ROFL- Marcus Vick dumber than VY?

[DLCassidy]

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In case you can't access the link MV score an 11 on the Wonderlic. VY had a 15.

[DizzG]

Whats dumb is anyone that actually believe that test proves how smart someone is

not to mention Countless NFL people have said its only a small part of a large package of things they look at

[BlueStar22]

Whats dumb is anyone that actually believe that test proves how smart someone is


Tell me about it. I'm a college graduate with an accounting degree and I'm not confident I would do well on the test. Sure, if I prepared for it like most of the players at the combine I'd do okay. However, they said VY didn't even prepare for it.

[joseephuss]

Whats dumb is anyone that actually believe that test proves how smart someone is

not to mention Countless NFL people have said its only a small part of a large package of things they look at

Marcus Vick is doing poorly in many of the small parts of the large package teams use to evaluate players.

[joseephuss]

Tell me about it. I'm a college graduate with an accounting degree and I'm not confident I would do well on the test. Sure, if I prepared for it like most of the players at the combine I'd do okay. However, they said VY didn't even prepare for it.

Young's mistake was not hiring a top agent and management group. I know he trusts his family, but football is a business and needs to be handled by people that know the business. If I were a QB, I would hire Leigh Steinberg. He is one of the best.

[Cajuncowboy]

It doesn't make much of a difference if you are a Defensive lineman. But when you are a QB it makes a big difference. What's dumb is anyone thinking you can have a bowl of pudding for a brain and still be able to break down a defence in 2 seconds.

[DLCassidy]

Whats dumb is anyone that actually believe that test proves how smart someone is

not to mention Countless NFL people have said its only a small part of a large package of things they look at

I've got a fern in my office that could score 7 or 8 on that test. If scoring 11 for a QB doesn't ring any alarm bells for you, all I can say is lucky for the world you aren't making decisions for an NFL team. If it was for a DE or RB it wouldn't matter one bit. But I doubt there's ever been a starting QB in NFL history that scored 11. Vick was already off a # of NFL teams boards. he'll be off more after this.

[burmafrd]

Actually when you think about it having these inexperienced people doing the negotiations would make a club more willing to go after him- they would figure they could get a better deal then normal.

[joseephuss]

I've got a fern in my office that could score 7 or 8 on that test. If scoring 11 for a QB doesn't ring any alarm bells for you, all I can say is lucky for the world you aren't making decisions for an NFL team. If it was for a DE or RB it wouldn't matter one bit. But I doubt there's ever been a starting QB in NFL history that scored 11. Vick was already off a # of NFL teams boards. he'll be off more after this.

Terry Bradshaw? According to Hollywood, "He couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the 'c' and the 'a'."

[joseephuss]

Actually when you think about it having these inexperienced people doing the negotiations would make a club more willing to go after him- they would figure they could get a better deal then normal.

That is a good point. I foresee Young holding out because of his management group.

[theogt]

Whats dumb is anyone that actually believe that test proves how smart someone is

not to mention Countless NFL people have said its only a small part of a large package of things they look atThat's just ridiculous. The test isn't perfectly accurate but it is a relatively accurate gauge of intelligence.

[Doomsday]

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In case you can't access the link MV score an 11 on the Wonderlic. VY had a 15.

Did you really need a wonderlic test to figure out that Marcus Vick isnt too bright? :lmao2:

[DLCassidy]

Terry Bradshaw? According to Hollywood, "He couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the 'c' and the 'a'."

Terry was not THAT dumb. He played the country bumpkin act up in Pitt because it served his purpose. And today's NFL is not the NFL of the 60's and 70's. QB is one position I want a bright guy at. Something tells me based on everything we read about MV that he wasn't exactly a scholar.

[DLCassidy]

Did you really need a wonderlic test to figure out that Marcus Vick isnt too bright? :lmao2:

:laugh1:

[joseephuss]

Terry was not THAT dumb. He played the country bumpkin act up in Pitt because it served his purpose. And today's NFL is not the NFL of the 60's and 70's. QB is one position I want a bright guy at. Something tells me based on everything we read about MV that he wasn't exactly a scholar.

I was just kidding. I love that quote from Hollywood. I agree with your assessment. A QB needs some smarts to be good in the NFL. The wonderlic test isn't a perfect testing mechanism for football intelligence, but there are some trends to go along with the scores. Most QBs who score low don't fair too well in the NFL. Dan Marino was an exception. I don't see Marcus Vick as a guy who will be an exception and he has a few other issues.

Scoring very high on the test also doesn't guarantee success either. As was pointed out already, the test is just one part of the evaluation process. I will tend to pick QBs who score higher on the test when all other things are close to equal.

[DLCassidy]

I was just kidding. I love that quote from Hollywood. I agree with your assessment. A QB needs some smarts to be good in the NFL. The wonderlic test isn't a perfect testing mechanism for football intelligence, but there are some trends to go along with the scores. Most QBs who score low don't fair too well in the NFL. Dan Marino was an exception. I don't see Marcus Vick as a guy who will be an exception and he has a few other issues.

Scoring very high on the test also doesn't guarantee success either. As was pointed out already, the test is just one part of the evaluation process. I will tend to pick QBs who score higher on the test when all other things are close to equal.

No question it's just a small piece of the puzzle. But a really low score is hard to ignore for a QB.

[big dog cowboy]

Did you really need a wonderlic test to figure out that Marcus Vick isnt too bright? :lmao2:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[DizzG]

but it is a relatively accurate gauge of intelligence.

Says who? Can you point a study that shows these results? I've taken a version of this test for job interview. No way does it prove someones overall intelligence. I've read several reports over the past few weeks how most teams do far more testing with other methods than this test to look at intelligence. The wonderlic isnt the be all and end all of anything

[Derinyar]

I was just kidding. I love that quote from Hollywood. I agree with your assessment. A QB needs some smarts to be good in the NFL. The wonderlic test isn't a perfect testing mechanism for football intelligence, but there are some trends to go along with the scores. Most QBs who score low don't fair too well in the NFL. Dan Marino was an exception. I don't see Marcus Vick as a guy who will be an exception and he has a few other issues.

Scoring very high on the test also doesn't guarantee success either. As was pointed out already, the test is just one part of the evaluation process. I will tend to pick QBs who score higher on the test when all other things are close to equal.
The one thing to remember on Marino is that is, supposedly, before the agents started having their players prep for it.

[joseephuss]

Says who? Can you point a study that shows these results? I've taken a version of this test for job interview. No way does it prove someones overall intelligence. I've read several reports over the past few weeks how most teams do far more testing with other methods than this test to look at intelligence. The wonderlic isnt the be all and end all of anything

It does not have to be the ultimate test. For the most part, it provides sufficient information for NFL teams. Sure good franchises probably do perform more extensive testing. The wonderlic probably provides a decent basis to start from and may even weed out some players.

[DizzG]

may even weed out some players.

if someone has the talent..it doesnt weed out anything. There has been too many very good to excellent players that havent done that good on this test to crappy players that have done great to have this test be an accurate guide to how someone will do as a football player. NFL Gm's have even admitted this test doesnt prove that. Floyd Reese of the Titans mentioned some of this in one interview I read

[joseephuss]

if someone has the talent..it doesnt weed out anything. There has been too many very good to excellent players that havent done that good on this test to crappy players that have done great to have this test be an accurate guide to how someone will do as a football player. NFL Gm's have even admitted this test doesnt prove that. Floyd Reese of the Titans mentioned some of this in one interview I read

But I am not talking about weeding out all players or the very talented players. If a player is already borderline, then this test as a small part of the evaluation process may have just buried the players. Or if a borderline player does very well on the test, teams may evaluate that player a little more.

This thread was focused on Vick. For Marcus Vick, it is another negative in his evaluation process. He isn't physically talented enough to just ignore his wonderlic test score. Also different positions have different criteria. The wonderlic has much less influence for a defensive lineman than it does for a QB.

The wonderlic plays a part. It does influence teams to some degree. Some more than others. Why do you think it doesn't?

[DallasCowpoke111]

What's dumb is anyone thinking you can have a bowl of pudding for a brain and still be able to break down a defence in 2 seconds.

:rolleyes:

Here's a hint Pepe... When your post means to rank someone as "dumb", try NOT making SIMPLE mistakes in your spelling. It just SCREAMS, "don't know what I'm talking about" when you do.

[big dog cowboy]

When your post means to rank someone as "dumb", try NOT making SIMPLE mistakes in your spelling. It just SCREAMS, "don't know what I'm talking about" when you do.
He does know what he is talking about. Trust me. :D

[BigWillie]

Did someone actually say they need to prepare for this test?

All the test does is test common sense at a timed pace. How tough is that?

[dfense]

They had a short version of the test (15 ques instead of 50) a few weeks ago on I think CNNSI. There seems to be 1 math related question for every 5 of other topics. The math questions are trickier than the rest. Some of the most basic questions are crazy easy. Like, If you are 20 and your friend's sister is 27. How old will she be when you're 34? I missed 3 of 15 and one of those was a real dumb mistake on my part. So I got about a 36. I can't see how it's possible to do as bad as a 6 unless you're reeeaalll dumb.

[CrazyCowboy]

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In case you can't access the link MV score an 11 on the Wonderlic. VY had a 15.

Vick has been in/out of college and has not had much study time......:laugh1:

[ex-lion tamer]

The Wonderlic correlates with common IQ tests like the WAIS and the WISC at a level of .86. Its a pretty decent measure of intelligence.

[Cochese]

Says who? Can you point a study that shows these results? I've taken a version of this test for job interview. No way does it prove someones overall intelligence. I've read several reports over the past few weeks how most teams do far more testing with other methods than this test to look at intelligence. The wonderlic isnt the be all and end all of anything

Quick, name me a QB that has scored less than 22 that has won a Super Bowl.

[DizzG]

Quick, name me a QB that has scored less than 22 that has won a Super Bowl.

So you think that any of the QB's that scored less than 22 that havent won a superbowl is due to this stupid test?

Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and score lower than Vince Young.

Steve McNair is a pro bowl QB and former MVP of the NFL who scored lower than Vince Young....was within a play of winning the Superbowl

McNabb is a Pro Bowl QB who has played in the superbowl that matched what Vince Scored..

Your test score doesnt make you a better player. Ask any GM and they will tell you that there isnt much connection to this test and how you actually perform on the field. Floyd Reese said the other day on ESPN radio that he has had players that scored in the 30's on this test that could barely cross the street and others that had low scores that were great football players

[T-New41]

Henson scored what a 42 on the wonderlic? He didnt exactly tear up NFL-E today. The point is, a good wonderlic doesnt mean squat ( I hope Henson turns it on, but so far every time he has had a limited chance to play, it has been disappointing).

And Marcus Vick could have scored a 50 and he would still be a dumb arse.

I agree this hurts Vick b/c it was a low score in addition to all the other issues he has had. If he would have been fairly trouble free (doing community service b/c of your criminal record doesnt count) and led VT to a Bowl game, I dont think a 11 would have hurt his drft stock much. Right now though, I just cant imagine a team selecting Vick w/ any pick.

As far as Vince Young, I dont think a 15 on the Wonderlic will hurt him that bad as far as his draft stock goes.

[theogt]

Henson scored what a 42 on the wonderlic? He didnt exactly tear up NFL-E today. The point is, a good wonderlic doesnt mean squat ( I hope Henson turns it on, but so far every time he has had a limited chance to play, it has been disappointing).

And Marcus Vick could have scored a 50 and he would still be a dumb arse.

I agree this hurts Vick b/c it was a low score in addition to all the other issues he has had. If he would have been fairly trouble free (doing community service b/c of your criminal record doesnt count) and led VT to a Bowl game, I dont think a 11 would have hurt his drft stock much. Right now though, I just cant imagine a team selecting Vick w/ any pick.

As far as Vince Young, I dont think a 15 on the Wonderlic will hurt him that bad as far as his draft stock goes.You completely missed the point. A guy with little talent and a high score isn't necessarily going to be a good football player. A player with a lot of talent and an extremely low score, however, may have serious problems with the mental aspect of the game. How accurate the test is and how mentally challenging an offense is are both considerations a scout would have to take into account when ranking draftees. It's a stretch to think that an extremly low score (11 or 15) would not have any effect on the value of the player.

[T-New41]

You completely missed the point. A guy with little talent and a high score isn't necessarily going to be a good football player. A player with a lot of talent and an extremely low score, however, may have serious problems with the mental aspect of the game. How accurate the test is and how mentally challenging an offense is are both considerations a scout would have to take into account when ranking draftees. It's a stretch to think that an extremly low score (11 or 15) would not have any effect on the value of the player.

I guess that Marino didn't have a hof career b/c he had what a 12 on the wonderlic? McNabb, McNair,and Culpepper, they must have had stinker careers b/c they all scored relatively low on the wonderlic. I can see how knowing the answer to how much 5 newspapers at .99 a piece would cost is relevant to reading defenses. :rolleyes:

[MONT17]

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Sorry i'm not very good at cut and paste!!! some I did twice by mistake... these are the same types of questions football players have to answer on the lic!!!

[MONT17]

I would redo it but it took me 20 min to post that u get the idea.... I wonder if Cut n paste is on the wonderlic!!!