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50cent
03-04-2006, 12:32 AM
My entire Big Board:



1. Reggie Bush, USC (6-0, 200, Junior) | previous rank: same
He will give the team that drafts him a multifaceted offensive attack. Bush will be dangerous from the backfield, as a slot receiver and in the return game.


2. Matt Leinart, QB, USC (6-4, 225) | previous rank: same
His arm strength has improved since last season, and he threw the ball even better in 2005. Leinart might not have repeated as the Heisman Trophy winner, but he makes plays when he has to. He should remain near the very top of the draft board.


3. Mario Williams, DE, NC State (6-7, 285, Junior) | previous rank: 4
A dominant physical presence who had some great individual performances at the end of the season. Williams is a big, strong pro-type defensive end and has all the skills NFL coaches are looking for as an every-down player.


4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia (6-5½, 295) | previous rank: 5
The top offensive lineman in this draft, Ferguson will be an ideal left tackle in the NFL.


5. Vince Young, QB, Texas (6-5, 233, Junior) | previous rank: 3
Young's stock has risen considerably since an amazing performance in the Rose Bowl. He's big, strong and exceptionally fast. The New Orleans Saints will have to consider taking him as the No. 2 pick in the draft.


6. Michael Huff, DB, Texas (6-1, 205) | previous rank: 7
Athletic and instinctive, he has shown the versatility to play cornerback or safety at the next level.


7. A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State (6-1½, 242) | previous rank: 6
The top defensive player in the senior class. An instinctive player and a sure tackler, he knows which angles to take to the ball and finds his way through traffic very well. Hawk should be able to help out a team right away.


8. Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland (6-3, 250, Junior) | previous rank: 9
Physically gifted athlete who plays the tight end like a wide receiver. Davis is a phenomenal pass catcher and is a better prospect than when Kellen Winslow came out of Miami.


9. DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis (5-9, 215) | previous rank: 8
An exceptional running back, especially since he did not play behind one of the best offensive lines. Could very well be a top-10 pick for a team that needs a running back who can do it all.


10. Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (6-5, 338, Junior) | previous rank: same
Ngata will be more than a defensive tackle who just clogs the interior because his strength and athleticism will allow him to penetrate and makes plays behind the line of scrimmage.


11. LenDale White, RB, USC (6-2, 235, Junior) | previous rank: same
He's big, strong and deceptively fast with a nose for the end zone. White will be a running back at the next level who can carry the ball 20-25 times a game.


12. Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech (6-2½, 207) | previous rank: 18
Gave the Hokies a shutdown cornerback who could lock up the opposing team's top receiver. He eliminates one side of the field. A former safety who moved to corner before the 2004 season.


13. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (5-11, 205, Junior) | previous rank: 15
A very good natural runner who is smooth and patient. Maroney allowed his blocks to get set up and develop and then showed a good burst of speed through openings. He has good vision and the ability to shift gears quickly.


14. Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State (6-0, 200, Junior) | previous rank: 16
Sims finished fourth on FSU with 70 tackles this season. He's an extremely fast 'backer who's used to being the focus of opposing offenses' game plans.


15. Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt (6-3¼, 227) | previous rank: 12
He's the next best QB in the senior class behind Leinart. Cutler has gone from being a potential first-round pick to possibly going in the top 10.


16. Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State (5-10, 185, Junior) | previous rank: 17
He is very tough and is willing to make catches in traffic. Holmes is a very good route runner and has a good burst out of his break. He doesn't have the greatest size, but toughness counts. He should be the first wide receiver taken off the board.


17. Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State, (6-3, 306) | previous rank: unranked
He was the story of the combine on the defensive side of the ball. He ran 4.99 in the 40-yard dash and bench pressed 225 pounds 44 times. He has a wide upper body and is quick on his feet. He also has a great attitude, and by his workouts, he's almost guaranteed to be a first-round pick.


18. Tye Hill, CB, Clemson (5-9½, 181) | previous rank: 19
Hill is not especially big, but he has long arms, phenomenal speed and great confidence. He had one of the better weeks at the Senior Bowl which should propel him into the first round.


19. Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State (6-3, 267) | previous rank: 13
He's the best senior defensive end in this draft. Hali's a natural pass-rusher who play with a lot of intensity and never takes a play off.


20. Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa (6-2½, 244) | previous rank: 14
He was one of the nation's topflight linebackers the last two years. A smart player with great physical skills, Greenway has a nose for the ball. He'll help out a team right away.


21. Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State (6-1, 188, Junior) | previous rank: 20
The first-team All-Big Ten selection has very good cover skills and excellent on-field intelligence.


22. Winston Justice, T, USC (6-6, 311, Junior) | previous rank: 21
A great athlete and very gifted, Justice is as good as any right tackle in the country at getting down field beyond the defensive line. He'll be able to play either tackle position in the NFL.


23. Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State (6-4, 248) | previous rank: unranked
He might be an outside linebacker in the right scheme. Wimbley ran a 4.63 which was a very good time and had a vertical leap of 38½ inches.


24. Chad Jackson, Florida, WR (6-1, 213, Junior) | previous rank: unranked
His times in the 40-yard dash were 4.32 and 4.37. Jackson caught the ball well and stood out among the receivers in Indianapolis. He's done everything the right way since the season ended and has moved himself into that first-round mix.


25. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia (6-7, 250, Junior) | previous rank: 24
He's an absolutely huge target and is a mismatch every time he's on the field. Georgia relied heavily on Pope in the passing game because he is a rare talent for a player of his size.


Dropped
DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama (6-1½, 235) | previous rank: 22
Has impressed in the Crimson Tide's biggest games this season. Ryans is a smart and fundamentally sound player who will be solid contributor at the next level.


Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, G, USC (6-6, 365) | previous rank: 23
A versatile offensive lineman who played tackle as a junior. Lutui has the potential to be a Pro-Bowl caliber offensive lineman.


Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State (6-3, 255) | previous rank: 25
Carpenter was consistent on a weekly basis. He has very good speed for a player of his size and will be able to help a team out either as an outside pass rusher or playing in the middle.
50cent
03-04-2006, 01:03 AM
Kamerion Wimberly is now in our range. No Lawson , but Carpenter would be there in a trade down.
Woods
03-04-2006, 01:31 AM
I still think Lawson will end up going in the top 25 this Draft.

How would you rank Lawson versus Carpenter?

Lawson probably has better pass rushing potential and maybe more upside though Carpenter could step in from Day 1 because he's more polished at the position. Also, who plays the run better in a 3-4?
Qwickdraw
03-04-2006, 02:10 AM
Lawson is a workout warrior, IMO.
There are better selections at 18.
neosapien23
03-04-2006, 02:10 AM
I still think Lawson will end up going in the top 25 this Draft.

How would you rank Lawson versus Carpenter?

Lawson probably has better pass rushing potential and maybe more upside though Carpenter could step in from Day 1 because he's more polished at the position. Also, who plays the run better in a 3-4?

Where the heck is Lawson on Kiper's board? He a much better time than Wimberly and his production is very similar. Maybe Kiper thinks Lawson is a workout warrior and will fizzle out in the NFL.
Z-Man
03-04-2006, 02:34 AM
Lawson is a workout warrior, IMO.
There are better selections at 18.
Actually, a workout warrior is a term defined as a player who has good workout numbers but doesn't make plays on the field.

Lawson had 20.5 sacks over 4 years (while only starting 2 years)
196 total tackles
39.5 tackles for loss
16 passes broken up
5 forced fumbles
7 blocked kicks
and he had 14 quarterback hurries in 2005

That's hardly the stats of a "workout warrior" :rolleyes:
Z-Man
03-04-2006, 03:02 AM
Where the heck is Lawson on Kiper's board? He a much better time than Wimberly and his production is very similar. Maybe Kiper thinks Lawson is a workout warrior and will fizzle out in the NFL.
Wimbley had worse workout numbers than Lawson and his stats over 4 years are not even close:
12 sacks
108 tackles
23 tfl
6 pd
2 ff


His 2005 stats also pale in comparison.
Wimbley : 26t 11tfl 7.5s 4pd 17qbh
Lawson : 58t 19.5tfl 10.5s 4pd 14qbh

combine-
Wimbley : 6-3.7 248 4.61 38½ vertical
Lawson : 6-5.3 241 4.43 39½ vertical
Dough Boy
03-04-2006, 06:44 AM
Lawson is a workout warrior, IMO.
There are better selections at 18.
Have you ever watched Lawson play? Did you by chance have the opportunity to watch the Sr. Bowl practices?
Dough Boy
03-04-2006, 06:56 AM
Wimbley had worse workout numbers than Lawson and his stats over 4 years are not even close:
12 sacks
108 tackles
23 tfl
6 pd
2 ff


His 2005 stats also pale in comparison.
Wimbley : 26t 11tfl 7.5s 4pd 17qbh
Lawson : 58t 19.5tfl 10.5s 4pd 14qbh

combine-
Wimbley : 6-3.7 248 4.61 38½ vertical
Lawson : 6-5.3 241 4.43 39½ vertical

Great comparison. Wimbely missed about 3 games in 2005 b/c of an ankle injury. He did come back for the Bowl game.

My mine concern with Wimbley, he only started 1 season. FSU is a hard place to crack the starting lineup, b/c they do recruit well. That being said, he shared time with some other guys that I would draft. Wimbely is a lot like Ware in that he came to FSU weighing 190 lbs. I think the transition from High School to College was easier for Ware was easier in part b/c the level of competition he faced day one was a little inferior to what Wimbely faced. A 190 lb DE in the ACC is not going to cut it. To Wimbley's credit, he did gain the weight and turned into a heck of a player.

Wimbely's stat don't speak to his upside. I think a lot of ppl are going to be surprised by Wimbely's draft status. A lot of Mocks have him now going in the first round after his combine performance, ala, Ware and Merriman. The one year Wimbley did start, he was a beast on the field. I watched the game vs Miami and he was too much for Winston to handle. I think he had a couple of sacks, a hand full of pressures and made plays all over the field.

I think his celling is as high as any 3-4 edge rusher in this draft.

FYI: I like Lawson also.
Typhus
03-04-2006, 07:23 AM
I still think Lawson will end up going in the top 25 this Draft.

How would you rank Lawson versus Carpenter?

Lawson probably has better pass rushing potential and maybe more upside though Carpenter could step in from Day 1 because he's more polished at the position. Also, who plays the run better in a 3-4?


Everyone gets caught up in the obvious and nothing is wrong with that.
That said, I don't think we can go wrong with either of these guys.
Lawson is a freak by nature and his stock is growing by the second.
He runs a 4.49 forty, has a 45 inch verticle, and can get to the Qb.
The verdict is still out on how he covers in space..

Carpenter, gets over shadowed by fellow LB Hawk. Although, he too runs a 4.5,(even though he didnt work out at the combine), doesn't have quite the vert that Lawson has, but how many do?
He can cover in space and get to the Qb. Can't go wrong.

Greenway on the other hand only hurt his stock by working out at the combine,, he had a terrible week, and slid down most boards.
But still he was very productive as well. Touted as the best coverage LB going into the season, he too can get to the QB. The kid runs well and is perfect for the 3-4. So what seperates them? Not much!
dwmyers
03-04-2006, 07:26 AM
Somebody posted a long article on Kamerion on these pages a while back. The thing about Wimbley are excellent character elements. His bio is almost Ware-like in terms of character positives.

If big D is determined to draft Boy Scouts, Wimbley is right on the mark. But if the "next LT" is the goal, you should be drafting for sheer athletic talent, not the ability to quote the pledge of allegience.

:rolleyes:
Chuck 54
03-04-2006, 07:32 AM
Unless we become enamored with WR from Florida or an offensive lineman, we will trade down in round 1, but probably not out of round 1.
EMMITSWIFT
03-04-2006, 07:36 AM
Lawson is a workout warrior, IMO.
There are better selections at 18.wow , another one who thought ware was better than merriman last year . :bang2::banghead::bang2:
Nors
03-04-2006, 07:53 AM
go watch some Lawson gametape or Senior Bowl workouts - you are offbase

Wimbley is a PLAYER that will go in round 2 and may sneak into the first. We'll be lucky to draft him - good fit and player.

25. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia (6-73/4, 256, Junior) | 4.62 40 - previous rank: 24
He's an absolutely huge target and is a mismatch every time he's on the field. Georgia relied heavily on Pope in the passing game because he is a rare talent for a player of his size
big dog cowboy
03-04-2006, 07:55 AM
Trade down a few spots. Four day one picks. :D
Typhus
03-04-2006, 08:00 AM
I wish we would get Campbell resigned, if not, than T.E. will be a day one pick for sure.
Not saying thats a bad thing, because this draft class is loaded with T.E. talent, moreso this year than in over a decade, but I like having options, and having our blocking T.E. signed, covers atleast one area of need going into the draft.
Nors
03-04-2006, 08:13 AM
I wish we would get Campbell resigned, if not, than T.E. will be a day one pick for sure.
Not saying thats a bad thing, because this draft class is loaded with T.E. talent, moreso this year than in over a decade, but I like having options, and having our blocking T.E. signed, covers atleast one area of need going into the draft.


Campbell sucked last year - we can replace his two catches and bad blocking. AGING AND OFF 4TH GROIN SURGERY - PASS



Davis, Pope @ #18 ARE A VERY VALID DRAFT OPTION.:D
big dog cowboy
03-04-2006, 08:25 AM
Campbell sucked last year - we can replace his two catches and bad blocking.
Yes it did. That can be replaced. JMO but we wouldn't have to go TE at 18 to do it either.
junk
03-04-2006, 08:51 AM
Everyone gets caught up in the obvious and nothing is wrong with that.
That said, I don't think we can go wrong with either of these guys.
Lawson is a freak by nature and his stock is growing by the second.
He runs a 4.49 forty, has a 45 inch verticle, and can get to the Qb.
The verdict is still out on how he covers in space..

Carpenter, gets over shadowed by fellow LB Hawk. Although, he too runs a 4.5,(even though he didnt work out at the combine), doesn't have quite the vert that Lawson has, but how many do?
He can cover in space and get to the Qb. Can't go wrong.

Greenway on the other hand only hurt his stock by working out at the combine,, he had a terrible week, and slid down most boards.
But still he was very productive as well. Touted as the best coverage LB going into the season, he too can get to the QB. The kid runs well and is perfect for the 3-4. So what seperates them? Not much!

I don't like Greenway at all as a 3-4 linebacker. I am thinking he is there when Dallas picks and they should pass. Not a big fan of a strong side backer whose major knock is that he doesn't take on blockers well. Sounds like DJ. Not to mention the fact that he lacked definition at the combine and was pretty terrible in the 40 and bench. I see him as a Derrick Brooks Cover 2 weakside type LB.

Lawson has huge upside, but has to go through a position change. He might be looking lost out there for a bit although he might have the better overall career by the time it is said and done.

You could probably just plug Carpenter in at the strong side LB position in camp and forget about it for the next 10 years.
DLCassidy
03-04-2006, 09:03 AM
Campbell sucked last year - we can replace his two catches and bad blocking. AGING AND OFF 4TH GROIN SURGERY - PASS



Davis, Pope @ #18 ARE A VERY VALID DRAFT OPTION.:D

Nors I understand you want more production out of the 2nd TE but to me taking a TE that early is a true luxury pick. By that I mean OLB and a backup guard that can play both guard positions (maybe RT in a pinch) and can be expected to take over next year for LA would have to be priorities over another TE. I'm hoping Charles Spencer lasts until our 2nd pick. If we want an OLB we need to take one in the 1st round. Witten is a top TE receiving threat. If we don't bring back Campbell we need the 2nd guy to be a strong blocker. I think we'll be looking at TE in the 5th round with a guy from Auburn by the name of Cooper Wallace.
Typhus
03-04-2006, 09:05 AM
I don't like Greenway at all as a 3-4 linebacker. I am thinking he is there when Dallas picks and they should pass. Not a big fan of a strong side backer whose major knock is that he doesn't take on blockers well. Sounds like DJ. Not to mention the fact that he lacked definition at the combine and was pretty terrible in the 40 and bench. I see him as a Derrick Brooks Cover 2 weakside type LB.

Lawson has huge upside, but has to go through a position change. He might be looking lost out there for a bit although he might have the better overall career by the time it is said and done.

You could probably just plug Carpenter in at the strong side LB position in camp and forget about it for the next 10 years.

Agree 100%.
The question is, if Carpenter is indeed the target on D-Day, will BP and JJ risk moving down from 18 to grap carpenter near the bottom of the first, or just pull the trigger and take the sure deal at 18, despite the reach.
proline
03-04-2006, 09:14 AM
The problem with Lawson is that he is too light for an NFL DE, and he has never PROVEN that he can play LB at a high level. He didn't start his two years at LB in college, except for 2 two games. So he's a tweener, and will have to either go to a team that can make use of him in that way (i.e. 3rd down pass rush specialist), or to a team that will give him the time to develop into (hopefully) a solid NFL LB.
AMERICAS_FAN
03-04-2006, 09:15 AM
With talk of a possible trade-down, Dallas may be targeting a guy like Winston Justice, T, USC (6-6, 311, Junior). That' because we have no RT on the roster and the pickings in free agency are slim. And if for some reason Flo's come-back comes with mixed reviews, a guy like Jatice - someone who can play both OT positions - will be invaluable.

AF
InmanRoshi
03-04-2006, 09:17 AM
I think we'll probably trade back and get one of those tweeners. I would like to sign McGinnest to a 2 year contract to play immediately and help ease the draft pick into the lineup. McGinnest would make a great mentor the draft pick and Ware. It would be good mix of youth and experience.
junk
03-04-2006, 09:22 AM
Agree 100%.
The question is, if Carpenter is indeed the target on D-Day, will BP and JJ risk moving down from 18 to grap carpenter near the bottom of the first, or just pull the trigger and take the sure deal at 18, despite the reach.

As much as I love Carpenter, I probably would try to move back if someone was willing to move up. Swap for Denver's 29 and their second?

There are some other prospects as well that could probably fill the role. Wimbley, Lawson, Mark Anderson, Stanley McClover.

As InmanRoshi said, if going with any of those guys, I'd want a vet in there to ease the transition though.

I think Carpenter could step in during camp and handle the role, but the depth at OLB is woefully thin.
CaptainAmerica
03-04-2006, 10:03 AM
In a year when we are looking for LBers in the draft, I have a comment about one of them.

I know we are now a 3-4 team and Bill is looking for big LBers, but I can tell you with certainty, that there aren't many LBers in this draft better than Demeco Ryans out of Bama.

I wish he was a little bigger, because he is a guy who is ALWAYS in the right place, is ALWAYS coming up with the big hit, understands the game and is a GREAT character guy/ team leader.

He has so many qualities, some team is going to get themselves a real good football player in the latter part of round one.

In my opinion he is a bigger, more athletic version of Dat.
ddh33
03-04-2006, 01:14 PM
Wimbley is my guy, at this point. I just like him better than the other tweeners in this draft. I wish Lawson were a little thicker.
CrazyCowboy
03-04-2006, 02:09 PM
Carpenter may be avail in the 2nd rd?
Typhus
03-04-2006, 02:50 PM
Carpenter may be avail in the 2nd rd?

Possibly, but I doubt it.
I would say as of right now, yes, since he was unable to work out at the combine due to him still recovering from the ankle injury, but he will still get a private workout in Ohio, so his stock should escalate the closer we get to the draft, barring any set backs with his ankle he should end up lower first round, 20-28.
Typhus
03-04-2006, 02:54 PM
As much as I love Carpenter, I probably would try to move back if someone was willing to move up. Swap for Denver's 29 and their second?

There are some other prospects as well that could probably fill the role. Wimbley, Lawson, Mark Anderson, Stanley McClover.

As InmanRoshi said, if going with any of those guys, I'd want a vet in there to ease the transition though.

I think Carpenter could step in during camp and handle the role, but the depth at OLB is woefully thin.

Since we are just dreaming here,, how about our first and Ellis for both of Denvers firsts...:D Hey,, it could happen........ :pray2:
neosapien23
03-04-2006, 02:59 PM
Since we are just dreaming here,, how about our first and Ellis for both of Denvers firsts...:D Hey,, it could happen........ :pray2:

We could probably pull that trade off if Dallas throws in their second round pick and Denver throws in their 4th. They are going to need a DE now that Pryce is gone and Ellis has an extremey affordable contract. They might want our higher number 1 to draft either Jackson or Holmes.
REDVOLUTION
03-04-2006, 03:00 PM
I think we'll probably trade back and get one of those tweeners. I would like to sign McGinnest to a 2 year contract to play immediately and help ease the draft pick into the lineup. McGinnest would make a great mentor the draft pick and Ware. It would be good mix of youth and experience.

I know McGuinnest is an older player... but the guy is still solid. 2 years works for me. Think of what he could do for Ware(opportunities) and what Ware can do for McGuinnest(take a few years of his playing ability by creating opps for him....
Typhus
03-04-2006, 03:05 PM
We could probably pull that trade off if Dallas throws in their second round pick and Denver throws in their 4th. They are going to need a DE now that Pryce is gone and Ellis has an extremey affordable contract. They might want our higher number 1 to draft either Jackson or Holmes.

A 2nd is a pretty high price, but I would do a 3rd for their fourth in that deal no problem.