't, that is not an insignificant pick to turn down.

[TheHustler]

We turned it down to get a 2nd from the Saints. Duh. :)

[rcaldw]

We turned it down to get a 2nd from the Saints. Duh. :)

Well, honestly, I was hoping that it was a rumor. I don't like the thought of turning down a 3rd for a 1AA QB who has never thrown an NFL pass and is 26 years old.

[speedkilz88]

Mosely and Romo are buddy-buddy, there's your source.(either Romo himself or Romo's agent) I'm sure there was true interest by the Jets just highly doubt that a 3rd was ever offered.

[Eddie]

Reminds me of us turning down a 2nd rounder from the Jaguars for Erik Williams in his final year. We wound up with nothing.

The guy was a beaten shell of his former self, yet Jerry Jones thought he could salvage a once promising career. Not.

In the end, we got nothing.

Same with Romo. We'll end up with nothing.

[Derinyar]

If we passed down a 3rd for Romo its a bad decision. Yes, Romo might become something, but I suspect its not likely to be here. Romo isn't going to get snaps unless Bledsoe goes down, and if Bledsoe goes down I think we probably take a look at Henson as opposed to Romo.

[CaptainAmerica]

Well, honestly, I was hoping that it was a rumor. I don't like the thought of turning down a 3rd for a 1AA QB who has never thrown an NFL pass and is 26 years old.


Thanks for sharing that with us. The original report was that the Jets "discussed" offering a 3rd round pick.

I agree with you on Romo. I'll be surprised if he ever does anything, but I certainly could be wrong.

That being said, Mick mentioned in a report recently that Sean Payton was raving about Romo during SB week.

We shall see.

[Little Jr]

Why is it so hard to believe someone offered a 3rd round pick for Romo? I hear some people say " no way the Jets offered a 3rd for a QB that never has thrown a pass in the NFL." Well let me remind everyone the Cowboys gave a 3rd up for a QB that never had thrown a pass in the NFL or a pass in 3 years.

[rcaldw]

Why is it so hard to believe someone offered a 3rd round pick for Romo? I hear some people say " no way the Jets offered a 3rd for a QB that never has thrown a pass in the NFL." Well let me remind everyone the Cowboys gave a 3rd up for a QB that never had thrown a pass in the NFL or a pass in 3 years.

Why open that can of worms again. We all know the difference.

One was projected to be a #1 draft pick had he stayed in College instead of playing baseball, the other was undrafted.

One played at Michigan and won Big Ten Honors at QB, the other played at a division 1AA school.

One is prototypical in size and skills, the other isn't.

There is your explanation.

[BigDPlayer]

I bet you Romo is our next QB, ala Favre coming from out of nowhere to greatness. I just love the guys cool demeanor, and anyone with the concentration and body control to be a scratch golfer and almost qualify for a major, well, that says a lot to me. Keeping cool under pressure, mental pressure, to be able to excel in golf are some of the intangibles required for success as an NFL QB. . . IMHO.

I think if Bledsoe goes down this season at all, we may have a controversy. Plus, I can't wait to see him in action in preseason.

[clayman]

, if we could get a 3rd for Romo and the Dolphins albeit a few yrs back paid a 2nd for AJ Feeley...what could teams like the Deadskins and Cardinals get for Ramsey and McCown respectively since they've seen real action as a starter????

[rcaldw]

, if we could get a 3rd for Romo and the Dolphins albeit a few yrs back paid a 2nd for AJ Feeley...what could teams like the Deadskins and Cardinals get for Ramsey and McCown respectively since they've seen real action as a starter????

That is a great point. Did the Dolphins really give a 2nd for Feeley? wow.

[Little Jr]

Why open that can of worms again. We all know the difference.

One was projected to be a #1 draft pick had he stayed in College instead of playing baseball, the other was undrafted.

One played at Michigan and won Big Ten Honors at QB, the other played at a division 1AA school.

One is prototypical in size and skills, the other isn't.

There is your explanation.

Wasnt trying to open up any can of worms. Just dont see the shock of someone offering a 3rd for Romo.


One is 3rd string and playing in Europe. Big Ten Honors, prototypical size, and PROJECTED #1 PICK IF................ really doesnt mean much after not playing a down in 3 years.

[rcaldw]

Wasnt trying to open up any can of worms. Just dont see the shock of someone offering a 3rd for Romo.


One is 3rd string and playing in Europe. Big Ten Honors, prototypical size, and PROJECTED #1 PICK IF................ really doesnt mean much after not playing a down in 3 years.

I actually agree with you on that, I'm simply saying, he wasn't 3 years into his NFL career when Dallas gave that 3rd. I don't know if they would give a
3rd now or not.

But Romo hasn't played a down of significant football in 3 years either, and he has none of the other things going for him.

But if Payton loves him, who knows, maybe we can get a 2nd for him.

[jackrussell]

Reminds me of us turning down a 2nd rounder from the Jaguars for Erik Williams in his final year. We wound up with nothing.

The guy was a beaten shell of his former self, yet Jerry Jones thought he could salvage a once promising career. Not.

In the end, we got nothing.

Same with Romo. We'll end up with nothing.
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[Alexander]

Thanks for the depressing post.

[yesfan]

You have to believe Romo is very good,or otherwise, wonder
if Parcells played poker face with a bluff,and did not have a back-up
QB either?If Payton really wants the kid,then their is something there.

[Alexander]

You have to believe Romo is very good,or otherwise, wonder
if Parcells played poker face with a bluff,and did not have a back-up
QB either?If Payton really wants the kid,then their is something there.

These trade talks happened around week 12 of last year if I recall correctly (or whenever the trade deadline is).

There is no way that Coach Parcells knew at the time that Payton would be a head coach anywhere and hung onto Romo because of that. So the only reasonable explanation is he thinks he is better than what he could get with a third round choice or simply was not comfortable going the rest of the year with Henson as a backup. Payton's interest or lack thereof now is irrelevant.

[CM Duck]

Let's say Payton "loves" Romo enough to wanna trade a pick(s) to get him to NO.

Do you guys think they would still keep their #3 pick to get Young or Leinart?

I mean, if he is willing to give at least a 3rd for the guy. Why use 2 of your top 3 picks on QBs when the saints need ALOT to get the team back where they need to be.

If there is a trade brewing between the Boys and saints I think the saints may have another trade brewing with another team that wants to move up to get Young or Leinart, that would also give up their 2nd or 3rd to move up to that spot in the 1st. That's how Payton would be able to afford to give a 2nd or 3rd for Romo. IMO

[speedkilz88]

I bet you Romo is our next QB, ala Favre coming from out of nowhere to greatness. I just love the guys cool demeanor, and anyone with the concentration and body control to be a scratch golfer and almost qualify for a major, well, that says a lot to me. Keeping cool under pressure, mental pressure, to be able to excel in golf are some of the intangibles required for success as an NFL QB. . . IMHO.

I think if Bledsoe goes down this season at all, we may have a controversy. Plus, I can't wait to see him in action in preseason.Favre didn't come out of nowhere, he was a very high second round pick and probably would have been higher had he not suffered a career threatening(and life threatening for that matter) car wreck while in college.

[blindzebra]

Wasnt trying to open up any can of worms. Just dont see the shock of someone offering a 3rd for Romo.


One is 3rd string and playing in Europe. Big Ten Honors, prototypical size, and PROJECTED #1 PICK IF................ really doesnt mean much after not playing a down in 3 years.

I don't think anyone was shocked that someone offered a 3rd...I still think it's BS by the way, Mosley's original story and every other media report used the words considered offering...the shock is, that if true, why the hell we'd turn it down?:wink2:

[Sasquatch]

Favre didn't come out of nowhere, he was a very high second round pick and probably would have been higher had he not suffered a career threatening(and life threatening for that matter) car wreck while in college.

Would Hasselbeck to the Seahawks be a better example?

[Rack Bauer]

If AJ Feeley can go for a 2nd round pick then Romo can most CERTAINLY go for a 3rd. Period.

[jackrussell]

If AJ Feeley can go for a 2nd round pick then Romo can most CERTAINLY go for a 3rd. Period.

More to the point, if someone is stupid enough to give a 2nd for AJ Feely then someone else can most CERTAINLY be stupid enough to give a 3rd for Romo.

[Rack Bauer]

More to the point, if someone is stupid enough to give a 2nd for AJ Feely then someone else can most CERTAINLY be stupid enough to give a 3rd for Romo.



Eggggggzactly!

[REDVOLUTION]

Reminds me of us turning down a 2nd rounder from the Jaguars for Erik Williams in his final year. We wound up with nothing.

The guy was a beaten shell of his former self, yet Jerry Jones thought he could salvage a once promising career. Not.

In the end, we got nothing.

Same with Romo. We'll end up with nothing.

Thats like comparing Apples and Watermelons :lmao2:

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree.....Matt Mosely has always sent emails to the fans.

[Hostile]

Let's say Payton "loves" Romo enough to wanna trade a pick(s) to get him to NO.

Do you guys think they would still keep their #3 pick to get Young or Leinart?

I mean, if he is willing to give at least a 3rd for the guy. Why use 2 of your top 3 picks on QBs when the saints need ALOT to get the team back where they need to be.

If there is a trade brewing between the Boys and saints I think the saints may have another trade brewing with another team that wants to move up to get Young or Leinart, that would also give up their 2nd or 3rd to move up to that spot in the 1st. That's how Payton would be able to afford to give a 2nd or 3rd for Romo. IMOThe Saints have the 2nd pick in the Draft not the 3rd. They will take Matt Leinart, not trade away the pick. I don't believe for one minute that they will contact us about Tony Romo. Then again, I am a born skeptic.

[superpunk]

Well, honestly, I was hoping that it was a rumor. I don't like the thought of turning down a 3rd for a 1AA QB who has never thrown an NFL pass and is 26 years old.

And yet the man who sees him in practice, every day, and knows more about him than the mere fact that he's a 1AA QB, thought it was a good idea. How does the fact that the Jets were even offering a third round pick, for this paltry 1AA QB, NOT encourage you? I know you're in love with Henson, but Romo's obviously got something. The fact that other NFL teams are offering first day draft picks, for this 1AA QB who has never thrown a pass and is 26 years old, should tell you something about how actual professionals feel about his ability. The fact that such a high price was turned down, by the man who knows his abilities better than anyone else, should tell you even more.

[superpunk]

That is a great point. Did the Dolphins really give a 2nd for Feeley? wow.

Feeley had also come into games for the Eagles, and performed really quite well. His value as a backup, was really high. They gambled, and lost.

[wileedog]

Lets not forget that we were still very much in the playoff hunt when the trade deadline rolled around. If we make the deal and Bledsoe goes down the next week, we have exactly one QB on the roster in Henson, who clearly didn't look ready to take a team to the playoffs in camp.

You can look at it that we gambled that Romo would pan out, but you also have to take into account that we would be essentially risking the season for a 3rd round pick.

[Doomsday101]

Guys,

You may remember that I emailed Matt Mosely last week wanting him to confirm that it was FACT not rumor that the Jets offered their 3rd round pick for Romo before the trade deadline this past season.

Matt graciously answered my question and said that he sourced it, that his source could not be more reliable, and that he stood by his report that the Jets offered their 3rd round pick for Romo and the Cowboys turned it down.

I want to say 2 things about this.

1. Whether you agree with all that they write or not, JJT and Matt Mosely have proven themselves to be very fan friendly as both of them now have responded to email inquiries of mine. JJT on more than one occasion. That is classy, and quite frankly, refreshing. Thank you Matt.

2. I think Cowboys fans need to remember this and if Tony Romo washes out ask why we passed on a 3rd round pick from a bad team (which gets closer to a 2nd round selection), for a guy who never made it with us. If Romo makes it, then a good decision, but if Romo doesn't, that is not an insignificant pick to turn down.

I hate to say it because I do like Romo but if the Jets were offering a 3rd and we passed that up then that was a dumb mistake on our part.

[MinnesotaCowboy]

Thanks for sharing that with us. The original report was that the Jets "discussed" offering a 3rd round pick.

I agree with you on Romo. I'll be surprised if he ever does anything, but I certainly could be wrong.

That being said, Mick mentioned in a report recently that Sean Payton was raving about Romo during SB week.

We shall see.

Could it be that he was raving about Romo to set up a smoke screen because the guy he really wants is Henson??????;)

[Gadfly22]

Giving up Romo for a 3rd is a good deal only if your backup QB is already on the roster. If he isn't -- and Henson appeared at the time not to be ready for that role -- then you have to go into the market and find a replacement.

And if the market says that Romo is worth a 3rd, then his equivalent will cost a 3rd -- and the team would be no better off.

Folks who are amazed that the Cowboys would pass up a "deal" like this are under the impression that (1) Henson could have taken over (the coaches beg to differ) or (2) some bargain-basement QB available for peanuts is sitting on the shelf, just waiting to be an effective No. 2.

[Doomsday101]

Giving up Romo for a 3rd is a good deal only if your backup QB is already on the roster. If he isn't -- and Henson appeared at the time not to be ready for that role -- then you have to go into the market and find a replacement.

And if the market says that Romo is worth a 3rd, then his equivalent will cost a 3rd -- and the team would be no better off.

Folks who are amazed that the Cowboys would pass up a "deal" like this are under the impression that (1) Henson could have taken over (the coaches beg to differ) or (2) some bargain-basement QB available for peanuts is sitting on the shelf, just waiting to be an effective No. 2.

I'm under the impression that Romo has not taken a single snap in a real game and not convinced he can or will be the man for the job. If there was more to go on with Romo I may feel different but as of right now he has not done a thing and getting a 3rd pick for a player who has not done squat is a pretty good deal to me. Lastly to me this has nothing to do with Henson.

[notherbob]

Lets not forget that we were still very much in the playoff hunt when the trade deadline rolled around. If we make the deal and Bledsoe goes down the next week, we have exactly one QB on the roster in Henson, who clearly didn't look ready to take a team to the playoffs in camp.

You can look at it that we gambled that Romo would pan out, but you also have to take into account that we would be essentially risking the season for a 3rd round pick.

Ummmmmmmmm...I think you're exactly right.
At the trading deadline, it looked like the Boys would be in the playoffs and you would not want to get caught with only your #3 for a backup. Keeping him was insurance and also showed BP was right in going after him so aggressively in the first place and why he have him a raise and contract extension last year. We're all going to see a lot more of Romo in off-season camps and TC this year. It will definitelty be interesting no matter whether Henson flops or flourishes in NFL-Euro - and even if Romo flops; that too, will be interesting.

This off-season is becoming as interesting as the real season.

[rcaldw]

And yet the man who sees him in practice, every day, and knows more about him than the mere fact that he's a 1AA QB, thought it was a good idea. How does the fact that the Jets were even offering a third round pick, for this paltry 1AA QB, NOT encourage you? I know you're in love with Henson, but Romo's obviously got something. The fact that other NFL teams are offering first day draft picks, for this 1AA QB who has never thrown a pass and is 26 years old, should tell you something about how actual professionals feel about his ability. The fact that such a high price was turned down, by the man who knows his abilities better than anyone else, should tell you even more.

First, I don't know why all you guys who like Romo always have to bring Henson into the discussion, it really baffles me. I like Drew Henson over Tony Romo for reasons that I have not only been clear about, but that also seem to make sense to me. If you think Bill Parcells is a qb god, go ahead, doesn't bother me a bit, but I'm one of the senseless people (I guess) who don't believe that what Parcells thinks or says is gospel.

Having said that, I agree completely with Doomsday. To turn down a 3rd for a guy who hasn't done anything in 3 years of pro football is just stupid.

[conner01]

i think you have to be careful trading away young qb's. think the packers would like to still have hasselback? think the saints wish they had traded their other qb?

[Hostile]

i think you have to be careful trading away young qb's. think the packers would like to still have hasselback? think the saints wish they had traded their other qb?The Packers did a great job drafting QBs for a lot of years.

Aaron Brooks
Matt Hasselbeck
Mark Brunnell

All got their genesis to riches in Cheese Land.

I wish we were doing half as well.

[superpunk]

First, I don't know why all you guys who like Romo always have to bring Henson into the discussion, it really baffles me. I like Drew Henson over Tony Romo for reasons that I have not only been clear about, but that also seem to make sense to me. If you think Bill Parcells is a qb god, go ahead, doesn't bother me a bit, but I'm one of the senseless people (I guess) who don't believe that what Parcells thinks or says is gospel.

Henson is brought up, because you, like others on here, have chosen your side in the back-up QB debate, and constantly put your agenda out there, against the other. I personally, like them both. I think they both have alot of potential, and hopefully we'll see one of them realize it for the Star. I, for one, could care less which QB gets the job in the long run. I've made no choice, and I have no delusions about Parcells being a QB god. However, I tend to trust his judgement a little more than yours, particularly, when it comes to players you've never seen, thus giving you no ability to judge.

Having said that, I agree completely with Doomsday. To turn down a 3rd for a guy who hasn't done anything in 3 years of pro football is just stupid.

And I'm sure if someone had offered the Saints a third round pick for Jake Delhomme back in the day, that would have been just stupid to turn down as well. Right?

[Doomsday101]

Henson is brought up, because you, like others on here, have chosen your side in the back-up QB debate, and constantly put your agenda out there, against the other. I personally, like them both. I think they both have alot of potential, and hopefully we'll see one of them realize it for the Star. I, for one, could care less which QB gets the job in the long run. I've made no choice, and I have no delusions about Parcells being a QB god. However, I tend to trust his judgement a little more than yours, particularly, when it comes to players you've never seen, thus giving you no ability to judge.



And I'm sure if someone had offered the Saints a third round pick for Jake Delhomme back in the day, that would have been just stupid to turn down as well. Right?

I guess that depends are we talking about Jake when he was in NO or now that he is playing in Carolina. Remember he was a FA no one was looking to pull a trade with the saints for him and he went to Car at a decent price. In the end it worked out very well for Car but they gave up nothing to get him.
I'm not against Romo but I think there is a real chance that he does not do much in the NFL and to pass up a 3rd for an unproven UFA may not have been the best thing to do.

[superpunk]

I guess that depends are we talking about Jake when he was in NO or now that he is playing in Carolina. Remember he was a FA no one was looking to pull a trade with the saints for him and he went to Car at a decent price. In the end it worked out very well for Car but they gave up nothing to get him.

We've given up nothing to get Romo. Who's to say that's not going to work out great for us?

I'm not against Romo but I think there is a real chance that he does not do much in the NFL and to pass up a 3rd for an unproven UFA may not have been the best thing to do.

Not to be rude, but you have absolutely no basis for thinking any of that, other than a simple assumption on the fact that he's an undrafted FA. Let's look at what we do know.

1. Undrafted FAs have succeeded before, after spending time on the bench, learning.

2. Parcells obviously likes this guy. Whether you choose to believe the third round pick trade rumor or not, Parcells has stuck by Romo, keeping him on the depth chart, and moving him up to back-up. Since Parcells is the ONLY one who sees ALL of our QBs, everyday, I'm gonna go with him on this one.

[InmanRoshi]

Its hilarious how anyone could be so biased about a player on your favorite team's roster that you're pissed off that he's well thought of around the league. Its obvious some people have a clear disdain for Romo and will never, never, never forgive him for going undrafted (or never, never, never forgive him for being better than Henson thus far). That's fine and your perogative, albeit highly illogical and ridiculous, but I fail to see how anyone could be anything other than ecstatic about the fact that we have a YOUNG quarterback who is so well thought off around NFL Front Offices (not just Parcells, not just Sean Payton) that they are offering Day 1 picks for him.

And why in the world would this franchise be in any situation to trade away young, promsing QB's when we have a 34 year old starter? So we trade Romo for a 3rd round pick, and what are we going to use that 3rd round pick on? Another young QB to take his place behind Bledsoe who's even more unproven, more unprepared to replace Bledsoe in case of injury next year, and two years behind him in the learning curve? Makes.No.Sense

[rcaldw]

Henson is brought up, because you, like others on here, have chosen your side in the back-up QB debate, and constantly put your agenda out there, against the other. I personally, like them both. I think they both have alot of potential, and hopefully we'll see one of them realize it for the Star. I, for one, could care less which QB gets the job in the long run. I've made no choice, and I have no delusions about Parcells being a QB god. However, I tend to trust his judgement a little more than yours, particularly, when it comes to players you've never seen, thus giving you no ability to judge.



And I'm sure if someone had offered the Saints a third round pick for Jake Delhomme back in the day, that would have been just stupid to turn down as well. Right?

Well riddle me this batman, if I have such an agenda, why would I even post this response by Matt Mosely? As I have stated, I want to believe that the Cowboys aren't putting such faith in Tony Romo. I argued that there was no way that the Jets or anyone else would have offered a 3rd round pick for the guy. If anything, Mosely's standing by his "source" just proved me wrong.

If I like Henson over Romo its an agenda? The only time I've ever posted "salty" things about Tony Romo was in response to Nors who is clearly into shock value. As I have stated on this board, if Tony Romo really pans out and produces, I will be as happy as anyone, I just want a young QB with a future instead of Parcell's retreads.

Now, in terms of trusting Parcell's judgment over mine, I can't say that I disagree with you. But I will also add, it doesn't take a chef to know that food tastes bad. It doesn't take a singer to know that someone missed a note. And it doesn't take a professional football coach to know that Vinny Testaverde playing in meaningless games when we could get young QB's some experience is just downright stupid.

And btw, there were FOOTBALL PEOPLE, people who actually played the game and coached the game, who agreed with me (or with whom I agreed) on that one.

[Hostile]

We have a young QB who is so well thought of around that teams are throwing Day 1 picks at us, and you guys are pissed off about it?

Ugh, okay.I don't think they're pissed about that IR. They're pissed because we could have had another Draft pick possibly and turned it down. There's no guarantee we'll get another offer. To have turned away a 3rd for a guy we got as a UDFA seems pretty short sighted. The only payoff now would be that he turns into something. There's no guarantee of that yet and the ship has sailed.

[superpunk]

Well riddle me this batman, if I have such an agenda, why would I even post this response by Matt Mosely?

Um, simple answer. Because you think turning down a first day pick for this poor, pitiful, undrafted FA is idiotic. Particularly when that makes it seem like Romo's got a little more than a leg up on Henson.

I just want a young QB with a future instead of Parcell's retreads.

Oh, like Tony Romo?

Now, in terms of trusting Parcell's judgment over mine, I can't say that I disagree with you. But I will also add, it doesn't take a chef to know that food tastes bad. It doesn't take a singer to know that someone missed a note. And it doesn't take a professional football coach to know that Vinny Testaverde playing in meaningless games when we could get young QB's some experience is just downright stupid.

And btw, there were FOOTBALL PEOPLE, people who actually played the game and coached the game, who agreed with me (or with whom I agreed) on that one.

Still bent over a decision that was made two years ago? It did no good to keep Vinny out there. I agree. But it would have made just as much sense (none) to trot out a young QB to be thrown to the wolves, unprepared as a starter for that game. Do you honestly believe 5-10 series in a meaningless game, is going to tell Parcells anything about the QB that he doesn't already know? Do you honestly believe that tiny bit of experience is going to make the difference between a player being great or a bust? A good player, is going to be good, in the long run, regardless of what happens along the way. A couple series, in a game they didn't prepare for as starter, where the defense can blitz the hell out of them, isn't going to make a bit of difference.

[superpunk]

Its hilarious how anyone could be so biased about a player on your favorite team's roster that you're pissed off that he's well thought of around the league. Its obvious some people have a clear disdain for Romo and will never, never, never forgive him for going undrafted (or never, never, never forgive him for being better than Henson thus far). That's fine and your perogative, albeit highly illogical and ridiculous, but I fail to see how anyone could be anything other than ecstatic about the fact that we have a YOUNG quarterback who is so well thought off around NFL Front Offices (not just Parcells, not just Sean Payton) that they are offering Day 1 picks for him.

And why in the world would this franchise be in any situation to trade away young, promsing QB's when we have a 34 year old starter? So we trade Romo for a 3rd round pick, and what are we going to use that 3rd round pick on? Another young QB to take his place behind Bledsoe who's even more unproven, more unprepared to replace Bledsoe in case of injury next year, and two years behind him in the learning curve? Makes.No.Sense

Exactly. Obviously, with Henson's athletic reputation, and better "pedigree" (whatever that means) he was my top choice as well. Everything about him kind of reminds me of Aikman. But the more I hear about Romo, it seems like this kid may have a little something. And I'm thrilled! No use letting my preconcieved notions of what makes a good QB, get in the way of actual evidence. And the little bit of evidence we have, points to Romo being a pretty decent prospect.

[Doomsday101]

We've given up nothing to get Romo. Who's to say that's not going to work out great for us?



Not to be rude, but you have absolutely no basis for thinking any of that, other than a simple assumption on the fact that he's an undrafted FA. Let's look at what we do know.

1. Undrafted FAs have succeeded before, after spending time on the bench, learning.

2. Parcells obviously likes this guy. Whether you choose to believe the third round pick trade rumor or not, Parcells has stuck by Romo, keeping him on the depth chart, and moving him up to back-up. Since Parcells is the ONLY one who sees ALL of our QBs, everyday, I'm gonna go with him on this one.

And who says it will work out for us by keeping him?
Your right UFA have worked out before it is called the exception to the rule but more times than not they don't pan out. Lastly I'm not coming down on Parcells but I think it is a bit of a risk passing up a 1st day draft pick to keep a guy who's upside just does not impress me that much based off what little I have seen from him and I don't think it would take long to find someone else with Romo talent.

[silver]

well our latest 3rd rounders have produced Jason Witten (2003), Stephen Peterman (2004) and Drew Henson (2005, Trade w/Houston in 2004). Houston BTW chose Vernand Morency RB from Oklahoma State who played sparringly mostly as a kickoff return man. Of those 3 years only the Witten case has been a success. Based on that, i believe we made the right choice by keeping Romo. We already found him, i would hate to lose him for a Vernand Morency or something like that.

[rcaldw]

Um, simple answer. Because you think turning down a first day pick for this poor, pitiful, undrafted FA is idiotic. Particularly when that makes it seem like Romo's got a little more than a leg up on Henson.



Oh, like Tony Romo?



Still bent over a decision that was made two years ago? It did no good to keep Vinny out there. I agree. But it would have made just as much sense (none) to trot out a young QB to be thrown to the wolves, unprepared as a starter for that game. Do you honestly believe 5-10 series in a meaningless game, is going to tell Parcells anything about the QB that he doesn't already know? Do you honestly believe that tiny bit of experience is going to make the difference between a player being great or a bust? A good player, is going to be good, in the long run, regardless of what happens along the way. A couple series, in a game they didn't prepare for as starter, where the defense can blitz the hell out of them, isn't going to make a bit of difference.


Alright, think what you want (you will) :). I think your koolaid pitcher speaks volumes :)

I've wasted enough energy already. I've stated my opinion, you have stated yours, lets just remember them when this whole thing plays out. I'm with Doomsday on this one. I think it will prove to have been an unwise move.

[superpunk]

And who says it will work out for us by keeping him?
Your right UFA have worked out before it is called the exception to the rule but more times than not they don't pan out. Lastly I'm not coming down on Parcells but I think it is a bit of a risk passing up a 1st day draft pick to keep a guy ....
I don't know what brilliant move we would make in the third round, that would pay off more than a QB who's spent a few years in our system, and is obvious;y considered a more than adequate back-up by Parcells.

who's upside just does not impress me that much based off what little I have seen from him and I don't think it would take long to find someone else with Romo talent.
Exactly. Obviously, the man who has seen ALOT of him, thinks it would take a little more than a third round pick, to find someone with his talent.

[InmanRoshi]

who's upside just does not impress me that much based off what little I have seen from him and I don't think it would take long to find someone else with Romo talent.

Well, obviously 2 NFL front offices and 2 current NFL head coaches (one of which is a HOF) disagree with your talent assessment.


Maybe someday if Henson proves to be anything other than another failed ex-baseball player Romo could be an expendible luxory. That day's not here, and Romo's not expendible.

[superpunk]

Alright, think what you want (you will) :). I think your koolaid pitcher speaks volumes :)

All of my jokes do. Speak volumes, that is....

I've wasted enough energy already. I've stated my opinion, you have stated yours, lets just remember them when this whole thing plays out. I'm with Doomsday on this one. I think it will prove to have been an unwise move.

Maybe it will. But as of now, you've got no reason to think that, aside from disdain for an undrafted FA, who is obviously highly thought of by at least two organizations. Hmmmmm.....wonder who has a better understanding of Romo's talent/worth?....

[Doomsday101]

I don't know what brilliant move we would make in the third round, that would pay off more than a QB who's spent a few years in our system, and is obvious;y considered a more than adequate back-up by Parcells.


Exactly. Obviously, the man who has seen ALOT of him, thinks it would take a little more than a third round pick, to find someone with his talent.

I like Bill but that does not mean I will agree with everything that takes place. Your right Bill has seen him more and I hope it works out but I think this is a risk passing up a 1st day pick for Romo.

[superpunk]

I like Bill but that does not mean I will agree with everything that takes place. Your right Bill has seen him more and I hope it works out but I think this is a risk passing up a 1st day pick for Romo.

Letting him go for a pick that could turn out to be anything, is more of a risk, don't you think?

[Doomsday101]

Letting him go for a pick that could turn out to be anything, is more of a risk, don't you think?

Not really, then again I don't have much confidence in Romo. He is entering his 4th year and has shown nothing and that includes what I have seen from him in pre-season. Thus far the only thing he has done was beat out Henson for the backup spot, even the best compliments from those who are big fans of his is that he has Moxie well I would trade Moxie for a day 1 pick.

[superpunk]

Not really, then again I don't have much confidence in Romo. He is entering his 4th year and has shown nothing and that includes what I have seen from him in pre-season. Thus far the only thing he has done was beat out Henson for the backup spot, even the best compliments from those who are big fans of his is that he has Moxie well I would trade Moxie for a day 1 pick.

MOXIE!!!!!

Sorry, every time I see that word, I laugh, and have to write it out huge. It cracks me up.

So far, he's the second best QB on our roster, and he's coveted by at least one other team, apparently. I don't have much more to go on than that, but that does encourage me a bit. I remember that I really liked the touch he put on the ball in preseason, he was pretty accurate as I remember. But, the fact that several NFL minds like what the fella brings to the table, makes me feel kinda good about him.

[Doomsday101]

MOXIE!!!!!

Sorry, every time I see that word, I laugh, and have to write it out huge. It cracks me up.

So far, he's the second best QB on our roster, and he's coveted by at least one other team, apparently. I don't have much more to go on than that, but that does encourage me a bit. I remember that I really liked the touch he put on the ball in preseason, he was pretty accurate as I remember. But, the fact that several NFL minds like what the fella brings to the table, makes me feel kinda good about him.

I don't want this to turn into a I hate Romo because the fact is I don't I just don't have much confidence in him and have seen nothing to change my mind on that. As for the Moxie that is not my discription of Romo but the one I keep hearing from others and I also get a kick out that as well

[InmanRoshi]

If "moxie" basically translates to a guy who efficiently moves his offense and gets his team into the endzone.

[CaptainAmerica]

You want to know what I think is crazy in all this Romo/Henson debate? No, you probably don't care to know but I'll tell you anyway. :D

It's the consistent reference some people who like Romo use to Brett Favre.
That is amazing to me!! The only thing those 2 guys have in common is that they are a little undersized from the prototypical size the scouts love and they can be careless throwing the football around.
With Favre, the "gunslinger" mentality is at least understandable because he has one of the strongest throwing arms OF ALL TIME. He also just happens to be in the top 2 or 3 of EVERY MAJOR PASSING RECORD IN NFL HISTORY. Romo has at best an average arm, just good enough to be considered NFL quality.

They aren't even comparable coming out of college. Favre played Div. 1 football and was almost single-handedly responsible for several major upset wins for Southern Miss against top teams like Bama, Auburn and #1 ranked FSU. Romo's Div. II experience isn't even comparable.

This is not intended as a knock on Romo, just a comment on comparing Romo to Brett Favre. How anyone can use Romo's name in the same breath with Brett Favre is one of the most confusing things I have ever read on this board. :confused:

[superpunk]

I don't want this to turn into a I hate Romo because the fact is I don't I just don't have much confidence in him and have seen nothing to change my mind on that.

I just question what you've seen that makes you form any opinion of him? I mean, all we have is a few preseason games, which he has looked decent in. How can you form a solid opinion - either way - based on what you've seen?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I still don't believe anybody had any deal on the table. I don't believe the Jets offered anything and I don't believe the Cowboys ever had an opportunity to turn anything down. This he said she said stuff is good for discussion in the off season but without any real proof, it still comes down to what each individual person elects to believe.

[InmanRoshi]

I agree, comparing Romo to Favre is almost as idiotic as comparing Henson to Aikman. Some people just can't help themselves.

I would just like someone to answer a basic question for me ... in what way are the Cowboys afforded the luxory of trading off an apparently highly thought of QB (at least around the NFL front office community, maybe not on fan messageboards) in their current situation? Because of Henson? Please, don't tell me its because of Henson. I mean ... I know it is, just don't say it. Its too ridiculous.

[superpunk]

I agree, comparing Romo to Favre is almost as idiotic as comparing Henson to Aikman.

Earlier, I wasn't comparing Henson to Aikman. Didn't mean for it to come off that way.

If you didn't mean me, then NVM...LOL :cool:

[silver]

I agree, comparing Romo to Favre is almost as idiotic as comparing Henson to Aikman. Some people just can't help themselves.

he compares favorably to dave krieg, another undrafted QB who played for a long time but was never good enough to win it all.

[Doomsday101]

I just question what you've seen that makes you form any opinion of him? I mean, all we have is a few preseason games, which he has looked decent in. How can you form a solid opinion - either way - based on what you've seen?

Your forming an opinion as well and what is that based on? I know Bill but he has been known to make mistakes before, I think he is a great coach but he is not perfect and in this situation I think an extra 3rd pick would benifet this team more than the unknown Romo, Sorry I don't think he would be that hard to replace.

[superpunk]

Your forming an opinion as well and what is that based on? I know Bill but he has been known to make mistakes before, I think he is a great coach but he is not perfect and in this situation I think an extra 3rd pick would benifet this team more than the unknown Romo, Sorry I don't think he would be that hard to replace.

How have I formed an opinion? Is it because I'm encouraged by the reports that, not only Bill, but other NFL minds around the league think Romo can be something? Backup QBs are hugely important. We've been more than fortunate in terms of QB health over the past few years (not that that's entirely a good thing :)) but Bledsoe could go down. What third round pick is going to be as familiar as Romo, or as potentially valuable, in a situation like that?

and you still haven't answered my previous question....

[rcaldw]

Keep in mind, in all of this discussion, that the Jets have the 4th pick of the 3rd round. That is about as close to a 2nd as you can get. :)

Bill must REALLY like Romo. :)

And another thing, people keep throwing around stuff like "NFL Front Office people think highly of Romo". Really? Outside of ours and reportedly the New York Jets who else has begged for him? Don't say New Orleans because you are basically talking about his buddy Sean Payton who equates to Dallas Cowboys.

Dallas likes him and reportedly the New York Jets, and who else?

And we turned down the 4th pick of the 3rd round according to Matt's source?

(granted the Jets didn't know where they would finish at that time, nor did we)

[kartr]

Guys,

You may remember that I emailed Matt Mosely last week wanting him to confirm that it was FACT not rumor that the Jets offered their 3rd round pick for Romo before the trade deadline this past season.

Matt graciously answered my question and said that he sourced it, that his source could not be more reliable, and that he stood by his report that the Jets offered their 3rd round pick for Romo and the Cowboys turned it down.

I want to say 2 things about this.

1. Whether you agree with all that they write or not, JJT and Matt Mosely have proven themselves to be very fan friendly as both of them now have responded to email inquiries of mine. JJT on more than one occasion. That is classy, and quite frankly, refreshing. Thank you Matt.

2. I think Cowboys fans need to remember this and if Tony Romo washes out ask why we passed on a 3rd round pick from a bad team (which gets closer to a 2nd round selection), for a guy who never made it with us. If Romo makes it, then a good decision, but if Romo doesn't, that is not an insignificant pick to turn down.

Very good points. We could have used that 3rd pick to fix our o-line.

[InmanRoshi]

Dallas likes him and reportedly the New York Jets, and who else?


Firmly know of? Nobody. We don't know who else has called to casually gauge interest because it hasn't been reported. Even if was, some would obviously chose not to believe it and accuse the reporter of fabrication because they illogically hate Tony Romo for no reason. Because, you know, as a reporter some things are just worth jeopardizing your credibility and major publication's credentials for ... and a makeup story about the trade value of a backup QB is certainly one of them. :rolleyes: But I digress.

But frankly I have a hard time believing the Jets just magically pulled the 3rd round pick offer for a former UFA offer from their Magic 8 Ball without some sort of market value baseline that had already been established previously.

Nationally syndicated NFL Writer like Chris Mortenson also listed Tony Romo among the top backup QB's in the NFL who will start one day in the NFL. Since he doesn't evaluate film, I can't help but think he based that off of an opinion of someone in the NFL.

Of course, he may have made that up to further his career at ESPN because he's in love with Tony Romo.:laugh2:

[Doomsday101]

How have I formed an opinion? Is it because I'm encouraged by the reports that, not only Bill, but other NFL minds around the league think Romo can be something? Backup QBs are hugely important. We've been more than fortunate in terms of QB health over the past few years (not that that's entirely a good thing :)) but Bledsoe could go down. What third round pick is going to be as familiar as Romo, or as potentially valuable, in a situation like that?

and you still haven't answered my previous question....

Then I would go with Henson if push came to shove but Romo has done nothing what so ever, he will be in his 4th year and if I can get anything for a guy who has done nothing then I would do it. I respect the fact you disagree and I'll just leave it at that.

[Hostile]

Then I would go with Henson if push came to shove but Romo has done nothing what so ever, he will be in his 4th year and if I can get anything for a guy who has done nothing then I would do it. I respect the fact you disagree and I'll just leave it at that.Gotta agree with you on this Dooms. If he had some skins on the wall I might fele differently. A FG and PAT holder just isn't that valuable to me and thus far that's all he is.

[kartr]

I hate to say it because I do like Romo but if the Jets were offering a 3rd and we passed that up then that was a dumb mistake on our part.

Just like giving up a third for Henson when he was drafted in the 6th round.
Houston's probably still laughing about that one, especially since we probably could have drafted Henson in the 6th round in 2004.

[Hostile]

Just like giving up a third for Henson when he was drafted in the 6th round.
Houston's probably still laughing about that one, especially since we probably could have drafted Henson in the 6th round in 2004.No, we couldn't have. He was drafted in 2003. By 2004's Draft he already belonged to us. Thank heavens.

[kartr]

Its hilarious how anyone could be so biased about a player on your favorite team's roster that you're pissed off that he's well thought of around the league. Its obvious some people have a clear disdain for Romo and will never, never, never forgive him for going undrafted (or never, never, never forgive him for being better than Henson thus far). That's fine and your perogative, albeit highly illogical and ridiculous, but I fail to see how anyone could be anything other than ecstatic about the fact that we have a YOUNG quarterback who is so well thought off around NFL Front Offices (not just Parcells, not just Sean Payton) that they are offering Day 1 picks for him.

And why in the world would this franchise be in any situation to trade away young, promsing QB's when we have a 34 year old starter? So we trade Romo for a 3rd round pick, and what are we going to use that 3rd round pick on? Another young QB to take his place behind Bledsoe who's even more unproven, more unprepared to replace Bledsoe in case of injury next year, and two years behind him in the learning curve? Makes.No.Sense

We could use the extra 3 as part of a package deal for Culpepper.

[Doomsday101]

Just like giving up a third for Henson when he was drafted in the 6th round.
Houston's probably still laughing about that one, especially since we probably could have drafted Henson in the 6th round in 2004.

At least the scouts around the league felt he has the potential to be a good QB and he has certain intangibles that made the scouts feel this way (Size, Arm Strength, Mobility and Accuracy) That does not mean he will live up to the potential many players don't but if I'm going to make a trade like that at least do it with a player who many feel has a great upside to him.

[rcaldw]

Firmly know of? Nobody. We don't know who else has called to casually gauge interest because it hasn't been reported (and even if was, some would obviously chose not to believe it and accuse the reporter of fabrication because they illogically hate Tony Romo for no reason). Because, you know, as a reporter some things are just worth jeopardizing your credibility and major publication's credentials for ... and a makeup story about the trade value of a backup QB is certainly one of them. :rolleyes: But I digress.

But frankly I have a hard time believing the Jets just magically pulled the 3rd round pick offer for a former UFA offer from their Magic 8 Ball without some sort of market value baseline that had already been established previously.

Your right Roshi, there has never been anything misreported in the history of newspapers. :)

No one (at least not myself) ever meant that Matt Mosely lied, but that maybe what he reported was floated out there by a "source" on purpose. (Maybe to actually CREATE some trade value for Romo). OR, maybe Mosely overstated what the source gave him over time.

I know this, it seems that when the report first surfaced it ran along the lines of "the Jets discussed", and before we knew it, it became "the Jets offered".

That is what led to this whole thing in the first place.

[blindzebra]

Firmly know of? Nobody. We don't know who else has called to casually gauge interest because it hasn't been reported (and even if was, some would obviously chose not to believe it and accuse the reporter of fabrication because they illogically hate Tony Romo for no reason). Because, you know, as a reporter some things are just worth jeopardizing your credibility and major publication's credentials for ... and a makeup story about the trade value of a backup QB is certainly one of them. :rolleyes: But I digress.

But frankly I have a hard time believing the Jets just magically pulled the 3rd round pick offer for a former UFA offer from their Magic 8 Ball without some sort of market value baseline that had already been established previously.

Nice to see the hypocrisy is still there.

You have taken subtle, and not so subtle, jabs at Henson throughout this thread while showing complete disdain for those speaking of Romo's shortcomings.

It is laughable.

Nobody is hating on Romo, we are hating on the fools that use Romo as a weapon to hate on Henson and to troll for reaction. We'd all be thrilled if EITHER became a solid NFL starter.

As for Mosley, who has openly pimped Romo since day one, I'll have my doubts about the "trade" until I hear it directly from Jerry or Bill.

[InmanRoshi]

No one (at least not myself) ever meant that Matt Mosely lied

Maybe you didn't, but some have. That's the depths people will go to bash Tony Romo for no good reason. They look utterly ridiculous and petty. Its now a conspiracy theory ... Matt Mosely and Chris Mortenson are jeopardizing their journalistic careers to hype a young, backup QB.

[superpunk]

Very good points. We could have used that 3rd pick to fix our o-line.

Yeah. That would have done it. :rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Maybe you didn't, but some have. That's the depths people will go to bash Tony Romo for no good reason. They look utterly ridiculous and petty.I guess I need you to point it out for me. Where in this thread has Tony Romo been "bashed?"

[kartr]

No, we couldn't have. He was drafted in 2003. By 2004's Draft he already belonged to us. Thank heavens.

I'm saying that if we hadn't of given a 3rd for Henson, he would have went back into the 2004 draft and we still could have gotten him in the 6th in 2004.Why the thank heaven, do you really believe that the guy is going to turn into a good qb, even after falling behind Romo.

[superpunk]

Then I would go with Henson if push came to shove but Romo has done nothing what so ever, he will be in his 4th year and if I can get anything for a guy who has done nothing then I would do it. I respect the fact you disagree and I'll just leave it at that.

How has Henson accomplished any more than Romo?

[blindzebra]

How has Henson accomplished any more than Romo?

Well he has actually played QB in a real NFL game.

[superpunk]

We could use the extra 3 as part of a package deal for Culpepper.

Yeah. It would be really great if we could replace one of the most turnover/sack prone QBs in the league, with a QB who is even worse in both of those areas. :rolleyes:

[InmanRoshi]

I guess I need you to point it out for me. Where in this thread has Tony Romo been "bashed?"

To essentially say that there is no way Tony Romo could be worth anything in a trade around the league, the "more plausible" answer is that a journalist from a major publication is in cahoots with said player in a conspiracy which the reporter will make up and fabricate a story to advance the player's sizzle factor. Let's get out the tinfoil hats to block the xrays that are reading our minds.

[rcaldw]

How has Henson accomplished any more than Romo?

Can I just ask again how Henson even got brought into this? The whole argument, as I read it in this thread, on the part of us who think this was a bad move, if indeed it happened, is that turning down a high 3rd round pick for Tony Romo was not a good move.

*NOT because we don't like Tony Romo personally (goodness we don't even know him)
*NOT because we don't want Tony Romo to turn out. (If he turns out I'll bet that myself, Doomsday, Hostile and all the others will be glad to rejoice with you, WE ARE COWBOYS FANS.)
*BUT because we would have turned down the 4th pick in the 3rd round for a guy who not only has done nothing in the NFL in 3 years (not even thrown a pass), but doesn't have great natural abilities, and didn't even play College football on the most difficult level.

It has NOTHING to do with Drew Henson. I don't even know how he figures in this debate?

[Doomsday101]

How has Henson accomplished any more than Romo?

He hasn't but as of yet I have not heard a rumor about someone offering picks for Henson. Drew is entering his 3rd season with the Cowboys and I for one think he will be under pressure this year to take that backup job away from Romo if that happens and I think there is a good chance it could happen I doubt you will see anyone offering another shot at a 3rd rd pick for Romo it would just be a missed oppertunity if the story is correct.

[Doomsday101]

Can I just ask again how Henson even got brought into this? The whole argument, as I read it in this thread, on the part of us who think this was a bad move, if indeed it happened, is that turning down a high 3rd round pick for Tony Romo was not a good move.

*NOT because we don't like Tony Romo personally (goodness we don't even know him)
*NOT because we don't want Tony Romo to turn out. (If he turns out I'll bet that myself, Doomsday, Hostile and all the others will be glad to rejoice with you, WE ARE COWBOYS FANS.)
*BUT because we would have turned down the 4th pick in the 3rd round for a guy who not only has done nothing in the NFL in 3 years (not even thrown a pass), but doesn't have great natural abilities, and didn't even play College football on the most difficult level.

It has NOTHING to do with Drew Henson. I don't even know how he figures in this debate?

I agree. If Tony showed he could be that franchise QB we are all hoping for I would be thrilled. My concern is for the Cowboys not any single player. I have been a fan to long and have seen too many players come and go so my concern is always that of the franchise and it's success.

[superpunk]

Well he has actually played QB in a real NFL game.

Playing one bad half of football, and having an INT returned for a TD, is an accomplishment?

[kartr]

At least the scouts around the league felt he has the potential to be a good QB and he has certain intangibles that made the scouts feel this way (Size, Arm Strength, Mobility and Accuracy) That does not mean he will live up to the potential many players don't but if I'm going to make a trade like that at least do it with a player who many feel has a great upside to him.

I understand the potential that Henson has, but considering the sparcity of his playing time in college and his length of time away from the game, I just felt that a 3rd was too high a price for a guy with those deficits. The most I would have given up for a guy like him was a fifth. I think the other 18 teams that went to his workout would probably agree with me,considering that they made no offers for Henson and apparently not even counter-offers to the first rounder that Houston was asking for. In fact, one scout who went to his workout said that the guy had potential, but he didn't think Henson would help anybody anytime soon. To me, this raises another question, couldn't we find a qb who played four years, or even three years at a major college that we could have drafted in the 4th or 5th or 6th rounds that would have been better than Henson already. Seems to me, that we unnecessarily 'reached' for the guy. I would think Henson would have been a better gamble for a team that already had an established qb, like Kansas City or even the Jets, since Pennington had some injury questions.

[superpunk]

Can I just ask again how Henson even got brought into this? The whole argument, as I read it in this thread, on the part of us who think this was a bad move, if indeed it happened, is that turning down a high 3rd round pick for Tony Romo was not a good move.

*NOT because we don't like Tony Romo personally (goodness we don't even know him)
*NOT because we don't want Tony Romo to turn out. (If he turns out I'll bet that myself, Doomsday, Hostile and all the others will be glad to rejoice with you, WE ARE COWBOYS FANS.)
*BUT because we would have turned down the 4th pick in the 3rd round for a guy who not only has done nothing in the NFL in 3 years (not even thrown a pass), but doesn't have great natural abilities, and didn't even play College football on the most difficult level.

It has NOTHING to do with Drew Henson. I don't even know how he figures in this debate?

Well, if you read back to the post Iwas responding to, it'll make sense.

[superpunk]

He hasn't but as of yet I have not heard a rumor about someone offering picks for Henson. Drew is entering his 3rd season with the Cowboys and I for one think he will be under pressure this year to take that backup job away from Romo if that happens and I think there is a good chance it could happen I doubt you will see anyone offering another shot at a 3rd rd pick for Romo it would just be a missed oppertunity if the story is correct.

Or, Henson could bust like the failed baseball players we've brought in before, and Romo could be the QB of the future. Could go either way.

[Doomsday101]

I understand the potential that Henson has, but considering the sparcity of his playing time in college and his length of time away from the game, I just felt that a 3rd was too high a price for a guy with those deficits. The most I would have given up for a guy like him was a fifth. I think the other 18 teams that went to his workout would probably agree with me,considering that they made no offers for Henson and apparently not even counter-offers to the first rounder that Houston was asking for. In fact, one scout who went to his workout said that the guy had potential, but he didn't think Henson would help anybody anytime soon. To me, this raises another question, couldn't we find a qb who played four years, or even three years at a major college that we could have drafted in the 4th or 5th or 6th rounds that would have been better than Henson already. Seems to me, that we unnecessarily 'reached' for the guy. I would think Henson would have been a better gamble for a team that already had an established qb, like Kansas City or even the Jets, since Pennington had some injury questions.

Well you could argue that all day but it does not change the fact that we did give a 3rd and the team is doing what they can to see that he does reach that potential I for one hope he can but I'm under no illusion that it is a sure thing.

[rcaldw]

Well, if you read back to the post Iwas responding to, it'll make sense.

Respectfully, I have read every post you have posted in this thread and it still doesn't make sense to me.

I think people always raise Henson to deflect attention away from what is a legitimate concern.

It amounts to, "has Henson shown anything more than Romo?"

I think we have adequately answered why that isn't even a part of this debate. Now I don't doubt that this won't stop the debate, or the constant bringing of Henson into it, but what I have just stated is a fact.

This is not about Drew Henson, this is about WHY the Cowboys (if the report is true) would have ever turned down what turned out to be the 4th pick of the 3rd round, for a 26 year old player who has never thrown an NFL regular season pass, and who was undrafted, and who doesn't have great natural abilities, and who played division 1AA football? THAT is the question.

[Doomsday101]

Or, Henson could bust like the failed baseball players we've brought in before, and Romo could be the QB of the future. Could go either way.

Sure that could happen. It could also be we had a chance to get a high 3rd pick from the Jets and that may end up being the best we could ever get if Romo does not work out. I really wish Tony would have gone to NFLE then maybe I would feel a bit different.

[rcaldw]

Respectfully, I have read every post you have posted in this thread and it still doesn't make sense to me.

I think people always raise Henson to deflect attention away from what is a legitimate concern.

It amounts to, "has Henson shown anything more than Romo?"

I think we have adequately answered why that isn't even a part of this debate. Now I don't doubt that this won't stop the debate, or the constant bringing of Henson into it, but what I have just stated is a fact.

This is not about Drew Henson, this is about WHY the Cowboys (if the report is true) would have ever turned down what turned out to be the 4th pick of the 3rd round, for a 26 year old player who has never thrown an NFL regular season pass, and who was undrafted, and who doesn't have great natural abilities, and who played division 1AA football? THAT is the question.

And by the way, we KNOW THE ANSWER to that question, if the reports are true. It is because the Cowboys brass thinks more highly of Tony Romo than they do of the potential of the pick.

Now, either this is exciting, and Bill Parcells has a real player.

Or, this will turn out to be a significant missed opportunity, which it is my opinion, this would have represented.

[Hostile]

I'm saying that if we hadn't of given a 3rd for Henson, he would have went back into the 2004 draft and we still could have gotten him in the 6th in 2004.Why the thank heaven, do you really believe that the guy is going to turn into a good qb, even after falling behind Romo.Yes, I really believe he will turn out to be good. No, I don't believe he'd have lasted long in the Draft. Day 1 pick, IMO.

You still think Q can be a good QB even though he's fallen behind Henson and 95 other QBs including Romo. Your theory holds more water than mine huh?

:laugh1:

I needed the laugh.

[superpunk]

This is not about Drew Henson, this is about WHY the Cowboys (if the report is true) would have ever turned down what turned out to be the 4th pick of the 3rd round, for a 26 year old player who has never thrown an NFL regular season pass, and who was undrafted, and who doesn't have great natural abilities, and who played division 1AA football? THAT is the question.

Because they know more about him than fans.

THAT is the answer.

[Hostile]

To essentially say that there is no way Tony Romo could be worth anything in a trade around the league, the "more plausible" answer is that a journalist from a major publication is in cahoots with said player in a conspiracy which the reporter will make up and fabricate a story to advance the player's sizzle factor. Let's get out the tinfoil hats to block the xrays that are reading our minds.I haven't read this discussion that way at all IR. I think you're hunting for the Boogie Man among people who just want to discuss a player's value. He isn't hiding under the bed.

[rcaldw]

Because they know more about him than fans.

THAT is the answer.

No, because they BELIEVE they know more about him than fans like us. And for the sake of the Cowboys I HOPE THEY ARE CORRECT. However, the odds say they are INCORRECT, and as Doomsday has said, I haven't seen anything yet that changes my mind.

And all of this turns on whether Mosley's source is even correct.

[superpunk]

Sure that could happen. It could also be we had a chance to get a high 3rd pick from the Jets and that may end up being the best we could ever get if Romo does not work out. I really wish Tony would have gone to NFLE then maybe I would feel a bit different.

It seems you're operating under the assumption that, since you haven't seen him, he can't be good. I'm assuming, on the other hand, that since BP has promoted him to second on the depth chart, he's our second best QB (seems fair) and might have a little something. The report that other teams have offered a first-day pick, just adds a little optimism to the situation.

[superpunk]

No, because they BELIEVE they know more about him than fans like us. And for the sake of the Cowboys I HOPE THEY ARE CORRECT. However, the odds say they are INCORRECT, and as Doomsday has said, I haven't seen anything yet that changes my mind.

And all of this turns on whether Mosley's source is even correct.

They believe? They see him every freaking day! I think they have a pretty good idea what sort of player Romo is. Unlike us fans, who haven't seen him, and thus can form no legitimate opinion of him, besides "the odds are against him succeeding, because he was undrafted."

And you posted Mosley's confrmation. I think this whole thread is operating under the assumption that Mosley was correct.

[Doomsday101]

It seems you're operating under the assumption that, since you haven't seen him, he can't be good. I'm assuming, on the other hand, that since BP has promoted him to second on the depth chart, he's our second best QB (seems fair) and might have a little something. The report that other teams have offered a first-day pick, just adds a little optimism to the situation.

No I'm assuming we could have gotten a high 3rd pick for a player who has 0 attempts and 0 receptions after 4 years in the NFL. I don't know if the story is true or not and really have a hard time thinking it is because it really makes the Jets look pretty stupid as well of wanting to give up a day 1 pick for a player who has not done anything.

[wileedog]

This is not about Drew Henson, this is about WHY the Cowboys (if the report is true) would have ever turned down what turned out to be the 4th pick of the 3rd round, for a 26 year old player who has never thrown an NFL regular season pass, and who was undrafted, and who doesn't have great natural abilities, and who played division 1AA football? THAT is the question.

And I'll repeat myself and answer it. Because the trade deadline happens in the middle of the season and trading Romo leaves only an un-prepared Henson backing up a 33 year old QB who is getting sacked constantly.

You don't risk a possible playoff berth for a 3rd round pick. This has nothing to do with Romo's future potential, or even Henson's for that matter, or for relative trade values. Its called you need a back-up QB in this league, and Henson is not there yet.

If the Jets called on March 1st and offered that third round pick again Bill might jump all over it because he has time to find a suitable backup before the season starts. Timing matters.

[rcaldw]

And I'll repeat myself and answer it. Because the trade deadline happens in the middle of the season and trading Romo leaves only an un-prepared Henson backing up a 33 year old QB who is getting sacked constantly.

You don't risk a possible playoff berth for a 3rd round pick. This has nothing to do with Romo's future potential, or even Henson's for that matter, or for relative trade values. Its called you need a back-up QB in this league, and Henson is not there yet.

If the Jets called on March 1st and offered that third round pick again Bill might jump all over it because he has time to find a suitable backup before the season starts. Timing matters.

I don't disagree with you at all on this Wileedog.

[superpunk]

No I'm assuming we could have gotten a high 3rd pick for a player who has 0 attempts and 0 receptions after 4 years in the NFL. I don't know if the story is true or not and really have a hard time thinking it is because it really makes the Jets look pretty stupid as well of wanting to give up a day 1 pick for a player who has not done anything.

And you're also assuming the alleged third round pick, would have been more valuable to this team than Romo, which is baseless. You're apparently assuming Romo stinks, since you think an offer of a third for Romo, is stupid.

[Doomsday101]

And I'll repeat myself and answer it. Because the trade deadline happens in the middle of the season and trading Romo leaves only an un-prepared Henson backing up a 33 year old QB who is getting sacked constantly.

You don't risk a possible playoff berth for a 3rd round pick. This has nothing to do with Romo's future potential, or even Henson's for that matter, or for relative trade values. Its called you need a back-up QB in this league, and Henson is not there yet.

If the Jets called on March 1st and offered that third round pick again Bill might jump all over it because he has time to find a suitable backup before the season starts. Timing matters.

Very good point that had not crossed my mind.

[RCowboyFan]

Because they know more about him than fans.

THAT is the answer.

Ok, so you think Miami knew more than us fans when they gave up high 2nd round pick for Jay Feeley? I mean, heck Jay Feeley had more skins than Romo ever had when he was traded, and I thought he might end up being a good Backup QB to maybe a potential starter, but I always thats was dumb trade. Same with J.P. Losman who the Bills traded a lot to get him, when everyone knew he was highly suspect of QB in college to begin with. Great Physical abilities but not much good in the Mental department or maturity department.

Now as far as Romo is concerned, I am actually glad they didn't do the trade. My opinion of Romo always pretty much remained the same. I still think he can be at the best, a decent starting QB. I just don't see the star quality in him, but thats worth more than 3rd round pick to me, unless COwboys have a QB at hand for future.

From what I have seen of Romo, I thought he is too much of a gambler to be a good starting QB in consistancy basis, especially not having strong arm ( he has adequate arm strength, IMO, to be effective starting QB, but not strong enough to get away with gambles). Maybe thats has change over this past season during reps he got. I also don't like it too much when he opens his mouth, way too cocky for my liking, but thats just me. The very opposite of what other two are, Drew Bledsoe and Henson. And I actually like Bledsoe least of the three, but Bledsoe can sure talk like a true leader though.

Anyway, BP's track record here with Dallas doesn't exactly bat 100%. If he was so good at evaluating talent, he should do more better with his all his failed 2nd round OL talent. Heck for that matter all the OL he brought have been failures upto this point, with Pettiti still to be determined. His only success rate has been RBs. Remember he touted Blade and Stewart his 1st and 2nd years, and they turn out to be busts. Jacob Rogers a monumental bust. Anyway point is, there is not sollid Evidence that BP/staff know everytime what they are doing or they are evaluating talent very well.

But personally, I am glad, they didn't trade Romo. I would like to see, if he is all that, with Cowboys and not another team, eventhough I like Henson better and think he is better prospect eventually. But Henson's deal has lot more time than Romo, so time to find out about Romo is this year.

[rcaldw]

They believe? They see him every freaking day! I think they have a pretty good idea what sort of player Romo is. Unlike us fans, who haven't seen him, and thus can form no legitimate opinion of him, besides "the odds are against him succeeding, because he was undrafted."

And you posted Mosley's confrmation. I think this whole thread is operating under the assumption that Mosley was correct.

You are wrong on both counts.

1. Just because they see him everyday doesn't mean that their evaluation of the player is correct. Tom Landry saw Gary Hogeboom everyday and concluded that he was better than Danny White to start the 1984 season. Was he correct? Thus the term "believe".

2. Matt Mosley can be absolutely accurate in reporting what his source told him, and HIS SOURCE not have the information correct. Thus, we are believing that Mosley reported his source accurately (I believe this), and are dependent on the accuracy of his source.

[Doomsday101]

And you're also assuming the alleged third round pick, would have been more valuable to this team than Romo, which is baseless. You're apparently assuming Romo stinks, since you think an offer of a third for Romo, is stupid.

Yes I think not taking a 3rd draft pick for a player who stats sheet in the NFL look exactly like mine is stupid. Yes I think that

[superpunk]

You are wrong on both counts.

1. Just because they see him everyday doesn't mean that their evaluation of the player is correct. Tom Landry saw Gary Hogeboom everyday and concluded that he was better than Danny White to start the 1984 season. Was he correct? Thus the term "believe".

And where, pray tell, did I EVER say their evaluation was correct? Nowhere - that's where. But they certainly have a better idea, and more information to draw from, than fan-boys.

2. Matt Mosley can be absolutely accurate in reporting what his source told him, and HIS SOURCE not have the information correct. Thus, we are believing that Mosley reported his source accurately (I believe this), and are dependent on the accuracy of his source.

Which is probably why I said this;

I think this whole thread is operating under the assumption that Mosley was correct.

We can't question his source, because we don't know who it is.

[rcaldw]

Yes I think not taking a 3rd draft pick for a player who stats sheet in the NFL look exactly like mine is stupid. Yes I think that

Gotta admit I laughed on this one. The truth unfettered.

[superpunk]

Yes I think not taking a 3rd draft pick for a player who stats sheet in the NFL look exactly like mine is stupid. Yes I think that

Tell me....what exactly does that third round pick's NFL stat sheet look like?

[rcaldw]

And where, pray tell, did I EVER say their evaluation was correct? Nowhere - that's where. But they certainly have a better idea, and more information to draw from, than fan-boys.



Which is probably why I said this;

I think this whole thread is operating under the assumption that Mosley was correct.

We can't question his source, because we don't know who it is.

Respectfully Superpunk, those two points just don't make sense.

1. You were taking issue with my use of the word "believe", and I explained why I used it, and I was justified in doing so.

2. Just because we don't know who his source is doesn't rule out our dependence upon him or her IF Mosley got it right, which I believe he did. (I don't think he stands by it otherwise). So the whole debate centers on the reliability of Mosley's source.

[Hostile]

Tell me....what exactly does that third round pick's NFL stat sheet look like?Missfire. He hasn't been drafted yet since it would be this year's draft.

[Doomsday101]

Gotta admit I laughed on this one. The truth unfettered.

Well damn. I would not want to see the Cowboys trade for a 4th year player who has not shown anything. I could understand it had Romo played in some game but I doubt the Jets have seen much of Romo either yet I'm being told that they were willing to give us a 3rd.

[CATCH17]

Romo is Jay Fiedler at best.

[rcaldw]

Tell me....what exactly does that third round pick's NFL stat sheet look like?

It looks like ROOKIE with zero NFL stats, versus 3 year veteran with zero NFL stats. If we are talking the 4th pick of the 3rd round it reads, DRAFTED BY THE DALLAS COWBOYS WITH THE 4TH PICK OF THE 3RD ROUND, versus, UNDRAFTED BY ALL NFL TEAMS.

[RCowboyFan]

It looks like ROOKIE with zero NFL stats, versus 3 year veteran with zero NFL stats. If we are talking the 4th pick of the 3rd round it reads, DRAFTED BY THE DALLAS COWBOYS WITH THE 4TH PICK FO THE 3RD ROUND, versus, UNDRAFTED BY ALL NFL TEAMS.

Thats not true, I do think Romo has couple of Kneeldowns :p:

[Doomsday101]

Tell me....what exactly does that third round pick's NFL stat sheet look like?

It looks like a kid who is coming out of college and was thought highly enough to be drafted. Romo everyone was so high on him they did not bother to give up a fricking 7th round pick but now out of the Blue the Jets want to give us a 3rd?

[blindzebra]

Playing one bad half of football, and having an INT returned for a TD, is an accomplishment?

A tie game at the half, led a TD drive and had them in FG range for the lead but the kicker missed, and was 6-6 with a TD the game before.

How many passes has Romo thrown?

[superpunk]

Respectfully Superpunk, those two points just don't make sense.

1. You were taking issue with my use of the word "believe", and I explained why I used it, and I was justified in doing so.

It was the implication I read into it that I took issue with. IMO, they have more to go on, than just the "belief" that Romo is decent, they have evidence, from extensive observation. If that's not what you intended, then NVM.

[superpunk]

Missfire. He hasn't been drafted yet since it would be this year's draft.

I know. That was my point. He's accomplished just as much in the NFL as Romo.

[rcaldw]

It was the implication I read into it that I took issue with. IMO, they have more to go on, than just the "belief" that Romo is decent, they have evidence, from extensive observation. If that's not what you intended, then NVM.

Ok, I'm with you on that. No, I agree with you that they have more to go on than I do, I just meant that they still have to believe they are right or otherwise they would have taken the trade.

[superpunk]

It looks like ROOKIE with zero NFL stats, versus 3 year veteran with zero NFL stats. If we are talking the 4th pick of the 3rd round it reads, DRAFTED BY THE DALLAS COWBOYS WITH THE 4TH PICK OF THE 3RD ROUND, versus, UNDRAFTED BY ALL NFL TEAMS.


Stat sheet. Not Bio sheet. I realize on most stat sheets, there is a sort of bio summary at the top, but that is not a "stat."

[superpunk]

now out of the Blue the Jets want to give us a 3rd?

I still fail to see how you view that as some sort of missed opportunity, and not encouraging evidence of a player's progress. :confused:

[CATCH17]

Romo is Jay Fiedler at best.

[Doomsday101]

Well we know Bill does not let the media in at practice so I highly doubt he is allowing other NFL teams during practice and other than that what are the Jets basing their feeling for Romo over? What we all saw in pre-season if that is case then I still take the 3rd pick.

[ABQCOWBOY]

When all the BS is finally being passed around and everybody has had there share, the whole thing comes down to the fact that nobody knows what the club thinks of either. However, I do believe that this year is a water shed year for both players. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I'm begining to think that our future QB really isn't on the roster yet. I didn't think that before but I'm starting to believe that now.

[Doomsday101]

When all the BS is finally being passed around and everybody has had there share, the whole thing comes down to the fact that nobody knows what the club thinks of either. However, I do believe that this year is a water shed year for both players. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I'm begining to think that our future QB really isn't on the roster yet. I didn't think that before but I'm starting to believe that now.

I think your right although your last statement of being on the roster I hope your wrong. I do feel that this is a critical year for both QB's

[InmanRoshi]

I'm begining to think that our future QB really isn't on the roster yet. I didn't think that before but I'm starting to believe that now.

So, Dallas passed up a 3rd rounder for a player they don't think has any future with the team?

Oh, I forgot. Mosely made the story up for some strange, unidentified reason.

[superpunk]

Well we know Bill does not let the media in at practice so I highly doubt he is allowing other NFL teams during practice and other than that what are the Jets basing their feeling for Romo over? What we all saw in pre-season if that is case then I still take the 3rd pick.

Might be. Might be whispers around the league, of Romo being a good player. I'm sure people talk, and it would be easy enough for someone to say "Hey, that Romo, he's got a little something. Look out for him." Bill said as much in a conference call with the Seattle media. I don't know what they're basing their offer on, but I doubt the decision was made lightly.

[Hostile]

I know. That was my point. He's accomplished just as much in the NFL as Romo.The difference being one has 3 years in the NFL to have done something the other hasn't had the chance yet.

[kartr]

Yes, I really believe he will turn out to be good. No, I don't believe he'd have lasted long in the Draft. Day 1 pick, IMO.

You still think Q can be a good QB even though he's fallen behind Henson and 95 other QBs including Romo. Your theory holds more water than mine huh?

:laugh1:

I needed the laugh.

If Henson ever leads this team to the playoffs, I will never mention Carter's name again on this board, but if he doesn't and I'm positive that he wont, all bets are off. I think also that considering that neither the Jets or the Cowboys, two teams that Carter helped get to the playoffs, have gotten their without him proves my point. All I've learned about your perspective is that you just don't like Carter and I was right about the Lions and Browns and Dolphins and Raiders struggling at the qb position, when they could have taken a shot at Carter. So if those teams would rather lose without Carter and than win with him, it doesn't say much about their commitment to winning. I think the real joke is on the Jets, the whole team has fallen apart since they let Carter go and Terry Bradway was a good GM when he had Carter, and now he just plain sucks that he doesn't have him. Remember, you brought up Carter's name today, I didn't.

[superpunk]

The difference being one has 3 years in the NFL to have done something the other hasn't had the chance yet.

No doubt. But they've still accomplished the same amount, and their stat sheets look the same. Point being - either direction is a roll of the dice. In this case, BP probably went with "the Devil you know...." As was mentioned earlier, the timing was no doubt important. A good back-up QB, familiar with your system, is worth a 3rd rounder. Maybe your outlook could be different in the offseason, but in the middle of a playoff race? No sense rolling the dice on an unknown pick, when you've already got a player you;re obviously comfortable with.

[Hostile]

I still fail to see how you view that as some sort of missed opportunity, and not encouraging evidence of a player's progress. :confused:Why can't it be seen as both?

I don't mean to speak for Dooms or rcaldw, but I think we're all 3 very hopeful it means Romo is the goods.

At the same time, when he hasn't proven anything we have to wonder why they'd turn down an offer that is more than what they paid for the man. If the roles were reversed and someone was offering us a 2nd or 1st for Henson I'd be wondering the exact same thing I am now. Why did we turn it down? And will it cost us in the long run?

[Billy Bullocks]

I bet you Romo is our next QB, ala Favre coming from out of nowhere to greatness. I just love the guys cool demeanor, and anyone with the concentration and body control to be a scratch golfer and almost qualify for a major, well, that says a lot to me. Keeping cool under pressure, mental pressure, to be able to excel in golf are some of the intangibles required for success as an NFL QB. . . IMHO.

I think if Bledsoe goes down this season at all, we may have a controversy. Plus, I can't wait to see him in action in preseason.

Wasn't Favre a 2nd round pick though?

Doesn't Favre have a cannon of an arm?

You can't compare the two, and I know you weren't, but Favre has alot more intangibles than Romo does.

[Hostile]

If Henson ever leads this team to the playoffs, I will never mention Carter's name again on this board, but if he doesn't and I'm positive that he wont, all bets are off. I think also that considering that neither the Jets or the Cowboys, two teams that Carter helped get to the playoffs, have gotten their without him proves my point. All I've learned about your perspective is that you just don't like Carter and I was right about the Lions and Browns and Dolphins and Raiders struggling at the qb position, when they could have taken a shot at Carter. So if those teams would rather lose without Carter and than win with him, it doesn't say much about their commitment to winning. I think the real joke is on the Jets, the whole team has fallen apart since they let Carter go and Terry Bradway was a good GM when he had Carter, and now he just plain sucks that he doesn't have him. Remember, you brought up Carter's name today, I didn't.You can think that all you want, but you'd be wrong.

Yes, I brought up Q and you didn't. I wonder why?

:rolleyes:

[superpunk]

At the same time, when he hasn't proven anything we have to wonder why they'd turn down an offer that is more than what they paid for the man.

I don't see what conclusion you can come to, other than Romo's got something, that none of us know about. Granted, that might be difficult, since we don't have much info to go on regarding Romo, but that's the only logical conclusion. If that's not the case, then this team is run by morons, and that would just make me :(.

[InmanRoshi]

Jake Delhomme won the NFL QB Challenge. A challenge that is just made up of pure physical skill that has nothing to do with game management or "moxie". He went up against Big Ben, Lefty, Carson Palmer and Joey Harrington ... who were all drafted in the 1st round ... but he only won because his arm just magically got stronger since he was drafted.


Lack of physical talent is THE ONLY reason a Qb ever goes late in the draft or undrafted. It never has to do with injury concerns. Character concerns. Change of position. Lack of polish. Or, maybe, what level of school you played at.

Nope, its always about pure, physical skill. That's the only barometer that matters when it comes down to where a player is drafted.

[kartr]

Ok, so you think Miami knew more than us fans when they gave up high 2nd round pick for Jay Feeley? I mean, heck Jay Feeley had more skins than Romo ever had when he was traded, and I thought he might end up being a good Backup QB to maybe a potential starter, but I always thats was dumb trade. Same with J.P. Losman who the Bills traded a lot to get him, when everyone knew he was highly suspect of QB in college to begin with. Great Physical abilities but not much good in the Mental department or maturity department.

Now as far as Romo is concerned, I am actually glad they didn't do the trade. My opinion of Romo always pretty much remained the same. I still think he can be at the best, a decent starting QB. I just don't see the star quality in him, but thats worth more than 3rd round pick to me, unless COwboys have a QB at hand for future.

From what I have seen of Romo, I thought he is too much of a gambler to be a good starting QB in consistancy basis, especially not having strong arm ( he has adequate arm strength, IMO, to be effective starting QB, but not strong enough to get away with gambles). Maybe thats has change over this past season during reps he got. I also don't like it too much when he opens his mouth, way too cocky for my liking, but thats just me. The very opposite of what other two are, Drew Bledsoe and Henson. And I actually like Bledsoe least of the three, but Bledsoe can sure talk like a true leader though.

Anyway, BP's track record here with Dallas doesn't exactly bat 100%. If he was so good at evaluating talent, he should do more better with his all his failed 2nd round OL talent. Heck for that matter all the OL he brought have been failures upto this point, with Pettiti still to be determined. His only success rate has been RBs. Remember he touted Blade and Stewart his 1st and 2nd years, and they turn out to be busts. Jacob Rogers a monumental bust. Anyway point is, there is not sollid Evidence that BP/staff know everytime what they are doing or they are evaluating talent very well.

But personally, I am glad, they didn't trade Romo. I would like to see, if he is all that, with Cowboys and not another team, eventhough I like Henson better and think he is better prospect eventually. But Henson's deal has lot more time than Romo, so time to find out about Romo is this year.

Good post, and I might add that the best OL that we have,Adams,Allen and Gurode were already here when Parcells got here and he's got to take hit on this one. And you're right, Soloman Page,etc., were all better than Jacob Rogers and Al Johnson, and even Matt Lehr has found a starting gig in Atlanta. Parcells' has done a lot of good, but he's also done a lot of bad too.

[rcaldw]

Why can't it be seen as both?

I don't mean to speak for Dooms or rcaldw, but I think we're all 3 very hopeful it means Romo is the goods.

At the same time, when he hasn't proven anything we have to wonder why they'd turn down an offer that is more than what they paid for the man. If the roles were reversed and someone was offering us a 2nd or 1st for Henson I'd be wondering the exact same thing I am now. Why did we turn it down? And will it cost us in the long run?

You said it for me quite well, Hos, thanks.

[kartr]

Thats not true, I do think Romo has couple of Kneeldowns :p:

With a 0 completion percentage and zero qb rating, pretty impressive.
:laugh2:

[Hostile]

I don't see what conclusion you can come to, other than Romo's got something, that none of us know about. Granted, that might be difficult, since we don't have much info to go on regarding Romo, but that's the only logical conclusion. If that's not the case, then this team is run by morons, and that would just make me :(.I disagree with both assumptions.

If they felt he had something they'd be giving him playing time I think.

We also don't know if other picks or players were involved in the offer. We assume a 3rd for Romo straight up and we assume that Moseley's source is correct.

I never assume the team is run by morons regardless of a personnel move they make. Not even when we gave the reigns to Vinny. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the moves they make. That said, this is still a puzzler.

[superpunk]

I disagree with both assumptions.

If they felt he had something they'd be giving him playing time I think.

We also don't know if other picks or players were involved in the offer. We assume a 3rd for Romo straight up and we assume that Moseley's source is correct.

I never assume the team is run by morons regardless of a personnel move they make. Not even when we gave the reigns to Vinny. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the moves they make. That said, this is still a puzzler.

Having something, and being ready to run a team, are two different things. Romo might be showing signs, and impressing the decision makers, but is probably not a better option than Bledsoe right now, no matter how much you hate him. ;)

[Hostile]

Jake Delhomme won the NFL QB skills competition, and threw the longest pass in the arm strength competition ... but only because his arm just magically got stronger since he was drafted.


Lack of physical talent is THE ONLY reason a Qb ever goes late in the draft or undrafted. It never has to do with injury concerns. Character concerns. Change of position. Lack of polish. Or, maybe, what level of school you played at.

Nope, its always about pure, physical skill. That's the only barometer that matters when it comes down to where a player is drafted.:laugh2:

I'll be honest IR, I've never seen you with your nose so out of joint over nothing. Some posters are wondering about a deal that 1 source (ONE) mentions and the validity of it. Remember another source (JJT I believe) said no offer occurred. You'd think you were defending your dissertation for your PhD.

[kartr]

Romo is Jay Fiedler at best.

Don't you mean, Jay Fiedler with moxie. I think that Moxie and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.:D

[Hostile]

You said it for me quite well, Hos, thanks.Why is this so hard to understand?

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, Dallas passed up a 3rd rounder for a player they don't think has any future with the team?

Oh, I forgot. Mosely made the story up for some strange, unidentified reason.

Yes, Rosh, that's correct. Any more questions?

[kartr]

I think your right although your last statement of being on the roster I hope your wrong. I do feel that this is a critical year for both QB's

But if our future qb is on this team, doesn't that mean, no future at all.

[kartr]

You can think that all you want, but you'd be wrong.

Yes, I brought up Q and you didn't. I wonder why?

:rolleyes:

I'm wrong based on what? In fact, it's a fact. Maybe you're the one who makes up his own facts.

[InmanRoshi]

Yes, Rosh, that's correct. Any more questions?

I'm just gathering information. Then I'll ask a couple of question.

Let's see ... Dallas turned down a 3rd round draft pick for a player they care nothing about and don't see in their future, and Matt Mosely ... a reporter who works for a major publication that requires double verification to print a story ... risked his career to fabricate a story about a backup QB.

And Dallas doubled Romo's salary to and gave him a two year deal for what purpose again?

And Chris Mortenson listed Tony Romo as one of the current NFL backups who will start in the NFL in the future for what purpose again?

I guess my final question is where can I buy what you're smoking?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think your right although your last statement of being on the roster I hope your wrong. I do feel that this is a critical year for both QB's

Yeah, I really had hoped that Henson would pan out, and he still might, but I think the odds are against him right now. I hope he does come through, if for only the sake of the 3rd we invested, but we will see. As for Romo, well, I never had any expectations of him at all so he's a surprise of sorts. I think he has skills but I don't think he has mad skills so I see him as a backup. Either that or a player impatient to wait his turn for Bledsoe to finish up and eventually move on. I don't really buy into this whole 3rd round thing.

I just think that there might be a guy who we might be looking at in the next few years. Could be an FA, could be in the draft. Don't know to be honest, it's just a suspision at this point. Nothing at all to support that theory.

[RCowboyFan]

:laugh2:

I'll be honest IR, I've never seen you with your nose so out of joint over nothing. Some posters are wondering about a deal that 1 source (ONE) mentions and the validity of it. Remember another source (JJT I believe) said no offer occurred. You'd think you were defending your dissertation for your PhD.

In my many debates or arguments with IR, in his various Nicks he chose so far, thats always his ammo. I actually instantly recognize him by that argumentative style. Always takes things personel, when one doesn't fall his point. :D

Notice, he will be ready to put doubts on Henson any chance he gets though, all while saying opposite about Romo.;)

[Hostile]

Having something, and being ready to run a team, are two different things. Romo might be showing signs, and impressing the decision makers, but is probably not a better option than Bledsoe right now, no matter how much you hate him. ;)Who do I hate?

Man, I always get accused of hating someone. Carter, Bledsoe, Romo... Who next?

The rumor, and let's be honest Super Punk, that's all it is regardless of how you feel about Mosley, just doesn't add up. A guy or three wonder about the validity of the rumor and it escalates into hatred of Tony Romo. How does that look taking the blinders off?

I'll say it again, if there was a rumor out there that the Jets offered us a 2nd for Drew Henson and we turned it down I'd be wondering why. It's called return (or potential return) on your investment.

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. The Patriots would be foolish to accept a 2nd rounder for him. That's because they already know the value he has.

If he was 3 years into his career with yet to throw a single pass in the NFL and a team offered their 3rd for him I'd be asking the same questions.

Call me naturally curious if you want to. Call me greedy if you want to. But for heaven's sake drop the search for sinister motives behind questioning a RUMOR with 1 source.

[InmanRoshi]

In my many debates or arguments with IR, in his various Nicks he chose so far, thats always his ammo. I actually instantly recognize him by that argumentative style. Always takes things personel, when one doesn't fall his point. :D

Notice, he will be ready to put doubts on Henson any chance he gets though, all while saying opposite about Romo.;)

I've not said anything pesonal about anyone on this board in this thread. Other than maybe a good natured quip, every post has to do with the subject matter at hand.

The description of this forum is "For general discussions about the Dallas Cowboys NFL football team." That's what I'm participating in. If its heated, so be it. I like heated, as long as it doesn't get personal. However, your post does not even remotely fit the criteria. It has nothing to do with anything involving the Dallas Cowboys. Its just a bush-league, petty sniper attack on me, personally. It belongs on a ESPN messageboard.

Who's the one that makes it personal?

[Hostile]

I'm wrong based on what? In fact, it's a fact. Maybe you're the one who makes up his own facts.2003 to 2004 tell me there was 1 personnel move made on the Dallas Cowboys, in your case the waiver of Q, and the entire rest of the roster stayed healthy and in place.

Go ahead kartr, tell me that. Please tell me that's your "fact."

Tell me the same of the 2004 Jets and the 2005 Jets.

I'm begging you. Open your festering gob and pour out your nonsense and let's go to war. No more hiding. No more ducking me. Take off your gloves and throw some "facts" into the fire. Let's see who cooks whose goose.

Here's a tip if you've got the huevos to accept this challenge kartr, wear some asbestos undewear because your roast will be well done when I am finished.

You're in way over your head son, but by all means bring it. Mess with the bull you'll get the horns.

Don't make me beg again. Stop dancing and let's throw it on the fire.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm just gathering information. Then I'll ask a couple of question.

Let's see ... Dallas turned down a 3rd round draft pick for a player they care nothing about and don't see in their future, and Matt Mosely ... a reporter who works for a major publication that requires double verification to print a story ... risked his career to fabricate a story about a backup QB.

And Dallas doubled Romo's salary to and gave him a two year deal for what purpose again?

And Chris Mortenson listed Tony Romo as one of the current NFL backups who will start in the NFL in the future for what purpose again?

I guess my final question is where can I buy what you're smoking?

Provide the link that confirms this. Either that or spare me your BS on it.

Nobody ever said that Romo did not have skills but that doesn't mean he's a starter. He might be or he might not be. I personally believe that he might not be. You have nothing at all to support your theory. Your money angle is laughable. He's not getting paid a rediculous amount of doe by any means. 2bucks for a bag of chips, soda and a sandwich is a deal but if you had to pay 4 bucks, it would still be a deal. Simple as that IMO.

Auhh, you've trumped me. You've fallen back on the great Chris Mortenson, QB evaluator extrodinar, to validate your position. I guess I should just shut up and go home........ Oh wait, here's a thought..... maybe not.

Romo may be the guy or he may not. Either way, you don't know one way or the other. If your claiming you do, then I'm telling you your lying and your full of Shyt. Nobody knows how it will work out. Either QB may eventually work out or the guy may not even be here. Those are the facts and they are indisputable.

[superpunk]

Who do I hate?

Man, I always get accused of hating someone. Carter, Bledsoe, Romo... Who next?

It was a joke. Thought the little winkie-face would give it away....my bad...:)

The rumor, and let's be honest Super Punk, that's all it is regardless of how you feel about Mosley, just doesn't add up. A guy or three wonder about the validity of the rumor and it escalates into hatred of Tony Romo. How does that look taking the blinders off?

I don't think anyone hates Tony. Maybe I just live in a "glass-half-full world ", but a report that another NFL team offered a first day draft pick for one of our back-ups, encourages me. Tells me he's got something. I don't know much about Mosley, and I know nothing about his source, but this whole discussion has taken place under the assumption that his source is correct. Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about here.

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. The Patriots would be foolish to accept a 2nd rounder for him. That's because they already know the value he has.

Let's flip it a bit. Say during the 2001 season, a team offered them a third before the trade deadline. They are faced with option (a) let this kid who they've seen in practice and liked, walk, in hopes they'll get a decent player in the third next year, and Brady will fail on his new team, or (b) stick with the player they know, and have a good opinion of.

If he was 3 years into his career with yet to throw a single pass in the NFL and a team offered their 3rd for him I'd be asking the same questions.

Call me naturally curious if you want to. Call me greedy if you want to. But for heaven's sake drop the search for sinister motives behind questioning a RUMOR with 1 source.

Again. It was a joke. :disco: So why don't we disco?

[superpunk]

NVM....kartr's done pissed Hostile off...I'm out. :lmao2:

[Hostile]

It was a joke. Thought the little winkie-face would give it away....my bad...:)So was my response. I'm the one who forgot the smiley.

I don't think anyone hates Tony. Maybe I just live in a "glass-half-full world ", but a report that another NFL team offered a first day draft pick for one of our back-ups, encourages me. Tells me he's got something. I don't know much about Mosley, and I know nothing about his source, but this whole discussion has taken place under the assumption that his source is correct. Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about here.I believe I said earlier that the 3 of us on the other side of the fence all would like to feel encouraged but we'd also like more proof of this.

Let's flip it a bit. Say during the 2001 season, a team offered them a third before the trade deadline. They are faced with option (a) let this kid who they've seen in practice and liked, walk, in hopes they'll get a decent player in the third next year, and Brady will fail on his new team, or (b) stick with the player they know, and have a good opinion of.Teams gamble every year. Atlanta will forever be remembered for trading away Brett Favre. Philadelphia scammed Miami for Feeley.

Why is it so hard to grasp that we don't know enough about Romo to be giddy about this turned down trade?

[Hostile]

NVM....kartr's done pissed Hostile off...I'm out. :lmao2:I'm not pissed at all. I'm amused someone can be that dense.

[superpunk]

I believe I said earlier that the 3 of us on the other side of the fence all would like to feel encouraged but we'd also like more proof of this.

Miss Cleo wouldn't give me a straight answer. I've got to go on the report. I doubt we'll ever get hardcore proof, that would satisfy everyone.

Why is it so hard to grasp that we don't know enough about Romo to be giddy about this turned down trade?

Well, if it was just one instance, I'd be inclined to be just as skeptical as ya'll. But, a few things make me feel that Romo is showing Parcells something.

1. He was promoted on the depth chart, in his third year. Considering the importance Parcells places on that third year, that made a little impression on me.

2. The alleged report from Mosley.

3. Parcells comments to the Seattle media, speaking of Romo. I'll paraphrase, but when asked about his QBs (specifically Bledsoe and Henson, if I remember correctly), Parcells answered their question, and continued with "I've got another one down here that's pretty good, that you guys don't know about." It went overlooked mostly, but it's kind of stuck with me.

We've got no "field-proof." So, we've got to go with what we actually have. Which is, admittedly, mostly conjecture, and speculation. But it does encourage me a bit....

[RCowboyFan]

I've not said anything pesonal about anyone on this board in this thread. Other than maybe a good natured quip, every post has to do with the subject matter at hand.

The description of this forum is "For general discussions about the Dallas Cowboys NFL football team." That's what I'm participating in. If its heated, so be it. I like heated, as long as it doesn't get personal. However, your post does not even remotely fit the criteria. It has nothing to do with anything involving the Dallas Cowboys. Its just a bush-league, petty sniper attack on me, personally. It belongs on a ESPN messageboard.

Who's the one that makes it personal?

LOL,:D typical response, IR. Never changes. I guess saying that you take things personal, is insulting you? Alright, we need InManRoshi dictionary of words not to use, so that I or others debating with you know, that its bush league by your standards and its attacking you personally.

While on other hand, its fine and dandy for you to say, to a person who disagrees with your point, "where can I buy what you're smoking"? Oh I forget, thats just good natured Ribbing :cool:

Btw, I don't take anything you say personal. On other hand I know pretty well, arguing with you for several years now seems like, you do. Not that I always disagree with your viewpoints always, but you take things, like Hos mentioned in this thread, way too personal. Its goes back to Sportsonly.com board to this board in previous site.

Bottom, line, I never insulted you in this thread, other than saying, you have one standard for Romo and one standard for Henson, and you tend to take things or argue as if its something personal. If you want, I can post the links where you questioned Henson numerous times and never defended him like you did with Romo. And I know what your response will be for that too.

Beyond that, I doubt anyone else thinks I personally attacked you, since I didn't call you names, just said what Hos was saying was not off base at all. But I am sure that is "Bush-League" And ESPN Message boardesque ;)

[Hostile]

Miss Cleo wouldn't give me a straight answer. I've got to go on the report. I doubt we'll ever get hardcore proof, that would satisfy everyone.



Well, if it was just one instance, I'd be inclined to be just as skeptical as ya'll. But, a few things make me feel that Romo is showing Parcells something.

1. He was promoted on the depth chart, in his third year. Considering the importance Parcells places on that third year, that made a little impression on me.

2. The alleged report from Mosley.

3. Parcells comments to the Seattle media, speaking of Romo. I'll paraphrase, but when asked about his QBs (specifically Bledsoe and Henson, if I remember correctly), Parcells answered their question, and continued with "I've got another one down here that's pretty good, that you guys don't know about." It went overlooked mostly, but it's kind of stuck with me.

We've got no "field-proof." So, we've got to go with what we actually have. Which is, admittedly, mostly conjecture, and speculation. But it does encourage me a bit....If I were on a jury and you said "the Prosecution rests" after presenting that case, I'd find the defendant not guilty. It's built entirely on circumstantial evidence and hope.

If it makes you feel better to hope an unproven player is coveted that much and we've got a diamond in the rough, by all means feel that way.

I'm not wired that way and I never will be. I can't think detours around something. I've got to figure out how to cross the obstruction.

1 source has this rumor. He swears by it. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find that compelling evidence of anything. A poster here swears we offered a 2004 2nd round pick for Ty Law too. Yet when I go deeper and ask the club and reporters about it the answer is the same, "it never happened and wasn't discussed."

Who is Mosley's source? Why doesn't JJT, Randy Galloway, Spags, Goose, Norm or any other media figure have access to this source?

The math isn't adding up. You ask me to draw a conclusion that Romo must be better than I think, but you're not drawing the conclusion that maybe this rumor has no foundation.

The fact is neither of us know the truth at this point and I for one would love to know. If it is true, I'm gonna wonder why we turned it down. That's just how my synapses fire.

[ABQCOWBOY]

3. Parcells comments to the Seattle media, speaking of Romo. I'll paraphrase, but when asked about his QBs (specifically Bledsoe and Henson, if I remember correctly), Parcells answered their question, and continued with "I've got another one down here that's pretty good, that you guys don't know about." It went overlooked mostly, but it's kind of stuck with me.


To be fair, Parcells did the same thing with Henson in an interview he did with the GB media. I don't know how telling this tactic might be, in relation to Parcells.

[Hostile]

Naturally he leaves without even trying to back up his "facts."


Typical.

[superpunk]

If I were on a jury and you said "the Prosecution rests" after presenting that case, I'd find the defendant not guilty. It's built entirely on circumstantial evidence and hope.

If it makes you feel better to hope an unproven player is coveted that much and we've got a diamond in the rough, by all means feel that way.

I'm not wired that way and I never will be. I can't think detours around something. I've got to figure out how to cross the obstruction.

1 source has this rumor. He swears by it. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find that compelling evidence of anything. A poster here swears we offered a 2004 2nd round pick for Ty Law too. Yet when I go deeper and ask the club and reporters about it the answer is the same, "it never happened and wasn't discussed."

Who is Mosley's source? Why doesn't JJT, Randy Galloway, Spags, Goose, Norm or any other media figure have access to this source?

The math isn't adding up. You ask me to draw a conclusion that Romo must be better than I think, but you're not drawing the conclusion that maybe this rumor has no foundation.

The fact is neither of us know the truth at this point and I for one would love to know. If it is true, I'm gonna wonder why we turned it down. That's just how my synapses fire.

This whole discussion is based on that rumor, yes, but I mentioned other reasons, as well. I'm generally optimistic about alot of things, and I have no reason to be anything but optimistic about Romo, particularly IF this report is true. (If it's not, the whole discussion is moot, and all I have to go on is Romo's position on the depth chart. Not much, I know, but better than nothing.)And so, I have to conclude that Parcells like Romo, and knows that trading away your backup mid-season is not a good move, especially when you're sitting pretty for a playoff spot. In that case, it makes sense to turn the offer down, at least to me. Who know's what you're gonna get from that third rounder? At least with Romo, Parcells knows (or has a good idea) of what he has.

[Hostile]

This whole discussion is based on that rumor, yes, but I mentioned other reasons, as well. I'm generally optimistic about alot of things, and I have no reason to be anything but optimistic about Romo, particularly IF this report is true. (If it's not, the whole discussion is moot, and all I have to go on is Romo's position on the depth chart. Not much, I know, but better than nothing.)And so, I have to conclude that Parcells like Romo, and knows that trading away your backup mid-season is not a good move, especially when you're sitting pretty for a playoff spot. In that case, it makes sense to turn the offer down, at least to me. Who know's what you're gonna get from that third rounder? At least with Romo, Parcells knows (or has a good idea) of what he has.So, by this explanation Philadelphia was actually foolish to trade away AJ Feeley?

[superpunk]

To be fair, Parcells did the same thing with Henson in an interview he did with the GB media. I don't know how telling this tactic might be, in relation to Parcells.

I don't suppose there's any link on that? Seems too long ago to have one, I guess. I'll take your word for it. In all honesty, I hope both of them tear it up, here or otherwise. I'm dying to have a QB on this team, who's actually going to be here long enough for me to purchase a jersey. Bledsoe's fine for now, and I think he'll do some good things for us yet, but I like most people, want that franchise guy. If one of these fellas fits the bill, I love it. If we need to keep searching -- so be it.

[superpunk]

So, by this explanation Philadelphia was actually foolish to trade away AJ Feeley?

Well, that happened in the offseason, right? So, Philly was in no danger of losing Donovan in the middle of a playoff race. The Eagles also have Detmer on the roster, who has had success off the bench. I see where you're going, but the situations are more than a bit different, don'tcha think?

[RCowboyFan]

I don't suppose there's any link on that? Seems too long ago to have one, I guess. I'll take your word for it. In all honesty, I hope both of them tear it up, here or otherwise. I'm dying to have a QB on this team, who's actually going to be here long enough for me to purchase a jersey. Bledsoe's fine for now, and I think he'll do some good things for us yet, but I like most people, want that franchise guy. If one of these fellas fits the bill, I love it. If we need to keep searching -- so be it.

He said that about Henson during the 2004 season. I don't remember exact quote, but something to the effect that he was doing very well in practice and that his Defense was impressed with what Henson was showing in Practice or something to that effect.

Remember during one of his last PCs, at the end 2004 season, when he moved Henson to no. 2 spot, he said, Henson had his best practice week so far and hence the promotion over Romo that week.

Anyway, either way, personally, like I said, I would like if Romo turned out to be the guy to take COwboys to promised land. Honestly with all this rumors about, my hopes about him are starting to creep up, and last time I did that about QBs, that didn't show much on the field but went by the talk were Quincy and Chad Hutchinson. So I am like Twice bitten, thrice shy now :D

[Hostile]

Well, that happened in the offseason, right? So, Philly was in no danger of losing Donovan in the middle of a playoff race. The Eagles also have Detmer on the roster, who has had success off the bench. I see where you're going, but the situations are more than a bit different, don'tcha think?Actually I don't agree. Why set an artificial limitation on the trade? You have no proof that was the rationale behind taking it or in our case turning it down. Piling on speculation upon speculation doesn't clear the fog up. You just get higher piles.

[superpunk]

Actually I don't agree. Why set an artificial limitation on the trade? You have no proof that was the rationale behind taking it or in our case turning it down. Piling on speculation upon speculation doesn't clear the fog up. You just get higher piles.

Who's speculating? I just pointed out how different the situations were. Making a trade in the offseason is completely different than making one in the middle of a playoff race. You can't compare the two situations without taking that into account.

[superpunk]

Anyway, either way, personally, like I said, I would like if Romo turned out to be the guy to take COwboys to promised land. Honestly with all this rumors about, my hopes about him are starting to creep up, and last time I did that about QBs, that didn't show much on the field but went by the talk were Quincy and Chad Hutchinson. So I am like Twice bitten, thrice shy now :D

Exactly. Except for the Q-Hutch example. I hated both of them. When I saw us run the option in the preseason, I wanted to eat my own head.

[Hostile]

Who's speculating? I just pointed out how different the situations were. Making a trade in the offseason is completely different than making one in the middle of a playoff race. You can't compare the two situations without taking that into account.Okay.

I guess.

To me, a trade is a trade is a trade. This just doesn't make sense. Sorry.

[superpunk]

Okay.

I guess.

To me, a trade is a trade is a trade. This just doesn't make sense. Sorry.

When are you taking more risk in the trade?

In the middle of the season, when your starter could go down at any minute, leaving you without your backup, AND you're in the middle of a playoff race?

or....

In the offseason, when there is no danger of losing your starting QB before the next weeks game, and you have the entire offseason to replace your backup?

The timing makes a huge difference, all other factors aside.

[Hostile]

When are you taking more risk in the trade?

In the middle of the season, when your starter could go down at any minute, leaving you without your backup, AND you're in the middle of a playoff race?

or....

In the offseason, when there is no danger of losing your starting QB before the next weeks game, and you have the entire offseason to replace your backup?

The timing makes a huge difference, all other factors aside.Your starter could go down in a car wreck.

I just don't see this.

[RCowboyFan]

Exactly. Except for the Q-Hutch example. I hated both of them. When I saw us run the option in the preseason, I wanted to eat my own head.

Hmm.... now I am intrigued to as to, how you would go accomplishing that :D

[superpunk]

Your starter could go down in a car wreck.

And you'd have the entire offseason to address that problem - not just a week between games. You would also, not be in the middle of a playoff race.

[superpunk]

Hmm.... now I am intrigued to as to, how you would go accomplishing that :D

I can't fully explain it, but it's part of a ritual involving pirate weasels and chainsaws. It's complicated.

[Hostile]

And you'd have the entire offseason to address that problem - not just a week between games. You would also, not be in the middle of a playoff race.You assume you have the whole off season. Car wrecks only happen in January or February I guess.

[RCowboyFan]

Your starter could go down in a car wreck.

I just don't see this.


I think I kind of see that, Hos. Because, again, I guess we have assume this, that they think right now, or that point in 2005, Romo was a very capable backup, who could start for few games.

So I would say, if thats the case, it makes sense they might have declined the offer for trade, if it is true that they were indeed offered, just in case, Bledsoe had another NE type episode, if they thought Henson wasn't ready yet.

Now other hand, right now, they might be more willing to trade Romo, if they think Henson now, has improved from week 12 or week whatever that trade offered for Romo, to be able to backup in the offseason.

Even then, I do see your point. Unless TC passes, I guess that would be difficult, to assume Henson can be backup or get another one FA as good as Romo, if they think Romo was too good for trade for 3rd round pick. So if they thought highly of him then, then I don't see how they would be ready to trade him, even for NO 2nd round pick, even if Payton were to try for that.

Now if NO, tries to offer their 1st round pick, the original one, thats no brainer, heck we could probably throw in Henson as bonus :D

[Doomsday101]

But if our future qb is on this team, doesn't that mean, no future at all.

No it would mean one of the two could actually go out and play to a high standard. Again wins are team accomplishments but the individual performance and how he executes his job is a big help. Bledsoe thus far as been the closest thing to that since Troy Aikman so that is at least 1 decent thing we have going for us.

[superpunk]

You assume you have the whole off season. Car wrecks only happen in January or February I guess.

Keep harping the car accident example, LOL. Fact is, these non-football related injuries are few and far between. Makes no sense to do business with that in the back of your mind. QBs go down ALL the time on the field, and in alot of cases it ruins your season. If Parcells thinks Romo's a capable backup - as it seems - why trade away your backup plan in the middle of a playoff race? No such condition exists in the offseason.

[Hostile]

I think I kind of see that, Hos. Because, again, I guess we have assume this, that they think right now, or that point in 2005, Romo was a very capable backup, who could start for few games.

So I would say, if thats the case, it makes sense they might have declined the offer for trade, if it is true that they were indeed offered, just in case, Bledsoe had another NE type episode, if they thought Henson wasn't ready yet.

Now other hand, right now, they might be more willing to trade Romo, if they think Henson now, has improved from week 12 or week whatever that trade offered for Romo, to be able to backup in the offseason.

Even then, I do see your point. Unless TC passes, I guess that would be difficult, to assume Henson can be backup or get another one FA as good as Romo, if they think Romo was too good for trade for 3rd round pick. So if they thought highly of him then, then I don't see how they would be ready to trade him, even for NO 2nd round pick, even if Payton were to try for that.

Now if NO, tries to offer their 1st round pick, the original one, thats no brainer, heck we could probably throw in Henson as bonus :DOh trust me, I get that part. I also get that you have to assume there really was a trade offer made and you have to assume the coaches feel this way and you have to assume the player is that good and you have to assume Payton will make a better offer for him.

A whole lotta assuming going on.

[RCowboyFan]

Oh trust me, I get that part. I also get that you have to assume there really was a trade offer made and you have to assume the coaches feel this way and you have to assume the player is that good and you have to assume Payton will make a better offer for him.

A whole lotta assuming going on.

And thats bottom line :D

[Hostile]

Keep harping the car accident example, LOL. Fact is, these non-football related injuries are few and far between. Makes no sense to do business with that in the back of your mind. QBs go down ALL the time on the field, and in alot of cases it ruins your season. If Parcells thinks Romo's a capable backup - as it seems - why trade away your backup plan in the middle of a playoff race? No such condition exists in the offseason.It doesn't make any sense to me to assume my QB will go down and I'll need both my backups but wait, I won't be able to find a 2nd backup because I traded 1 away.

[superpunk]

It doesn't make any sense to me to assume my QB will go down and I'll need both my backups but wait, I won't be able to find a 2nd backup because I traded 1 away.

Well, if it happened in the offseason, you'd probably be going after a starter, not a back up......so, now I'm lost.

[wileedog]

It doesn't make any sense to me to assume my QB will go down and I'll need both my backups but wait, I won't be able to find a 2nd backup because I traded 1 away.

But you're assuming that the coaching staff saw Henson as a capable backup at the time. If not, then trading Romo is putting the season in jeapordy.

Not worth it for a 3rd IMO.

[Hostile]

But you're assuming that the coaching staff saw Henson as a capable backup at the time. If not, then trading Romo is putting the season in jeapordy.

Not worth it for a 3rd IMO.Uh, no I'm not.

I'm not even convinced there ever was a trade offer.

[Hostile]

Well, if it happened in the offseason, you'd probably be going after a starter, not a back up......so, now I'm lost.Good because I was lonely.

:grin:

[superpunk]

Good because I was lonely.

:grin:

Well, thanks for bringing the discussion to a screeching halt......

TO to Dallas, anyone?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Uh, no I'm not.

I'm not even convinced there ever was a trade offer.

So are you convinced that Mosely is making it all up or flat out lying?

[Hostile]

So are you convinced that Mosely is making it all up or flat out lying?How could I be? If my mind isn't made up on it, then it means I'm not set on either option.

Doesn't it?

[Hostile]

Well, thanks for bringing the discussion to a screeching halt......

TO to Dallas, anyone?Sorry, had to clean Dorritos off my monitor.

[BrAinPaiNt]

How could I be? If my mind isn't made up on it, then it means I'm not set on either option.

Doesn't it?

That is what I am trying to figure out here...but it sounds like you are leaning towards he made it up or he is lying.

I am just curious.

Do you think he is wrong aka made it up or lying, or do you think it is legit?

[Hostile]

That is what I am trying to figure out here...but it sounds like you are leaning towards he made it up or he is lying.

I am just curious.

Do you think he is wrong aka made it up or lying, or do you think it is legit?I haven't got the foggiest clue one way or the other.

Another media member (I think it was JJT) had a blog saying there was no substance to it. No other media source references this trade offer for the Jets or the Cowboys.

What weighs more in your scales?

I'd love to know the truth. It sure seems like a bunch of folks assume Mosley is on the level. Based on what? Until I see some evidence I just think all of this is a lot to assume.

I mean let's be real here. You're wanting me to actually believe with no doubts in my mind at all that practices at Valley Ranch have removed all doubts about Tony Romo's ability to QB in a live NFL game with bullets flying. So confident in fact that though there are veteran QB options and rookie QB options that could replace Tony Romo if you did trade him, none of them would be near as good. Yet, this amazing example of QB future did not take a snap in 2005.

BP, forgive my skepticism if it makes you feel I'm disloyal to the team, but why wouldn't I have doubts?

My gosh this is a lot to assume. Or do you disagree? Is this really easy to accept for you?

I throw out the reminder as well that Tony Romo hinted they cosidered him to NFLE too and he declined.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I haven't got the foggiest clue one way or the other.

Another media member (I think it was JJT) had a blog saying there was no substance to it. No other media source references this trade offer for the Jets or the Cowboys.

What weighs more in your scales?

I'd love to know the truth. It sure seems like a bunch of folks assume Mosley is on the level. Based on what? Until I see some evidence I just think all of this is a lot to assume.

I mean let's be real here. You're wanting me to actually believe with no doubts in my mind at all that practices at Valley Ranch have removed all doubts about Tony Romo's ability to QB in a live NFL game with bullets flying. So confident in fact that though there are veteran QB options and rookie QB options that could replace Tony Romo if you did trade him, none of them would be near as good. Yet, this amazing example of QB future did not take a snap in 2005.

BP, forgive my skepticism if it makes you feel I'm disloyal to the team, but why wouldn't I have doubts?

My gosh this is a lot to assume. Or do you disagree? Is this really easy to accept for you?

I throw out the reminder as well that Tony Romo hinted they cosidered him to NFLE too and he declined.

I was just asking a simple question here.

This is not a court hearing.

I was just curious if you believed him or not and it appears you do not so that was all I was asking.

Everything on this forum does not have to be some black helicopter evil plan waiting in the background....although there are plenty of those floating around...Remember I am not in the bledsoe/henson/romo love/hate bandwagon so either way, yes or no makes no difference to me in that aspect.

I just was curious.

[Hostile]

I was just asking a simple question here.

This is not a court hearing.

I was just curious if you believed him or not and it appears you do not so that was all I was asking.

Everything on this forum does not have to be some black helicopter evil plan waiting in the background....although there are plenty of those floating around...Remember I am not in the bledsoe/henson/romo love/hate bandwagon so either way, yes or no makes no difference to me in that aspect.

I just was curious.Again, I am not saying I believe him or I don't. That is the point. I don't know. I won't claim to know.

It seems like an awful lot to assume to me. If that makes you think I don't believe him, by all means go right ahead. I won't try and stop you. I could deny it all day and it won't get me anywhere.

I jumped in because the more compelling evidence appears to go against the grain. That is my only reason for any interest in this at all.

[Kangaroo]

If we passed down a 3rd for Romo its a bad decision. Yes, Romo might become something, but I suspect its not likely to be here. Romo isn't going to get snaps unless Bledsoe goes down, and if Bledsoe goes down I think we probably take a look at Henson as opposed to Romo.

Come on we passed on 2 5th round picks for Bryant from the Chiefs and settled for Morgan instead :bang2:.

Man I wonder about the front office at times

[joseephuss]

Don't talk about car wrecks and such, you will jinx someone. Especially since Bledsoe enjoys riding his Harley and does it sans helmet.

[Bob Sacamano]

1. Whether you agree with all that they write or not, JJT and Matt Mosely have proven themselves to be very fan friendly as both of them now have responded to email inquiries of mine. JJT on more than one occasion. That is classy, and quite frankly, refreshing. Thank you Matt.

2. I think Cowboys fans need to remember this and if Tony Romo washes out ask why we passed on a 3rd round pick from a bad team (which gets closer to a 2nd round selection), for a guy who never made it with us. If Romo makes it, then a good decision, but if Romo doesn't, that is not an insignificant pick to turn down.

I'll add #3, which I think is very important, that Dallas is developing the future at QB, which many on here are questioning, and even labeling Bill an imcompetent buffoon, although not in those certain words :)

ladies and gents, we're getting the future QB prepped, whether it be Romo or Henson, and Nors, feel free to crow all you want, even though it's unwarranted and you probably already have

[Bob Sacamano]

Same with Romo. We'll end up with nothing.

:rolleyes:

[Bob Sacamano]

If we passed down a 3rd for Romo its a bad decision. Yes, Romo might become something, but I suspect its not likely to be here. Romo isn't going to get snaps unless Bledsoe goes down, and if Bledsoe goes down I think we probably take a look at Henson as opposed to Romo.

Bledsoe is only going to be here for 2 more years...

[Bob Sacamano]

Why open that can of worms again. We all know the difference.

One was projected to be a #1 draft pick had he stayed in College instead of playing baseball, the other was undrafted.

One played at Michigan and won Big Ten Honors at QB, the other played at a division 1AA school.

One is prototypical in size and skills, the other isn't.

There is your explanation.

where you come from has no bearing on NFL GMs and Scouts minds, that's why Henson got a 3rd, although his experience and time away from the game, didn't warrant it, and same with Romo

obviously NFL personnel see something in the 2 QBs, that in itself means alot, and I'm glad both are on our roster

[Bob Sacamano]

But if Payton loves him, who knows, maybe we can get a 2nd for him.

I dont' think Romo is going anywhere, no NFL team holds out on an unknown commodity, even Feely played 6 or 8 games in the NFL, just hoping that someone, somewhere, offers better compensation...

[Bob Sacamano]

So the only reasonable explanation is he thinks he is better than what he could get with a third round choice or simply was not comfortable going the rest of the year with Henson as a backup. Payton's interest or lack thereof now is irrelevant.

that and he's hoping that 1 of the 2, Romo or Henson, develops into this franchise's future QB

[Bob Sacamano]

And yet the man who sees him in practice, every day, and knows more about him than the mere fact that he's a 1AA QB, thought it was a good idea. How does the fact that the Jets were even offering a third round pick, for this paltry 1AA QB, NOT encourage you? I know you're in love with Henson, but Romo's obviously got something. The fact that other NFL teams are offering first day draft picks, for this 1AA QB who has never thrown a pass and is 26 years old, should tell you something about how actual professionals feel about his ability. The fact that such a high price was turned down, by the man who knows his abilities better than anyone else, should tell you even more.

:hammer:

[Bob Sacamano]

And who says it will work out for us by keeping him?

it's better to hope he succeeds than pretty much ruling him out with no basis or factual evidence, other than the age, old yarn, "well he's only a UFA"

[aznhalf]

Assuming the story is true, this just shows me that we had a total lack of confidence in Henson as the backup. We were still in the hunt, and Romo could step in and keep us in contention (at least in the managements eyes)if Bledsoe went down.

[Bob Sacamano]

Letting him go for a pick that could turn out to be anything, is more of a risk, don't you think?

exactly, a draft pick has as much chance of panning out as ROmo

50/50

[Bob Sacamano]

he's coveted by at least one other team, apparently.

make that another team, NO, Payton loves this guy

3 NFL teams against 2 armchair GMs, hmmm, who to side with....

[superpunk]

make that another team, NO, Payton loves this guy

3 NFL teams against 2 armchair GMs, hmmm, who to side with....

I don't know that Payton loves him. I;m sure that, were I in payton's shoes, as QB coach, I would have nothing but glowing praise for my players while with the team. Whether he still feels the same, remains to be seen.

[Bob Sacamano]

Don't say New Orleans because you are basically talking about his buddy Sean Payton who equates to Dallas Cowboys.

Payton is the HC of the New Orlean Saints, not the Cowboys, his affiliation with us ended when he got that HC job, and he covets Romo, so that's the Jets and Saints, and the Jets by the way, don't have a starting QB

[Bob Sacamano]

Very good points. We could have used that 3rd pick to fix our o-line.

how do we know that Oline pick has a greater chance of helping our team than Romo? other than speculation

[Bob Sacamano]

This is not about Drew Henson, this is about WHY the Cowboys (if the report is true) would have ever turned down what turned out to be the 4th pick of the 3rd round, for a 26 year old player who has never thrown an NFL regular season pass, and who was undrafted, and who doesn't have great natural abilities, and who played division 1AA football? THAT is the question.

BECAUSE DALLAS IS TRYING TO FIND A FUTURE QB!!!

[Bob Sacamano]

This has nothing to do with Romo's future potential, or even Henson's for that matter, or for relative trade values. Its called you need a back-up QB in this league, and Henson is not there yet.

Bledsoe has been a durable starting QB in this league, so i think it has a little more to do with just needing a backup, since it was so late in the year, they could have traded Romo, received a 3rd, and signed a veteran such as Quincy Carter if they were so worried about insurance with only 5 games remaining...

[Bob Sacamano]

Anyway, BP's track record here with Dallas doesn't exactly bat 100%. If he was so good at evaluating talent, he should do more better with his all his failed 2nd round OL talent. Heck for that matter all the OL he brought have been failures upto this point, with Pettiti still to be determined. His only success rate has been RBs. Remember he touted Blade and Stewart his 1st and 2nd years, and they turn out to be busts. Jacob Rogers a monumental bust. Anyway point is, there is not sollid Evidence that BP/staff know everytime what they are doing or they are evaluating talent very well.

look at half of our roster, all players BP brought in, I say he's doing a fair job of evaluating talent

[superpunk]

BECAUSE DALLAS IS TRYING TO FIND A FUTURE QB!!!

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7376/calmdown6cn.gif

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know that Payton loves him. I;m sure that, were I in payton's shoes, as QB coach, I would have nothing but glowing praise for my players while with the team. Whether he still feels the same, remains to be seen.

I have never seen a coach feel lesser about a player because he switched area codes, there's a reason Payton fell in love with ROmo in the 1st place, and NFL coaches don't fall in love with just "moxie" :)

[superpunk]

I have never seen a coach feel lesser about a player because he switched area codes, there's a reason Payton fell in love with ROmo in the 1st place, and NFL coaches don't fall in love with just "moxie" :)

I'm not saying he doesn't really like him, I just don't know whether he would say the exact same thing, now that he's not his coach.

[Hostile]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7376/calmdown6cn.gif:lmao2:

I like that one.

[Doomsday101]

it's better to hope he succeeds than pretty much ruling him out with no basis or factual evidence, other than the age, old yarn, "well he's only a UFA"

I hope the best for Romo but I would have said the same thing about most players who have nothing to show for their 1st 4 years in the league and then having some team wanting to give us a 3rd for that unproven player. The best point I have seen in this thread thus far is if an offer was made during the season and it would not have been wise to trade your backup QB. If the same offer was made today I'm not so sure the Cowboys would turn it down.

[BrAinPaiNt]

:lmao2:

I like that one.

Agreed I got a good chuckle out of that one.