Gibbs: 'Skins aren't circumventing salary cap

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Gibbs: 'Skins aren't circumventing salary cap
Fox Sports
Associated Press
Posted: 1 hour ago



ASHBURN, Va. (AP) - Joe Gibbs defended the Washington Redskins' aggressive approach to free agency on Wednesday, dismissing any implication that the team is somehow circumventing the NFL's salary cap.

"The thing I want to emphasize is this: We haven't done one thing that anybody else can't do," the Redskins' Hall of Fame coach said following a news conference to introduce free agent signing Andre Carter. "We have certain rules in the league. Here's the cap, here's the numbers, here's what you can spend, so everybody in the league can do what we're doing, it's just that they choose not to, many of them."
Despite starting the month some $13 million over the $102 million cap that was set following negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement, the Redskins have once again been one of March's busiest teams.

Since Saturday, they have traded for San Francisco receiver Brandon Lloyd and signed five unrestricted free agents: receiver Antwaan Randle El, safety Adam Archuleta, tight end Christian Fauria, backup quarterback Todd Collins and Carter. Randle El and Archuleta alone were given contracts with a combined $21.5 million in guaranteed money.

"Each team's a little different, how they want to build a team. ... Certainly Pittsburgh is a scheme that works, they won a Super Bowl," Gibbs said. "If you watch their team, there are a lot of draft choices, they're real conscious about that. It remains to be seen how we'll end up doing, but we've chosen to be more aggressive in free agency."

The Redskins put themselves under the cap by cutting five expendable players on the eve of free agency, and they also saved $4.4 million in the deal that made linebacker LaVar Arrington a free agent. Since then, they've been cutting cap dollars by renegotiating contracts with returning veterans, giving the players upfront bonuses that can be prorated for salary cap purposes.

Owner Dan Snyder's overspending in 2000 caused then-coach Marty Schottenheimer to make drastic cuts in 2001, but Snyder's strategy since then has been to map out a cap strategy using what Gibbs said were "three- to four-year spreadsheets." The goal is to shift cap money around in a coherent manner that keeps the team from being forced to part with players it wants to keep.

It hasn't worked perfectly - coveted linebacker Antonio Pierce left for the New York Giants last year - but Gibbs' free agency upgrades helped get the Redskins into the playoffs last year, and the overhaul continues. Only five projected 2006 starters were with the team before Gibbs arrived in January 2004.

The best free agent additions under Gibbs have been linebacker Marcus Washington, cornerback Shawn Springs, defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin and defensive end Phillip Daniels.

"People say, 'Why would you go get the free agents?"' Gibbs said. "Well, look at the guys we wouldn't have on our football team."

The Redskins are able to afford huge signing bonuses because Snyder's marketing savvy has helped make the team one of the most profitable in sports, but Gibbs downplayed the connection between Snyder's fortune and the team's free agency haul.

"The biggest misrepresentation there is that (it's because) Dan's got a lot of money. That's not it," Gibbs said. "We've got a rule. Believe me, if we had no rules, Dan would spend some money."

[leotisbrown]

Gibbs must been around Snyder for to much time-- HE LIES NOW!!!:eek:

Deadskins cheats-- end of story.

[Way 'nuff]

cue the cowboy fan's collective whining...

[cleverusername]

Gibbs must been around Snyder for to much time-- HE LIES NOW!!!:eek:

Deadskins cheats-- end of story.

looks like your right, i've always respected gibbs, until now.

[Danny White]

Gibbs must been around Snyder for to much time-- HE LIES NOW!!!:eek:

Deadskins cheats-- end of story.
Gibbs has been lying for years now. He's a big phony.

[ddh33]

I am interested how it all works. In the meantime, the Skins sure are defensive. Gibbs also went out of his way in Randle El's press conference to make sure it was noted that they called him after midnight at the beginning of free agency.

You keep talking and it starts to sound like "Thou dost protest too much".

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think they are circumventing anything.

In order to circumvent the cap, they would be doing something that would allow for them to sign just about any FA and former players they wanted to by outbidding everybody and not having any reprecussions about it.

They could have afforded to re-sign either Pierce, Smoot, or Ryan Clark if they really wanted to. But, they felt that the money they were asking for was too much. Snyder isn't afraid to dole out the cash, but he couldn't with these players because of the cap. He could have re-signed them, but it most likely would have meant they wouldn't be able to acquire Lloyd, Randle El, and Archuletta.

It's not circumventing, it's just a different way of building one's roster.

Rich............

[SkinsFan26]

It's pretty low, even for you guys, to attack Joe Gibbs' character. Come on now!

[VirusX]

This just in, Redskins Trade next 5 years first round picks for Peyton Manning and sign him to a 12 year 240mil contract.

[skinsscalper]

"Each team's a little different, how they want to build a team. ... Certainly Pittsburgh is a scheme that works, they won a Super Bowl," Gibbs said. "If you watch their team, there are a lot of draft choices, they're real conscious about that. It remains to be seen how we'll end up doing, but we've chosen to be more aggressive in free agency."

Take a look at the Patriots, Seahawks, Rams, and Eagles also. With the exception of the Seahawks ALL of those teams have enjoyed prolonged success, eventually resulting in Super Bowl appearances/wins. Not one of those teams won the Super Bowl via the FA spending spree route. Now, they may have added a piece or two, but they BUILT their teams they didn't buy them. Which seems to be the route that we are taking. I prefer that route myself. I'm not sure how long most of you have been fans, but I'll speculate that a majority of you were here for atleast all of the 90's. Do any of you remember how damn strapped we were against the cap for players that weren't even on the team anymore (et ai. Deion, Troy, Novacek, Pup)? The free agent game is a major gamble! The cap may not catch up with the Skins (or any other team that takes that route), but the one thing the Skins will be lacking is the exact same thing that sent the Pats (and the Cowboys) to Super Bowl wins 3 out of 4 years: DEPTH!!!!!!!!

Yes we can add players through FA and you can bet that when it's all said and done it will be the types signings that the Pats or Steelers would make. If you don't think that the Rams or the Steelers ore rolling on the floor laughing, while looking at the deals that that their former players (players that they know better than ANYONE else, mind you) just signed, then you're out of your mind. It seems most Cowboy fans would rather sign any name that comes up because he had a great year a couple of seasons ago, or because "he's the best guy out there". We don't NEED the best guy out there. This team is being built from the ground up, no doubt about it. The reason is that when you get your team to where you want it to be, you can afford to release the best kicker in football and not miss a beat, or a ProBowl linebacker, or a WR or anyother guy on the team and still be successful. Any fan that's begging to be held hostage by a big name with a huge contract needs a history lesson. Unfortunately, the history isn't that far back, and some have chosen to completely ignore a valuable lesson. The money will be spent, but expect it to be spent wisely. Don't be surprised if we use some of that "$20 fricken million dollars of cap space" to hang on to a guy like Whitten or R. Williams far before we reach a contract "situation" with them. Now, that seems like a better use of our FA dolllars: to avoid key players (whom we DRAFTED) from ever even becoming FA's to begin with.

SS

[Kittymama]

cue the cowboy fan's collective whining...
I'm not whining. I'm laughing. Gibbs is exactly correct--every team has their own way of building. And we'll see what happens. Interestingly, he mentioned the Steelers (he might have mentioned the Seahawks too). They actually WENT to the Super Bowl. Unless I've been in a coma, I haven't seen one of the Boy Blunder's teams in the Super Bowl. So come back IF your team ever does end up in the Super Bowl. Until then, they're no better than anyone else.

In the meantime--you fans are supporting the Boy Blunder, & if you're happy paying his ticket prices, more power to you. Same with every other team's fans as well.

[The30YardSlant]

Joe Gibbs is a great man, I respect him, but he is a pawn in Daniel Snyder's master plan. He is Darth Vader to Snyder's Palpatine.

[Way 'nuff]

I'm not whining. I'm laughing. Gibbs is exactly correct--every team has their own way of building. And we'll see what happens. Interestingly, he mentioned the Steelers (he might have mentioned the Seahawks too). They actually WENT to the Super Bowl. Unless I've been in a coma, I haven't seen one of the Boy Blunder's teams in the Super Bowl. So come back IF your team ever does end up in the Super Bowl. Until then, they're no better than anyone else.

In the meantime--you fans are supporting the Boy Blunder, & if you're happy paying his ticket prices, more power to you. Same with every other team's fans as well.

Thanks for that, now I'm laughing, too. :)

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

Lol, Gibbs is a phony, omg lol. That just made my day knowing a bunch of Cowboy fans have no clue what they are talking about.

[Yakuza Rich]

Lol, Gibbs is a phony, omg lol. That just made my day knowing a bunch of Cowboy fans have no clue what they are talking about.

I guess I'm the only one that still remembers the great handshake that Gibbs gave Parcells after the Cowboys beat him in 2004.

I guess I'm the only one that remembers Gibbs constantly complaining about the referees jobbing the Skins in his tenure.

I don't have too big of a problem with Gibbs, but he certainly has some character flaws.


Rich.........

[zrinkill]

cue the cowboy fan's collective whining...


Did not Gibbs cry and whine after every loss last year ?????

Talk about the Pot calling the kettle :laugh2:

[Chuck 54]

I hear such garbage...sounds like elementary school whining.

WE sitting at home on message boards just know the Skins are cheating the cap, but NFL executives, financiers and lawyers just can't catch them at it.

Please.....grow up.

[speedkilz88]

It's pretty low, even for you guys, to attack Joe Gibbs' character. Come on now!You've got the ugliest fans in the nfl.

[Taylor_Can_Hit21]

I guess I'm the only one that still remembers the great handshake that Gibbs gave Parcells after the Cowboys beat him in 2004.

I guess I'm the only one that remembers Gibbs constantly complaining about the referees jobbing the Skins in his tenure.

I don't have too big of a problem with Gibbs, but he certainly has some character flaws.


Rich.........

Wow..so what your trying to say is Gibbs is a human being :eek:?

Great Hanshake Parcells gave Gibbs in 05. 2 wrongs dont make a right. No one ever said Gibbs was a perfect man...and you wont ever hear those words come out of my mouth.

[Danny White]

Lol, Gibbs is a phony, omg lol. That just made my day knowing a bunch of Cowboy fans have no clue what they are talking about.
Believe me bub, I know exactly what I'm talking about.

He has the kind of phoniness that only an inflated sense of moral-superiority can give you.

Living here in DC, I used to really respect him... now I realize it was all a big act and that he's one of the biggest phonies out there.

[leotisbrown]

Lol, Gibbs is a phony, omg lol. That just made my day knowing a bunch of Cowboy fans have no clue what they are talking about.

You are or should be embarrasing for those mutterings.

Also you have no shamefulness coming in hear with the name of a convicted felony as your avatar. Just another one of the criminal type that Deadskins is known to worship under Snyders evil spell.

You are filled with Snyders venom juice and evil spells of deseatfulness.

I pity you're ignorance.

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I wouldn't urinate upon J. Gibbs if he were a flame ! Still...I think their only fault is managing their contracts well . They show year after year that they can play the salary cap game as well as anybody in the league , and that is a compliment to both Gibbs and Snyder . Now if they could only manage a team on the field as well . That was not a compliment to Gibbs or Snyder . ;-)

[cleverusername]

Joe Gibbs is a great man, I respect him, but he is a pawn in Daniel Snyder's master plan. He is Darth Vader to Snyder's Palpatine.

Nice analogy!, But I'm afraid he's joined the dark side.

[Yakuza Rich]

Wow..so what your trying to say is Gibbs is a human being :eek:?

I usually tend to stay away from people that complain about the refs screwing them after a game.


Great Hanshake Parcells gave Gibbs in 05. 2 wrongs dont make a right.

I'd like to see what you're talking about. Parcells has always been standup about shaking hands with coaches.

No one ever said Gibbs was a perfect man...and you wont ever hear those words come out of my mouth.

Most Skins fans portray Gibbs as the Pope that coaches football. I constantly hear about him "never taking a player with attitude issues" yet he had no problem taking in Dexter Manley, Sean Taylor, and now Brandon Lloyd.

I don't have a problem with Gibbs, but Skins fans turn a blind eye to poor things he does at times. And if you're not like that, you're in the minority.


Rich........

[clayman]

Believe me bub, I know exactly what I'm talking about.

He has the kind of phoniness that only an inflated sense of moral-superiority can give you.

Living here in DC, I used to really respect him... now I realize it was all a big act and that he's one of the biggest phonies out there.

well you ring true to your subtitle of the "worst poster ever"....sheesh

[Way 'nuff]

You are or should be embarrasing for those mutterings.

Also you have no shamefulness coming in hear with the name of a convicted felony as your avatar. Just another one of the criminal type that Deadskins is known to worship under Snyders evil spell.

You are filled with Snyders venom juice and evil spells of deseatfulness.

I pity you're ignorance.

Hehehe, well, we skins fans come in HERE knowing that the Cowboys have a wealth of criminals in their past, yet we have one in our secondary and I can't go into a thread without HEARING about it.

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.

[leotisbrown]

I wouldn't urinate upon J. Gibbs if he were a flame ! Still...I think their only fault is managing their contracts well . They show year after year that they can play the salary cap game as well as anybody in the league , and that is a compliment to both Gibbs and Snyder . Now if they could only manage a team on the field as well . That was not a compliment to Gibbs or Snyder . ;-)

I think agree with some of what you say as far as the points I understood but mostly I disagree on your points.

The main disagree we have is that I would definitely want to urinates on Gibbs and his master from evil place Snyder.

And also that they need to be arrested and investigation by federal officials for violating the legalness of the salary cap with expending more money than it pertains.

Most definitely.

[leotisbrown]

Hehehe, well, we skins fans come in HERE knowing that the Cowboys have a wealth of criminals in their past, yet we have one in our secondary and I can't go into a thread without HEARING about it.

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.

Two words: DEXTER MANLEY (the crack smoking drug dealing illiteracy and former DeadSkin)

Ownt!!

[cleverusername]

You've got the ugliest fans in the nfl.

It's true! what is the deal with the fat quy's in dresses and the funny noses?

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I think agree with some of what you say as far as the points I understood but mostly I disagree on your points.

The main disagree we have is that I would definitely want to urinates on Gibbs and his master from evil place Snyder.

And also that they need to be arrested and investigation by federal officials for violating the legalness of the salary cap with expending more money than it pertains.

Most definitely.

No offense man , but if you'll just read around a little bit you'll see how the Skins get it done . They aren't breaking any laws , but rather structuring their contracts in a way that most teams chose not to . Just like Gibbs said , everybody can do it . Dallas along with many other teams chose not to use this approach and instead build mainly through the draft .

[5Stars]

Hehehe, well, we skins fans come in HERE knowing that the Cowboys have a wealth of criminals in their past, yet we have one in our secondary and I can't go into a thread without HEARING about it.

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.

Well, look here! Ya see, this is the kinda of post, that if a Cowboy ever went to ExtremeSkins and said something like that...he would never be heard from again! :mad:

Yet, these RedStinks are allowed to come on this forum and talk crap like that?

You know why? Because the Cowboys have class and this fourm allows this to happen, because, well, the Dallas Cowboys are men, and can take it, while, over at ES, those sissys cry and moan if one word is uttered that might disrespect their little team!

I can picture little "Art" hovering over his 'DELETE' key at all hours of the day and night, just waiting to show how big and brave he is to anyone that goes on that forum and says half the things that these RedStinks say here!

:laugh2:

[Way 'nuff]

Well, look here! Ya see, this is the kinda of post, that if a Cowboy ever went to ExtremeSkins and said something like that...he would never be heard from again! :mad:

Yet, these RedStinks are allowed to come on this forum and talk crap like that?

You know why? Because the Cowboys have class and this fourm allows this to happen, because, well, the Dallas Cowboys are men, and can take it, while, over at ES, those sissys cry and moan if one word is uttered that might disrespect their little team!

I can picture little "Art" hovering over his 'DELETE' key at all hours of the day and night, just waiting to show how big and brave he is to anyone that goes on that forum and says half the think that these RedStinks say here!

:laugh2:

Hey, this Skins fan doesn't have much love for Art, either.

[BroGreg]

Gibbs must been around Snyder for to much time-- HE LIES NOW!!!:eek:

Deadskins cheats-- end of story.

Now?
Gibbs has been a liar for a long time.
I keep telling people he ain't all he is cooked up to be.

I have to post a picture of him from 2004 season after the Cowboys kicked their behind. The man couldn't even give a full handshake to Parcells.

Watch him when he loses. I know nobody likes to lose, but he is one sad puppy. Now when he wins he wants to talk and hug you.


Then after every game that they lose he runs to the officiating office complaining like a spoiled child.


A guy I work with who follows NASCAR told me some stuff about him too.

[Way 'nuff]

Two words: DEXTER MANLEY (the crack smoking drug dealing illiteracy and former DeadSkin)

Ownt!!

Mark Tunei.

I mean, come on, really. Do we have to play this game? Can we just own up to the facts that Taylors facing trial and that the Cowboys have a bunch of crackheads in their past? Can we move past namecalling and finger pointing? Jeez.

[Wheat]

If they are cheating, then they should be caught and busted for it. Loss of picks, whatever.

But, if they aren't. I want to see the Peter King's and Lenny P's up on a stage to either apologize or announce they won't cover the NFL anymore.

Enough of this saying it, without really saying it crap.

If you know they're cheating, then prove it.

[trentmonster]

Hehehe, well, we skins fans come in HERE knowing that the Cowboys have a wealth of criminals in their past, yet we have one in our secondary and I can't go into a thread without HEARING about it.

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.

Really, one playoff appearance (as a result of two hail marys) in 5 years is "playing the cap game" better than anyone else? :rolleyes:

[lzppjb]

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.


A lot it's gotten you. hahaha

[Way 'nuff]

Really, one playoff appearance (as a result of two hail marys) in 5 years is "playing the cap game" better than anyone else? :rolleyes:

Who here's talking about playoffs? And what hail marys are you talking about? I seem to remember Moss getting behind your secondary twice. Don't act like it was luck. Yes, you kicked our *** up and down the field for 55 minutes, but you couldn't finish the job. Sorry.

As far as the cap game goes, for years people have been saying the Skins will be in "cap hell." Well where is it?

[Yakuza Rich]

I mean, come on, really. Do we have to play this game? Can we just own up to the facts that Taylors facing trial

Unfortunately, Skins fans still claim that Gibbs "makes it a point not to sign players with bad attitudes."

Unlike Skins fans, we fully recognize that the ownership has been more than willing to sign players with a sketchy past.


Rich............

[Way 'nuff]

Unfortunately, Skins fans still claim that Gibbs "makes it a point not to sign players with bad attitudes."

Unlike Skins fans, we fully recognize that the ownership has been more than willing to sign players with a sketchy past.


Rich............

Coming out of Miami, there wasn't any questions about Taylor's attitude. Yeah, he's been a bit of a problem child since he's gotten to the league, and Gibbs isn't happy about it. However, Gibbs isn't about to cut or get rid of anyone just because they've had problems. I doubt Parcells would, either.

As far as players with a sketchy past, I can't think of any off the top of my head, although I'm sure we have them. I'm not saying its acceptable, but show me an NFL team that DOESNT have anyone with a sketchy or problematic player on it.

[Idgit]

If they are cheating, then they should be caught and busted for it. Loss of picks, whatever.

But, if they aren't. I want to see the Peter King's and Lenny P's up on a stage to either apologize or announce they won't cover the NFL anymore.

Enough of this saying it, without really saying it crap.

If you know they're cheating, then prove it.

Of course they're not cheating. They're just attenuating contracts and willing to live with roster volatility. Extend most of the signings that work out, jettison the ones that don't. Eliminate the uncertainty of the draft (hee). Pray for no career-ending injuries to core players or the house of cards falls down. Committ to relatively high payroll loads.

It's not magic. It's agressive. It's not a road anyone else wants to go down, either, which should tell you something. Oh, and it hasn't been successful.

[lzppjb]

You still fail to see the point. We all know teams have players with sketchy pasts. That's not the arguement. We get annoyed with Skins fans who try and deny this based solely on their opinion that Gibbs is deity.

[trentmonster]

Who here's talking about playoffs? And what hail marys are you talking about? I seem to remember Moss getting behind your secondary twice. Don't act like it was luck. Yes, you kicked our *** up and down the field for 55 minutes, but you couldn't finish the job. Sorry.

As far as the cap game goes, for years people have been saying the Skins will be in "cap hell." Well where is it?

Hmm, maybe not "cap hell" but perhaps "can't sniff a super bowl hell" would be more appropriate.

[Idgit]

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.

Some game: winner spends the most without actually winning anything.

[Rack Bauer]

cue the cowboy fan's collective whining...


Link (http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50643)

I suggest you read that.

[Way 'nuff]

You still fail to see the point. We all know teams have players with sketchy pasts. That's not the arguement. We get annoyed with Skins fans who try and deny this based solely on their opinion that Gibbs is deity.

Gibbs brought our organization 3 superbowls. We hold him in the regard that you have for Landry, the Packers fans have for Lombardi and the Steelers fans have for Chuck Knoll.

Admittedly, our team had sucked for a long time. Finally Snyder wisened up, brought back the man who was last successful with team and let him make decisions. Snyder is perfectly happy to let Gibbs and Co. run wild with the checkbook.

After a first rough year, he's turning the ship around. I'm sorry if you fail to see that. 10-6, 5-1 in the division and a playoff win.

I'm not coming in here and saying the Cowboys suck. Any team coached by Parcells must be taken seriously. Furthermore, every team in the NFC east needs to be taken seriously.

I just don't get why I come to this board and see Cowboys fans ignore our success last season.

As far as the Redskins not winning anything lately, I haven't heard much from your team lately, either.

[Derinyar]

Hehehe, well, we skins fans come in HERE knowing that the Cowboys have a wealth of criminals in their past, yet we have one in our secondary and I can't go into a thread without HEARING about it.

YOUR ignorance is in the fact that the Redskins have played the cap game better than anyone else over the years and can't come to grips with it.
The Redskins are the undisputed kings of March. They have been continually doing the same things, the only thing that has saved them is the rate at which the cap has been expanding. The Cap has been expanding faster than figured on for a whie, especially this year. That has allowed the Skins to no wind up in a huge bind, that and the fact that your core players are still willing to restructre each year. The skins are literally one career ending injury away from a hell of a lot of trouble.

Frankly, I think the Skins "success" in March has hurt them more than its helped them. It makes their Front Office undervalue the draft and drafted players. It means they have to be the Kings of March every year to have any chance at a decent team.

[5Stars]

The Redskins are the undisputed kings of March. They have been continually doing the same things, the only thing that has saved them is the rate at which the cap has been expanding. The Cap has been expanding faster than figured on for a whie, especially this year. That has allowed the Skins to no wind up in a huge bind, that and the fact that your core players are still willing to restructre each year. The skins are literally one career ending injury away from a hell of a lot of trouble.

Frankly, I think the Skins "success" in March has hurt them more than its helped them. It makes their Front Office undervalue the draft and drafted players. It means they have to be the Kings of March every year to have any chance at a decent team.

Yeah, but you forgot! They won a playoff game! Finally, after how many years? RedStink fans ore on top of the world! I mean, they swept the Boyz! How much better does it get for them!

Hey, they think they are the King of the Jungle! :laugh2:

We will see this coming season, just what they are about! And, if they end up sucking, as usual, you will not see a Redstink fan on this site for, oh, lets say, another 6 or 7 years!
:laugh1:

[Yakuza Rich]

Coming out of Miami, there wasn't any questions about Taylor's attitude.

Uh, he was referred to as the "craziest player to have ever played for the Hurricanes" when he was being drafted.

To say that there weren't any questions about his attitude is like saying Andy Reid is a vegan.


Rich...........

[Way 'nuff]

Uh, he was referred to as the "craziest player to have ever played for the Hurricanes" when he was being drafted.

To say that there weren't any questions about his attitude is like saying Andy Reid is a vegan.


Rich...........

Thats a good analogy! :lmao2: cracking on that fat walrus never gets old.

I remember during the draft all his background checks and interviews came out fine. Who referred to him as the craziest player to have ever played for the hurricanes?

[Rack Bauer]

Thats a good analogy! :lmao2: cracking on that fat walrus never gets old.

I remember during the draft all his background checks and interviews came out fine. Who referred to him as the craziest player to have ever played for the hurricanes?


I remember there being questions about Taylor's attitude and character as well.


I think Taylor's a bit overated although still a very solid player. But let's not change or ignore the truth here, he does have an attitude problem. High character people don't go shooting at other people.

[Yakuza Rich]

Thats a good analogy! :lmao2: cracking on that fat walrus never gets old.

I remember during the draft all his background checks and interviews came out fine. Who referred to him as the craziest player to have ever played for the hurricanes?

As a draftnick, it was pretty common knowledge. This was such a big concern that many thought it would hurt his draft status, especially after his Pro Day workout wasn't as good as expected. IIRC, he ran his 40 times in the 4.55 range (expected to be in the 4.45 range) and only benched 225 pounds like 15 times.

Rich..............

[Way 'nuff]

I remember there being questions about Taylor's attitude and character as well.


I think Taylor's a bit overated although still a very solid player. But let's not change or ignore the truth here, he does have an attitude problem. High character people don't go shooting at other people.

Not changing it or ignoring it. I'm definitely not happy about it.

[5Stars]

I remember there being questions about Taylor's attitude and character as well.


I think Taylor's a bit overated although still a very solid player. But let's not change or ignore the truth here, he does have an attitude problem. High character people don't go shooting at other people.

Or spitting in people's face! He's a freaking thug, period! But, the worst part about it, he's a rich thug, and he will get off of any charges against him...that's just the way it is, sadly! :mad:

[Rack Bauer]

Not changing it or ignoring it. I'm definitely not happy about it.


Hey at least he didn't get convicted for vehicular manslaughter (Dwayne Goodrich).


But I never liked Goodrich even before he ran those people over. The dude is, by far, the worst CB to ever wear a cowboys uniform.

[5Stars]

Hey at least he didn't get convicted for vehicular manslaughter (Dwayne Goodrich).


But I never liked Goodrich even before he ran those people over. The dude is, by far, the worst CB to ever wear a cowboys uniform.

And, who drafted him? Yup, you guessed it! :)

Vacation boy!

[Way 'nuff]

As a draftnick, it was pretty common knowledge. This was such a big concern that many thought it would hurt his draft status, especially after his Pro Day workout wasn't as good as expected. IIRC, he ran his 40 times in the 4.55 range (expected to be in the 4.45 range) and only benched 225 pounds like 15 times.

Rich..............

I seem to remember a little bit of questioning about it, but nothing too major that would affect his draft status.

Say what you want about his 40 time and bench press, the dude can lay a hit ;)

[Pokes28]

Some simple truths about the cap and various aspects.

First, there is no such thing as cap hell until a team is a constant winner. One year in the playoffs does not qualify. The reason is simple. Bad teams always have players that aren't playing up to their contracts that can be gotten rid of or negotiated down. Look at the teams that have been in true cap hell since the start of free agency and you will see the Cowboys (superbowls), the 9ers (superbowl and playoff runs), and the Titans (several playoff runs). The Jaguars were there, but gave their way out of it when the Texans came into the league.

The method of contract structure that the Skins use isn't likely to be very harmful for at least a couple more seasons and if they don't continue to be a good team, they will simply cut some dead weight and move on.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[5Stars]

the dude can lay a hit ;)

And the dude can lay some spit! :rolleyes:

[Way 'nuff]

Hey at least he didn't get convicted for vehicular manslaughter (Dwayne Goodrich).


But I never liked Goodrich even before he ran those people over. The dude is, by far, the worst CB to ever wear a cowboys uniform.

That dudes pathetic.

Drugs, crime, whatever, its way sad when athletes for any team screw up. I was bummed to hear about the Doc Gooden news today.

[Way 'nuff]

And the dude can lay some spit! :rolleyes:


Aaaaaaaaand the witty shots at Sean Taylor keep coming. Whats next, cracks about Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George? How bout giving me your best Spurrier material? Got anything about Schottenheimer? Oh I KNOW!!! How bout some Dan Snyder stuff? I haven't heard any stuff like that before!

[SultanOfSix]

Why create an article unless it's being done, eh?

Suspicious...

Throws off the scent of them dogs...

[5Stars]

Aaaaaaaaand the witty shots at Sean Taylor keep coming. Whats next, cracks about Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George? How bout giving me your best Spurrier material? Got anything about Schottenheimer? Oh I KNOW!!! How bout some Dan Snyder stuff? I haven't heard any stuff like that before!

How about this?

CRACK!

That's Joe's leg....anything else you need here? I here Lil Art calling for you to come home!

Run fast now...hurry, hurry, like a good little Redstink! :lmao2:

[StonetheCrow77]

The Skins aren't breaking any rules... they are however taking huge risks... if any of those players get hurt badly like Dat, they will take a huge hit to the cap... so far that hasn't happened...

[Way 'nuff]

How about this?

CRACK!

That's Joe's leg....anything else you need here? I here Lil Art calling for you to come home!

Run fast now...hurry, hurry, like a good little Redstink! :lmao2:

OHHHH thats brilliant!! A joke about Art and ES!! Wow, where do you get your topical and witty humor?

See ya at The Improv!

[5Stars]

OHHHH thats brilliant!! A joke about Art and ES!! Wow, where do you get your topical and witty humor?

See ya at The Improv!

See ya there! That would make two jokes...you and the RedStinks! :laugh1:

[Jarv]

The Redskins are the undisputed kings of March. They have been continually doing the same things, the only thing that has saved them is the rate at which the cap has been expanding. The Cap has been expanding faster than figured on for a whie, especially this year. That has allowed the Skins to no wind up in a huge bind, that and the fact that your core players are still willing to restructre each year. The skins are literally one career ending injury away from a hell of a lot of trouble.

Frankly, I think the Skins "success" in March has hurt them more than its helped them. It makes their Front Office undervalue the draft and drafted players. It means they have to be the Kings of March every year to have any chance at a decent team.

I don't think they are cheating either. Derinyar is most accurate in his statement.

They choose not to keep Champ, Smoot, Lavar, Steven Davis, Pierce...Probably others too. Good players I'm sure they would like to have on their team now. But they are not due to the way Snyder plays. His team his choice. Different coach's over the years have had different styles and want certain players that fit their style, creates a lot of turnover.

Look, we and a few other teams were burned by the cap in earlier years when it was not expanding as fast. It's that simple...

We could do it too, I think JJ just has a little of the burnt stove syndrum. So he doesn't want to go back there.

The Skins could actually be a real force in the NFL if they keep up this strategy. There biggest problem to date is really that they trade too many draft picks and are not that great with the ones they have, especially in the later rounds.

If they continued with their top of the line...Yes I said top of the line cap management...and stopped trading draft picks, got smarter and some late round picks, they could build an outstanding team.

So I see their only real flaws is not in signing the FA's, there fine there as long as the cap keeps expanding (I'm not sure how that works tho?lol.)...but thier problem is trading a lot of picks and then not hitting on many their late round choices.

But all is not lost Dallas fans. The last couple of years OUR drafting has improved considerabliy (is that even a word?).

We could and should be more agressive in Free agency and cap management.

We are running the Eagles cap management mode, which is too try to save money for an emergency and convert extra cash into LTBE incentives to add to our dollars the next year.

Its up to JJ on which mode we want to use.

If JJ was more aggressive and we rolled more with the expanding cap, we would have the advantage because we are better at drafting (part of that is KEEPING your draft picks) and we just have more on hand now.

I didn't think this was a great FA season anyhow, the caps going up another..5-6 million next year so who knows about next year either ?

We just happen to need help at reciever this year and the best one is a dufus were not sure we want to take a chance on (and the draft isn't that great at reciever this year either). We could have been more agressive on 1 of the 2 olinemen (Bently and Hutch) and still would have been fine...But we didn't. Yell at Jerry if your pissed.

Demps, Chavous at FS I would gone hard for too. We have plenty of room left.

Its more of us not being aggressive enough than any cheating by the Skins.

Now 1 more thing. Since they restructured many contracts and spread out the bonus's on several players, they must keep those same players next year. That is where you get screwed. We don't have (or I don't) have the details on this but I think if Brunell or Samuels (and whoever else) were to retire or have a career threatning injury. They would be in trouble.

Their salary grows as the cap grows. In the late 90's our salaries grew faster than the cap...Bottom line.

[david_jackson]

Jarv---you make way too much sense.. One more thing though they spend tommorrows money.....so they are spending each year the cap space that will be in a a 2-3 years. Everyso often a player will have a carreer ending injury that realy hurts this strategy

[seoulman]

Since so many people are bashing the skins for building through FA, I want to make one point that I think is EXTREMELY relevant. The Patriots. Many folks have incorrectly stated that the Patriots built through the draft. This is completely false. Almost half their starters from last year 10 out of 22 were drafted by other teams. They traded or picked them up in FA. Furthermore, of the 20 players they picked up in the two years before their superbowl run in 2002 (2000 and 2001) only 7 are even still in the NFL. In fact, in Brady's draft class, he's the only one left on the Pats.

All this is just to say that the Pats have had success by making smart pickups in FA and trading for players that make sense.

I do honestly believe that the Skins paid too much for their players, but the point is that the strategy of building through FA and trades...at the expense of draft picks can work.