I wonder what would have happened if Wilfork...

[Juke99]

hadn't been selected at 21?

I am still freaking out over yesterday. Yeah yeah, I know, we got blah blah blah...and we are building for the future....but for a second, humor me....

The 22 pick yesterday was better than your average 22. The reason? Jackson was the best rated RB, clearly...at the same time, our biggest need just happened to be RB...and to my eyes, he was also arguably the best player available at that time...

So..that said, it wasn't your "average" 22nd pick we traded away yesterday....it had more value than usual because of what I just wrote above.

This business of assigning point values to picks, etc, is ludicrous because of the above. If the best guy at his position, and arguably the best player available, is on the board AND he happens to play a position that is your WEAKEST, it's a no brainer...the circumstances actually magnified his value.

OK...I swear, I'll leave it alone now...I promise...honest. :D

[Yeagermeister]

hadn't been selected at 21?

I am still freaking out over yesterday. Yeah yeah, I know, we got blah blah blah...and we are building for the future....but for a second, humor me....

The 22 pick yesterday was better than your average 22. The reason? Jackson was the best rated RB, clearly...at the same time, our biggest need just happened to be RB...and to my eyes, he was also arguably the best player available at that time...

So..that said, it wasn't your "average" 22nd pick we traded away yesterday....it had more value than usual because of what I just wrote above.

This business of assigning point values to picks, etc, is ludicrous because of the above. If the best guy at his position, and arguably the best player available, is on the board AND he happens to play a position that is your WEAKEST, it's a no brainer...the circumstances actually magnified his value.

OK...I swear, I'll leave it alone now...I promise...honest. :D

We'd be wondering who we'd have at rb.

[Rude]

hadn't been selected at 21?

I am still freaking out over yesterday. Yeah yeah, I know, we got blah blah blah...and we are building for the future....but for a second, humor me....

The 22 pick yesterday was better than your average 22. The reason? Jackson was the best rated RB, clearly...at the same time, our biggest need just happened to be RB...and to my eyes, he was also arguably the best player available at that time...

So..that said, it wasn't your "average" 22nd pick we traded away yesterday....it had more value than usual because of what I just wrote above.

This business of assigning point values to picks, etc, is ludicrous because of the above. If the best guy at his position, and arguably the best player available, is on the board AND he happens to play a position that is your WEAKEST, it's a no brainer...the circumstances actually magnified his value.

OK...I swear, I'll leave it alone now...I promise...honest. :D
Completly agree with you

[Rack Bauer]

We would of taken Wilfork, and landed JJones at 52 (most likely).

[Juke99]

We would of taken Wilfork, and landed JJones at 52 (most likely).


Isn't that wild how one selection got the ball rolling...that's why the draft is so great and also so torturous.

[walrus]

Too bad NE traded for Dillion, because at 21 they would have a hard decision between jackson and wilfork. They might have taken Jackson...oh what could have been a draft for this year ended up been a draft for next hopefully.

[TheHustler]

hadn't been selected at 21?

I am still freaking out over yesterday. Yeah yeah, I know, we got blah blah blah...and we are building for the future....but for a second, humor me....

The 22 pick yesterday was better than your average 22. The reason? Jackson was the best rated RB, clearly...at the same time, our biggest need just happened to be RB...and to my eyes, he was also arguably the best player available at that time...

So..that said, it wasn't your "average" 22nd pick we traded away yesterday....it had more value than usual because of what I just wrote above.

This business of assigning point values to picks, etc, is ludicrous because of the above. If the best guy at his position, and arguably the best player available, is on the board AND he happens to play a position that is your WEAKEST, it's a no brainer...the circumstances actually magnified his value.

OK...I swear, I'll leave it alone now...I promise...honest. :D

just b/c jackson was the best RB in this draft, doesnt mean he was worth the 22. thats why he dropped all the way down to the rams.

[Juke99]

just b/c jackson was the best RB in this draft, doesnt mean he was worth the 22. thats why he dropped all the way down to the rams.


Well to my way of thinking, when the best guy available happens to also fit your biggest need, his value is magnified.

[LaTunaNostra]

hadn't been selected at 21?

I am still freaking out over yesterday. Yeah yeah, I know, we got blah blah blah...and we are building for the future....but for a second, humor me....

The 22 pick yesterday was better than your average 22. The reason? Jackson was the best rated RB, clearly...at the same time, our biggest need just happened to be RB...and to my eyes, he was also arguably the best player available at that time...

So..that said, it wasn't your "average" 22nd pick we traded away yesterday....it had more value than usual because of what I just wrote above.

This business of assigning point values to picks, etc, is ludicrous because of the above. If the best guy at his position, and arguably the best player available, is on the board AND he happens to play a position that is your WEAKEST, it's a no brainer...the circumstances actually magnified his value.

OK...I swear, I'll leave it alone now...I promise...honest. :D

Juke, you were right to point out yesterday, ad infinitum, that we did NOT get two extra picks by trading the first to Buffalo. We got ONE extra late round pick.

However, two firsts next year gives us the option of packaging them to move up for a true imapct player, perhaps even a true elite, top tier runner, IF the need be there. I don't know what tails are coming out next year, but regardless, it could be the missing piece edge rusher, or the Pro Bowl replacement for Coakley we get next year because this year, the FO decided that Jackson wasn' that big a difference over Jones.

Tho most analysts had Jackson rated as the best tail, nowhere, but NOWHERE did I see a credible source call him an elite back. Not his speed, nor his vision, not his cuts, nor his outside running, explosiveness, break away talent. In NONE of the above categories did I see him rated as a top tier, elite, back.

He is a good all around back. But at 22, a LOW first round pick, he was a reach, regardless of the need. 31 other teams 'proved' that.

The circumstances (need) may have magnified his value, but that is always the excuse for reaching. The best of a poor crop still might be mediocre.

"We" did the right thing, not just the expedient thing. Next year when a true impact player is attainable because of that trade to the Bills...

[Juke99]

Juke, you were right to point out yesterday, ad infinitum, that we did NOT get two extra picks by trading the first to Buffalo. We got ONE extra late round pick.

However, two firsts next year gives us the option of packaging them to move up for a true imapct player, perhaps even a true elite, top tier runner, IF the need be there. I don't know what tails are coming out next year, but regardless, it could be the missing piece edge rusher, or the Pro Bowl replacement for Coakley we get next year because this year, the FO decided that Jackson wasn' that big a difference over Jones.

Tho most analysts had Jackson rated as the best tail, nowhere, but NOWHERE did I see a credible source call him an elite back. Not his speed, nor his vision, not his cuts, nor his outside running, explosiveness, break away talent. In NONE of the above categories did I see him rated as a top tier, elite, back.

He is a good all around back. But at 22, a LOW first round pick, he was a reach, regardless of the need. 31 other teams 'proved' that.

The circumstances (need) may have magnified his value, but that is always the excuse for reaching. The best of a poor crop still might be mediocre.

"We" did the right thing, not just the expedient thing. Next year when a true impact player is attainable because of that trade to the Bills...


Uh, Julius Jones was a reach.

At the same time that NO one, including myself, had S Jackson in the class of Bo Jackson, No one, including you, would have imagined he'd be available.

Peterman was a reach. As my guess, so was Rogers.

As I posted yesterday, slightly less than ad infinitum, I want to see a list of all those people who were HOPING we'd pass on Jackson when he was available to us. Sure, after the fact, the spin meisters came out like but I doubt than even 10% of the people here (and EVERY announcer) expected we'd do what we did.

Thorton was a reach.

To further my point, NOW I read about the long haul....and rebuilding...a year after, smoke and mirrors brought us a playoff position....a year in which we took valuable playing time away from Vollers, Tucker, Collins, A Bryant, J Martin etc...cut Swinton and Dantzler and ended up with a guy who is eligible for AARP as a kick returner...also a year after we passed on Henson in the draft only to trade for him....now we are rebuilding.

Looks to me like Jerry is still up to his flavor of the day style of ownership.

Other than that, I'm thrilled. :D

[LaTunaNostra]

Uh, Julius Jones was a reach.

Not on MY board, or Bill's/Jerry's. He was an early second round value, imho. I really believe he has more TALENT than Jackson, who is the more accomplished (as of now) all around back. But I think the same of K Jones and Mo Clarett, and Tatum Bell.

At the same time that NO one, including myself, had S Jackson in the class of Bo Jackson, No one, including you, would have imagined he'd be available.

Umm, go check my value board at the old site. He wasn't on my top 32. I thought ANY team that took him in the first was caving to the idea "some tail has to be worth a first". I'm just glad it wasn't us. I wanted GREG JONES before SJ. :p

http://mazevo.com/mazevo/sm.x?c=dallascowboys&f=mockdraftboard&m=407


Peterman was a reach. As my guess, so was Rogers.

I had Rogers going in the FIRST. He was a STEAL, imo. Peterman I never got around to ranking, but he seems like decent value where he was taken to me right now.

http://mazevo.com/mazevo/sm.x?c=dallascowboys&f=mockdraftboard&m=406

As I posted yesterday, slightly less than ad infinitum, I want to see a list of all those people who were HOPING we'd pass on Jackson when he was available to us. Sure, after the fact, the spin meisters came out like but I doubt than even 10% of the people here (and EVERY announcer) expected we'd do what we did.

Here I am, and the archive will back me up.

"Two most over valued players in the draft: Jackson, and Vilma," who of course was the Jets pick. LMAO (that was pretty much well known by the need of the week)

Thorton was a reach.

Maybe. But not if ST and competition for starter was your frame of ref. Reaching is for need over potential, and that means perception of potential. A draft pick by definition is a "prospect", even, a "project". At least that's how it used to be before FA and th cap made every pick a must start in year one!

To further my point, NOW I read about the long haul....and rebuilding...a year after, smoke and mirrors brought us a playoff position....a year in which we took valuable playing time away from Vollers, Tucker, Collins, A Bryant, J Martin etc...cut Swinton and Dantzler and ended up with a guy who is eligible for AARP as a kick returner...also a year after we passed on Henson in the draft only to trade for him....now we are rebuilding.

Rebuilding under Bill is never going to mean all youth. It will always be a mix of vets and kids, and the right interplay. I saw Bill play MORE youth last season than at any time in his coahing career.

I believe NO kid saw less time last year because of the playoff run. In fact, Witten probably got on the field faster because of it, and had Bryant just held on to more balls, he'd have seen more time too. The young linemen's time was not limited because of the play off run. In the best of cases, Young's knees woudl have held up, he would have played full time, and they'd have seen less tiem than they did. Martin wasn't on the bench because he's young, but because Anderson is more versatile. Rebuild or SB year, Tuna is going to play it that way. He won't have even the best blocking fb on the field on every down.

There is only one thing went down last year I see as falling victim to the "smoke and mirrors" run. And that was the playbook expansion and the
development of Quincy.

[Juke99]

I spent 19.95 for Mel Kiper's book. Until I spend the same for yours, I am following his.

..unless you promise to wear the same hair style. :D

Let's just leave it alone for now...I am even beginning to bore myself.