Your reasons why you think TO would or wouldn't work for Dallas in 2006?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Not if you are for or against it. Just honestly, do you think TO would work with Dallas? Drop your memories of him stomping on the star, drop the inflammatory ten second sound bites that ESPN shows the world, and think of TO as the football player, and the realities of his situation now that he's getting older.

I think it would work, and here's why:

TO didn't cause any problems his first year in Philly.

He didn't cause any problems in his early years in San Fran.

The reason? No contract disputes!

Is TO a jerk? Yes. Is TO a narcissist? You betcha! (As well as a lot of players I might add.)

But... Is he a good football player who is still a team player? Yes. He blocks with the best of 'em, he plays hurt, he goes up the middle, he has fire on the sidelines and encourages the fans to cheer.

I think TO could work the same way Keyshawn worked. The same crap that happened to TO also happened to Keyshawn, only he got into it with his coach instead of his QB. Some of you who are on TO because of his behavior towards McNabb seem to forget how much of a punk Key was to Jon Gruden. I would even go so far as to say that acting that way towards your coach is a hell of a lot worse than doing it to a player, even if it is the QB.

Here's the thing, TO probably realizes this is his last big contract ever. Just like Key. JJT even wrote in one of his recent articles that our receivers are underpaid. Yet, you don't hear anything from Key. Key realizes this is the end. TO does too. You give TO a satisfying contract and he'll play his heart out for the rest of his career. You're not going to see a 36 year old receiver demand more money. AND... even if you don't give him much of a signing bonus contract because the market doesn't demand it, he will shut up for at least one year so that he can get the contract he lost out on in Philly.

For at least one year, I don't see how you can lose with TO. The only thing that could possibly set him off would be the team falling apart and losing, and in that case, you have a hell of a lot more to worry about than your spoiled franchise receiver. Parcells is probably out of here too if that happens. TO is the least of our worries.

I know the memory of the star stompin' hurts, but you will not find a franchise receiver like this in free agency. You will not find him this cheap. And you will not find a more ideal situation to get a problem child. Key has to be one of the most predictable receivers in the NFL because he's so slow, and only slower with age. You won't get anything other than a quick curl or out route and see him try to out-muscle his defender. If defenses are worried about Glenn, they put another man on him, get a little physical, and he usually disappears. The Cowboys need a receiver like TO if they are really going for it all next year. Just my two cents.

[1fisher]

blah, blah, blah.......... here we go agian for the 139th time......... TO = :ralph: :ralph:

:D

[jack2]

He's an ***!, i usually prefer to like my football heroes, it's kinda hard to root for someone u dislike even if he's on ur team! Just say NO!

[Yeagermeister]

blah, blah, blah.......... here we go agian for the 139th time......... TO = :ralph: :ralph:

:D
:hammer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Yeagermeister/GoEnglish_com_BeatADeadHorse.gif

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I said "Yes" - that TO would work out in Dallas in 2006 - because he has worked out in his first year with other teams in the past. 2006 would effectively be his first year in Dallas. But if we do get him, it's post-2006 that I'm more worried about. The question shouldn't be "Can TO work out in 2006?", it should be "Can TO work out - long term - bryond 2006?". That I'm not so sure of.

AF

[DBoys]

I have no idea to be honest. If it can be done my money is on Tuna. Good news is we will find out Friday. Jerruh will be fast on the players we want just like last year.

[ravidubey]

Of course he would work. Dallas doesn't have $100 million tied up in one player like Philly does and can thus afford to pay T.O. News flash: All TO wants is to win, be a major contributer to winning, and to be paid what he's worth.

SF stopped throwing him the ball and Philly didn't pay him what he was worth-- ergo problems. Never once did T.O. hold out of a practice (of his own accord) or give less than 110% in games.

Football is a team sport, and the notion of the $100 million franchise QB will IMO soon become extinct. No team has won the Superbowl since paying its QB that kind of money. Teams that pay out that kind of money to one or two players help create a class hierarchy in the locker room. Things fall apart when those players (COUGH)KearseandMcNabb(COUGH) don't perform.

[juice28]

Will he work out in 2006?YES. Past 2006? NO. Why? The man is just plumb crazy. He'll do his show and dance to improve his image the first year. After that, he's like your spouse after marriage.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Won't work. Why? Because he's TO.

Not Rocket Science guys.

[chinch]

short, incentive laden contract would work:
* Tuna
* NFC East motivation - show up Donny/Eagles
* $ Last chance motivation - last chance to hop on the money train.
* we're a legitimate superbowl contender (imho same shot as anyone in NFC)
* few options - most contenders don't want him / can't handle him
* if you saw him on Punk'd it showed a different side of him
* endorsement $$$ / big stage motivation - dallas is "america's team" unlike ATL with no real national endorsement person. opens doors to other revenues.


now, there are only a few clubs that could handle TO but we're DEFINATELY one of them. when Tuna steps down TO leaves the next year if he acts up. Not a biggie.

[TruBlueCowboy]

You folks that are voting no still aren't giving any good reasons yet except that ya don't like the guy. I want to hear how you're sure he'll end up like he did with the Eagles.

[juice28]

You folks that are voting no still aren't giving any good reasons yet except that ya don't like the guy. I want to hear how you're sure he'll end up like he did with the Eagles.


I voted yes, but I have plenty of reasons that he will not work too much longer after 2006. But first let me ask T.O. dreamers this: Do you actually think T.O will retire in Big D? And if not, do you actually think he's going to leave this organization quietly?

[Doomsday101]

You folks that are voting no still aren't giving any good reasons yet except that ya don't like the guy. I want to hear how you're sure he'll end up like he did with the Eagles.

He did the same in San Fran he calls out his QB to the media he did it with Garcia and he did it with McNabb. TO can't keep his mouth shut he feels the need to air out the dirty laundry to the media. We don't need that type of crud going on in Dallas. TO is all about TO and does not give a rats ars about anyone or anything and as long as Football is a TEAM sport Dallas does not need him.

[kingwhicker]

The Turd and The Tuna- sounds like an excellent recipe for Tuna Salad.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I voted yes, but I have plenty of reasons that he will not work too much longer after 2006. But first let me ask T.O. dreamers this: Do you actually think T.O will retire in Big D? And if not, do you actually think he's going to leave this organization quietly?

I can't answer that. Like my first post, all I can guarantee is 2006 will be quiet. That's why I asked only about 2006 in the poll. TO is going to shut up for one year if for no other reason than to get one more big contract, or prove all his naysayers wrong. After that it's anybody's guess but I think the Cowboys need to approach the offseason with a win now mentality with older players like Bledsoe, Glenn, Key, Allen, Rivera making up most of the key positions on the offense, and barely and promising young backups in the wings to replace them.

[TruBlueCowboy]

He did the same in San Fran he calls out his QB to the media he did it with Garcia and he did it with McNabb. TO can't keep his mouth shut he feels the need to air out the dirty laundry to the media. We don't need that type of crud going on in Dallas. TO is all about TO and does not give a rats ars about anyone or anything and as long as Football is a TEAM sport Dallas does not need him.

I won't disagree with ya, but like I said, for just one year, I think it would work. After that, we may see a return to his old patterns.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You folks that are voting no still aren't giving any good reasons yet except that ya don't like the guy. I want to hear how you're sure he'll end up like he did with the Eagles.

TO will not be happy unless he's getting 80% of the throws and winning all the time. In Dallas, we will be doing neither. It's not about money, per say. Don't get me wrong, when he isn't getting what he wants, then it's made to be about money but it's really about other things. This player is self centered to the point of inbalance. It doesn't matter what you do, it will never be right because he is not right. Eventually, it will end up breaking downt he team chemistry. I will also go on record right now as saying that Owens will never come for a short, incentive based contract. He will demand a large signing bonus and want at least 5 years. Signing this player is a mistake IMO.

[juice28]

I can't answer that. Like my first post, all I can guarantee is 2006 will be quiet. That's why I asked only about 2006 in the poll. TO is going to shut up for one year if for no other reason than to get one more big contract, or prove all his naysayers wrong. After that it's anybody's guess but I think the Cowboys need to approach the offseason with a win now mentality with older players like Bledsoe, Glenn, Key, Allen, Rivera making up most of the key positions on the offense, and barely and promising young backups in the wings to replace them.

O.K. then. We're speaking the same language. IF we get T.O., I want to go on record for saying he will be the hands down best reciever in the league. But I also guarantee that the first minute something goes wrong, T.O. goes with it.

[Yeagermeister]

Originally Posted by TruBlueCowboy
You folks that are voting no still aren't giving any good reasons yet except that ya don't like the guy. I want to hear how you're sure he'll end up like he did with the Eagles

Look back at any of the other 3 billion threads about this and you'll see our reasons.

[TonyS]

TO will not be happy unless he's getting 80% of the throws and winning all the time. In Dallas, we will be doing neither. It's not about money, per say. Don't get me wrong, when he isn't getting what he wants, then it's made to be about money but it's really about other things. This player is self centered to the point of inbalance. It doesn't matter what you do, it will never be right because he is not right. Eventually, it will end up breaking downt he team chemistry. I will also go on record right now as saying that Owens will never come for a short, incentive based contract. He will demand a large signing bonus and want at least 5 years. Signing this player is a mistake IMO.

Spot on. TO will be happy....until he isn't and then he will tell the world about it. He's done it EVERY TIME.

"Coach Parcells called me Leon once and now I want a huge contract or I want out. And Drew, he never throws me the ball. I'm a team player, but I can't stand people calling me names and not throwing me the ball. I deserve respect." [Insert sound of Cowboys 2006-2007 seasons blowing up.]

If anyone believes we can win w/out TO, why would you take the chance that he would implode the team like he has a history of doing???

[slick325]

Won't work because he and Keyshawn couldn't co-exist. Key sees himself as equal to T.O. talentwise and would never accept a role as the 3rd best WR on this roster.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Won't work because he and Keyshawn couldn't co-exist. Key sees himself as equal to T.O. talentwise and would never accept a role as the 3rd best WR on this roster.

Hate to say it but I'm going with the assumption that we cut Key if we sign TO.

[Doomsday101]

I won't disagree with ya, but like I said, for just one year, I think it would work. After that, we may see a return to his old patterns.

As long as things go smooth but you get a bump in the road and TO goes off and he does not just do it behind closed doors he starts running his mouth to any media person who will listen to him and once this garbage gets out the media will see to it that the story does not die down. Even year 1 with the Eagles had him and McNabb with problems or did you forget when McNabb walked away from a complaining TO? A week later the two try and show the media there was no issue both guys started putting on a show on the sideline walking away from each other. TO is just not worth the headache and does not guaranteed that he will get this club to the SB. The risk involved is a split team and TO manage very well to split teams and divided teams normally do not win games.

[HDC]

TO tears apart the teams he is part of. He destroys unity. Team unity is the crucial element of a Parcells team.

[slick325]

Hate to say it but I'm going with the assumption that we cut Key if we sign TO.

If that's the case, it would work but only short term. One year with T.O. and then draft a WR next season in the 1st round. Hopefully the 2007 WR draft class would be better than this years crop.

[chinch]

I voted yes, but I have plenty of reasons that he will not work too much longer after 2006. But first let me ask T.O. dreamers this: Do you actually think T.O will retire in Big D? And if not, do you actually think he's going to leave this organization quietly?
who cares?

[1fisher]

Look back at any of the other 3 billion threads about this and you'll see our reasons.



:muttley:

[1fisher]

parcells is not known for "airing it out"... how many times the last few years have you seen it? Two or three? He likes to run the ball and you know TO would be in his ear wanting the ball thrown his way. Who are you going to cut if you bring him in?

Keyshawn= no
Glenn = no
Crayton= no
witten= no

You would have to get rid of one of these and I just don't think Parcells does that!

I hope he signs with someone else soon so this madness will stop!:bang2: :bang2:

[Zippy Speedster]

Lets not kid ourselves, whether he comes here or wherever, he's going to be getting a big chunk of change right off the bat.

I think he wants no less then and I think he gets a 5-7 year deal wherever he ends up. $7m range for 2006 with his signing bonus and incentives included. That's my guess atleast.

They'll put yearly termination/escape clauses within the contract. That's how the team signing him will protect themselves. I'd imagine it'd be an option for either party to get out after each year if they wanted.

Owens is prime real estate for any team brave enough to take that chance on him, he's knows it and everyone knows it. It's not going to come cheap. This guy could be the reason for the next super bowl champ. I've totally changed my opinion on this situation, no discounts coming for whomever. TO won't get what he's actually worth, but he'll get a helluva lot more then most think he's worth, and it'll be in the upper echelon of WRs paid.

- - -

As for the actual question---YES I do think he would work out here in Dallas. One of only a small handful of teams I could actually see him working out on. The guy is like Parcells in one aspect, each at this one point in their career where the only place they really want to perform is on the "BIG STAGE". The Home of the Star is the biggest stage of them all as far as the NFL goes. Bill knows this, that's one of the reasons why he came here, and so far been happier then he's seemed in years while coaching. I think TO also already knows this to. For all intents and purposes, his coming out party was the disgracing of our star. He already chose us YEARS ago! We're the best. We're the biggest. We're the brightest. He chose us. He's always been on the outside looking in. Think about it, he's not a "goodguy" Jerry Rice, he's a "badguy" Michael Irvin! Last kid picked on the playground (drafted by 49ers). Subbing on the girls team (picked up by the eagles). The guy has always wanted to be a Cowboy--of course he'll work out here!! Your guess is as good as mine.

[1fisher]

Lets not kid ourselves, whether he comes here or wherever, he's going to be getting a big chunk of change right off the bat.

I think he wants no less then and I think he gets a 5-7 year deal wherever he ends up. $7m range for 2006 with his signing bonus and incentives included. That's my guess atleast.

They'll put yearly termination/escape clauses within the contract. That's how the team signing him will protect themselves. I'd imagine it'd be an option for either party to get out after each year if they wanted.

Owens is prime real estate for any team brave enough to take that chance on him, he's knows it and everyone knows it. It's not going to come cheap. This guy could be the reason for the next super bowl champ. I've totally changed my opinion on this situation, no discounts coming for whomever. TO won't get what he's actually worth, but he'll get a helluva lot more then most think he's worth, and it'll be in the upper echelon of WRs paid.

- - -

As for the actual question---YES I do think he would work out here in Dallas. One of only a small handful of teams I could actually see him working out on. The guy is like Parcells in one aspect, each at this one point in their career where the only place they really want to perform is on the "BIG STAGE". The Home of the Star is the biggest stage of them all as far as the NFL goes. Bill knows this, that's one of the reasons why he came here, and so far been happier then he's seemed in years while coaching. I think TO also already knows this to. For all intents and purposes, his coming out party was the disgracing of our star. He already chose us YEARS ago! We're the best. We're the biggest. We're the brightest. He chose us. He's always been on the outside looking in. Think about it, he's not a "goodguy" Jerry Rice, he's a "badguy" Michael Irvin! Last kid picked on the playground (drafted by 49ers). Subbing on the girls team (picked up by the eagles). The guy has always wanted to be a Cowboy--of course he'll work out here!! Your guess is as good as mine.

How do you know "he's always wanted to be a Cowboy"? He could have danced on the star because he hates everything about the Cowboys?????? Folks need to take the blinders off! TO = BAD NEWS!

[Champsheart]

Honestly in this whole T.O. discussion I do not think there is a right or wrong answer.

Everything everyone is saying who wants and does not want T.O. are correct IMO.

I dont think there is any question his talent would help this team take it to a new level.


On the other hand how can you not be concerned about the selfish display and attitude he is put on in the past.

Would he be different? Can Parcells and JJ make the difference?

The only way to find out would be if he became a Cowboy.

The question is are you willing to take a chance?

I would say I am, if T.O. has any chance of changing it would be after all that has recently happened, and JJ and BP may be the ones to help him out.

That diffently is not a guarantee though.

[Alexander]

I can't answer that. Like my first post, all I can guarantee is 2006 will be quiet. That's why I asked only about 2006 in the poll. TO is going to shut up for one year if for no other reason than to get one more big contract, or prove all his naysayers wrong. After that it's anybody's guess but I think the Cowboys need to approach the offseason with a win now mentality with older players like Bledsoe, Glenn, Key, Allen, Rivera making up most of the key positions on the offense, and barely and promising young backups in the wings to replace them.

He is an idiot, but he is also a businessman. There is no way he acts up this season. If he does, he could kiss his career goodbye.

[slick325]

parcells is not known for "airing it out"... how many times the last few years have you seen it? Two or three? He likes to run the ball and you know TO would be in his ear wanting the ball thrown his way. Who are you going to cut if you bring him in?

Keyshawn= no
Glenn = no
Crayton= no
witten= no

You would have to get rid of one of these and I just don't think Parcells does that!

I hope he signs with someone else soon so this madness will stop!:bang2: :bang2:


Actually, Parcells "aired it out" with Glenn and Jefferson in New England and got to a Super Bowl. Bledsoe had 4000yds under Parcells one season.

Last season we "aired it out" enough to have an 1100 yard receiver and Key had over 60 receptions. T.O. is much more explosive than any of the wideouts we have on our roster. He can do more with less opportunity than anyone else other than Glenn. All of that to say, if T.O. has 8 balls thrown his way per game and catches 5 he will have more yards and touchdowns than we have seen in Dallas for a long time. Yards after catch is where he makes a living so he needs less opportunities.

We can still be a run heavy offense like we were when Emmitt was here but that doesn't mean a great WR won't make the most of his opportunities. Ask Michael Irvin. His numbers looked pretty good despite playing with the all-time leading rusher who was getting 300 plus carries per season throughout.

[EveryoneElse]

Yeah, it could work if we can win some games.

10. Bill Parcells
9. incentive contract, where all ifs(Rec, yards, TDs, Super bowl, pro bowl), if met make him the richest WR in the game.
8. He's the best in the game.
7. We need a GREAT WR, not just good ones.
6. Jerry Jones, he'll stroke TOs ego, just like Deion's.
5. DREW BLEDSOE, he is the QB TOs been looking for. He can put the ball ON him. Not just in the area.
4. BIG STAGE, just like TO likes.
3. :starspin TO can stand on it everytime he scores.
2. He needs us as much as we need him.

And the #1 reason..........

Every Dallas fan will love him regardless of what he has done in the past if he puts up the numbers and helps us win a superbowl.

[Yeagermeister]

Every Dallas fan will love him regardless of what he has done in the past if he puts up the numbers and helps us win a superbowl.

Don't lump every fan in to that. I will love we won a SB but still hate TO just like I did Deion.

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, it could work if we can win some games.

10. Bill Parcells
9. incentive contract, where all ifs(Rec, yards, TDs, Super bowl, pro bowl), if met make him the richest WR in the game.
8. He's the best in the game.
7. We need a GREAT WR, not just good ones.
6. Jerry Jones, he'll stroke TOs ego, just like Deion's.
5. DREW BLEDSOE, he is the QB TOs been looking for. He can put the ball ON him. Not just in the area.
4. BIG STAGE, just like TO likes.
3. :starspin TO can stand on it everytime he scores.
2. He needs us as much as we need him.

And the #1 reason..........

Every Dallas fan will love him regardless of what he has done in the past if he puts up the numbers and helps us win a superbowl.

Those are your reason as for everyone loving him if he puts up good numbers? I don't all of us would feel that way. For a play to work it takes 10 other men doing their job and frankly I'm sick of seeing ars holes like TO acting as if they are the only reason the score took place. This team does not need an 11 year vet who acts like a 5 year old

[jackrussell]

short, incentive laden contract would work

Please quit with the 'incentive laden contract' stuff. That is exactly what would cause a problem, needing to reach specific numbers to attain a certain salary.

And since he wants MORE money, he'll want, no, he'll INSIST, that he gets the ball, and when he doesn't, that's when the dominos start falling....

[Yeagermeister]

Please quit with the 'incentive laden contract' stuff. That is exactly what would cause a problem, needing to reach specific numbers to attain a certain salary.

And since he wants MORE money, he'll want, no, he'll INSIST, that he gets the ball, and when he doesn't, that's when the dominos start falling....
Thank you.....at least a few of us get it

[EveryoneElse]

Don't lump every fan in to that. I will love we won a SB but still hate TO just like I did Deion.

I'm sure you were cussing at the TV, and beating your dog everytime Deion picked off a pass or returned a punt for a TD. You may not like the guy, but you have to respect the skill and that he is helping your team. I don't like the way BP goes about his business, but I know he is a brilliant football guy and I love that he's on our side.

Theres a difference between the guy and the football player.

[slick325]

Honestly, I am indifferent towards acquiring T.O. If we get him great, that means Jerry Jones and Coach Parcells feel it would work. As long as he behaves, which could be said about all players I guess, then great. If we don't get him, so be it, you can never miss what you never had.

[Yeagermeister]

I'm sure you were cussing at the TV, and beating your dog everytime Deion picked off a pass or returned a punt for a TD. You may not like the guy, but you have to respect the skill and that he is helping your team. I don't like the way BP goes about his business, but I know he is a brilliant football guy and I love that he's on our side.

Theres a difference between the guy and the football player.
I respect the talent not the football player or person

[Doomsday101]

I'm sure you were cussing at the TV, and beating your dog everytime Deion picked off a pass or returned a punt for a TD. You may not like the guy, but you have to respect the skill and that he is helping your team. I don't like the way BP goes about his business, but I know he is a brilliant football guy and I love that he's on our side.

Theres a difference between the guy and the football player.

Sanders never used the media to slam teammates TO has done it twice with 2 different teams but all of a sudden he is a new man? Give me a break the guy is a punk and is not going to change he is what he is, a good football player who has hurt his teams more than he has helped them. He has been in the league 10 years and has no rings so this BS about sign him and we will get a ring is pure BS.

[EveryoneElse]

You guys crack me up. Yeah it takes 10 other guys....we need that 11th guy, cause we aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard.

If TO comes in a keeps his mouth shut and puts points on the board, helps us win.....I bet we won't hear much complaining out of anyone here.

You guys can talk til your blue in the face about how much you dislike the man, but the player would earn your respect if he helps us to the super bowl.

I don't really care for the way he's went about hsi business in the past, but he is a smart guy, he will be an altar boy from here on out if he is compensated fairly.....he knows he has to prove his worth as a team player now.

[Doomsday101]

You guys crack me up. Yeah it takes 10 other guys....we need that 11th guy, cause we aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard.

If TO comes in a keeps his mouth shut and puts points on the board, helps us win.....I bet we won't hear much complaining out of anyone here.

You guys can talk til your blue in the face about how much you dislike the man, but the player would earn your respect if he helps us to the super bowl.

I don't really care for the way he's went about hsi business in the past, but he is a smart guy, he will be an altar boy from here on out if he is compensated fairly.....he knows he has to prove his worth as a team player now.

Guys like you crack me up thinking this idiot can change and not leave a mess behind him as he has done on 2 different teams. Dallas does not need TO to get to the next level and TO is not the only WR in the NFL. I'll take a guy with a bit less talent but will stick with the team through thick and thin than some moron who wants the limelight so bad that he does not care what he does or says about those who helped him put up the damn numbers to begin with.

[VirusX]

I think that if anyone can keep him in line during the season and with a contract it would be Jerry and BP. Im for it assuming the contract is in-laid with stips.

[Yeagermeister]

You guys crack me up. Yeah it takes 10 other guys....we need that 11th guy, cause we aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard.

If TO comes in a keeps his mouth shut and puts points on the board, helps us win.....I bet we won't hear much complaining out of anyone here.

You guys can talk til your blue in the face about how much you dislike the man, but the player would earn your respect if he helps us to the super bowl.

I don't really care for the way he's went about hsi business in the past, but he is a smart guy, he will be an altar boy from here on out if he is compensated fairly.....he knows he has to prove his worth as a team player now.
Those are might big IF's

[EveryoneElse]

Sanders never used the media to slam teammates TO has done it twice with 2 different teams but all of a sudden he is a new man? Give me a break the guy is a punk and is not going to change he is what he is, a good football player who has hurt his teams more than he has helped them. He has been in the league 10 years and has no rings so this BS about sign him and we will get a ring is pure BS.

He HAS TO PROVE he's a new man. He will have a clause in his new contract that will cover his new teams butt. If he acts up he will not get away with it. An incentive laden contract is realistic. No team will give him top WR money without him having to give to get.

If you don't think he had a HUGE HAND in getting Philly over the hump, your dreaming. he was hurt, but he brought a swagger and confidence to that team, and that is what got them over the hump. TO gave EVERYTHING in the superbowl, poor time management and McNabbs alleged melt down cost them a win.

TO has over the hump talent.

[Seven]

Of course he would work. Dallas doesn't have $100 million tied up in one player like Philly does and can thus afford to pay T.O. News flash: All TO wants is to win, be a major contributer to winning, and to be paid what he's worth.

SF stopped throwing him the ball and Philly didn't pay him what he was worth-- ergo problems. Never once did T.O. hold out of a practice (of his own accord) or give less than 110% in games.

Football is a team sport, and the notion of the $100 million franchise QB will IMO soon become extinct. No team has won the Superbowl since paying its QB that kind of money. Teams that pay out that kind of money to one or two players help create a class hierarchy in the locker room. Things fall apart when those players (COUGH)KearseandMcNabb(COUGH) don't perform.

You need to be telling #81 that.....not us.

[Doomsday101]

He HAS TO PROVE he's a new man. He will have a clause in his new contract that will cover his new teams butt. If he acts up he will not get away with it. An incentive laden contract is realistic. No team will give him top WR money without him having to give to get.

If you don't think he had a HUGE HAND in getting Philly over the hump, your dreaming. he was hurt, but he brought a swagger and confidence to that team, and that is what got them over the hump. TO gave EVERYTHING in the superbowl, poor time management and McNabbs alleged melt down cost them a win.

TO has over the hump talent.

I would hope any team that signs him would put that in the contract but considering there is no contract you don't know if that will end up being the case of not. You act as if TO is the only WR in the NFL there are guys that have good talent and do not cause the problems TO seems to bring where ever he goes. As for Philly they were winning before TO got there and managed to make it to the SB going through the playoffs without TO playing due to his injury so yes they were able to make it to the show without TO on the field.

[EveryoneElse]

I'll take a guy with a bit less talent but will stick with the team through thick and thin than some moron who wants the limelight so bad that he does not care what he does or says about those who helped him put up the damn numbers to begin with.

What is that WRs name? Maybe we can pick him up in FA. Oh, he doesn't exist right now? Who is available that is half the player TO is? The "bring in TO camp" has a solution. You guys have no solution for the problems at WR and the lack of scoring, just the " he's a butt head" approach.

TO may not change, but with a contract that has stipulations and a reward in their somewhere, makes the risk/reward worth it.

[5Stars]

Let's ask this questioin?

"Can a Tiger change his stripes"?

[Doomsday101]

What is that WRs name? Maybe we can pick him up in FA. Oh, he doesn't exist right now? Who is available that is half the player TO is? The "bring in TO camp" has a solution. You guys have no solution for the problems at WR and the lack of scoring, just the " he's a butt head" approach.

TO may not change, but with a contract that has stipulations and a reward in their somewhere, makes the risk/reward worth it.

The solution is to stay with Key,Glenn and Crayton. Our WR were not a problem for the Cowboys our problem was on the Oline and I don't think TO can play OT do you? Sorry I don't want the guy plain and simple he is not worth the headache he brings to every team he has played for. If he does come to Dallas I sure as heck don't want to hear about what a problem he is after the fact because everyone damn well knew it ahead of time.

[EveryoneElse]

I would hope any team that signs him would put that in the contract but considering there is no contract you don't know if that will end up being the case of not. You act as if TO is the only WR in the NFL there are guys that have good talent and do not cause the problems TO seems to bring where ever he goes. As for Philly they were winning before TO got there and managed to make it to the SB going through the playoffs without TO playing due to his injury so yes they were able to make it to the show without TO on the field.

From day one TO made that team better. They got past the NFCCG without TO, I have no arguement there. IMO TO made everyone around him better, he took pressure off their scrub WRs all year and boosted their confidence. He was there keeping everyone guessing about if he was going to come back at some point in the playoffs. He had a role eventhough he wasn't on the field.

I say he got them over the hump.

[EveryoneElse]

The solution is to stay with Key,Glenn and Crayton. Our WR were not a problem for the Cowboys our problem was on the Oline and I don't think TO can play OT do you? Sorry I don't want the guy plain and simple he is not worth the headache he brings to every team he has played for. If he does come to Dallas I sure as heck don't want to hear about what a problem he is after the fact because everyone damn well knew it ahead of time.

Keyshawn, Terry Glenn, and Patrick Crayton are servicable at best for different reasons, age and youth. None of the three are anywhere close to the player TO is. O-line was a huge problem, but Glenn is our only WR that can get seperation and he was easily shut down with double coverage. WRs score points....we lost too many games to make the playoffs....probably cause we didn't score enough points.....thats just my opinion.

[demdcowboys#1]

Yes..........I do believe it would work.

[1fisher]

Guys like you crack me up thinking this idiot can change and not leave a mess behind him as he has done on 2 different teams. Dallas does not need TO to get to the next level and TO is not the only WR in the NFL. I'll take a guy with a bit less talent but will stick with the team through thick and thin than some moron who wants the limelight so bad that he does not care what he does or says about those who helped him put up the damn numbers to begin with.


I couldn't have said it better myself Dooms.....

[1fisher]

He HAS TO PROVE he's a new man. He will have a clause in his new contract that will cover his new teams butt. If he acts up he will not get away with it. An incentive laden contract is realistic. No team will give him top WR money without him having to give to get.

If you don't think he had a HUGE HAND in getting Philly over the hump, your dreaming. he was hurt, but he brought a swagger and confidence to that team, and that is what got them over the hump. TO gave EVERYTHING in the superbowl, poor time management and McNabbs alleged melt down cost them a win.

TO has over the hump talent.

Philly got there without him thanks to RW.... they lost with him. If he's the superman you think he is, then philly/TO should have won that game despite what happend to McNabb....

[chinch]

Please quit with the 'incentive laden contract' stuff. That is exactly what would cause a problem, needing to reach specific numbers to attain a certain salary.

And since he wants MORE money, he'll want, no, he'll INSIST, that he gets the ball, and when he doesn't, that's when the dominos start falling....
nah.

you can have "incentives" just to make the roster and behave (not be fined or suspended or you miss the incentive). in short a multi-year deal voidable each year by the club with bonuses for makign playoffs, winning playoff game, 15TDs, etc. not a rocket science here... Tuna's been handling guys like this since you were in diapers :)

[EveryoneElse]

Let's ask this questioin?

"Can a Tiger change his stripes"?

Absolutely not!

Michael Irvin is still a crack head and The grinch still hates Christmas.

[EveryoneElse]

Philly got there without him thanks to RW.... they lost with him. If he's the superman you think he is, then philly/TO should have won that game despite what happend to McNabb....

Your right. How foolish of me. Terrell Owens is not the best WR in the game and had nothing to do with Philly's superbowl season....he sucks. Lets bring back Quincy Morgan.

Where's my dunce hat?

[EveryoneElse]

nah.

you can have "incentives" just to make the roster and behave (not be fined or suspended or you miss the incentive). in short a multi-year deal voidable each year by the club with bonuses for makign playoffs, winning playoff game, 15TDs, etc. not a rocket science here... Tuna's been handling guys like this since you were in diapers :)

I agree.

[kojak]

Well I don't see how one receiver can make a diffrence. We still haven't figured out a way to protect the statue.

[EveryoneElse]

Well I don't see how one receiver can make a diffrence. We still haven't figured out a way to protect the statue.

O-line improvement is a must above all else. WR is the next problem on offense. We need to score points. TO can score. If he'll accept an incentive laden contract that can be terminated due to conduct detrimental to the team......sign him up.

Talent makes the risk worth taking.

[1fisher]

O-line improvement is a must above all else. WR is the next problem on offense. We need to score points. TO can score. If he'll accept an incentive laden contract that can be terminated due to conduct detrimental to the team......sign him up.

Talent makes the risk worth taking.

If he'll accept an incentive laden contract that can be terminated due to conduct detrimental to the team......sign him up.

Yep, that's the kind of risk the Cowboys need to take. What happen Mid-season when things fall apart and there are no other options out there for a WR.... yea lets take that chance.

[EveryoneElse]

If he'll accept an incentive laden contract that can be terminated due to conduct detrimental to the team......sign him up.

Yep, that's the kind of risk the Cowboys need to take. What happen Mid-season when things fall apart and there are no other options out there for a WR.... yea lets take that chance.

We need a talented WR who is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.

Anyone else out there? Randle El anyone? Spare me.

TO needs to restore his reputation. Some team is going to take a chance on him. We need a threat at WR.

[1fisher]

We need a talented WR who is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.

Anyone else out there? Randle El anyone? Spare me.

TO needs to restore his reputation. Some team is going to take a chance on him. We need a threat at WR.

You know what? You're exactly right. We need a threat..... and TO is not JUST a threat..... he's a double threat! I say pass.

If we don't have an oline.... no receiver will excel..... fix the o-line and then get a receiver.... NOT TO...

[EveryoneElse]

You know what? You're exactly right. We need a threat..... and TO is not JUST a threat..... he's a double threat! I say pass.

If we don't have an oline.... no receiver will excel..... fix the o-line and then get a receiver.... NOT TO...

Your right. We need to improve the line.

I have no clue if Jerry and Bill want TO. I think it could be a good pick up.

IF, I know it's a big IF, but if we get him, I bet you'll be cheering the first time he takes a 10 yard slant from Bledsoe 80 yards for a TD.

IF we get him, I trust you'll be the first to tell me "I told you so" if he causes trouble.

I think he's learned his lesson. Pure speculation, just my opinion.

[1fisher]

Your right. We need to improve the line.

I have no clue if Jerry and Bill want TO. I think it could be a good pick up.

IF, I know it's a big IF, but if we get him, I bet you'll be cheering the first time he takes a 10 yard slant from Bledsoe 80 yards for a TD.

IF we get him, I trust you'll be the first to tell me "I told you so" if he causes trouble.

I think he's learned his lesson. Pure speculation, just my opinion.

put your money where your mouth is and go ahead and pay up.... I will not cheer for TO..... If bledsoe throws an ten yard slant I'll cheer Bledsoe!

Also, I will NOT tell you "I told you so". You'll figure out on your own how wrong you are!

If we get him and that's a big IF..... I'm sure YOU will be the first to tell me "I told you so". I think, based on some of your posts, you are geared that way.

[EveryoneElse]

If we get him and that's a big IF..... I'm sure YOU will be the first to tell me "I told you so". I think, based on some of your posts, you are geared that way.

1st off. How so? Please explain.

2nd. You keep telling yourself that. Thats what they all say, "I don't like that player", the next thing you know he's on your team and you like him.

You may never like the man, and what he stands for, but his talent is to be respected. The NFL is full of jerks and cocky clowns.

[1fisher]

1st off. How so? Please explain.

2nd. You keep telling yourself that. Thats what they all say, "I don't like that player", the next thing you know he's on your team and you like him.

You may never like the man, and what he stands for, but his talent is to be respected. The NFL is full of jerks and cocky clowns.


I can't place my finger on it but I just get the feeling you will start a "I told you so thread and several more will jump on the wagon with you". Maybe you'll prove me wrong.

Not every person is from the mold you are talking about. I think folks should get a second chance but this is TO's third. I didn't like the way he acted in SF, I didn't like the way he acted with Philly and I didn't like the way he made an idiot of himself in front of his house. Some things I can overlook but this is a case where I can't. IF he signs with Dallas it will be a very dark day for me. That's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth!

[chinch]

i'd rather have "i told you so" with DIFFERENCE MAKERS like TO than "i told you so" with guys like Quincy, R. Williams, Goodrich and all these other non-difference makers who have came and went while we lost and lost and lost.


ps- i'm very confident there will be no "i told you so" however if TO comes here with Tuna in command :)

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Yes it would work, assuming that he's learned his lesson. He would be playing with the best QB he's ever had during his career so far. And he would have a chance to repent for his sins on the national stage in Big D. Unless TO is truly mentally ill, I just can't see him coming here and destroying this team.:cool:

[Doomsday101]

i'd rather have "i told you so" with DIFFERENCE MAKERS like TO than "i told you so" with guys like Quincy, R. Williams, Goodrich and all these other non-difference makers who have came and went while we lost and lost and lost.


ps- i'm very confident there will be no "i told you so" however if TO comes here with Tuna in command :)

Let see Reid tells TO to shut up because he was talking and TO was yaking away. After Reid tells him to shut up TO throws a temper tantrum and tells the media he is a grown man and no one talks to him this way. Now we have Parcells who gets along well with Key yet when Key is fussing on the sideline it is pretty common to see Bill look around telling him to shut up and we all saw Bill jumping one of his assistants telling him to shut up or when he was in NY telling Simms to shut the f* up yet none of these guys went on about being a man and not being talked to like that. Yeah this is going to work. I have better ideal lets just throw our money away and just say we signed TO is will cause a lot less problems

[EveryoneElse]

I can't place my finger on it but I just get the feeling you will start a "I told you so thread and several more will jump on the wagon with you".

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not like a few around here, I don't need to thump my chest when I'm right. I'm wrong more often then right.

If TO comes and success follows, IMO, he will be FULLY accepted around here. Thats just my opinion.

[1fisher]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not like a few around here, I don't need to thump my chest when I'm right. I'm wrong more often then right.

If TO comes and success follows, IMO, he will be FULLY accepted around here. Thats just my opinion.

he want be accepted by me.... but what does it really matter?

Dear God, I hope TO goes to Denver!:bow:

[Doomsday101]

he want be accepted by me.... but what does it really matter?

Dear God, I hope TO goes to Denver!:bow:

Your not alone.

[EveryoneElse]

Let see Reid tells TO to shut up because he was talking and TO was yaking away. After Reid tells him to shut up TO throws a temper tantrum and tells the media he is a grown man and no one talks to him this way. Now we have Parcells who gets along well with Key yet when Key is fussing on the sideline it is pretty common to see Bill look around telling him to shut up and we all saw Bill jumping one of his assistants telling him to shut up or when he was in NY telling Simms to shut the f* up yet none of these guys went on about being a man and not being talked to like that. Yeah this is going to work. I have better ideal lets just throw our money away and just say we signed TO is will cause a lot less problems

I hope we can get and keep Terrell Owens happy. If that happens, I hope you two and anyone who shares the same outlook, will have fun pouting on your sofas while TO is scoring TDs and helping us win games.

If he doesn't come, oh well. That means it wouldn't work out and Bill and Jerry don't hink they could control him.

[cowboyeric8]

No, I don't want TO.

1. If we don't get an o-line we won't be able to get him the ball, because Bledsoe will be getting pounded into the ground.

2. If we sign him, one of the recievers will have to go, and do you think Parcells is going to cut one of his main men? I don't think so.

3. Like all you yahoos saying "he" can take us to the Super Bowl. Name one person that has done that without the help of the 52 other guys on the team. And Philly did make it to the SB without him. I don't give me the BS about him being a motivator.

4. We don't have the money. We still have to get o-linemen, linebacker, a good kicker, and sign the future draft picks. I don't want to waste any on him.

5. He is a selfish who only cares about himself, and no one else. If you don't think so, look what he did in Philly. He called out people to the media, and could careless about his teammates.

6. Do you really think Parcells can keep him under control? One word for you, Bryant. One jersey incident and AB got on his "chit list". I would honestly rather have Bryant back than this idiot.

7. Like an earlier poster said, "do you think a tiger can change his stripes?"

8. And no matter what kind of conract you give him its not going to be enough. There is always loop holes.

9. He cryed about going to Baltimore and got his way, so he is selfish.

10. Quite frankly I hate his stupid end zone dances, and how in the heck can you like someone who runs to the middle of the star. Emmitt, and Teuque will cringe in their retirement homes.

11. He has killed teams whether you like to admit that or you don't

12. And no if we do sign him, I will be pissed. I don't give a crap what he does I will never root for him. I will want other people to get the ball. And if he scores I will put it in my book as all done be Bledsoe no matter what he did. I will support the "Cowboys" not TO

13. I hate TO and everything about him.

Please Jerry say no to TO, pray to God

JMO

[Ashwynn]

First of all your poll question is misleading in the fact its not looking 'more likely'.

Personally, I detest this individual and place an import on character in my teams. This is not to say that I would stop rooting for the boys if half the team got busted for pot or robbery or picking up hookers. But the character of a man has to be considered when adding any member of TEAM. You have to consider the team sport as a different thing all together then 'wnating to win'. Sure everyone wants to win. But it takes 53 guys all doing whats best for the team, sometimes thats tackeling, sometimes its sacrificing your numbers to prevent something worse happening. It calls for variations in playability. Sometimes your the man, sometimes your not.

TO is ME. Hes about his numbers to promote him. At the expense of the team concept. He does not care if the team wins, so long as he has 9 for 140 and 2 TDs. The fact hes doubled and hurt the team by forcing the ball his way and leaving open receivers out in the cold so you can get your numbers. Thats not team concept.

You also have to humble yourself before your team. You can not call your QB gay, even if he is. Certainly not if you know hes not or even dont know. These things have a snowball effect on the team and not only the guy you called gay, his friends on the team will look at you differently. You can not put yourself higher then a coach, your position coach. Even if you are special and get special treatment, you cant wave that like a flag. Others that are humping and just are not getting the breaks will come to detest you. Your blockers on a reverse will maybe not block so well one game.

Everything you do in a negitive light to your team is amplified in the clubhouse. If you have never been on a team you may not understand. If you have ever been on a team where there was a devisive person, you know only too well the effect and affect of that person on the team, the players as an individual.

TO is not fit for any team, certainly not one like the Patriots that grew together and rely on chemistry and familiarity in times of duress. The Cowboys could become a team like this again. We wont with a TO type player on our team. AB was the closest thing we had to TO, you see what Parcells did about that. You think Parcells would invite the master of disaster, the person who inspired AB and has ten times the tricks and experience and leverage of AB, into his clubhouse. Your dreaming and smoking dope in the dream.

Anyways, thats my take on the TO thing. Character. No denying his ability. But I cant live with his character. PERIOD.

[cowboyeric8]

Anyways, thats my take on the TO thing. Character. No denying his ability. But I cant live with his character. PERIOD.

:bow:

[jackrussell]

nah.

you can have "incentives" just to make the roster and behave (not be fined or suspended or you miss the incentive). in short a multi-year deal voidable each year by the club with bonuses for makign playoffs, winning playoff game, 15TDs, etc. not a rocket science here... Tuna's been handling guys like this since you were in diapers :)

OK, so TO gets a bonus for reaching the incentive of.....making the roster.:rolleyes:

Behaving is not an incentive clause, it's a 'team conduct' clause.

Winning games is an acceptable incentive clause.

15 TDs is exactly the problem 'incentive' clause he'll pout about.

Not a rocket science here- That's apparent by your original posting.:D

Tuna's been handling guys like this since you were in diapers.- You certainly missed on that one.

[Teague31]

they say a picture is worth a thousand words- just look at my avatar.

[Yeagermeister]

No, I don't want TO.

1. If we don't get an o-line we won't be able to get him the ball, because Bledsoe will be getting pounded into the ground.

2. If we sign him, one of the recievers will have to go, and do you think Parcells is going to cut one of his main men? I don't think so.

3. Like all you yahoos saying "he" can take us to the Super Bowl. Name one person that has done that without the help of the 52 other guys on the team. And Philly did make it to the SB without him. I don't give me the BS about him being a motivator.

4. We don't have the money. We still have to get o-linemen, linebacker, a good kicker, and sign the future draft picks. I don't want to waste any on him.

5. He is a selfish who only cares about himself, and no one else. If you don't think so, look what he did in Philly. He called out people to the media, and could careless about his teammates.

6. Do you really think Parcells can keep him under control? One word for you, Bryant. One jersey incident and AB got on his "chit list". I would honestly rather have Bryant back than this idiot.

7. Like an earlier poster said, "do you think a tiger can change his stripes?"

8. And no matter what kind of conract you give him its not going to be enough. There is always loop holes.

9. He cryed about going to Baltimore and got his way, so he is selfish.

10. Quite frankly I hate his stupid end zone dances, and how in the heck can you like someone who runs to the middle of the star. Emmitt, and Teuque will cringe in their retirement homes.

11. He has killed teams whether you like to admit that or you don't

12. And no if we do sign him, I will be pissed. I don't give a crap what he does I will never root for him. I will want other people to get the ball. And if he scores I will put it in my book as all done be Bledsoe no matter what he did. I will support the "Cowboys" not TO

13. I hate TO and everything about him.

Please Jerry say no to TO, pray to God

JMO


:bow: Post of the day

[REDVOLUTION]

T.O.'s only chance at saving himself and career is to land in Dallas. Anywhere else he is finished. Especially in Denver with Jake the Snake throwing balls over his head to defenders LOL

[Little Jr]

Not if you are for or against it. Just honestly, do you think TO would work with Dallas? Drop your memories of him stomping on the star, drop the inflammatory ten second sound bites that ESPN shows the world, and think of TO as the football player, and the realities of his situation now that he's getting older.

I think it would work, and here's why:

TO didn't cause any problems his first year in Philly.

He didn't cause any problems in his early years in San Fran.

The reason? No contract disputes!

Is TO a jerk? Yes. Is TO a narcissist? You betcha! (As well as a lot of players I might add.)

But... Is he a good football player who is still a team player? Yes. He blocks with the best of 'em, he plays hurt, he goes up the middle, he has fire on the sidelines and encourages the fans to cheer.

I think TO could work the same way Keyshawn worked. The same crap that happened to TO also happened to Keyshawn, only he got into it with his coach instead of his QB. Some of you who are on TO because of his behavior towards McNabb seem to forget how much of a punk Key was to Jon Gruden. I would even go so far as to say that acting that way towards your coach is a hell of a lot worse than doing it to a player, even if it is the QB.

Here's the thing, TO probably realizes this is his last big contract ever. Just like Key. JJT even wrote in one of his recent articles that our receivers are underpaid. Yet, you don't hear anything from Key. Key realizes this is the end. TO does too. You give TO a satisfying contract and he'll play his heart out for the rest of his career. You're not going to see a 36 year old receiver demand more money. AND... even if you don't give him much of a signing bonus contract because the market doesn't demand it, he will shut up for at least one year so that he can get the contract he lost out on in Philly.

For at least one year, I don't see how you can lose with TO. The only thing that could possibly set him off would be the team falling apart and losing, and in that case, you have a hell of a lot more to worry about than your spoiled franchise receiver. Parcells is probably out of here too if that happens. TO is the least of our worries.

I know the memory of the star stompin' hurts, but you will not find a franchise receiver like this in free agency. You will not find him this cheap. And you will not find a more ideal situation to get a problem child. Key has to be one of the most predictable receivers in the NFL because he's so slow, and only slower with age. You won't get anything other than a quick curl or out route and see him try to out-muscle his defender. If defenses are worried about Glenn, they put another man on him, get a little physical, and he usually disappears. The Cowboys need a receiver like TO if they are really going for it all next year. Just my two cents.





Great post. I agree with it all.

[Doomsday101]

I hope we can get and keep Terrell Owens happy. If that happens, I hope you two and anyone who shares the same outlook, will have fun pouting on your sofas while TO is scoring TDs and helping us win games.

If he doesn't come, oh well. That means it wouldn't work out and Bill and Jerry don't hink they could control him.

Pout? sorry I guess that is what you must do when you don't get your way but I don't. I would be dissapointed if Dallas brought in TO and very leery given his past. Things is guys like you will sing his praise today and should things go down hill you will be the 1st to blame Jerry Jones and Parcells