Would you consider a T.E. at 18?, You might

[Typhus]

You just might consider a TE at 18 if you have been paying attention to the combine the past few days.

The freak of the combine award goes to..........

Vernon Davis..... ran a 4.38.

That's absolutely insane for a guy that's 6'3+ 255 pounds.

Add to that, the fact that he had 33 bench reps at 225 lbs is unbelievable for a TE.
That is only 4 fewer than defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, regarded as one of the strongest players in the draft.

Oh, and he dominated the blocking drills.
He is literally one of the best athletes to ever enter the draft, and in my opinion the best tight end prospect in NFL history by a large margin.

I would not be surprised to see him jump a whole lot of players on draft day and even end up in the top 8.

[TheHustler]

We already have a pro-bowl TE.

[jazzcat22]

NO
we have a starter in Witten. With the #18, we need someone to contribute immediately. Not that this wouldn't be a bad pick, it would be good if that was a need AND he was BPA.

[Typhus]

We already have a pro-bowl TE.

Look, no disrespect, but ,,,who cares,,,,, this guy is faster than nearly all the top WR prospects entering this draft for crying out loud,, Davis will be a dominate force,, mark my words.

[Yeagermeister]

If we fixed the oline in FA and he was the BPA...maybe

[speedkilz88]

He definitely goes top ten, there isn't any way he falls to 18. I certainly wouldn't be against it if he did though.

[Rack Bauer]

Would you consider a T.E. at 18?


Absolutely not. Drafting a TE at 18 would be incredibly stupid.

[Typhus]

If we fixed the oline in FA and he was the BPA...maybe

Thats all Im saying...
There are several players that fit this teams needs for than a Vernon Davis would, but like you alluded to, if we plug some holes in FA, and we are in a position to take BPA,,, Davis is attractive... to say the least.

[Typhus]

Absolutely not. Drafting a TE at 18 would be incredibly stupid.

Ya, just like when we took a safety in the top ten,, who in their right mind drafts a safety that high,,,, oh wait that was Roy Williams wasnt it. :eek:

[Rack Bauer]

Ya, just like when we took a safety in the top ten,, who in their right mind drafts a safety that high,,,, oh wait that was Roy Williams wasnt it. :eek:


:rolleyes:


We actually NEEDED a safety at that time, and his PLAY ON THE FIELD made him well worth the pick.


We have a Pro Bowl TE on the roster, and although Davis' workout numbers are nice, his play on the field hasn't been nearly as good as his workouts.


We aren't gonna draft a TE at 18. Period. Might as well scratch that player off your wishlist.

[nathanlt]

Absolutely not. Drafting a TE at 18 would be incredibly stupid.

Look, we have needs at WR as well. a 6'3" 255, 4.38 forty beast of a pass catching machine would be amazing! Uh.... I'd say he's the #1 WR as well. I wouldn't be suprised if he cracked the top 5!

If all the teams ahead of us took stupid pills and skipped him, if we were following BPA, he would be the guy. No doubt whatsoever. He is an absolute freak!

[Typhus]

:rolleyes:


We actually NEEDED a safety at that time, and his PLAY ON THE FIELD made him well worth the pick.


We have a Pro Bowl TE on the roster, and although Davis' workout numbers are nice, his play on the field hasn't been nearly as good as his workouts.


We aren't gonna draft a TE at 18. Period. Might as well scratch that player off your wishlist.

Never said he was on my wish list Rack,,, just throwing out options as far as who might "legitimately be there at 18.

[Rack Bauer]

Look, we have needs at WR as well. a 6'3" 255, 4.38 forty beast of a pass catching machine would be amazing! Uh.... I'd say he's the #1 WR as well. I wouldn't be suprised if he cracked the top 5!

If all the teams ahead of us took stupid pills and skipped him, if we were following BPA, he would be the guy. No doubt whatsoever. He is an absolute freak!


:rolleyes:

Yet another person falling in love with workout numbers. It takes more then "Big and fast" to be a good WR. Randall Williams is proof of that.

[ConcordCowboy]

Look, we have needs at WR as well. a 6'3" 255, 4.38 forty beast of a pass catching machine would be amazing! Uh.... I'd say he's the #1 WR as well. I wouldn't be suprised if he cracked the top 5!

If all the teams ahead of us took stupid pills and skipped him, if we were following BPA, he would be the guy. No doubt whatsoever. He is an absolute freak!

Even if all the teams took stupid pills and skipped him and he was the BPA you still don't draft him.

We have a Pro Bowl TE...With all the other holes to fill that would be crazy or stupid.

[Qwickdraw]

Hes not falling to 18.
Guarantee it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

:rolleyes:

Yet another person falling in love with workout numbers. It takes more then "Big and fast" to be a good WR. Randall Williams is proof of that.

Where was Randall Williams drafted again?

There was talk prior to the combine that this TE was one of the top in the draft.

Big Difference.

Although I get your point.

[Manster54]

:rolleyes:

Yet another person falling in love with workout numbers. It takes more then "Big and fast" to be a good WR. Randall Williams is proof of that.

Are you kidding me? Workout warrior? Did you watch one Maryland game? If you did, then you saw Davis DOMINATE any person opposing him. He could not be stopped. He will be long gone before #18.;)

[Rack Bauer]

Where was Randall Williams drafted again?

There was talk prior to the combine that this TE was one of the top in the draft.

Big Difference.

Although I get your point.


If you fully got my point then you wouldn't of even mentioned Randall Williams' draft status. It had nothing to do with my point.

[Rack Bauer]

Are you kidding me? Workout warrior? Did you watch one Maryland game? If you did, then you saw Davis DOMINATE any person opposing him. He could not be stopped. He will be long gone before #18.;)


Irrelevant. Whether he's there at 18 or not, he won't be a cowboy.

[ravidubey]

If Davis fell to 18 (which I agree won't happen) you'd be mindless not to take him or trade down unless there was someone else you absolutely had to have. There is depth at OT and LB in this draft, but not much at WR.

Just imagine Witten and Davis in a two TE set. Which one's the blocker? Either? Both? Neither? I'm sure Denver would entertain trading pick 29 and maybe a 2nd rounder for him.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If you fully got my point then you wouldn't of even mentioned Randall Williams' draft status. It had nothing to do with my point.

Sure it does.

If you want to compare someone compare to someone like Mamula or someone else that either really rose up the draft charts or someone that was considered as one of the top players at their positions.

Williams, as has been used in different threads as an example, is a bad example.

Comparing Williams to This TE is beyond a stretch even if your point is understood.

This te has thrived in a top college in his career before ever going to the combine.

Randall Williams was not the same type of player and where he came into the league reflects the difference.

So just because this guy was fast at the combine...it does not mean that is all he has going for him.

[Manster54]

Irrelevant. Whether he's there at 18 or not, he won't be a cowboy.

Mr. Irrelevant here. No, you missed MY point. I didn't think you watched any MD games.
:D

[Rack Bauer]

Sure it does.

If you want to compare someone compare to someone like Mamula or someone else that either really rose up the draft charts or someone that was considered as one of the top players at their positions.

Williams, as has been used in different threads as an example, is a bad example.

Comparing Williams to This TE is beyond a stretch even if your point is understood.

This te has thrived in a top college in his career before ever going to the combine.

Randall Williams was not the same type of player and where he came into the league reflects the difference.

So just because this guy was fast at the combine...it does not mean that is all he has going for him.


Again, you missed the point. Draft status is irrelevant.



Mr. Irrelevant here. No, you missed MY point. I didn't think you watched any MD games.


I don't care if he dominated every game he played in, he won't be a cowboy.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Again, you missed the point. Draft status is irrelevant.






I don't care if he dominated every game he played in, he won't be a cowboy.

And since when did a player in the draft , whether there is a chance or not dallas looks at him, make a difference on this message board?

If a player in the draft is already a good player before the combine, then goes to the combine and really blows everyone away...it is a situation where it is OK to look at their numbers at the combine and factor them in...instead of some scrub that has not produced in college and then blows people away at the combine.

Now if there is no chance, according to anybody, that dallas would not take him...does that mean we should not talk about him?

I bet there where people that if asked about Tony Dixon would say there is no way we would take him in the second round....and I still wish we would not have done so.:mad:

Or the idea that MANY said there would be NO WAY that Stephen Davis would fall to us, but if he somehow did we would take him.

Or the idea that Jason Witten would not last to the second round let alone the third round.

[Typhus]

I don't care if he dominated every game he played in, he won't be a cowboy.

BP might have a different opinion, he seems to have had a hankering for Big, fast and nasty T.E.s throughout his tenure in this league.
I can name a few for you, if you prefer...

[Manster54]

I don't care if he dominated every game he played in, he won't be a cowboy.[/quote]

'Cause RACK says so...:bow:

[silverbear]

Look, no disrespect, but ,,,who cares,,,,, this guy is faster than nearly all the top WR prospects entering this draft for crying out loud,, Davis will be a dominate force,, mark my words.

Problem is, he'll be long gone before the Cowboys get the chance to draft him... or are you suggesting the Cowboys should package draft picks to move up to get Davis?? That would make a lot of sense, when you have a Pro Bowl TE in place already...

[nathanlt]

Irrelevant. Whether he's there at 18 or not, he won't be a cowboy.


Oh, Rack... you're so set against this guy, it's funny. :lmao: I would definitely be coming back to this board looking for you, if Dallas trades up 3 or 4 spots to get him!!! Hilarious!:explode: :bomb:

[Gonhoz]

I see a couples of videos and in the 40 yards make 4.38 so he can play at WR position:starspin:starspin:D

[mschmidt64]

:rolleyes:

Yet another person falling in love with workout numbers. It takes more then "Big and fast" to be a good WR. Randall Williams is proof of that.


That's a dumb thing to say.

I knew that Vernon Davis was a top ten prospect and an impact player well before this combine.

We'd be fools to pass on him. We need difference makers and Davis is one.

It is extremely myopic to pass on him just because you are to unoriginal to come up with uses for him.

[mschmidt64]

Hes not falling to 18.
Guarantee it.

Ayuh.

He's too good.

[ghettogandhi]

NO
we have a starter in Witten. With the #18, we need someone to contribute immediately. Not that this wouldn't be a bad pick, it would be good if that was a need AND he was BPA.

Davis is head and shoulders better than Witten-

Davis is a stud ala Antonio Gates and Kellen Winslow- he is also tremendous in the weight room- Davis has the skills to go down as the best ever whereas Witten has the opportunity to be the Boys best ever-big difference-

Difference makers/playmakers are always worth drafting regardless of position need- ask the Bills about Mcgahee or the Saints about Deuce etc ....DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER ESPECIALLY IF HE IS A DIFFERNCE MAKER

BY the way it is easy to play two te's - just remove a fb and you have a more explosive offense- Davis is the best non rb skill player in this draft-

BOTTOM LINE IS HE'll be gone by 15 anyway-

[InmanRoshi]

Absolutely I would consider drafting a TE at 18 if he was the BPA when we picked, but Davis will go way before 18.

[ghettogandhi]

Again, you missed the point. Draft status is irrelevant.






I don't care if he dominated every game he played in, he won't be a cowboy.

Arent you the same guy that Called Merriman a workout warrior and promised everyone how over rated he was- that was quite the accurate assesment and again you are aspousing falsehoods-

Just like last year I doubt you have ever watched Davis play but once again your an expert on his ability-

I HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY AND MERRIMAN AT THE U OF MD AND DAVIS WILL BE MORE DOMINATING THAN MERRIMAN- HE IS THE BEST PLAYER FROM MARYLAND SINCE RANDY WHITE

[mschmidt64]

I don't know that Vernon Davis is automatically a better player than Witten, but he's a damn fine player and he can create a LOT of mismatches running down field from the TE position, since he'll be matched against LBs and safeties.

He can make plays. Since we have no FB, I've got no problem trotting out two TE sets instead of I-formations.

Heck, if that 40 time is true, he can line up as a WR. We do that with Witten already. We can certainly do it with Davis.

Not that we can make him a full time WR, but the point is, if we have an OUNCE of brains, we can get plenty of use out of such a talented difference maker.

Dragging your feet because we have ONE good TE is a madden-induced intransigence and absolutely short sighted.

[Dale]

I really do believe the BPA is the way to go....unless it is just totally an unreasonable situation to draft the guy (say, spending a first-round pick on a QB the year after you take a guy No. 1 overall). But in most cases, I think it pays off for you in the long haul.

Like having two Pro Bowl tight ends is a bad thing. :)

That's why I like addressing as many holes as possible through free agency, and having some veteran backups at positions who are capable of starting -- something we didn't do at tackle or free safety last year. That way, you can always plug in a guy here or there that is OK, and get the actual best players that are available come April.

[Natedawg44]

Mark this down in the realm of things that will never happen to the cowboys. He's probably going to go top 8 with a chance to be as high as 5. He's the number one TE AND WR prospect in the draft.

[Cowboy Junkie]

If Davis fell to us It would be foolish not to pick him...
One knock on Campbell , he was a non factor in the passing game .If we had a TE of Davis's Talent B.P. would throw to both he and Witten often .B.P. dose run a whloe lot of two TE's sets.
I think we should draft BPA no matter the position , excluding kickers ...

[ghettogandhi]

I really do believe the BPA is the way to go....unless it is just totally an unreasonable situation to draft the guy (say, spending a first-round pick on a QB the year after you take a guy No. 1 overall). But in most cases, I think it pays off for you in the long haul.

Like having two Pro Bowl tight ends is a bad thing. :)

That's why I like addressing as many holes as possible through free agency, and having some veteran backups at positions who are capable of starting -- something we didn't do at tackle or free safety last year. That way, you can always plug in a guy here or there that is OK, and get the actual best players that are available come April.

AGREED COMPLETELY

[InmanRoshi]

Even if its not Davis, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Cowboys draft a TE in Day 1. Its a phenomenal draft class for TE's, and with the Cowboys primarily running 2 TE sets its not like he's going to sit and rot behind Witten. Besides, Witten still isn't locked up long term and the offense is screwed if he gets hurt. He could be next year's Flozell.

[Cowboy Junkie]

Even if its not Davis, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Cowboys draft a TE in Day 1. Its a phenomenal draft class for TE's, and with the Cowboys primarily running 2 TE sets its not like he's going to sit and rot behind Witten. Besides, Witten still isn't locked up long term and the offense is screwed if he gets hurt. He could be next year's Flozell.

It would not shock me if the second best TE was available but It is also a very good linebacker class and I think we need another playmaking LB for this defense .I think unless there is an oustanding player that drops to 18 or the linebacker we covet is there I think we trade out. It looks to me like there are like 2/3 oustanding linebackers and a group of very good ones and I think if it gets to 4/5 LBs that BP/JJ consider equal then they trade down knowing they will get one .Like the Julius Jones draft..

[Avery]

1. He won't be available at #18.
2. Why not line him up at wideout? He'd be a mismatch against any CB.

[demdcowboys#1]

Wont happen, not at 18, i know the guy is an absolute freak, but Jerry said "OT in the 1st round". That settles that.

I would love to draft
-Huff, or Simpson
-McNeil, or Eric Winston
-Carpenter or Lawson

In the first round

[Rack Bauer]

Arent you the same guy that Called Merriman a workout warrior


I would of never called him a workout warrior since his workouts weren't even that impressive.


I did say Ware could of possibly been a workout warrior.

[Rockytop6]

You just might consider a TE at 18 if you have been paying attention to the combine the past few days.

The freak of the combine award goes to..........

Vernon Davis..... ran a 4.38.

That's absolutely insane for a guy that's 6'3+ 255 pounds.

Add to that, the fact that he had 33 bench reps at 225 lbs is unbelievable for a TE.
That is only 4 fewer than defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, regarded as one of the strongest players in the draft.

Oh, and he dominated the blocking drills.
He is literally one of the best athletes to ever enter the draft, and in my opinion the best tight end prospect in NFL history by a large margin.

I would not be surprised to see him jump a whole lot of players on draft day and even end up in the top 8.

If Davis is there at # 18, I would take him in a New York minute. He will be a star. A lot of guys on this board want a WR. Well, Davis is far better than any WR in this draft. He and Witten together would be awesome.

[REDVOLUTION]

Even if its not Davis, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Cowboys draft a TE in Day 1. Its a phenomenal draft class for TE's, and with the Cowboys primarily running 2 TE sets its not like he's going to sit and rot behind Witten. Besides, Witten still isn't locked up long term and the offense is screwed if he gets hurt. He could be next year's Flozell.

I suppose you could play them together BUT... its like having a 2003 Mercedes and then getting a 2006 Mercedes. You dont really need them both. Too many other needs. I dont see it.

[Rack Bauer]

I suppose you could play them together BUT... its like having a 2003 Mercedes and then getting a 2006 Mercedes. You dont really need them both. Too many other needs. I dont see it.


I agree. Although I also agree with IR that we may draft a TE day 1, but it won't be in the first round.

I'm not saying Davis isn't good, but I think some of you have him severely overvalued.