Here's The Latest T.O. Update I've Received

[CaptainAmerica]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
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Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.

[Cajuncowboy]

TO needs an attitude adjustment in the worst way. It's coming soon!

[ZRO]

So basically you're "insider" told you that Dallas might sign him, but they also might not sign him.

GREAT!

[The30YardSlant]

Good, at the very least his contract demands will go down

[ZenItRam]

yaaahooooo!!!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I so hope this to be true!!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Clove]

We need for all teams to refuse, then he can come here under a heavy incentive program.

[ZenItRam]

We need for all teams to refuse, then he can come here under a heavy incentive program.

No ... let's keep him out forever!!

Time to aggressively persue J. Walker!

[JackMagist]

Why am I not surprised by this attitude from TO.

It is just really sad that such talent should be wasted on such a total knucklehead.

[Da Hammer]

We need for all teams to refuse, then he can come here under a heavy incentive program.
yeah if no one wants him that is really good for us. hopefully somebody doesn't change their mind

[Clove]

Why am I not surprised by this attitude from TO.

It is just really sad that such talent should be wasted on such a total knucklehead.Doesn't look like an attitude to me. It looks like a guy who's trying to make as much money as he can, like anyone would.;)

[ThreeSportStar80]

Seriously one of my sources told me to look out for Miami as a possible place for T.O. to land.

[Da Hammer]

can't blame him with some insane ideals that Randle-El and Givens got, knowing that i was a billion times better than them I would also hold out for more $$$

[Roughneck]

I don't think any team is both willing and able to offer him the amount that we can. In the end, I do believe he is going to have no choice but to sign with us. Unless he wants to spend another season sitting on his *** and not drawing a paycheck.

[CaptainAmerica]

So basically you're "insider" told you that Dallas might sign him, but they also might not sign him.

GREAT!

If that's the current situation,(which makes total sense), what else is he going to say? He's not trying to predict it or call it before anyone else, he's just saying what he's hearing from the people he knows.

If you have a problem with that, feel free to put me on "Ignore". I promise it won't hurt my feelings one bit. :)

[STSINAZ]

TO is a knucklehead. Let him sit all year for all I care.

[Jimz31]

If he would have handled the situation better last year, maybe he could make more money, but it was obvious when it was going on that he wouldn't have as many suitors come this off-season purely due to his attitude that he had.

In the end, if he would have played his contract out, he would have made more money in his NFL life.

[speedkilz88]

One thing I have a problem with on the info is that its been reported that the eagles didn't have any offers for TO. (I'm not calling you out CA, I know your a solid guy)

[CaptainAmerica]

Basically, this is my take on the current T.O. situation.

Today I'd been thinking about what could be going on and the scenario my source laid out is exactly what I thought might be going on. In fact, I even thought about the fact that dragging it out could turn Parcells off.

I'm beginning to believe even Rosenhaus can't talk sense to T.O.

I guess the real question is whether T.O. is willing to sit out rather than take something below what his over-inflated ego thinks he's worth? I just don't see anyone giving him what he thinks he's worth.


He's either an idiot or genuinely psychotic if he can't see that he must rehabilitate himself for at LEAST a year before he can command top, guaranteed dollars.

I'm not too worried about Key commanding a lot of money on the open market because he doesn't have the best track record either.

Moulds is a guy that isn't a bad option, if he's not over the hill, which he could be. I followed him a lot in college at MSU and he's always been an explosive receiver. Of course, he's no choir boy either.

[JackMagist]

Doesn't look like an attitude to me. It looks like a guy who's trying to make as much money as he can, like anyone would.;)I started to try to explain it to you but if it is not obvious to you why he is a knucklehead then it never will be. So I will save myself the time and effort of attempting to explain this simple ethics concept. That is the problem with ethics; the concepts are truly simple but they are difficult to explain without going into a lengthy dissertation.

[JonJon]

Doesn't look like an attitude to me. It looks like a guy who's trying to make as much money as he can, like anyone would.;)

I agree. I am sure he would want more money, seeing the contracts that Randle El, Givens, and Lloyd just signed. He believes that he is better than all of them, and he is right. But if he realizes that teams are not going to give him the money he wants, he will go to the highest bidder, which is the Dallas Cowboys at the moment.

[AmishCowboy]

If he signs here for less then he thinks he's worth, T.O. will start acting up again, the whole Philly thing started when they wouldn't give him a new deal.

[felix360]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
************************************************** **************************

Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.


Idiot, now that no one wants him he'll most likely get a contract a lot cheaper than what he would have gotten with Dallas. i thought Drew was his agent, cuz by what they are doing it looks like TO is his own agent, you think Drew would have been smart and told him to take the cowboys deal.

[speedkilz88]

I started to try to explain it to you but if it is not obvious to you why he is a knucklehead then it never will be. So I will save myself the time and effort of attempting to explain this simple ethics concept. That is the problem with ethics; the concepts are truly simple but they are difficult to explain without going into a lengthy dissertation.Did you miss his winkie?

[big dog cowboy]

Thanks CaptainAmerica. That actually does make sense.

[felix360]

One thing I have a problem with on the info is that its been reported that the eagles didn't have any offers for TO. (I'm not calling you out CA, I know your a solid guy)

Knowing the eagles they just didnt want to report that there was deal from the Cowboys, they hate us like that

[CaptainAmerica]

One thing I have a problem with on the info is that its been reported that the eagles didn't have any offers for TO. (I'm not calling you out CA, I know your a solid guy)


That's not true.

There have been reports of a 5th that was offered by KC but they couldn't work a deal out with T.O.

Then there was a discussion on either Dallas talk radio, a web article or somewhere I heard or read yesterday confirming that the Cowboys "inquired" with the Eagles about T.O., but the discussions didn't develop.

This isn't the first time the source told me we made them an offer. He told me that several days ago, BEFORE that media report came out about our "inquiry". He told me we only offered a low round pick and they dismissed it.

[JackMagist]

If he signs here for less then he thinks he's worth, T.O. will start acting up again, the whole Philly thing started when they wouldn't give him a new deal.:hammer:

We either give in and give him what he wants or we pass on him. To do anything less is just inviting trouble.

And even giving him what he wants (which is a long term deal and lots of money up front) does not mean that he will not change his mind next year after he has banked the signing bonus. By upping his demands he has just made himself more trouble than he is worth before he even got started.

[HeHateMe]

So basically you're "insider" told you that Dallas might sign him, but they also might not sign him.

GREAT!

Maybe, but also, maybe not. ;)

[Danny White]

So basically you're "insider" told you that Dallas might sign him, but they also might not sign him.

GREAT!
Don't be a jerk.

If you don't want to believe him fine, just ignore his post.

But don't try to pretend that, if true, there isn't some new information there.

Granted that at least half the stuff you read on the internet is bull... but the whole reason people come to sites like this is to get information and takes that you won't get by simply reading the morning paper.

I, for one, thank you Cap'n for posting what you know.

[CaptainAmerica]

By upping his demands he has just made himself more trouble than he is worth before he even got started.

Jack my man, you just hit the nail on the hammer for what Parcells may now be realizing and he is the only one who really matters in this whole ordeal.

[CaptainAmerica]

I, for one, thank you Cap'n for posting what you know.

Hey, no problem.

I don't take it personal. I got permission from my source before I posted it and he was kind enough to give me the go-ahead or I wouldn't have posted it.

Some posters on here seem to need links or verified sources for anything they read.

I, for one, love to read the rumors or info that may not be linked or have a verified source, so long as it is not just a bogus post to get attention or jerk our chains.

[Everlastingxxx]

That makes complete sense and i kindof figured it. Screw TO, go get the boy from Green Bay. Cant believe TO is playin Dallas for a fool.

[felix360]

That makes complete sense and i kindof figured it. Screw TO, go get the boy from Green Bay. Cant believe TO is playin Dallas for a fool.

Hey didnt TO want Bret Farve as his quater back, we can the boy from GreenBay and they should sign TO. :laugh2:

[Cbz40]

Makes sense to me as well....I feel Clayton & Mort were hinting to that same scenario last night in their reports.

[Idgit]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
************************************************** **************************

Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought...

This makes perfect sense. Not picking up TO makes a huge difference in what we otherwise might do in FA. We're waiting a bit to see which direction we end up going. And TO could end up with NO suitors. I'd warmed to the idea of him in Dallas, but him out of the league for at least a year alltogether is a more appropriate alternative, frankly.

[Idgit]

Hey didnt TO want Bret Farve as his quater back, we can the boy from GreenBay and they should sign TO. :laugh2:

J Walker for a 2nd, or Nate Burleson (RFA) for a 3rd, with maybe Key/Moulds or a first day draft pick also signs the WR problem.

[speedkilz88]

That's not true.

There have been reports of a 5th that was offered by KC but they couldn't work a deal out with T.O.

Then there was a discussion on either Dallas talk radio, a web article or somewhere I heard or read yesterday confirming that the Cowboys "inquired" with the Eagles about T.O., but the discussions didn't develop.

This isn't the first time the source told me we made them an offer. He told me that several days ago, BEFORE that media report came out about our "inquiry". He told me we only offered a low round pick and they dismissed it.The articles from all the major papers, nflnetwork, espn all claim that the eagles received no offers when they reported the release of TO. I know there were some rumors from other sources prior to his release, but the mainstream guys claim otherwise.

[ddh33]

First of all, I want to thank everyone who has some information and is willing to share it. Personally, I would rather sort through all of the information than have none available. With that in mind, keep this stuff coming.

Secondly, I'm not too surprised at this. I don't think a lot of people thought the market would be like this. Now, it seems like everyone is getting a huge offer. TO is obviously going to want a huge deal. As far as he is concerned, he has done nothing wrong. Remember, you are dealing with a guy who considers himself a martyr. He's going to want to get paid. People can say all they want to about him because of his repuatation, but I think most of us would be the same way.

I do think that TO is going to have a hard time getting his full market value though. I suspect he's going to make plenty though, and I further suspect that he makes it right here in Dallas in the end.

[REDVOLUTION]

Until we hear something from the Cowboys organization or directly from TO himself...we really dont know whats going on....

Obviously I am pro on bringing TO in... but IF HE CANT work with Jerry Jones then he cant work with anyone... but like I said... we dont know anything yet... so these comments are in the event that any of this is true.... also keep in mind... he just wants the most/best deal... thats already understood.... developing.... at some point in time... I think... I guess... LOL

[visionary]

while i have been somewhat double minded about signinig this guy this settles it for me. if he wants more money and thinks he "deserves" more money and we wait and pay him according to what we think is a reasonable price he will come in feeling (in his mind) "disrespected". he is already reneging on a verbal commitment before he has even signed the contract. this is exactly the kind of thing that triggers his cancerous behavior.

NO to TO.

Trade for J Walker and resign Key.

[CaptainAmerica]

T.O. may not have taken Economics 101 at UT-Chattanooga.

He may be about to learn a first hand lesson in "Supply and Demand".

[Rack Bauer]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
************************************************** **************************

Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.


Best news I've read all day.

[SouthernStar]

Unless he wants to spend another season sitting on his *** and not drawing a paycheck.
He got paid last year. In the NFL, if you're on the roster Opening Day, you get paid for the WHOLE year. He also kept that big signing bonus he got from Philly year before last.

[Rack Bauer]

The articles from all the major papers, nflnetwork, espn all claim that the eagles received no offers when they reported the release of TO. I know there were some rumors from other sources prior to his release, but the mainstream guys claim otherwise.


Philly's owner (or GM, I forget) said 27 teams had inquired about TO during the combine.

[DWAREZ]

I started to try to explain it to you but if it is not obvious to you why he is a knucklehead then it never will be. So I will save myself the time and effort of attempting to explain this simple ethics concept. That is the problem with ethics; the concepts are truly simple but they are difficult to explain without going into a lengthy dissertation.

Ethics are case relative and complex that certainly beg more philosophical questions than necessary in this context. It is really hard to pull the "ethics" card in this case particulary due to the fact that the NFL itself is capitalism exemplified in power consumerism. The league is a product and marketing machine that entertains to be sure but also makes a lot of people really rich.

On these grounds you can forget about making an ethical case of why TO should desire "less" money as opposed to more money for
a contract. The question of his attitude, argument with McNabb and circumventing the system in Philly through insubordination could warrant the NFL "ethics" card as defined by the league and players having been violated to be sure. The NFL community as a whole should address ethical standards in such matters with clear cut boundries and consequences.

However, some players find it difficult to reconcile how if they underperform they can be cut from a given team and have their contract terminated arbitrarily. However, if they sign a contract
and exceed expectations then there can be no negotiation for more money for better performance. I think this is why incentives could be helpful even in light of a time-sensitive fair market price. This allows the team the latitude to cut or reward the player based on play and the player a way to be rewarded for outstanding play as they are prime to be cut for poor play otherwise.

:)

[JackMagist]

T.O. may not have taken Economics 101 at UT-Chattanooga.

He may be about to learn a first hand lesson in "Supply and Demand".He also needs to learn that damaged goods sell for less than the going rate...and HE is (brain) damaged.

[speedkilz88]

Philly's owner (or GM, I forget) said 27 teams had inquired about TO during the combine.Inquired doesn't mean draft picks were offered and all the major mainstream media claim that no offers were made.

[Rack Bauer]

Inquired doesn't mean draft picks were offered and all the major mainstream media claim that no offers were made.


The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.

[silverbear]

Inquired doesn't mean draft picks were offered and all the major mainstream media claim that no offers were made.

OK, we get it-- you don't believe CaptainAmerica...

Now, could you kindly give it a rest, and let those of us who ARE interested in even wild rumors think about what the guy had to say??

Has it occurred to you that the Iggles' front office might be passing out disinformation, lest their fan base get pissed that TO was released when they could have gotten a draft pick for him?? Further, has it occurred to you that maybe the mediots don't know they're talking about?? Certainly, we have seen many, many occasions over the years where those yokels were all saying the same things, and they were all wrong...

[JackMagist]

He got paid last year. In the NFL, if you're on the roster Opening Day, you get paid for the WHOLE year. He also kept that big signing bonus he got from Philly year before last.Actually he lost one fourth of his base salary last year. He was suspended without pay for 4 games for conduct detrimental to the team. The suspension supersedes the guaranteed full year salary.

BTW the guaranteed salary can only be collected ONE time in a player’s career and he has to elect to collect it. If a player elects to collect a full year's salary for any given year (for whatever reason) that will be the ONLY time that the full season will ever be guaranteed to him. That is unless this was changed under the new CBA which I have not seen where it was one of the changes
.

[silverbear]

The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.

C'mon, Rack, anybody with a lick of common sense knows that if mediots like Mort and Clayton say X, and some GM says Y, then X is the truth...

[Ashwynn]

Music to my ears.

[ka0tik]

doesnt mean anything. Dallas looks like is the one whos offering more. TO is still a big possibility. IMO.

[danny0812]

KC made an offer through the media and have not been contacted by Owens or anyone connected to Owens. I live in the Chiefs market and can say 100% sure they have not made any offer directly to TO. Also have read in a dallas morning news report that Jerry is on vacation with his family and TO has not made any visits and has none scheduled as of yet. TO or no TO i just wish we would start making some kind of moves and keep up with the redskins. wheres our saftey? wheres our o-line help? adam v.? Never thought jerry would just sit there and let all the good ones get away. And i also cant blame TO for asking for more money. If im best at what i do for a living i want more money than the flunkie who just signed before me. Hell Bryant got a pretty sweet deal and noone even mentioned that parcells had to ship his *** outta dallas for being a locker room cancer. Give TO the money and let him run amuck on the NFC east. And as far as TO going to Miami? Do you really think he would get along better with Daunte? That would be another situation like him and donovan. Just my 2 cents.

[big dog cowboy]

Ethics are case relative and complex that certainly beg more philosophical questions than necessary in this context. It is really hard to pull the "ethics" card in this case particulary due to the fact that the NFL itself is capitalism exemplified in power consumerism. The league is a product and marketing machine that entertains to be sure but also makes a lot of people really rich.

On these grounds you can forget about making an ethical case of why TO should desire "less" money as opposed to more money for
a contract. The question of his attitude, argument with McNabb and circumventing the system in Philly through insubordination could warrant the NFL "ethics" card as defined by the league and players having been violated to be sure. The NFL community as a whole should address ethical standards in such matters with clear cut boundries and consequences.

However, some players find it difficult to reconcile how if they underperform they can be cut from a given team and have their contract terminated arbitrarily. However, if they sign a contract
and exceed expectations then there can be no negotiation for more money for better performance. I think this is why incentives could be helpful even in light of a time-sensitive fair market price. This allows the team the latitude to cut or reward the player based on play and the player a way to be rewarded for outstanding play as they are prime to be cut for poor play otherwise.

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Bold is not better

[big dog cowboy]

The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.
Actually you are correct. Carl Peterson (Chef GM) was on TV and said a one year offer was on the table. Explained the offer a little and based on what he said TO will not be going to KC IMHO.

[DWAREZ]

]
Bold is not better

Unnecessary is better? :bang2::bang2::eek:

[slick325]

I ask this question though. If Dallas had a trade in place and sent it to Philly why don't they send a similar request to GB for Walker?

[Rack Bauer]

I ask this question though. If Dallas had a trade in place and sent it to Philly why don't they send a similar request to GB for Walker?


Dallas offered nothing more then a low round pick to the Eagles for TO, cuz they knew they'd release him anyway.


Dallas can't make that offer to GB for Walker cuz they are not going to release him.


I'd give up a second for Walker though, in a heartbeat. Young, big, fast, productive... ACL injuries (his wasn't severe) aren't a big deal anymore. Not unless they are severe.

[JackMagist]

Ethics are case relative and complex that certainly beg more philosophical questions than necessary in this context. It is really hard to pull the "ethics" card in this case particulary due to the fact that the NFL itself is capitalism exemplified in power consumerism. The league is a product and marketing machine that entertains to be sure but also makes a lot of people really rich.

On these grounds you can forget about making an ethical case of why TO should desire "less" money as opposed to more money for
a contract. The question of his attitude, argument with McNabb and circumventing the system in Philly through insubordination could warrant the NFL "ethics" card as defined by the league and players having been violated to be sure. The NFL community as a whole should address ethical standards in such matters with clear cut boundries and consequences.

However, some players find it difficult to reconcile how if they underperform they can be cut from a given team and have their contract terminated arbitrarily. However, if they sign a contract
and exceed expectations then there can be no negotiation for more money for better performance. I think this is why incentives could be helpful even in light of a time-sensitive fair market price. This allows the team the latitude to cut or reward the player based on play and the player a way to be rewarded for outstanding play as they are prime to be cut for poor play otherwise.
While I agree that the NFL is not an institution that is particularly conducive to ethical behavior I would contend that there are generally accepted norms that players (agents et al) are expected to operate within. I think it is safe to say that Owens has operated well outside of these norms (standards if you will) otherwise we would likely not be having this discussion.

I contend that it is necessary that even within the cutthroat world of professional sports there has to be standards of ethical behavior. And these standards must be adhered to in order to prevent the collapse of the entire institution. It is therefore incumbent upon the institution (both labor and management) to uphold a degree integrity by not allowing a single player (even a very talented one like Owens) to undermine those standards. They can do this by simply not offering him a contract and send a message to the rest of the players that they can push only so far.

We can only hope that the league (through the individual teams) will see it this way. We should hope this for the good of the future of the league.

[Rack Bauer]

Ok one person typing in all bold is annoying enough!

[JackMagist]

Ok one person typing in all bold is annoying enough!
LOL sorry Rack...just responding in kind ;)

[Rack Bauer]

LOL sorry Rack...just responding in kind ;)


I know that. I'm not sure ROYDESTROY (or whatever his name is) will figure it out though.

[Rush 2112]

The KC GM said they made an offer. Why would he lie?


You're wrong. Get over it.

Someone just got schooled:laugh2: :laugh1: :bow:

Someone catch the license plate on that bus that ran over speedkillz88?

[Calicowboy]

Hey I have a brilliant idea, let's sign T.O! We'll sign him to an incentive laden contract. He'll be on his best behavior to prove his naysayers wrong and resume his role in the spotlight! He'll change his ways, he has to, he has no other option! ...

BRILLIANT!!

Disclaimer: Please read the above post with sarcasm. I hope nobody on here believes the 32yr old T.O will change to benefit anybody else, BUT T.O.

[MONT17]

yeah the COWBOYS love trading for those guys who get KICKED off teams... I tell ya one thing if they gave Philly a cup of coffe for MeO I would have called in a POSTAL THREAT! Because my brother in law is looks like NEWMAN!

I'm tried and I have MeO on the brain!


look this is the last thing before the sand man gets me... this is what I wanna dream about before the cheerleader Chad Johnson proposed to... I want NO TEAM to cave into MeO... I want him to think he is going to sit out mini camp and training camp before he signs and realize NO ONE wants him!


teams have got to be strong coaches and GMs...Fans we have to stand up to this guy because we will always have players HIJAKING this league with " well if the can cut me I can ask for more money".... I dont know about u guys but this guys next move is to walk out of a game or not show up for a game... I see it in him!!! unless you make his grandmother the asst. Wrs coach I say let him sit!!!!


I hope Jerry goes out and trades for Walker or signs a player like MOULDS resign Meyshawn.... whatever but put this guy in his place....



godnight and I hope noone has MeO nightmares...

[DWAREZ]

ackMagist]While I agree that the NFL is not an institution that is particularly conducive to ethical behavior I would contend that there are generally accepted norms that players (agents et al) are expected to operate within. I think it is safe to say that Owens has operated well outside of these norms (standards if you will) otherwise we would likely not be having this discussion.

[/B]First,the issue is that you cannot expect to ground a valid TO criticism on money matters in some type of general type of appeal to "ethics" which begs the question who's ethics? Something being "conducive" to an abstract notion of "ethics" is meaningless to this discussion on those terms. However, there are some general policies and standards in place, though not precise and established enough that can be understood as NFL community standards. However, this in no way should be understood as abstract notion of civic "ethical standards" as defined by those outside the league.

The problem is that there are not generally practiced "norms" (abstract) by which all players, owners and agents follow on a regular basis. There are some disciplinary measures provided for certain offenses but then there are gross offenses that are overlooked. You are correct in admitting the NFL is not "conducive" to some type of "ethical behavior" because the genesis of modern notions of the game do not reflect civil soceity as in 1950's culture. Perhaps they once did but instead the modern NFL has its own culture of owners, players and agents that reflect the materialism that many in our contemporary civil soceity covet at large.

Look at Karl Poston's offenses, Randy Moss' Agents activities and even Drew Rosenhaus in the TO matter. Look at Jevon Walker and Culpepper demanding to be cut or traded with the threat of not playing if they do get their way. Look at owners cutting players they are contractually committed to simply to circumvent the cap ramifications though not based on performance or worth. Look at older players cut for their age or because a better option comes forth even though they signed long deals. The committed to a contract notion should work both ways to a reasonable measure to avoid these issues but obviously does not.

The well oiled Captialistic machine seeks to entertain and celebrate success in play and financial gain It is within this culture of glory and cash that many players and owners find mutual success and tension (see the CBA negotiations). I already mentioned how teams can arbitrarily terminate an agreed upon "contract" that they also committed to but that rarely is raised as somehow problematic. Conversely, a player who excells and out performs a time-sensitive contract should not expect some type of reward? The incentives could be a way around this but the contract should be binding on BOTH parties if tension is to be eliminated.

In the case of TO, he was disciplined within the context of the NFL rules that are in place but many times those associated with or guilty of acts such as rape, lude sexual acts, suspicion of covering up murder, spousal abuse and repeated drug abuse are somehow given a slap on the wrist for such henious and detestable "civil" violations. Occassionally, the NFL addresses the matters but it is not with regularity on some of these matters. I do think TO went way too far and should of handled his dispute in a more appropriate manner to be sure but certainly there are much greater offenses that occur that do not receive the same attention that they should accordingly.


The NFL players, owners and organizations should determine not only general but specific "ethical" standards with regard to business operations, contract stipulations and owner/player relations to avoid the TO type episodes. The reason we are having this discussion is precisely because these matters need to be but have not been properly addressed substantially speaking and this leads to tensions often in contractual discussions.



I contend that it is necessary that even within the cutthroat world of professional sports there has to be standards of ethical behavior. And these standards must be adhered to in order to prevent the collapse of the entire institution. It is therefore incumbent upon the institution (both labor and management) to uphold a degree integrity by not allowing a single player (even a very talented one like Owens) to undermine those standards. They can do this by simply not offering him a contract and send a message to the rest of the players that they can push only so far.

I certainly agree with your point if you define "ethical behavior" in relationship to NFL community standards but you do realize your qualification of the context "cutthroat world" somewhat undermines your appeal to "ethical behavior" to a degree. It is a different world than our civil soceity to a large degree where many Billionares and Millionares abound with much ego and arrogance of players, agents, owners and coaches. There are some NFL community standards in place but I would venture to say they need to be further defined, implemented to ALL parties and furthermore actually practiced. These standards apply to not just a single player but to all players, agents, owners, coaches and officials without preference or difference.
[B]
We can only hope that the league (through the individual teams) will see it this way. We should hope this for the good of the future of the league.

I agree completely but must say "bold is not better"...lol.:laugh2::laugh1::)

[DWAREZ]

I know that. I'm not sure ROYDESTROY (or whatever his name is) will figure it out though.

Who cares Rack..you are tolerated just as many others I am sure bold type does not hurt your feelings. I mean like your signature and general attitude do not irritate many of us.

[Rack Bauer]

Who cares Rack..you are tolerated just as many others I am sure bold type does not hurt your feelings. I mean like your signature and general attitude do not irritate many of us.


Yes, I'm sure my sig annoys many people here. :rolleyes:


And my feelings have nothing to do with it. It's my f'in eyes that do get "hurt" though.

How about this, why don't you do the entire forum a favor and quit f'in bolding every one of your f'in posts.

[Zaxor]

Yes, I'm sure my sig annoys many people here. :rolleyes:


And my feelings have nothing to do with it. It's my f'in eyes that do get "hurt" though.

How about this, why don't you do the entire forum a favor and quit f'in bolding every one of your f'in posts.

I would like that too...its okay to emphasis a word or two...but it is too much man...I really have enjoyed your posts in the past but to be honest I haven"t read a one since you went to bold...some of our eyes are not what they once were

[Rack Bauer]

...


Welcome to my ever growing ignore list.


I guess it was too hard for you to have the common courtesy of NOT bolding your posts since it's OBVIOUS it's bothersome to several members here.


Oh well, not my problem anymore.

[Woods]

I've got to think that JJ/BP would be (at least a bit) upset if they thought they had a deal with TO and now he's wants more money.

The big positive, IMO, is that JJ/BP can focus on re-signing Key, trading for Walker, etc., etc. and hopefully move on.

I don't think we would have paid for Givens, Randel El contract anyways whether we were after TO or not. . . . so it's not like we've lost players we would have signed over this past week.

[SultanOfSix]

Is this news shocking? TO's problem has always been about the money and not being paid what he's worth. He's a top three receiver in the NFL. He expects to be paid like one. How would you feel if people who performed at a lesser level than you got paid more than you? You wouldn't be happy about it. All these overinflated valued contracts in the current free agency market has caused this issue.

[Rack Bauer]

Is this news shocking? TO's problem has always been about the money and not being paid what he's worth. He's a top three receiver in the NFL. He expects to be paid like one. How would you feel if people who performed at a lesser level than you got paid more than you? You wouldn't be happy about it. All these overinflated valued contracts in the current free agency market has caused this issue.


I think you're oversimplifying the issue as it pertains to TO. I mean, I have no doubt HE feels that way, but if you feel the same way then you're oversimplifying it.

[burmafrd]

TO has no one but himself to blame for the mess he is in now. NO ONE ELSE.

[Hoov]

Is this news shocking? TO's problem has always been about the money and not being paid what he's worth. He's a top three receiver in the NFL. He expects to be paid like one. How would you feel if people who performed at a lesser level than you got paid more than you? You wouldn't be happy about it. All these overinflated valued contracts in the current free agency market has caused this issue.

True about him getting paid less than players he outperformed. The main issue is how he handled it, it just shows everyone the lengths that he will go to if he feels pressed. Wonder if things would have gone differently had the eagles made some adjustment or met him halfway.

[dmq]

Yeah, lets sign TO to a contract that is less than what he thinks he deserves. That'll never blow up in our face.:rolleyes:

[watertown]

I cannot believe you guys actually believe any of that

[zenzen]

Why am I not surprised by this attitude from TO.

It is just really sad that such talent should be wasted on such a total knucklehead.
The irony is, it's his very 'knuckleheadness' that makes him such a talented player.

A lot of the most successful athletes in the world reach that status because they have an unhealthy psychological pathology. They are driven by an intensity of fear much greater than your average (psychologically and skill-wise) player. And this intensity, when brought to training, practice or competition, allows them to push past normal barriers with fear as their motivator.

Having a player like this on your team is a double-edged sword. You get their skill, but also their pathology.

Sometimes it works out (Chicago Bulls), sometimes it doesn't (Philadelphia Eagles).

The real issue is that these individuals need help. The American sporting arena and culture only feeds, strenthens and supports the fear.

[Jarv]

Yeah, lets sign TO to a contract that is less than what he thinks he deserves. That'll never blow up in our face.:rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly. We can low ball him then pay for it later...Probably when we really need him.

Sometimes the best thing to do is walk away from a deal.

[speedkilz88]

OK, we get it-- you don't believe CaptainAmerica...

Now, could you kindly give it a rest, and let those of us who ARE interested in even wild rumors think about what the guy had to say??

Has it occurred to you that the Iggles' front office might be passing out disinformation, lest their fan base get pissed that TO was released when they could have gotten a draft pick for him?? Further, has it occurred to you that maybe the mediots don't know they're talking about?? Certainly, we have seen many, many occasions over the years where those yokels were all saying the same things, and they were all wrong...Actually, I made it a point to say that I know CA is solid guy. I don't believe he made anything up. But I also know that good people can get a hold of bad info. All I was doing was pointing out that all the mainstream guys including the nfl network say that no compensation was offered to the eagles. Yes teams asked to talk to TO and made contract offers to him, but nothing to the eagles. Just thought I would point it out, but some decided to twist what I was saying. Including you.

[REDVOLUTION]

My thoughts exactly. We can low ball him then pay for it later...Probably when we really need him.

Sometimes the best thing to do is walk away from a deal.

Yeah.... you basically have to give him top dollar and the contract DOES have to have clauses and stipulations(an exit strategy) OTHERWISE I think he knows he aint gettin nothing....

Jerry is the man to get him his big bucks and TO should know that and ride that wave... if he were smart.... and THAT is the big question

[CaptainAmerica]

Actually, I made it a point to say that I know CA is solid guy. I don't believe he made anything up. But I also know that good people can get a hold of bad info. All I was doing was pointing out that all the mainstream guys including the nfl network say that no compensation was offered to the eagles. Yes teams asked to talk to TO and made contract offers to him, but nothing to the eagles. Just thought I would point it out, but some decided to twist what I was saying. Including you.


Good morning!

speed,

I would just point out that what is officially reported in any major news story is often not the complete story. A lot of things go on that we are never privy to. If you've ever been around an event or issue that became newsworthy, you know that's the case.

Also, it's a matter of semantics. A team like Dallas "inquires" about T.O.,"mentioning" to Philly they might be interested in "working something out" with Philly.

"Well, what do you have in mind?"
"Well, we'd consider something like a 6th, 7th round pick."
"No thanks, we are really not interested in that", (Division rival and all).
Etc. Etc.

You get the gist of what I'm saying. There is a lot that goes on in anything that just never makes the news.

For example, in the CBA negotiations, there was in fact verbal agreement on a deal when they all were in NY that last time. However, at the last second the low revenue guys got cold feet and pulled out. That never made the media reports.
Jerry was never the problem, he was an asset to getting the deal done.That led to Tags extending the deadline and the big owner's meeting in Dallas where they twisted some arms and got it done.

[silverbear]

Actually, I made it a point to say that I know CA is solid guy. I don't believe he made anything up. But I also know that good people can get a hold of bad info. All I was doing was pointing out that all the mainstream guys including the nfl network say that no compensation was offered to the eagles. Yes teams asked to talk to TO and made contract offers to him, but nothing to the eagles. Just thought I would point it out, but some decided to twist what I was saying. Including you.

So, you're saying that you don't believe anything unless you hear it from some "mainstream guy"??

Well, 'scuse me, but I find Chris Mortensen and John Clayton and Len Pastabelly and the rest of them to be JOKES... they get some right, they get way too many wrong... so just because I haven't read from one of the "mainstream guys", I'm not gonna assume it's not true...

But hey, you go ahead and believe your gurus, if you think they're infallible...

[ConcordCowboy]

If this report is true...Owens didn't turn down the Trade...The Eagles did.

Owens might have agreed to a new contract to get traded...But Now he's a Free Agent...So now all bets are off and he's going to try to get the best deal there is.

I don't blame him at all...

We don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a contract with him...That how all the problems in Philly started.

[lspain1]

If this report is true...Owens didn't turn down the Trade...The Eagles did.

Owens might have agreed to a new contract to get traded...But Now he's a Free Agent...So now all bets are off and he's going to try to get the best deal there is.

I don't blame him at all...

We don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a contract with him...That how all the problems in Philly started.


I agree with this sentiment (even though I am pretty tired already with the TO 'saga'). If a deal is to be made, I want both parties happy with it. If that means TO needs to test the market then so be it. That's exactly what we did with Keyshawn. Key wanted more money and the Cowboys didn't think it was right, so "Go test the market with our blessing, if it doesn't work out come back and we'll talk." If the Cowboys had dug in their heels they would have had an unhappy player.

You can draw 'bad attitude' conclusions from this and many already have. Folks, this is business. Players want to be paid for their services and I don't blame them. I still think Dallas and TO make a good fit and a deal will come together. We'll see.

[vicjagger]

A rumor isn't a real rumor unless you spend $79.95/year to get it from a professional rumor monger.:rolleyes:

[Erik_H]

Seriously one of my sources told me to look out for Miami as a possible place for T.O. to land.

Really? My source has told me that he's gonna be a Packer.
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Of course, my source is just a voice in my head that only whispers in the dark of the night....so take it for what it's worth.
:drunk:

:wink2:

[DLCassidy]

I agree with this sentiment (even though I am pretty tired already with the TO 'saga'). If a deal is to be made, I want both parties happy with it. If that means TO needs to test the market then so be it. That's exactly what we did with Keyshawn. Key wanted more money and the Cowboys didn't think it was right, so "Go test the market with our blessing, if it doesn't work out come back and we'll talk." If the Cowboys had dug in their heels they would have had an unhappy player.

You can draw 'bad attitude' conclusions from this and many already have. Folks, this is business. Players want to be paid for their services and I don't blame them. I still think Dallas and TO make a good fit and a deal will come together. We'll see.

Best post in the thread IMO.

[lspain1]

Best post in the thread IMO.

Thanks DLCassidy


so, always listen to lspain1. He's wise, thoughtful, handsome to women, and above all, modest!:D

[Doomsday101]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
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Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.

I hope this is the case and Dallas passes on him, you have an idiot player and an idiot agent that is a bad combination.

[CaptainAmerica]

If this report is true...Owens didn't turn down the Trade...The Eagles did.

Owens might have agreed to a new contract to get traded...But Now he's a Free Agent...So now all bets are off and he's going to try to get the best deal there is.

I don't blame him at all...

We don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a contract with him...That how all the problems in Philly started.


Good point. Rosenhaus may be saying hey I've now got to see what he's worth on the open market.

[Redball Express]

Maybe it's the best thing that can happen for us all around.

It let's all the parties involved take a deep breathe and reassess their directions.

If there was a deal in place with Dallas and TO to trade and now that TO is released he wants a different deal, that tells Dallas exactly what we knew going into this.

Anything TO agrees to is subject to change whenever any other player in the NFL gets a better contract.

This is what got the 9ers into a mess with him and then the Iggles.

TO will not and cannot honor his contracts.

I'm also doubtful about giving all this money involved to a player that only played half a season and coming off an injury from the previous year.

As I recall, he played in that 1st game we played the Iggles in last year and he was a non-factor.

So do we really jump off a cliff with wanting him if he's not the player he was before the ankle injury in 2004 and he's still not capable of honoring his contracts or implied contracts..?

I'd say not.

BP and company will immediately do an about face and look for other opportunities in FA or the Draft or both.

Or even by trade if something shakes loose.

Key might be an option. But I think he's going to go somewhere else after all this has happened. Returning to Dallas after being released just doesn't sound like his style.

And the contract demands he left on the table before his departure in Dallas or threats to retire will still be an impediment.

Look, I don't think this changes all that much for us for 2006.

We definitely needed to get younger at WR. Maybe the Dallas braintrust finally agrees now.

And maybe they are looking at moving towards resolving that quickly rather than later.

Yeah..!!

I'd like us to draft a young WR #1 or #2 if the value is better and get that done and then sign a guy like Moulds if he gets free or somebody else that might drop from the sky after other teams draft and have to cut their current WR's when they draft.

If this TO thing drags out, I think Dallas starts to look at other options and this TO panic attack starts to cool quickly.

I'm not going to freak.

You have to also wonder this.

Does Dallas think that Crayton was going to challenge Key anyway this season..?

His name hasn't been mentioned too much at Key's departure, but I wonder if that's because they hope he can step up but don't want to put the spotlight on him yet and place additional pressure on him at this point.

We had all heard that Dallas was wanting to groom him for the possession WR slot anyway for when Key wasn't going to be here.

Realizing his ankle injury last year, is Dallas willing to take a chance that Crayton can do Key's job and just moving him up at this point..?

I haven't heard anybody mention his recovery once the season ended. I'm supposing the Cowboys have the latest reports.

So as we continue to hear that Key's release wasn't connected to TO and that Key's future was in doubt here in Dallas with retirement concerns..

..that makes me beleive Dallas is leaning towards Crayton as a starter and probably drafting a WR to groom and bringing in a vet WR as the #3 guy as backup.

Could the team succeed with Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, Patrick Crayton and a rookie WR..?

I think we could if the rookie WR has skills that could get him about 10-15 snaps a ballgame and have him be the slot WR or split wide and bring Crayton inside to be slot.

Bledsoe is very capable of working with a new rookie WR and getting results.

Look what he was doing with Crayton before he got hurt.

Crayton was a raw as could be in his second season last year and Bledsoe had him playing like a Pro Bowl alternate.

So I think we are still OK at this point. We don't play a game for 6 months.

Good thing.

parcellswaterboy

[TX Cowboy]

...from a guy who works in and has contacts in the NFL. This makes a lot of sense with how quiet things have been and the recent reports by Mort and Schefter saying this T.O. situation could take a while.
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Some people never learn. This is what I've been able to dig up.

The Cowboys offered a trade to the Eagles and had a deal in place with T.O. The Eagles declined the trade.

Dallas then figured that same deal would be in place if he was released but now T.O. and Rosenhaus want more money. The David Givens deal was the one that really triggered it.T.O. now believes he can get more money on the open market than he orgininally thought.

Here's the problem: The Chiefs are only willing to offer him a one-year deal. The Dolphins are officially out. The Broncos have been backtracking ever since Elway spoke out publicly against T.O. coming there.

Now, Dallas is cooling on him as well. Parcells doesn't want to deal with this drama and now the team is turning their attention back to re-signing Keyshawn or possibliy Eric Moulds if he's released.

This ****ing guy is crazy. Jones may change his mind and give T.O. the money he wants but as of right now, no one is in the T.O. race because his contract demands went up.

I guess some people will never change.

Link for proof

[ConcordCowboy]

Good point. Rosenhaus may be saying hey I've now got to see what he's worth on the open market.

Of Course he is...He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.

[benny112980]

this doesn't mean we won't sign him. It just means we'll have to sign him to a higher contract than initially thought. I have a hard time believing this update, if Dallas had offered Philly a trade we would have heard about it on NFL Network, ESPN, or at least on one of the major sports sites. It's not like other teams are throwing offers at him, so there is no need for JJ to panic on signing him. TO and his agent are doing what every big name FA does, testing the market before signing.

[Ashwynn]

Of Course he is...He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.
Well let us not forget, Rosenhaus has obstensibly worked for free for two years, expceting a HUGE payday to 'back' pay him for thse two years. No way Rosenhaus lets Terrell sign a $700,000 contract. or whatever vet minimum is these days.

So when you consider Terrell, consider paying his agent for those two years of free service.

Just another negitive in the Terrell saga!

[Gamebreaker]

You guys are better off without this headcase. I guarantee if Bledsoe couldn't get along with Meshawn, he definitely won't get along with TO. Owens has had issues with every QB he's had. If you sign him, it won't be long before he tears your team apart.

[TX Cowboy]

You guys are better off without this headcase. I guarantee if Bledsoe couldn't get along with Meshawn, he definitely won't get along with TO. Owens has had issues with every QB he's had. If you sign him, it won't be long before he tears your team apart.

We are? we have no legit number 1 reciever on the team, I don't expect
Bledsoe to do anything, If we don't have a true number 1 catching passes. Now if Dallas wants to lose, Than don't sign T.O. just like it did with the whole Randy Moss disaster of 98, it comes back to bite us in the *** like it all ways has

[Gamebreaker]

We are? we have no legit number 1 reciever on the team, I don't expect
Bledsoe to do anything, If we don't have a true number 1 catching passes. Now if Dallas wants to lose, Than don't sign T.O. just like it did with the whole Randy Moss disaster of 98, it comes back to bite us in the *** like it all ways has

So it doesn't bother you, that in all likelihood, he'll make your passing attack better AND in two years split your locker room? That has been his history, and what's he's done for his two teams throughout his career.

[Ashwynn]

We are? we have no legit number 1 reciever on the team, I don't expect
Bledsoe to do anything, If we don't have a true number 1 catching passes. Now if Dallas wants to lose, Than don't sign T.O. just like it did with the whole Randy Moss disaster of 98, it comes back to bite us in the *** like it all ways has
Yes! We are. By far. Must protect the star.

Did not mean to go Cowboy poet on you there, but man, we will get a receiver and a few more olinemen. My god, you realize free agency goes till like august right. We have not had Aprils or Mays cuts yet, any roster bonuses coming due then? We have not had June 1 cuts yets. Who knows who is going to become available ove this time frame.

My god, cause we are not a set team ready to roll into the draft on March 16th, we might as well sell our soles to the devil and hope he can fix what Jones is working on? Is that what I am hearing?

Just an FYI also, Common players are getting huge money. Look at Snyder. Hes spent, and has 3 recievers and another SS to show for it. Did they pick up a QB somewhere too? But hes out of the game now. They are set for the draft.

When players get released, we will be there ready to scope em out and offer then a reasonable market value. Not over pay for a common player. Jones has the right idea here, go on vacation and let the Snyders blow their wads, come back and cherry pick the best values.

[DBoys]

I don't buy this rumor one bit. No way Dallas trades for TO when they know he gets released.

Anyone can see Rosenhaus would test the open market and use that to drive up the price on Dallas. Dallas is in complete control and hold all the cards. TO is in for a rude awakening.

[JackMagist]

First,the issue is that you cannot expect to ground a valid TO criticism on money matters in some type of general type of appeal to "ethics" which begs the question who's ethics? Something being "conducive" to an abstract notion of "ethics" is meaningless to this discussion on those terms. However, there are some general policies and standards in place, though not precise and established enough that can be understood as NFL community standards. However, this in no way should be understood as abstract notion of civic "ethical standards" as defined by those outside the league.

The problem is that there are not generally practiced "norms" (abstract) by which all players, owners and agents follow on a regular basis. There are some disciplinary measures provided for certain offenses but then there are gross offenses that are overlooked. You are correct in admitting the NFL is not "conducive" to some type of "ethical behavior" because the genesis of modern notions of the game do not reflect civil soceity as in 1950's culture. Perhaps they once did but instead the modern NFL has its own culture of owners, players and agents that reflect the materialism that many in our contemporary civil soceity covet at large

Look at Karl Poston's offenses, Randy Moss' Agents activities and even Drew Rosenhaus in the TO matter. Look at Jevon Walker and Culpepper demanding to be cut or traded with the threat of not playing if they do get their way. Look at owners cutting players they are contractually committed to simply to circumvent the cap ramifications though not based on performance or worth. Look at older players cut for their age or because a better option comes forth even though they signed long deals. The committed to a contract notion should work both ways to a reasonable measure to avoid these issues but obviously does not. I disagree that there are not generally practiced norms. The ethical standards to which I referred were not standards "as defined by those outside the league"; they were standards generally (not specifically) adhered to Within the league. They are most definitely NOT the standards expected within Society at large.

Certainly Carl Poston was one of the ones who pushed those boundaries on a regular basis. It is the reason that some teams, the Cowboys included, refuse to deal with him or hire his clients. The fact that some teams will not deal with him does in fact support the idea that there are "standards" of conduct for both players and agents.

The well oiled Captialistic machine seeks to entertain and celebrate success in play and financial gain It is within this culture of glory and cash that many players and owners find mutual success and tension (see the CBA negotiations). I already mentioned how teams can arbitrarily terminate an agreed upon "contract" that they also committed to but that rarely is raised as somehow problematic. Conversely, a player who excells and out performs a time-sensitive contract should not expect some type of reward? The incentives could be a way around this but the contract should be binding on BOTH parties if tension is to be eliminated.

In the case of TO, he was disciplined within the context of the NFL rules that are in place but many times those associated with or guilty of acts such as rape, lude sexual acts, suspicion of covering up murder, spousal abuse and repeated drug abuse are somehow given a slap on the wrist for such henious and detestable "civil" violations. Occassionally, the NFL addresses the matters but it is not with regularity on some of these matters. I do think TO went way too far and should of handled his dispute in a more appropriate manner to be sure but certainly there are much greater offenses that occur that do not receive the same attention that they should accordingly.

The NFL players, owners and organizations should determine not only general but specific "ethical" standards with regard to business operations, contract stipulations and owner/player relations to avoid the TO type episodes. The reason we are having this discussion is precisely because these matters need to be but have not been properly addressed substantially speaking and this leads to tensions often in contractual discussions.

I certainly agree with your point if you define "ethical behavior" in relationship to NFL community standards but you do realize your qualification of the context "cutthroat world" somewhat undermines your appeal to "ethical behavior" to a degree. It is a different world than our civil soceity to a large degree where many Billionares and Millionares abound with much ego and arrogance of players, agents, owners and coaches. There are some NFL community standards in place but I would venture to say they need to be further defined, implemented to ALL parties and furthermore actually practiced. These standards apply to not just a single player but to all players, agents, owners, coaches and officials without preference or difference.
The threat of holdouts and demands for a trade has long been part of the negotiating tools for players. They are countered by the team’s ability to cut players who are either not producing or cost too much against the salary cap. It is after all as we have both agreed a cutthroat business. I am not talking about some utopian ideal here; I am simply saying that there are certain conducts that are unacceptable. If there were not then Owens would have far more teams showing interest and far fewer teams pulling their offers or disavowing their alleged interest.

As far as defining and implementing a set standard and putting it to paper; it is unlikely to happen. This is after all a microcosm of capitalism replete with labor management strife. You yourself pointed out the difficulty of negotiations with the CBA. Can you imagine the can of worms that would be opened by trying to define and agree upon a code of conduct beyond what is already in place? These standards are simply something that will have to seek their own level through actual interaction between players and management. It is this level that I pray management does not allow to sink to a new low by giving in to the likes of Terrell Owens.

We can only hope that the league (through the individual teams) will see it this way. We should hope this for the good of the future of the league.

I agree completely but must say "bold is not better"...lol.:laugh2::laugh1::)Ok no bold this time...Rack will be so happy :laugh2:

[ConcordCowboy]

Well let us not forget, Rosenhaus has obstensibly worked for free for two years, expceting a HUGE payday to 'back' pay him for thse two years. No way Rosenhaus lets Terrell sign a $700,000 contract. or whatever vet minimum is these days.

So when you consider Terrell, consider paying his agent for those two years of free service.

Just another negitive in the Terrell saga!

Good point that does trouble me...

But Sign T.O. Anyways!:D

[silverbear]

Thanks DLCassidy


so, always listen to lspain1. He's wise, thoughtful, handsome to women, and above all, modest!:D

A regular legend in his own mind... :bow: :lmao2:

[silverbear]

Maybe it's the best thing that can happen for us all around.

Well, except for the number of Chicken Littles who will wind up institutionalized after their nervous breakdowns... :banghead:

[Hostile]

I don't buy this rumor one bit. No way Dallas trades for TO when they know he gets released.

Anyone can see Rosenhaus would test the open market and use that to drive up the price on Dallas. Dallas is in complete control and hold all the cards. TO is in for a rude awakening.We did for Keyshawn.

[neosapien23]

We did for Keyshawn.

Yeah but Dallas got rid of Joey Gallowaste in the process and kept Keyashawn off the market.

[ConcordCowboy]

Well, except for the number of Chicken Littles who will wind up institutionalized after their nervous breakdowns... :banghead:

I think you're the One that's going to have a Nervous Breakdown if we sign Owens!:D

[DBoys]

We did for Keyshawn.

Other teams wanted Keyshawn and were willing to pay.

[silverbear]

I think you're the One that's going to have a Nervous Breakdown if we sign Owens!:D

Naw, not a nervous breakdown... but in the first few hours after that disaster, I might well be at risk of having a stroke...

I GIVE nervous breakdowns, I don't HAVE them... LOL...