Redskin cuts

[Wimbo]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15756
The players released are as follows:


Matt Bowen, S
Walt Harris, CB
Brandon Noble, DT
Cory Raymer, C
Tom Tupa, P

[Woods]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15756
The players released are as follows:


Matt Bowen, S
Walt Harris, CB
Brandon Noble, DT
Cory Raymer, C
Tom Tupa, P

And now they are under the cap?

[Bledsoe4MVP]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15756
The players released are as follows:


Matt Bowen, S
Walt Harris, CB
Brandon Noble, DT
Cory Raymer, C
Tom Tupa, P

Harris will hurt, the others aren't such a big deal. I just realized what a dinosaur Tom Tupa is, I can't believe he's still in this league.

[AsthmaField]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15756
The players released are as follows:


Matt Bowen, S
Walt Harris, CB
Brandon Noble, DT
Cory Raymer, C
Tom Tupa, P

Matt Bowen, S - Meh... no big deal

Walt Harris, CB - Hurts the depth, but he was no longer a starter. If Rogers goes down... they'll miss Walt quite a bit. They might miss him in the capacity of a nickel corner anyway.

Brandon Noble, DT - The Ol' blocker magnet never really got cranked up in DC. He played very little, so no, they won't miss him... However, he represents yet another free agent blunder by the Skins. This is exactly the kind of signing that keeps the Redskins from being able to say they came out a winner instead of going into cap hell. No, they didn't go into cap hell... but all the big dollars they spent on free agency the past 5 years or so (Noble, Deion, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Gardner, Barrow, Trotter, L. Coles, Hall, Morton, etc.) did no good because only a select few of those free agents ever did anything at all. They spent all this money and it did them NO good. Almost every one stunk in DC. The fact that they didn't have to go into cap hell because of all those players merely keeps it from being a double whammy. Had Snyder paid big bucks, then had them not do crap in DC, then had to suffer cap hell for it all... that might've been too much for little Danny's mind to handle. As it is... they wasted a lot of money, have nothing to show for it, and the good news is they're starting from zero instead of negative. :laugh2:

Cory Raymer, C - Not a good player, that's for sure. However, they now have zero depth at center. How is that okay?

Tom Tupa, P - Healthy, he's still a very good punter. Are they happy with who they have punting? I'm not sure, so they may or may not miss Tupa.

All in all, not terribly bad for the skins... but don't let them fool you. These cuts merely represents the end of a terrible half decade of personell acquisitions... not any kind of win for that poor franchise.

[Nors]

danny continues to use his 7 cap lives

[clayman]

Matt Bowen, S - Meh... no big deal

Walt Harris, CB - Hurts the depth, but he was no longer a starter. If Rogers goes down... they'll miss Walt quite a bit. They might miss him in the capacity of a nickel corner anyway.

Brandon Noble, DT - The Ol' blocker magnet never really got cranked up in DC. He played very little, so no, they won't miss him... However, he represents yet another free agent blunder by the Skins. This is exactly the kind of signing that keeps the Redskins from being able to say they came out a winner instead of going into cap hell. No, they didn't go into cap hell... but all the big dollars they spent on free agency the past 5 years or so (Noble, Deion, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Gardner, Barrow, Trotter, L. Coles, Hall, Morton, etc.) did no good because only a select few of those free agents ever did anything at all. They spent all this money and it did them NO good. Almost every one stunk in DC. The fact that they didn't have to go into cap hell because of all those players merely keeps it from being a double whammy. Had Snyder paid big bucks, then had them not do crap in DC, then had to suffer cap hell for it all... that might've been too much for little Danny's mind to handle. As it is... they wasted a lot of money, have nothing to show for it, and the good news is they're starting from zero instead of negative. :laugh2:

Cory Raymer, C - Not a good player, that's for sure. However, they now have zero depth at center. How is that okay?

Tom Tupa, P - Healthy, he's still a very good punter. Are they happy with who they have punting? I'm not sure, so they may or may not miss Tupa.

All in all, not terribly bad for the skins... but don't let them fool you. These cuts merely represents the end of a terrible half decade of personell acquisitions... not any kind of win for that poor franchise.


YOu had me before the ending....Momma always said bitter is as bitter does.

[5Stars]

No, the Redskins will be alright! Just ask them!

While everyone else in the NFL will be eating a different dinner this year, the Redskins will be eating the same old left over crap they had last year. :laugh1:

[Cowboy4ever]

I been reading the ES Board,, Forgive me please,, but they are acting like they have 40 mil in cap room now lol.. "all it took was 4 or 5 cuts from players we didn't use and we are good now,, bring on the FA's" And I am thinking,, uhhhh,, u guys are about 1.5 mil under after Lavar and this round of cuts.. not even enough to sign your draft picks,, let alone pay for a practise squad,, and def not enough to go shopping.. they still have some serious work to do before they can get enough cap room to do anything in FA

[Woods]

I been reading the ES Board,, Forgive me please,, but they are acting like they have 40 mil in cap room now lol.. "all it took was 4 or 5 cuts from players we didn't use and we are good now,, bring on the FA's" And I am thinking,, uhhhh,, u guys are about 1.5 mil under after Lavar and this round of cuts.. not even enough to sign your draft picks,, let alone pay for a practise squad,, and def not enough to go shopping.. they still have some serious work to do before they can get enough cap room to do anything in FA


They will probably announce yet another contract restructuring . . . . :banghead:

[Cowboy Junkie]

looks like the Redkins took out the trash and that is about it....

[5Stars]

I been reading the ES Board,, Forgive me please,, but they are acting like they have 40 mil in cap room now lol.. "all it took was 4 or 5 cuts from players we didn't use and we are good now,, bring on the FA's" And I am thinking,, uhhhh,, u guys are about 1.5 mil under after Lavar and this round of cuts.. not even enough to sign your draft picks,, let alone pay for a practise squad,, and def not enough to go shopping.. they still have some serious work to do before they can get enough cap room to do anything in FA

But, you see, the Redstinks made the playoffs last year! And, they are bringing back the same team this year, minus some serious depth...so they are going to the SuperBowl this year!

What is funny is, while the rest of the NFL are REALLY going to upgrade their team, the Redstinks are bringing back the same old tired one year wonder players of last year!

;)

[Cowboy Junkie]

I can see it now the Sking sign the first FA and grossly over pay....
Like WR Randel EL 8Yrs 10mill ... I could see that..

[5Stars]

Does anyone even know the schedule for the Boyz and the Redskins this year? The Redstinks say they are bringing back the same old team, but I would really like to know who they are playing this year, so that I can see what THOSE teams are doing, as far as upgrades to their teams!

What I think that those fans are doing is living in last year, and they are not really looking at the big picture...things change, and they are happy with the same old thing....

:laugh1:

[AsthmaField]

YOu had me before the ending....Momma always said bitter is as bitter does.


I wasn't trying to "have" you. I guess your momma didn't tell you that all negative words aren't bitterness or envy... sometimes it just the plain truth.

The end, as you put it, is merely saying that from 1999 to 2004 Snyder made some really bad personell decisions and spent a whole boatload of money for nothing. That's the truth. Why would I be bitter about that? Frankly, I'm glad it happened to the Redskins and not someone else. Seriously, why would I be bitter about that?

Dallas has beaten the Redskins what, like 14 out of the last 17 times. Dallas has way more money to spend in free agency without restructuring or cutting anyone other than a NT that was about 40 pounds too light and just didn't fit our scheme. The Redskins are having to cut players and continue to push more money forward so they can even get below the cap. If they do that enough, they might be able to sign a player or two. Dallas has a first round pick while Washington doesn't.

I honestly can't think of one reason why I would be bitter towards the Redskins. I've even pulled for them to get better so we could have a rivalry again like the good ol' days, instead of just a whipping boy for us to get two wins a year.

The only thing that bothers me at all in any way regarding the Redskins is their fans who suddenly act like they're 25 million below the cap and will sign about 5 top tier free agents. :laugh2:

[riggo]

No, the Redskins will be alright! Just ask them!

While everyone else in the NFL will be eating a different dinner this year, the Redskins will be eating the same old left over crap they had last year. :laugh1:

which was a sweep of the boys and eagles and a trip to the playoffs .

your confidence is appreciated.

[Idgit]

danny continues to use his 7 cap lives

Bah! He's taking his poison in sips. He's playing for keeps, with handcuffs on. He's hopping up and down over regular season victories and asking his HoF coach to win it all, wearing cap-shackles.

If you can't sign good players without cutting players, if you can't keep your number one draft picks and your high-priced RFAs on your roster, if you insist on mortgaging future flexibility to cover present-day bad risks, you need to be doubly-sure every roster change you do make pans out because you're limiting your team in ways your similarly-talented competition isn't.

The only interpretation of that chain of events that doesn't consider it to be 'cap hell' comes from a team or a fan base that's grown accustomed to losing and, so, doesn't recognize hell when they're in it. It's the difference between throwing a frog in boiling water, and boiling it a degree at a time.

Jerry needs to buy the Redskins a big screen tv so he can watch us in the post-season from home. We'll see how hellish their cap situation looks once the FA signing period is over.

[MrRedskin28]

Did you'all hear Vinnie Cerrato on NFL Total Acsess?

He said the Our Private Jets aka the Air Snyders will be REALLY BUSY when FA starts!


:D Thats all for now! :)

HTTR!

[Cowboy4ever]

Here is my question for all the Redskiners on here.. at the start of the day, you guys were 4.9 million OVER the cap.. after you cut the players today, that makes ya about even.. So realistically.. you guys have to come up with 10-11 million in additional savings to have any shot at one big name FA.. I think the Redskins are looking more for middle of the pack type players to provide some death..and with no #1 this year.. the draft is not going to help you guys that much. You can be in denial about cap hell.. and you might be right in the fact that you can at least buy something in the store.. but it sure is nice to shop the entire store and not just the bargin bin.. ..

[clayman]

Here is my question for all the Redskiners on here.. at the start of the day, you guys were 4.9 million OVER the cap.. after you cut the players today, that makes ya about even.. So realistically.. you guys have to come up with 10-11 million in additional savings to have any shot at one big name FA.. I think the Redskins are looking more for middle of the pack type players to provide some death..and with no #1 this year.. the draft is not going to help you guys that much. You can be in denial about cap hell.. and you might be right in the fact that you can at least buy something in the store.. but it sure is nice to shop the entire store and not just the bargin bin.. ..

Adam said they could be 15mil under so I doubt thats bargain basement....just being realistic with the numbers as they could have over half of what we have...but will we spend all 25mil or so? doubtbully but they will prob spend most of theirs.

[seoulman]

Actually that's not true. The Redskins have traditionally been extremely creative in their ability to manipulate the cap and sign big name free agents. Snyder definitely gambled the last few years and counted on a new CBA...a gamble he won. The fact of the matter remains that he will be able to continue to structure contracts in the same way he has been since he became owner. We will be probably a few mil under the cap once we trade Ramsey and if we get a few of our vets to restructure (which we will do), we will have enough money to go after some free agents. We don't need 10-11 mil to go after a big name by the way, especially if we can spread the bonus over multiple years the way we have in the past.

[Cowboy4ever]

Actually that's not true. The Redskins have traditionally been extremely creative in their ability to manipulate the cap and sign big name free agents. Snyder definitely gambled the last few years and counted on a new CBA...a gamble he won. The fact of the matter remains that he will be able to continue to structure contracts in the same way he has been since he became owner. We will be probably a few mil under the cap once we trade Ramsey and if we get a few of our vets to restructure (which we will do), we will have enough money to go after some free agents. We don't need 10-11 mil to go after a big name by the way, especially if we can spread the bonus over multiple years the way we have in the past.

Well after all is said and done,, and you guys end up say 11 under,, about 3-4 goes for draft class.. that leaves 7-8.. then a practise squad and you cant spend all of it now,, you mihgt have an injury and need to bring somoene else on board.. so lets say you end up with 6 million to spend in Fa.. that's not a lot to ge ta lot done. From what i have heard.. you guys are talking about signing Randal el.. peterson, carter and venitari.. no way that gets done with 6 million is my point.. realistically, you get one.. then some mid level backups.

[MrRedskin28]

We'll have to see when FA begins right?


Are the reports true that y'all gonna cut MeShawn and sign MeO?

[seoulman]

I think there is just a lot of speculation as to who we might be interested in. BTW, I'm no cap guru, but I don't think the practice squad is going to count against the cap. I think usually they only count the top 53 salaries on the roster (which usually doesn't include the practice squad).

I think we spend our money on a WR, then look for a bargain at DE (maybe use 2nd round pick on this one), and CB. We will try to add depth through the draft. If Ramsey gets us an additional pick from the Jets, that will help.

[Cowboy4ever]

We'll have to see when FA begins right?


Are the reports true that y'all gonna cut MeShawn and sign MeO?

Not sure on either one.. but my best guess is,, Key stays,, said as much earlier today and we do sign TO.. I like one of these moves.. let u guess which one lol..

[CrazyCowboy]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15756
The players released are as follows:


Matt Bowen, S
Walt Harris, CB
Brandon Noble, DT
Cory Raymer, C
Tom Tupa, P

I liked Brandon Noble......glad he IS NOT associated with the deadskins any longer.:starspin

[5Stars]

Did you'all hear Vinnie Cerrato on NFL Total Acsess?

He said the Our Private Jets aka the Air Snyders will be REALLY BUSY when FA starts!


:D Thats all for now! :)

HTTR!

I heard that too! Lil Danny is flying all over the United States looking for someone to lend him some money, and he has Tags with him because, well, you know the rest of the story!

:laugh2:

[clayman]

I liked Brandon Noble......glad he IS NOT associated with the deadskins any longer.:starspin

Sadly he almost made the "deadskins" a true moniker. Heard him on the radio this morn and after his staff infection he developed blood clots in his legs that went to his lungs...he was a day away from death he said...scary...a great man with great character. Those types are always missed in the NFL upon retirement.

[5Stars]

We'll have to see when FA begins right?


Are the reports true that y'all gonna cut MeShawn and sign MeO?

Maybe they will, and maybe they won't! At least the Boyz have that option! You suckers have to bring back the same one year wonders, and lose depth at the same time!

The Dallas Cowboys have options that the Redstinks don't have! That is a fact...!

:starspin

[MrRedskin28]

I heard that too! Lil Danny is flying all over the United States looking for someone to lend him some money, and he has Tags with him because, well, you know the rest of the story

:anvil: The face represents your attempt to make a joke.



The Dallas Cowboys have options that the Redstinks don't have! That is a fact...!


Just like it was a "fact" that we were going to be in Cap Hell this year right....

[SultanOfSix]

Yes. Another Redskins' salary cap related thread. Just what we need.

[BigDFan5]

Just like it was a "fact" that we were going to be in Cap Hell this year right....



Just because the new CBA bailed you out does not mean all the stuf that would have happened wasn't real.



Also last year lost Smoot, and Pierce cuz you couldn;t afford them

This year lost Arrington and some depth because you couldnt afford them.

Dumping saalary into future years just to get below the cap to sign a couple players

Looks kinda hellish compared to most of the league

[MrRedskin28]

This year lost Arrington and some depth because you couldnt afford them

I dont even have to elaborate the LaVar situation because you all seem to know what was going down (Paid to Much,Freelanced too Damn Much)

Some Depth??? Walt Harris SUCKED couldnt cover nor Tackle,Matt Bowen,Good but Oft Injured...The Other Three (Noble,Tupa and Raymer) not important wont hurt us....



Also last year lost Smoot, and Pierce cuz you couldn;t afford them



Smoot,didnt need him...we were gonna get a CB in the 1st Rd (Ie Carlos Rogers)

Pierce,wanted more than Marcus Washington (YEAH RIGHT)

[5Stars]

I dont even have to elaborate the LaVar situation because you all seem to know what was going down (Paid to Much,Freelanced too Damn Much)

Some Depth??? Walt Harris SUCKED couldnt cover nor Tackle,Matt Bowen,Good but Oft Injured...The Other Three (Noble,Tupa and Raymer) not important wont hurt us....




Smoot,didnt need him...we were gonna get a CB in the 1st Rd (Ie Carlos Rogers)

Pierce,wanted more than Marcus Washington (YEAH RIGHT)

Yeah, right! However, when you got all those SUCKY players that you now have to get rid of...they were the best thing since sliced bread!

Anyway, don't worry you Redskins fans....just go here;

www. I-love-Art-@Redskins-dot-Superbowl.com....

:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

[BigDFan5]

Smoot,didnt need him...we were gonna get a CB in the 1st Rd (Ie Carlos Rogers)

You went QB because Smoot left. Don't pretend CB was always gonna be the pick. If that were the case Washington wouldnt have tried so hard to resign smoot.


Pierce,wanted more than Marcus Washington (YEAH RIGHT)

Yeah right? Why wouldn't he deserve that money? He was a damn good LB for you guys went to NYG and did just as well. Who was his replacment?

[MrRedskin28]

Yeah right? Why wouldn't he deserve that money? He was a damn good LB for you guys went to NYG and did just as well. Who was his replacment?

Lamar Marshall....registered more than 100 tackles....thanks...


If that were the case Washington wouldnt have tried so hard to resign smoot.

Timeout...The 9th pick was ALWAYS gonna be a Corner...Jason Campbell idea came when Brunell was clearly declining and when Ramseys time was clearly numbered....why overpay for Smoot? For he could do a Sex Boat party ?


We didnt need Pierce,Smoot, or LaVar to beat yall this year now did we....

[BigDFan5]

Lamar Marshall....registered more than 100 tackles....thanks...




Timeout...The 9th pick was ALWAYS gonna be a Corner...Jason Campbell idea came when Brunell was clearly declining and when Ramseys time was clearly numbered....why overpay for Smoot? For he could do a Sex Boat party ?


We didnt need Pierce,Smoot, or LaVar to beat yall this year now did we....


Pierce > Marshall

9th pick was not always going to be a CB it turned into CB when you lost Smoot.

As for Cambell who mentioned him? 1st round 3rd sringer is all he was

What does the games this year have to do with anything? Your defense declinedfrom 2004 to 2005 I have a feeling without some upgrades this year it will decline more.

[Billy Bullocks]

Pierce > Marshall

9th pick was not always going to be a CB it turned into CB when you lost Smoot.

As for Cambell who mentioned him? 1st round 3rd sringer is all he was

What does the games this year have to do with anything? Your defense declinedfrom 2004 to 2005 I have a feeling without some upgrades this year it will decline more.

I have a feeling you would have maybe gone after Mike Williams had you not gotten Rogers...which was by need, not choice (IMO). I thin that Rogers will be a fine player in this league, and Mike Williams was dissapointing last year. Point is, you guys needed a 2nd threat behind Moss. Williams would have given you the big target you guys need.

[MrRedskin28]

Pierce > Marshall


Sike.


9th pick was not always going to be a CB it turned into CB when you lost Smoot

Uh-huh.Yeeeahh :rolleyes:

As for Cambell who mentioned him? 1st round 3rd sringer is all he was

You hope he is.

What does the games this year have to do with anything? Your defense declinedfrom 2004 to 2005

What a horrible decline from # 3 to STILL STAYING IN THE TOP 10.

Williams would have given you the big target you guys need.

Dont worry this will be fixed through this FA or Draft...Believe that...

[5Stars]

we didnt need Pierce,Smoot, or LaVar to beat yall this year now did we....

No, you did beat the Cowboys! But guess what? That was last year after how many years of you girls being the Cowboys little whipping girls?

It's a new time, bro! Other NFL teams have tons of money to upgrade...and you Redstinks have to put the same old tired team on the field!

You like that? Not me! But, then I am a Dallas Cowboy fan, not a Redstink fan that just won a game against the the Cowboys!

Five SuperBowls...and another coming up...soon!

Perhaps you should be argueing on an Eagle forum, those poor bastids have not won anything! Hey, birds of a feather, and a loser of a feather, flock togeather!

:laugh1:

[MrRedskin28]

No, you did beat the Cowboys! But guess what? That was last year after how many years of you girls being the Cowboys little whipping girls?


But who eliminated who from the Playoffs this year? You want to go deeper into history? Who beat who in TWO NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES to go to the Super Bowl?

So you beat my Redskins for 10 straight...Great but it means crap...our two wins this year=our playoff birth and your playoff elimination....


Redstink fan

Again with the corny names...y'all try to hard....

Five SuperBowls...and another coming up...soon!
Sike.


Perhaps you should be argueing on an Eagle forum, those poor bastids have not won anything! Hey, birds of a feather, and a loser of a feather, flock togeather!

I'll laugh with ya on this...

[Yakuza Rich]

Tupa isn't all that hot of a punter. He used to have a big leg, but his leg power has been gone for years and he now hits a lot of line drives and focuses on positioning them. But because he's got a big name, people still think he's a really good punter. Problem is that Derrick Frost was much worse.

Rich.........................

[AsthmaField]

When told that the 9th pick in last year's draft wasn't always going to be a CB, that it turned into a CB when the Skins lost Smoot, you said...


Uh-huh.Yeeeahh :rolleyes:

C'mon... get real. You know as well as we do that the Redskins wanted to keep Smoot but you didn't have the caproom to pay him and still be able to get the Center you needed.

Do you know how much better the Redskins defense would've been with Smoot and using the #9 pick on Merriman or Ware, instead of Harris/Rogers and nobody at DE? That would've made a huge difference in your defense. Huge. Instead of a solid CB position, the Skins would've had a solid CB position, plus the edge rusher they so desperately need.

Skins fans want everyone to believe that Gibbs and Snyder said, "You know, it sure would be nice to have Smoot at CB and use the 9th pick to take Merriman... but that just wouldn't be fair to Springs. I'd rather have a gaping hole at DE and not have Smoot make more than Springs." Uhhh, okay. I'm sure Snyder is so sensitive to the players feelings that he'll make the team worse all day long just to spare them any feelings of low self esteem. :rolleyes:

That's BS. They could've made the Redskins defense a heck of a lot better by keeping Pierce and Smoot and using the 9th pick overall to nab Merriman or Ware. Instead they went into the season with a marginal CB in Harris and a rookie in Rogers sharing the CB spot and a hole at MLB where Pierce used to be. To think that they didn't want to make the defense much better because they didn't want to hurt Springs and Washington's feelings is just stupid. They didn't do it because they couldn't afford to, plain and simple.

What were they supposed to say though? That because of stupid salary cap spending and missing on past draft choices they were in a spot where they couldn't afford to keep two guys who Gibbs had recently called "core" Redskins? Yeah, that would've gone over well with their propaganda machine folks. Art and Bubba probably would've had a corinary on the spot. They fed you guys a line of BS which you all took hook, line, and sinker.:laugh2:

And Marshall making 100 tackles? Big whoop. Any player at that MLB position should make 100 or more tackles unless he's dead. Eugene Lockhart had 222 tackles for Jimmy Johnson in his first year coaching. That was such a great feat that Jimmy couldn't get him out of there fast enough. Why? Because he wasn't very good... just every play was funneled right at him. So giving Marshal's total tackles as proof that he adequately replaced Pierce probably isn't the wisest course of action.