Norm stated Javon Walker.....

[garyv]

Norm stated Javon Walker.....could be had for a 3rd Round Draft Choice, if this is the case than pull the trigger and lets get Javon Walker in here.

[CrazyCowboy]

Norm stated Javon Walker.....could be had for a 3rd Round Draft Choice, if this is the case than pull the trigger and lets get Javon Walker in here.

That is strictly his GUESS......I seriously doubt GB is telling Norm anything like that. :bang2:

[DanTanna]

A 3rd and giant money?

[Jarv]

Norm stated Javon Walker.....could be had for a 3rd Round Draft Choice, if this is the case than pull the trigger and lets get Javon Walker in here.

Thats about the value of Ellis...Iceberg brought this up a few weeks ago Ellis for Walker.

Youth movement would be great...I'm all over Walker.

[Zaxor]

A 3rd and giant money?

Wow thats real nice of the Giants:)

[Jarv]

A 3rd and giant money?

I have a hotel on Park place ! Hope he lands there !

[cowboysfan31]

Thats about the value of Ellis...Iceberg brought this up a few weeks ago Ellis for Walker.

Youth movement would be great...I'm all over Walker.

I don't think they'd want Ellis. They just signed Kampman to a big deal, and they're hot on the trail of Mario Williams.

[Idgit]

A 3rd and giant money?

Young, pro-bowl caliber players get giant money.

[braw]

Would be a great pick up( young and less baggage).

And in the immortel word of KGB from the movie rounders, " Pay the man his money"

[Roughneck]

Norm stated Javon Walker.....could be had for a 3rd Round Draft Choice, if this is the case than pull the trigger and lets get Javon Walker in here.Green Bay wouldn't be so foolish as to merely ask for a 3rd Round Pick in obtaining their currently disgruntled Wide Receiver's Services, would they?

If they are, pick up the phone Jerruh and place an order for our new #1 WR.

[ABQCOWBOY]

A 3rd and giant money?


I don't think it would be huge money. I think it would be a good size contract but I don't think it would be huge. He is coming off injury so I think that probably lessons the value of the contract but having said that, I'd offer huge incentive if he could come back to the form he showed before the injury. I mean, this is a guy who has consistantly improved each of his first three years in the league. In 2004, his last healthy season, he caught 89 balls for 1382 yards wtih 12 TDs. He also had 7 catches of over 40 yards and had a 15.5 yard per catch average. This guy has breakaway speed and size to go over the middle. 6-3 215lbs and quicks. He will certainly be cheaper then TO IMO and probably better long term. I like Walker a great deal.

[Gamebreaker]

Isn't Javon Walker still injured? What are the chances he'll even be ready for the season?

[InmanRoshi]

Norm has a huge hard on for Walker. He doesn't know what he costs or if he's even for sale. I highly doubt he is given Terrence Murphy's injury.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Green Bay wouldn't be so foolish as to merely ask for a 3rd Round Pick in obtaining their currently disgruntled Wide Receiver's Services, would they?

If they are, pick up the phone Jerruh and place an order for our new #1 WR.


They might. This is his last year so if they can't sign him, he's a free agent next year. They get nothing. He's already said that he would hold out or possibly even retire before he'd play another season in GB so they may not have a great deal of leverage in this negotiation.

[texastwister]

I'm for signing TO but if Walker can be had for a 3rd Jerry needs to cancel his vacation and GIT ER DONE!

[conner01]

the only reason they are considering getting rid of him is because he wants huge money. thats the whole point.i'm not sure he worth 6 mil and yr and a 3rd round pick. ya really think he will sign for less than el got?

[wileedog]

the only reason they are considering getting rid of him is because he wants huge money. thats the whole point.

Well, that and he has publically stated he will never play another down of football for them again.

If I'm GB and he keeps this stance, I'd take a 2nd or 3rd and cut my losses.

[ZenItRam]

All I can do is hope that the Cowboys organization has become fedup with the T.O. saga and goes after this trade.

J. Walker can be a huge asset to this team for years to come!

If the Cowboys don't sign JW and end up with TO ... TO just can't win the big game ... I mean look --->:trophy: :trophy:

[Cbz40]

If a fair deal for Walker can made.....do it. Sounds to me this would be the most logical conclussion to the WR question.

[Ken]

A 3rd and giant money?
And the problem is?

[MrPhil]

If a fair deal for Walker can made.....do it. Sounds to me this would be the most logical conclussion to the WR question.

Totally agree. I wouldn't even mind bringing back Key if we were able to acquire Walker.

[montgod]

Isn't Javon Walker still injured? What are the chances he'll even be ready for the season?

This is the key to a deal. I would hope that his injury hasn't hurt him where it would affect his performance on the field.

But as someone else stated, if we could get Walker and resign Key, that would help out a great deal for insurance purposes. I still am not to high on giving up a 3rd for him seeing as though the Boys will have to pay him some big money. Don't forget who his agent is....

[ABQCOWBOY]

the only reason they are considering getting rid of him is because he wants huge money. thats the whole point.i'm not sure he worth 6 mil and yr and a 3rd round pick. ya really think he will sign for less than el got?


I don't know if I agree with this. You have to consider the circumstances here. GB screwed this guy nine ways to Sunday the past few seasons. This player has produced for GB in a big way up till the injury last year. He and his agent asked for a long term deal to be set up during the 2003 season. The Club asked him to wait till the off season and promised to get something done before the 2004 season started. The Club then came to him and said that if he showed he could have another season like the one he had in 2003, he would get compensated at the end of the 2004 season. Nothing happend. Walker was under paid to start with. He sat out training camp and only after Brett Favre made public statements putting pressure one Walker to come back into camp did Walker agree to play the 2005 season. Well, first game, Walker sustained a knee injury and now the club is not going to pay him what he's worth. If he's the same guy he was before the season, he's worth a major deal. Either way, I would bet that a long term deal with another club would be cheaper then it would ever be for GB simply because he feels like GB screwed him and from all indications, they did. I don't blame him.

[Idgit]

the only reason they are considering getting rid of him is because he wants huge money. thats the whole point.i'm not sure he worth 6 mil and yr and a 3rd round pick. ya really think he will sign for less than el got?

Oh, hell no. Randel El is a part-time gadget player. Waler's a former first round pick, and pro bowl player. He's a straight-up stud. He's been paying on his rookie deal, and didn't even miss a camp. He's one of the few players that talked about a holdout last year that actually had a good point--and he didn't hold out. It'd be like paying Witten or Roy for us. The Packers were foolish to buy the sort of bad blood they bought last year.

His injury was season ending, but not career-threatening. He deserves a massive contract. A third for him would be a pittance, but I'm sure any trade would be a contingency deal based on performance, anyway.

[braw]

This is the key to a deal. I would hope that his injury hasn't hurt him where it would affect his performance on the field.

But as someone else stated, if we could get Walker and resign Key, that would help out a great deal for insurance purposes. I still am not to high on giving up a 3rd for him seeing as though the Boys will have to pay him some big money. Don't forget who his agent is....


He was injured before the Regular season last year and remember Michael Irvin had a knee injury the second year of his career.

[Zippy Speedster]

I've wished we'd had this guy since he was a rookie! Seriously I don't care if we sign TO, we need to sign this guy too.

[Rockytop6]

Norm stated Javon Walker.....could be had for a 3rd Round Draft Choice, if this is the case than pull the trigger and lets get Javon Walker in here.

I can't believe they could get Walker for a 3rd and haven't jumped all over it. Somebody will that has the cap to sign him.

This would be the long term answer because of his youth.

There isn't anybody in the draft that we could get in the 3rd that could come close to what Walker is. I hope JJ doesn't screw this up.

[Jarv]

I can't believe they could get Walker for a 3rd and haven't jumped all over it. Somebody will that has the cap to sign him.

This would be the long term answer because of his youth.

There isn't anybody in the draft that we could get in the 3rd that could come close to what Walker is. I hope JJ doesn't screw this up.

Wasting away again in margaritaville...

[Doomsday101]

I would be in favor of using a 3rd to get Walker, guy has very good talent and is still a young player who would have a chance to be in a Cowboy uniform for a long time

[Alexander]

Norm stated Javon Walker.....could be had for a 3rd Round Draft Choice, if this is the case than pull the trigger and lets get Javon Walker in here.

Hitzges is talking out of his backside.

Walker isn't going anywhere, much less for a third round choice.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think it would be huge money. I think it would be a good size contract but I don't think it would be huge. He is coming off injury so I think that probably lessons the value of the contract

his injury does in fact lessen his value, but not in Javon's eyes, he wants big money, and will ask for it, and I'm a little leery that GB is only reportedly asking for a 3rd for him, they have the money to pay him well...the knee

[iceberg]

the only reason they are considering getting rid of him is because he wants huge money. thats the whole point.i'm not sure he worth 6 mil and yr and a 3rd round pick. ya really think he will sign for less than el got?

he doesn't want "HUGE" money, he wants more than the just over base salaries he's currently getting. green bay won't budge, he wants his $$$, and this is one of those rare occurances i side with the player. if green bay really wanted him they'd pony up and redo his contract.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know if I agree with this. You have to consider the circumstances here. GB screwed this guy nine ways to Sunday the past few seasons.

how did GB screw Javon? he signed the contract

[iceberg]

how did GB screw Javon? he signed the contract

great, and TO was under contract too when traded to baltimore but we see how the NFL let *that* contract stand.

javon was WAY underpaid for his performance. agreed he signed it and 9 times out of 10 i think they should honor it through. but then, we've seen emmitt hold out before too, haven't we?

[wileedog]

how did GB screw Javon? he signed the contract
IMO he feels they let Favre go public with comments criticizing him for holding out. He is very unpopular now in GB, and it really tarnished his ability to play and live there.

I don't blame him for wanting to leave and especially for not wanting to get back on the field with Favre.

[Doomsday101]

how did GB screw Javon? he signed the contract

I agree with that comment. If you don't like the offer then don't sign the contract. Once the contract is up and you want more money then go for it

[wileedog]

I agree with that comment. If you don't like the offer then don't sign the contract. Once the contract is up and you want more money then go for it

In a black and white world, sure.

If you want to keep a stud receiver happy and in a GB uniform during his peak years, you re-do the deal and lock him up long-term.

What's "right" and what is good business are two different things.

[Doomsday101]

great, and TO was under contract too when traded to baltimore but we see how the NFL let *that* contract stand.

javon was WAY underpaid for his performance. agreed he signed it and 9 times out of 10 i think they should honor it through. but then, we've seen emmitt hold out before too, haven't we?

Emmitt contract was up when he held out

[Bob Sacamano]

In a black and white world, sure.

If you want to keep a stud receiver happy and in a GB uniform during his peak years, you re-do the deal and lock him up long-term.

What's "right" and what is good business are two different things.

all true, but remember, up until this year, when Javon was asking for more money, GB was over, or at around the cap limit, so they really couldn't have given him the money that he wanted, he should have waited till this offseason to demand a raise

[iceberg]

Emmitt contract was up when he held out

damn age factor on my part.

like i said, for the most part i agree - sign it, live up to it. HOWEVER, an owner can cut and drop out of the contract at any time. also, as someone else stated, if you KNOW that player deserves more, AND you want to keep them happy and around, you renegeotiate. happens all the time.

if all it takes is a 3, give them a 3 next year and let's move on. we paid that much for our NFLE qb this year. : )

[iceberg]

all true, but remember, up until this year, when Javon was asking for more money, GB was over, or at around the cap limit, so they really couldn't have given him the money that he wanted, he should have waited till this offseason to demand a raise

they could have done so if they wanted to. after washington has shown the world that being $13mil OVER the cap doesn't stop you from spending $30mil more, i think they coulda made javon happy if that was their desire.

[Bob Sacamano]

they could have done so if they wanted to. after washington has shown the world that being $13mil OVER the cap doesn't stop you from spending $30mil more, i think they coulda made javon happy if that was their desire.

make Javon happy at the cost of cutting players? Javon isn't that good

[Avery]

GB would have to be complete morons to give him up for a 3rd.

Norm is talking out of his arse.

[wileedog]

all true, but remember, up until this year, when Javon was asking for more money, GB was over, or at around the cap limit, so they really couldn't have given him the money that he wanted, he should have waited till this offseason to demand a raise

He's arguably one of the most talented guys on an otherwise pretty untalented team.

Good organizations find a way to keep guys like this.

Bad organizations stonewall the process and then sick their Golden Boy Hero QB on the guy and turn the local fanbase against him.

Your point is a good one - the way GB chose to deal with the situation however, was not. And that's why Walker wants out now.

[Doomsday101]

damn age factor on my part.

like i said, for the most part i agree - sign it, live up to it. HOWEVER, an owner can cut and drop out of the contract at any time. also, as someone else stated, if you KNOW that player deserves more, AND you want to keep them happy and around, you renegeotiate. happens all the time.

if all it takes is a 3, give them a 3 next year and let's move on. we paid that much for our NFLE qb this year. : )

And a player can keep their big signing bonus regardless if he plays well or not. Today players seem to be more interested in the signing bonus which is money all up front and check in hand. So while teams may drop a guy late in his contract because the cost becomes to great that player who gets that big check from day 1 still got the majority of his money right then and there.

[Bob Sacamano]

He's arguably one of the most talented guys on an otherwise pretty untalented team.

Good organizations find a way to keep guys like this.

good point, but it just goes back to Javon signing the contract

[iceberg]

And a player can keep their big signing bonus regardless if he plays well or not. Today players seem to be more interested in the signing bonus which is money all up front and check in hand. So while teams may drop a guy late in his contract because the cost becomes to great that player who gets that big check from day 1 still got the majority of his money right then and there.

don't look for me to go too nuts to say a person *shouldn't* honor what they said they do - they should. but since contracts are reworked all the time for this very same reason *and w/o cutting players, btw, but nice shot whoever that was* if GB wanted him they'd have reworked the contract.

if your stance is that NO PLAYER SHOULD EVER ask to redo their contract, that's a pretty hardline stance and i hope GOD you're on the SAY NO to TO bandwagon as even when legal and under contract, he doesn't care and whines till he gets what he wants.

[Jarv]

make Javon happy at the cost of cutting players? Javon isn't that good

Not that good ? Pro Bowl ?

Really...over 1,000 yards..12 TD's 6'3" and fast...okay.

Bottom line was Farve screwed over GB on this one...We were talking about it last year on how another player shouldn't mouth off to the press about someone else's contract situation.

Now, Jevon is soooo pissed off he does not want to play for GB at all.

That is our advantage right now.

Ice talked about trading Ellis a couple of weeks ago. I really like Ellis, but here is why I would do it.

GB has tons of money right now and the FA market is pretty dry. Yeah we can offer a 3rd like Norm said, but so could a lot of teams (except the Skins...lol). Could start a draft pick war.

GB is looking for a DE, Ellis is better now than anyone they could get in the 3rd round. We need a WR and this could save us from the TO wars.

6 years younger than TO...

Locked up Jevon as fast as we can...Lets do it !

[wileedog]

good point, but it just goes back to Javon signing the contract

Which goes back to taking hardline stances with your best players greatly increases the odds that you will not keep them.

We can do this all day :)

[Doomsday101]

don't look for me to go too nuts to say a person *shouldn't* honor what they said they do - they should. but since contracts are reworked all the time for this very same reason *and w/o cutting players, btw, but nice shot whoever that was* if GB wanted him they'd have reworked the contract.

if your stance is that NO PLAYER SHOULD EVER ask to redo their contract, that's a pretty hardline stance and i hope GOD you're on the SAY NO to TO bandwagon as even when legal and under contract, he doesn't care and whines till he gets what he wants.

Most players have a clause in the contract that allows them to renegotiate their contract at some point in time. What I'm saying is players (agents) should try and get the best deal for their client but once they sign the deal I expect the player to honor the contract. As I said when we see a guy get a 13 million signing bonus that money is given to him all at once and even if he does not live up to expectation that is his money

[Bob Sacamano]

Really...over 1,000 yards..12 TD's 6'3" and fast...okay.!

Walker isn't exactly a mainstay, although I like him, again, he's not that good, he has that 1 year, and great potential, but that's about it, oh, and that knee injury ;)

[Bob Sacamano]

Which goes back to taking hardline stances with your best players greatly increases the odds that you will not keep them.

We can do this all day :)

we could, that's why it's pointless to blame one side or the other

[iceberg]

Most players have a clause in the contract that allows them to renegotiate their contract at some point in time. What I'm saying is players (agents) should try and get the best deal for their client but once they sign the deal I expect the player to honor the contract. As I said when we see a guy get a 13 million signing bonus that money is given to him all at once and even if he does not live up to expectation that is his money

well, like i've said, i give jevon javon (which is it?) a little slack for his situation but in the end i do agree - do what you say you'll do. esp. if you sign a contract.

[Da Hammer]

GB would have to be complete morons to give him up for a 3rd.

Norm is talking out of his arse.
I agree that he is talking out of is arse. Even though he's injured he still proved that he's a #1 receiver and i doubt GB trades for less than a 2rd pick

[Idgit]

Most players have a clause in the contract that allows them to renegotiate their contract at some point in time. What I'm saying is players (agents) should try and get the best deal for their client but once they sign the deal I expect the player to honor the contract. As I said when we see a guy get a 13 million signing bonus that money is given to him all at once and even if he does not live up to expectation that is his money

Walker has honored his contract. Unless there's something in that that's supposed to keep him from chirping about being underpaid. He doesn't have an obligation to be happy about it. And, if he wants to refuse to re-up with GB when he's free b/c he doesn't like the way he's been treated, that's his perogative.

Javon Walker has held up his end of the deal. GB has too, though by doing so, they've probably poisoned the relationship permanently.

[Bob Sacamano]

Javon Walker has held up his end of the deal. GB has too, though by doing so, they've probably poisoned the relationship permanently.

:hammer:

[Clove]

6'3 219, perfect size - 4.38 speed. Had monster numbers in 2004 before being hurt last year.. I would give up that 3rd in a heart beat, and replace it with an Ellis Trade with someone.

[Doomsday101]

Walker has honored his contract. Unless there's something in that that's supposed to keep him from chirping about being underpaid. He doesn't have an obligation to be happy about it. And, if he wants to refuse to re-up with GB when he's free b/c he doesn't like the way he's been treated, that's his perogative.

Javon Walker has held up his end of the deal. GB has too, though by doing so, they've probably poisoned the relationship permanently.

I'm not saying that player will not complain about their contract and there are pleanty of example of players asking to be traded but at that point either the team trades the player or the player plays or sits the year. That is their choice.

[wileedog]

we could, that's why it's pointless to blame one side or the other

No, I absolutely blame GB for letting Favre get involved. That was dumb.

Plus the contract in question was Walker's rookie deal. In fairness to him, there is not a lot of wiggle room for draftees - they tend to get slotted between the guy taken before him and the guy taken after him. Its not like a FA deal where you have more leverage to dictate the terms you want. I have far less sympathy for FAs who hold out after signing a deal then for rookies who are playing way above their (technically forced) payscale.

In the end, maybe neither side was technically "right" or "wrong", however the situation was handled very poorly IMO.

And the fact still stands that Walker wants out of there, so GB may be forced into trading him.

[Bob Sacamano]

No, I absolutely blame GB for letting Favre get involved. That was dumb.

Favre got into it AFTER Javon started complaining, so if it's anybody, the blame should be placed on Javon, he started it...but again, I feel it's pointless to blame either side when both had a point

[Portland Fanatic]

6'3 219, perfect size - 4.38 speed. Had monster numbers in 2004 before being hurt last year.. I would give up that 3rd in a heart beat, and replace it with an Ellis Trade with someone.

I like that call right there...we can get at least a 3rd from Ellis.

Give me Walker!!!!!

If we sign either Adam V. or Josh Brown, then add Walker...I can forgive everyhting else this far. :D

[wileedog]

Favre got into it AFTER Javon started complaining, so if it's anybody, the blame should be placed on Javon, he started it...but again, I feel it's pointless to blame either side when both had a point

Why was he involved at all - before, after or during?

It was fricking stupid (and horrifically selfish) to say anything, and even dumber for the organization not to shut him up immediately.

[Bob Sacamano]

Why was he involved at all - before, after or during?

he's always involved

It was fricking stupid (and horrifically selfish) to say anything, and even dumber for the organization not to shut him up immediately.

well, GB never has asked Favre to keep his mouth shut

note: I'm as sick of Favre's act as many of you, but facts are facts, Favre is always outspoken about the organization, and GB does nothing about it

[wileedog]

he's always involved



well, GB never asked Favre to keep his mouth shut

note: I'm as sick of Favre's act as many of you, but facts are facts, Favre is always outspoken about the organization, and GB does nothing about it

That's what I blame them for.

And that's why they will lose a bona fide #1 reciever just entering his prime because they catered to (and continue to cater to) a washed up QB who may be gone this year and certainly will be next year.

[Jarv]

The only question I have about what Norm said is this...

If they only want a 3rd for this kid. Why hasn't 10 other teams jumped all over this ?

Jevon, as far as I'm concerned, can dance on the star all he wants !

[Bob Sacamano]

That's what I blame them for.

And that's why they will lose a bona fide #1 reciever just entering his prime because they catered to (and continue to cater to) a washed up QB who may be gone this year and certainly will be next year.

guess they wanted to piss off 1 player instead of 2 :p: anyways, both parties were acting like spoiled children

[Gaede]

I would very much like to see us give a third for Walker.

I was very high on him when he came out (and I think just about every mock out there had us taking him in the second)