We're the team to beat!

[Kaika]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.

[DWAREZ]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.

Kool sig bro..I just hope it translates to reality :):starspin:starspin:starspin:starspin:starspin:st arspin

[canters]

Wow,,just signing TO makes us the team to beat!!??

How 'bout our other issues? Bledsoe can't get the ball to TO if he is on his back. We still need another pass rusher, a FS, and another LB.

I will agree that we have had at least as good a FA session as anybody in the East.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.

No we're not. Washington Swept us and hte Giants also took casre of us late last season. Let's be realistic. On paper, we have a much better chance now to take the division. Now let's see if our new roster can do in games what they look like on paer. If aso, only then would I argue we're the team to beat.

AF

[Dave_in-NC]

The TO hype. Cluless.

[Kaika]

The TO hype. Cluless.
And the other acquisitions mean nothing??
Never met more pessimistic fans.

This place can be pretty depressing at times.
As a matter of fact, I wonder if you went over to the Iggles Forum and the Skins Forum if their the same way.(negative)

I doubt it.

Sad:(

[roy31]

Salisbury is a tool , I hope he is right but he is usually clueless.

[riggo]

i dont know how you can put the boys first cuz of TO- unless he's gonna play D. the giants and skins have made a few signings too.


should have known salisbury would say something dumb.

[Kaika]

Your guys optimism is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!

What a depressing place this is lately.

[superpunk]

Not really pessimism, but I think realistically, Seattle is the team to beat. But we sure as hell are coming up strong!:)

[jman]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.

LOL...Geeze, if someone say's were doomed because of TO, he's a hack. But if someone say's were going to be great with TO, man....that guy knows what he's talking about...LOL

Love all this one day a hero the next a zero depending on what mediots say about the Cowboys...LOL

[jman]

Wow,,just signing TO makes us the team to beat!!??

How 'bout our other issues? Bledsoe can't get the ball to TO if he is on his back. We still need another pass rusher, a FS, and another LB.

I will agree that we have had at least as good a FA session as anybody in the East.

Yep...I say forget the season and go ahead and award the Cowboys the Super Bowl trophy...LOL

[KingTuna]

Wow,,just signing TO makes us the team to beat!!??

How 'bout our other issues? Bledsoe can't get the ball to TO if he is on his back. We still need another pass rusher, a FS, and another LB.

I will agree that we have had at least as good a FA session as anybody in the East.


Don't forget about KICKER!

IF we sign a legit pass rusher at OLB- FS and K then I will say yes, we might indeed be the team to beat.

I think the team is done at O-line. They believe Kosier is the answer for us at LG and I am a big fan of Fabini at RT. Will be surprised to see any other O-lineman signed.

We also need another WR. I am thinking it will be Chad Jackson or Moss in the draft.

[Hostile]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.Great Avatar.

Before I can say that I want to see a Kicker, Free Safety, and SOLB added to the mix. 3 holes left = still some anxiety for me.

[EGG]

They don't pay mediots to accurately report the news anymore, their job is to stroke you or rattle your cage. So Salisbury is quite literally a tool...

that said, I think he's right,,, the NFC East was evenly matched last season and will be again this season,,,, but even with all the teams getting better, the Cowboys took a big step forward by picking up Owens.

[jterrell]

At this point in free agency and with the draft upcoming I'd rate Dallas right below NYG at the top of the division.

Dallas isn't finished in free agency and will field a draft class.

Philly loses TO for nothing in return and Wash has nothing left in cap space and a minimal draft class headed its way.

Right now there's more free agents than there is money to spend so I like sitting around with a few bucks.

Dallas could potentially add a starting OLB and a top 5 kicker by early next week which would push them into the lead on paper.

[Kaika]

They don't pay mediots to accurately report the news anymore, their job is to stroke you or rattle your cage. So Salisbury is quite literally a tool...

that said, I think he's right,,, the NFC East was evenly matched last season and will be again this season,,,, but even with all the teams getting better, the Cowboys took a big step forward by picking up Owens.

I agree, But if ANYONE noticed, the main point of my post was That it was nice to hear again.

[jazzcat22]

Wow,,just signing TO makes us the team to beat!!??

How 'bout our other issues? Bledsoe can't get the ball to TO if he is on his back. We still need another pass rusher, a FS, and another LB.

I will agree that we have had at least as good a FA session as anybody in the East.

Don't forget K
If BP plays it close to the vest to win in 4th quarter, TO's 10 TD's a game won't matter if we have a scab K.

[panchucko]

Sweet, when is the parade, I want to make sure I can get some time off work.

[JackMagist]

Great Avatar.

Before I can say that I want to see a Kicker, Free Safety, and SOLB added to the mix. 3 holes left = still some anxiety for me.And even with getting Kozy and Fabini (who is no spring chicken) I'm still not happy with our OL situation. Rivera still has a bad back, LA is still getting old, Johnson still can't hold his ground and Flo is a still deaf in his ear pointed toward the QB and is a question mark coming off of injury. Our backups are Tucker (need I say more), Peterman who can only play one position and apparently not very well, Columbo (an injury washout), Gurode who has not grown any smarter over the off season and Pettiti who is still young but at least has upside.

No I will not buy the "team to beat" hype until some of these questions are answered. Because regardless of who we have handling the ball they will get nowhere unless the lone holds up their end.

[seantaylor21]

TO = Chaos

[Dave_in-NC]

And the other acquisitions mean nothing??
Never met more pessimistic fans.

This place can be pretty depressing at times.
As a matter of fact, I wonder if you went over to the Iggles Forum and the Skins Forum if their the same way.(negative)

I doubt it.

Sad:(

Just being real unlike some. If we didnt sign TO no one would be saying we have had a great FA so far right? TO could help this team or destroy it. Ill go with the later, PROVEN track record. Remember just a few months ago everyone laughing at Philly, well be prepared we are becoming the funny page.

[The Fonz]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.
I dissagree we still what our record last year showed us untill we win alot of games we will get no respect washington been wining off season for years now and that did not help them

[Doomsday]

With just online improvements it wouldnt be a stretch to pick Dallas to win the East throw in TO, Akin a solid draft and a few other FA pickups and you would have to say Dallas has as good of a shot at winning the East as anyone.

The winner of the East is probably going to go to the Super Bowl this year in my opinion, all 4 teams could be very good and all will definately be battle tested.

[CrazyMonster]

We still desperately need a PK, FS or LB & vet back up QB via FA.

Then we still need a FS or LB, OL & WR help from the draft.

We ARE NOT the team to beat...................YET!

:starspin

[big dog cowboy]

ESPN Salsberry says we're the team to beat in the East.
Boy, sure great to hear that again.


Wait until we are done. By August, all football fans (who don't already know) will worried about the rise in power of the Star.

Roy31 is right about Sean being a tool.

[SultanOfSix]

Everyone has an opinion. Doesn't make a world of difference if you're not on the football field trying to enforce it.

[BigDaddyShoo]

All this talk about who's the 'team to beat' when it's not even April, is just a bunch of crap from the analysts to make themselves seem plugged in during the offseason. As a Skin's fan, even I don't listen to all the crap spewed about which team has had the best off-season.

Until it's been proven otherwise, NY is the team to beat in the NFCE. Last I checked, they're the reigning division champs.

[Dave_in-NC]

All this talk about who's the 'team to beat' when it's not even April, is just a bunch of crap from the analysts to make themselves seem plugged in during the offseason. As a Skin's fan, even I don't listen to all the crap spewed about which team has had the best off-season.

Until it's been proven otherwise, NY is the team to beat in the NFCE. Last I checked, they're the reigning division champs.:hammer:

[Cbz40]

I dont think saying we are the team to beat is that far off base.

This team was very close last season......erase a couple of ingeries we would have been right smack dab in the middle of the playoffs.

JJ & BP have made very significant improvements to the OL and we have very adequate backups. Put that with a healthy Adams & Rivera we are ready to rumble..

Forget his past this is now......Owens bring that spark, that swagger to the O we have been lacking since the playmaker retired.

Have no doubts.....We will Get a kicker and an OLB.........This Chicken Little has been plucked.

WE will be the team to beat in the East.......and who knows if this team really gels and I think it will.....we will contend for the whole shoot'n Match.

[Hostile]

And even with getting Kozy and Fabini (who is no spring chicken) I'm still not happy with our OL situation. Rivera still has a bad back, LA is still getting old, Johnson still can't hold his ground and Flo is a still deaf in his ear pointed toward the QB and is a question mark coming off of injury. Our backups are Tucker (need I say more), Peterman who can only play one position and apparently not very well, Columbo (an injury washout), Gurode who has not grown any smarter over the off season and Pettiti who is still young but at least has upside.

No I will not buy the "team to beat" hype until some of these questions are answered. Because regardless of who we have handling the ball they will get nowhere unless the lone holds up their end.That's not even mentioning Bledsoe's age, Julius' injury history in 2 seasons so far, and the chaos potential.

[The30YardSlant]

That's not even mentioning Bledsoe's age, Julius' injury history in 2 seasons so far, and the chaos potential.

Bledsoe's age didnt seem to hurt us last season, in fact he played some of the best ball of his career

[Hostile]

Bledsoe's age didnt seem to hurt us last season, in fact he played some of the best ball of his careerIf you say so. If that was his best that's sad.

[littlewebs]

I'm pretty sure Salisbury said each team in the East was the favorite to win in 4 different weeks last year. It's like everybody got a turn for a quarter of the season. These ESPN guys go back and forth from week to week to week. It's dumb.

[The30YardSlant]

If you say so. If that was his best that's sad.

Dare I say, for the first half od the season he was the best QB we've had since the 1995 version of Aikman. He was not the reason we failed to make the playoffs.

[Hostile]

Dare I say, for the first half od the season he was the best QB we've had since the 1995 version of Aikman. He was not the reason we failed to make the playoffs.I didn't say he was or wasn't. I said his age concerns me and it does. I won't answer to you for these feelings. Their mine and I won't change them or apologize for them.

[The30YardSlant]

I didn't say he was or wasn't. I said his age concerns me and it does. I won't answer to you for these feelings. Their mine and I won't change them or apologize for them.

I didnt ask you too, dont get all uptight about it. I'm simply saying that of all the other things we have to worry about, Bledsoe is a relatively small concern. He doesnt have to be an All-pro for us to win.

[JackMagist]

That's not even mentioning Bledsoe's age, Julius' injury history in 2 seasons so far, and the chaos potential.Bledsoe is indeed getting long in the tooth but he has been very durable throughout his career. He still has the arm strength to make all the throws and he does not get tired toward the end of games ala Testaverde. I can live with him for a couple more years while we get someone else ready to go.

Julius' injury history does bother me a lot however. He should be one of the top backs in the league instead of a question mark. At least MBIII proved to be a serviceable backup last year and Tyson Thompson still has some upside.

I have promised not to address THE chaos potential until it actually manifests itself, and so I won't.

[bobbie brewskie]

And even with getting Kozy and Fabini (who is no spring chicken) I'm still not happy with our OL situation. Rivera still has a bad back, LA is still getting old, Johnson still can't hold his ground and Flo is a still deaf in his ear pointed toward the QB and is a question mark coming off of injury. Our backups are Tucker (need I say more), Peterman who can only play one position and apparently not very well, Columbo (an injury washout), Gurode who has not grown any smarter over the off season and Pettiti who is still young but at least has upside.

No I will not buy the "team to beat" hype until some of these questions are answered. Because regardless of who we have handling the ball they will get nowhere unless the lone holds up their end.

So people say we are the team to beat if we acquire a K, OLB, FS, Backup QB.

KICKER: come on now this is already done, there are 3-4 good veteran kickers on the market and we are most likely going to get Vinatieri unless he is picked up by the packers before us, and even then we have fallback on vanderjact and brown.

OLB: If Arrington/Peterson, both good fits for this defense, arent signed it will most likely get addressed in the 1st round with Carpenter or Lawson with the 20th-24th pick as we will trade down to get another 2nd or 3rd while getting the same draft pick.

FS: Coleman will most likely get signed just to have assurance of a proven safety, and it will make davis more valuable on the Special Teams side of the field and then we will get a 3rd in the 2nd round maybe 3rd, and we still have beriault (just sayin we have him not sayin hes gonna do much).

Back-up QB: Aaron Brooks? some people on here think he might be a good option as he is proven and now he is definately going to be cheap, and also Volek might be a good trade is another thing that ive been hearing and he is also cheap and has a good arm.

Kicker will be addressed in FA with Vinatieri, Josh Brown or Vanderjact in that order.

OLB: Highly unlikely with Arrington/peterson and if not Carpenter or Lawson at 20-24

FS: Coleman plus a 2nd Rounder

Back-Up QB: Aaron Brooks or a cheap trade for Volek.

[MONT17]

I'm not going to call Sean S. a idiot but the guy has a job to do... if he gets on the TV and is a complete BORE he will have to sell insurance for the rest of his life... and I think TOMMY MADDOX has the market wrapped up!


the man is just trying to keep his job! But I must say the COWBOYS should win the EAST just like they should have won it last year and the year before...


its the RISE of the STAR...


or as it will come to be known as DEATH STAR to the rest of the NFC!!!

[Hostile]

I didnt ask you too, dont get all uptight about it. I'm simply saying that of all the other things we have to worry about, Bledsoe is a relatively small concern. He doesnt have to be an All-pro for us to win.Yeah, well I want an All Pro at QB more than any other position. We'll leave it at that.

He's good. I like him. I worry that he's closer to the rocking chair than his prime. It's an issue for me.

[cowboygolfer]

How far were we from winning the East last year. An injury, a Kicker C'mon guys this is not that big a stretch.

Everyone seems so ready to jump here, one post said the Seahawks were the team to beat. They are not even in the East.

If Flozel doesn't get hurt last year we win the east, Even with the unjury and the poor O-Line play if we had a Kidking game we would ahve won the east.

Do you really think this is that far out to beleive we should be the favorite to win this division (without Unforseen issues)?

[Cbz40]

Yes we will be a team to beat in the East......I will again say the NFCE will be the most competituve division in pro football. The team that stays heathiest will have the best shot at winning.

Our weakest link is backup QB and possibly the OL although we are deeper than in 05.

The same can be said for any of the teams in our division or the NFC for that matter.

[5Stars]

[quote=Cbz40]Our weakest link is backup QB and possibly the OL although we are deeper than in 05.[quote]

I'm with you! The backup QB is what has me worried! If Bledsoe goes down...do we really want to rely on Henson? Romo?

Oh, well...if Bledsoe does go down, my drinking goes up! So, all in all, I guess it's OK! :eek:

[Cbz40]

[quote=Cbz40]Our weakest link is backup QB and possibly the OL although we are deeper than in 05.[quote]

I'm with you! The backup QB is what has me worried! If Bledsoe goes down...do we really want to rely on Henson? Romo?

Oh, well...if Bledsoe does go down, my drinking goes up! So, all in all, I guess it's OK! :eek:


Ditto.............................:lmao2:

[Billy Bullocks]

Wow,,just signing TO makes us the team to beat!!??

How 'bout our other issues? Bledsoe can't get the ball to TO if he is on his back. We still need another pass rusher, a FS, and another LB.

I will agree that we have had at least as good a FA session as anybody in the East.

It appears that we have addressed the OL.

FS I agree with you, though we will probably draft somebody, or bring in an adequate vet..we picked up Glenn on 4/28 last year, so there is plenty of time to bring in some quality players still.

Ditto on Passrusher at OLB. Peterson or a 1st rounder on one is my guess.

And we could use some depth at LB overall.

THe draft hasn't even occured yet, and I think Salisbury was taking that into account. The way FA worked out for us this year (when half of you were crying), I'd say we set ourselves up to be able to fill most remaining holes in the draft.

[Bizwah]

All NFC East teams are pretty much equal talent-wise.

All four teams have proven QBs.

All four teams have solid-to-good defenses.

All four teams have solid coaches

What separates us?

It'll be depth. Injuries are inevitable. Last year, all four teams were hit with injuries. Where we were hit, depth of the positions hit, as well as the severity of the hits, told the story of our division.

It'll be the same this year.

Right now, all teams have weak backup QBs.
All teams have good depth at RB.
Dallas and Washington have good depth at WR (we go three deep anyway).
All teams have weak OL depth.
We have the best depth on the DL.
NY and Dallas have the best depth in the secondary.

Of course, with FA in full swing, it's hard to remember which teams have which players....especially in Washington.

[Cbz40]

All NFC East teams are pretty much equal talent-wise.

All four teams have proven QBs.

All four teams have solid-to-good defenses.

All four teams have solid coaches

What separates us?

It'll be depth. Injuries are inevitable. Last year, all four teams were hit with injuries. Where we were hit, depth of the positions hit, as well as the severity of the hits, told the story of our division.

It'll be the same this year.

Right now, all teams have weak backup QBs.
All teams have good depth at RB.
Dallas and Washington have good depth at WR (we go three deep anyway).
All teams have weak OL depth.
We have the best depth on the DL.
NY and Dallas have the best depth in the secondary.

Of course, with FA in full swing, it's hard to remember which teams have which players....especially in Washington.


Excellent post Sir.

[bobbie brewskie]

All NFC East teams are pretty much equal talent-wise.

All four teams have proven QBs.

All four teams have solid-to-good defenses.

All four teams have solid coaches

What separates us?

It'll be depth. Injuries are inevitable. Last year, all four teams were hit with injuries. Where we were hit, depth of the positions hit, as well as the severity of the hits, told the story of our division.

It'll be the same this year.

Right now, all teams have weak backup QBs.
All teams have good depth at RB.
Dallas and Washington have good depth at WR (we go three deep anyway).
All teams have weak OL depth.
We have the best depth on the DL.
NY and Dallas have the best depth in the secondary.

Of course, with FA in full swing, it's hard to remember which teams have which players....especially in Washington.

Exactly, So now we all just wait for the draft. if we draft smart and add the projected FA's that we want to add, we can be the best team in the best division.

Trading our 18 + some more to the broncos for the 22 and 29 and get allen and 1 of the 2 LB, would set us above the rest IMO.

[redskinsforever]

Everyone is just TO crazy right now. Even most educated Cowboy fans doesn't believe Salisbury when he says that the Cowboys are the team to beat.

[Bizwah]

Everyone is just TO crazy right now. Even most educated Cowboy fans doesn't believe Salisbury when he says that the Cowboys are the team to beat.

"Team to beat" can have two different meanings.

It could mean, "best in the division". Right now, I think it's too early to tell who the best team is. Dallas, NYG, and Washington were all so close together last season...and Philly wasn't themselves. So you can't tell right now.

It could mean, "team everyone wants to beat". This ALWAYS applies to us. Even when we're crappy, all teams want to beat the living mess out of us. As evidenced by the sudden appearance of all your Redskin brethren, teams look at beating us as a "feather in their caps".

[REDVOLUTION]

With a little help from the kicking position and o-line position we COULD have been the TEAM TO BEAT last year.... IMO....

I am buying.....:star:

[The30YardSlant]

Everyone is just TO crazy right now. Even most educated Cowboy fans doesn't believe Salisbury when he says that the Cowboys are the team to beat.

And the Redskins are? :lmao2:

[redskinsforever]

And the Redskins are? :lmao2:

It's too early to know who's the team to beat. But I do believe the Redskins have made greater strides to better themselves this offseason than anyone else in the NFC East.

[bobbie brewskie]

It's too early to know who's the team to beat. But I do believe the Redskins have made greater strides to better themselves this offseason than anyone else in the NFC East.

so your saying overpaying a 3rd string reciever (randle El) who had 35 catches and 1 TD last season is a big stride? your saying signing a crappy coverage S and bad tackler in Adam Archuleta and making him the highest payed S in the History of the game is a big stride? And you guys are talking like Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, Antwan Randle El, Andre Carter, Christian Fauria and Todd Collins are great? come on now the guys you signed are all mediocre players at best. Brandon Lloyd may be emerging and COULD be a star, Antwan Randle El is not worth what your paying him, Archuleta and Sean Taylor back their is like what the cowboys had last year with 2 SS it doesnt work, and hes not worth the cash. the other guys are all mediocre players or back ups or downgrades from last year. you guys lost ramsey > Collins, lost arrington who was a big part of your D. i mean yea you guys got a few good additions but you payed to much and u definately did not fill close to as many holes as the Cowboys have/are on the verge of filling . . . Lets see on draft day though, which is something that we can actaully look forward to as we still have a 1st round pick to trade/spend on another hole(s). Redskins off-season is WAYYY Over-rated.

And no im not saying we are the team to beat, but i am saying you need to stop talking about your guys' mediocre additions.

[Viper]

When we win, we'll be the team to beat.

[Da Hammer]

Nobody is the team to beat right now, i mean come on FA hasn't even ended and there's still the draft, minicamps, then training camp, and then pre-season. Then injuries can happen before the regular season starts. There is no team to beat until the regular season starts and a team shows to be above the other teams with their play. Hopefully we'll be that team

[redskinsforever]

so your saying overpaying a 3rd string reciever (randle El) who had 35 catches and 1 TD last season is a big stride? your saying signing a crappy coverage S and bad tackler in Adam Archuleta and making him the highest payed S in the History of the game is a big stride? And you guys are talking like Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, Antwan Randle El, Andre Carter, Christian Fauria and Todd Collins are great? come on now the guys you signed are all mediocre players at best. Brandon Lloyd may be emerging and COULD be a star, Antwan Randle El is not worth what your paying him, Archuleta and Sean Taylor back their is like what the cowboys had last year with 2 SS it doesnt work, and hes not worth the cash. the other guys are all mediocre players or back ups or downgrades from last year. you guys lost ramsey > Collins, lost arrington who was a big part of your D. i mean yea you guys got a few good additions but you payed to much and u definately did not fill close to as many holes as the Cowboys have/are on the verge of filling . . . Lets see on draft day though, which is something that we can actaully look forward to as we still have a 1st round pick to trade/spend on another hole(s). Redskins off-season is WAYYY Over-rated.

And no im not saying we are the team to beat, but i am saying you need to stop talking about your guys' mediocre additions.

And everybody you mentioned is an upgrade from last year. Arrington was such a big part of our defense he didn't even get on the field in a few games even though he wasn't injured. Arrington was always overrated in my book.

[Hostile]

And everybody you mentioned is an upgrade from last year. Arrington was such a big part of our defense he didn't even get on the field in a few games even though he wasn't injured. Arrington was always overrated in my book.What's your username on ES?

[gbrittain]

i dont know how you can put the boys first cuz of TO- unless he's gonna play D. the giants and skins have made a few signings too.


should have known salisbury would say something dumb.

I do not get it. I visited ES and a bunch of Skins fans keep talking trash about the Dallas D.

Lets review for just a second:

Points Allowed:
Wash 18.3 /game 9th NFL
Dallas 19.3 / game 12th NFL

Yards Per Game:
Wash 297.9 /game 9th NFL
Dallas 300.9 /game 10th NFL

Rush Yards Per Game:
Wash 105.4 /game 13th NFL
Dallas 108.2 /game 15th NFL

Pass Yards Per Game:
Wash 192.6 /game 10th NFL
Dallas 192.7 /game 11th NFL

Sacks:
Wash 35 20th NFL
Dallas 37 16th NFL

I dont know how Dallas was able to be virtually tied with Washington in every single major defensive category. I mean Washington has way better defensive talent and defensive coordinator.:rolleyes:

[redskinsforever]

What's your username on ES?

I'm the one they call Sith Lord.

[Hostile]

I'm the one they call Sith Lord.And if I look up all of your 2300+ posts there I'm going to see where you "ALWAYS" felt Arrington was "overrated?"


EDit: 1 hour (or so) later...you sure got quiet all of the sudden.

[redskinsforever]

And if I look up all of your 2300+ posts there I'm going to see where you "ALWAYS" felt Arrington was "overrated?"


EDit: 1 hour (or so) later...you sure got quiet all of the sudden.

Go right ahead. Actually, I don't think that I commented on Arrington all that much.

[Hostile]

Go right ahead. Actually, I don't think that I commented on Arrington all that much.I'm sorry, but I don't believe you were "always" of the opinion that Lavar Arrington was overrated. That just doesn't ring true at all given his Draft status and some of his accomplishments. Last year? Yeah, I'll buy that. From the time he sought the money he was screwed out of by a bumbling agent and a dishonest front office? Yeah, I can even buy that.

Always? Naw. This isn't my first rodeo. Without even looking it up I know you just spun the homer faery tale because he's no longer a Skin. You can deny that if you want to. No intelligent fan is going to believe you.

[redskinsforever]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you were "always" of the opinion that Lavar Arrington was overrated. That just doesn't ring true at all given his Draft status and some of his accomplishments. Last year? Yeah, I'll buy that. From the time he sought the money he was screwed out of by a bumbling agent and a dishonest front office? Yeah, I can even buy that.

Always? Naw. This isn't my first rodeo. Without even looking it up I know you just spun the homer faery tale because he's no longer a Skin. You can deny that if you want to. No intelligent fan is going to believe you.

Lavar Arrington is a slightly above average linebacker in my book. Let me ask you this: If he's so good, then why is he still on the market? I said the samething about Champ Bailey. Neither one of those guys are as good as the media would have you believe, but I will admitt that Champ had a good season this year.

[Reality]

Respect is earned on the field, not bought in free agency .. otherwise, the skins would have it :D

:lmao2:

[Hostile]

Lavar Arrington is a slightly above average linebacker in my book. Let me ask you this: If he's so good, then why is he still on the market? I said the samething about Champ Bailey. Neither one of those guys are as good as the media would have you believe, but I will admitt that Champ had a good season this year.Where did I say he was "good?" Good luck trying to spin this back on to me. You stubbed your toe. Quit acting like you meant to.

[redskinsforever]

Respect is earned on the field, not bought in free agency .. otherwise, the skins would have it :D

:lmao2:

True, but this isn't the late 90's Redskins. Things have been a whole lot different since Gibbs have come back. In the past, Snyder ran the Redskins like a Madden game by adding every big name free agent he could sign, now, the Skins only add players they need and it's working.

[bobbie brewskie]

True, but this isn't the late 90's Redskins. Things have been a whole lot different since Gibbs have come back. In the past, Snyder ran the Redskins like a Madden game by adding every big name free agent he could sign, now, the Skins only add players they need and it's working.

yea u guys really need a 3rd string reciever and another reciever who COULD be good. the 3rd stringer costing you guys way to much and of course your boy adam archuleta dont get us started on him hahahaha you guys are a joke.

[redskinsforever]

yea u guys really need a 3rd string reciever and another reciever who COULD be good. the 3rd stringer costing you guys way to much and of course your boy adam archuleta dont get us started on him hahahaha you guys are a joke.

We're a joke? You guys are the ones that just gambled on a known team killer. Say what you will, but all I know is that we were a playoff team last year and we've made improvements to be better next year. You guys got TO and WR wasn't even your biggest need.

[Hostile]

We're a joke? You guys are the ones that just gambled on a known team killer. Say what you will, but all I know is that we were a playoff team last year and we've made improvements to be better next year. You guys got TO and WR wasn't even your biggest need.It also wasn't our only move. He was acquired not to be a WR but a play maker.

[redskinsforever]

It also wasn't our only move. He was acquired not to be a WR but a play maker.

TO might not have been your only move, but he was the only move that really matters so far.

[superpunk]

TO might not have been your only move, but he was the only move that really matters so far.

A solid RT, up and coming LB...these mean nothing?

[Hostile]

TO might not have been your only move, but he was the only move that really matters so far.Some of you guys are unreal. Either you don't pay attention or you say stupid stuff on purpose. I don't know what it is. Either way mission accomplished.

Every move matters. Guys who are released. Guys who are signed. Guys who get drafted. Coaching changes.

Or is this only true of your team? Take off the homer glasses and talk football. I don't buy the propoganda. You wanna swallow that it's your business.

[Chuck 54]

I don't think calling us a team to beat is T.O. hype at all.

Yes, T.O. is one of the top 3-5 WR's in the league and will be our first #1 guy since Irvin, but I think this also has a lot to do with two new starters on our OL, Kozier and Fabini, and getting Adams back.

Tucker / Allen / Johnson / Rivera / Pettitti

certainly doesn't look as good as:


Adams / Kozier (or Allen) / Johnson (or Gurode) / Rivera / Fabini

Plus, we added a healthy, solid blocking TE from Seattle who will be a much better receiver than Campbell.

We've also added a solid LB.

Everyone assumes we'll also add a FS and Kicker, so why not look to the Cowboys, especially since Bledsoe proved he can still play at a high level, and did it with no Running Game due to an unhealthy JJ and terrible OL and a WR corps that overachieved but didn't strike fear into anyone.

[redskinsforever]

Some of you guys are unreal. Either you don't pay attention or you say stupid stuff on purpose. I don't know what it is. Either way mission accomplished.

Every move matters. Guys who are released. Guys who are signed. Guys who get drafted. Coaching changes.

Or is this only true of your team? Take off the homer glasses and talk football. I don't buy the propoganda. You wanna swallow that it's your business.

That's kind of funny because most here seems to think that Lloyd and Randle El are a couple of nobodys that we overpaid. But anyway, I just went to your "official website of the Cowboys" and it was 99% TO and 1% John Fabini. That tells me a lot. When the Skins signed Lloyd, Randle El, Carter and Archilletta, they were given equal billing on Redskins.com.

[superpunk]

That's kind of funny because most here seems to think that Lloyd and Randle El are a couple of nobodys that we overpaid. But anyway, I just went to your "official website of the Cowboys" and it was 99% TO and 1% John Fabini.

This is shocking? TO is one of the top 3 receivers in the league. Fabini is a decent RT. Gee....wonder which one attracts more attention?:rolleyes:

That tells me a lot. When the Skins signed Lloyd, Randle El, Carter and Archilletta, they were given equal billing on Redskins.com.

They're all about the same level of mediocre. So they receive the same billing.

[redskinsforever]

This is shocking? TO is one of the top 3 receivers in the league. Fabini is a decent RT. Gee....wonder which one attracts more attention?:rolleyes:



They're all about the same level of mediocre. So they receive the same billing.

Didn't Lloyd have one of his best games against the Cowboys?

[Reality]

Didn't Lloyd have one of his best games against the Cowboys?So did Tim Rattay :) Where's he playing now?

-Reality is real

[superpunk]

Didn't Lloyd have one of his best games against the Cowboys?

Didn't Troy Hambrick have one of his best games against the Redskins? Jason Garrett?

Last I checked, the season is still 16 games long.

[Hostile]

That's kind of funny because most here seems to think that Lloyd and Randle El are a couple of nobodys that we overpaid. But anyway, I just went to your "official website of the Cowboys" and it was 99% TO and 1% John Fabini. That tells me a lot. When the Skins signed Lloyd, Randle El, Carter and Archilletta, they were given equal billing on Redskins.com.You need to go back and read. People have said you "overpaid" not that the signings will not "matter."

[redskinsforever]

You need to go back and read. People have said you "overpaid" not that the signings will not "matter."

If someone says that a signing is mediocre or we overpaid, do they really have to say that the signing doesn't matter? I can draw my own conclusions.

[Hostile]

If someone says that a signing is mediocre or we overpaid, do they really have to say that the signing doesn't matter? I can draw my own conclusions.:lmao2:

Reading comprehension be damned, there's mud to sling.

Great philosophy. [/sarcasm off]

[redskinsforever]

:lmao2:

Reading comprehension be damned, there's mud to sling.

Great philosophy. [/sarcasm off]

You know as well as I do if I would ask the question "do the signings of Lloyd and Randle El matter", most on this board would say no. And they'll be wrong.

[5Stars]

:lmao2:

Reading comprehension be damned, there's mud to sling.

Great philosophy. [/sarcasm off]

They have/had a thread over at ES asking something like, "Who's the best reciever in the NFL...."?

Guess who everyone over there said was the best? Yup, Santana Moss! :laugh2:

Santana Moss is so much better then even T.O.! T.O. is to old and slow now...he cannot run or catch as good as Santana Moss! :lmao:

It is freaking hilarous over there! Santana Moss burned the Boyz twice, so now the Boy is an Idol God to those idiots!

:lmao2:

[riggo]

I do not get it. I visited ES and a bunch of Skins fans keep talking trash about the Dallas D.

Lets review for just a second:

Points Allowed:
Wash 18.3 /game 9th NFL
Dallas 19.3 / game 12th NFL

Yards Per Game:
Wash 297.9 /game 9th NFL
Dallas 300.9 /game 10th NFL

Rush Yards Per Game:
Wash 105.4 /game 13th NFL
Dallas 108.2 /game 15th NFL

Pass Yards Per Game:
Wash 192.6 /game 10th NFL
Dallas 192.7 /game 11th NFL

Sacks:
Wash 35 20th NFL
Dallas 37 16th NFL

I dont know how Dallas was able to be virtually tied with Washington in every single major defensive category. I mean Washington has way better defensive talent and defensive coordinator.:rolleyes:

my comment about owens playing D wasnt meant to be a knock on dallas' D necessarily. i was only pointing out that there are other holes that all teams need to fill. dallas will have flozell back and i think that should help them tremendously.

skins fans have good reason to be excited. they had no number 2 or 3 WR, yet the O overall played well. adding the players they added really seems to upgrade the team that was the last one standing in the east.

if dallas' o line -and jj- can stay healthy, bledsoe will be good and the O overall should be much improved.

[Cowchips]

If we sign Vinitieri, we are the favorite. Until then, show me.

[redskinsforever]

If we sign Vinitieri, we are the favorite. Until then, show me.

A kicker makes you favorites, Unreal.

[gbrittain]

my comment about owens playing D wasnt meant to be a knock on dallas' D necessarily. i was only pointing out that there are other holes that all teams need to fill. dallas will have flozell back and i think that should help them tremendously.

skins fans have good reason to be excited. they had no number 2 or 3 WR, yet the O overall played well. adding the players they added really seems to upgrade the team that was the last one standing in the east.

if dallas' o line -and jj- can stay healthy, bledsoe will be good and the O overall should be much improved.

I will give you credit Riggo, but go to ES for about one minute and you will see Skins fans tear down Williams, Newman, Henry, LBs minus Ware, and DL.

I am just trying to figure out how Dallas has such sorry D talent and D coordinator yet statistically Wash and Dallas are almost mirror images of each other.

As for the Skins in their offseason, I dont pay attention to the cap. There are plenty of capoligist on this board and I am not one of them. I just look at the acquisitions, and yes you guys should be excited. I would much rather face Moss, Jacobs, and Thrash than Moss, Lloyd and Randle El.

I have never been impressed by Adam Archuleta, but who know maybe GW can get something out of him others have not been able to.

[vicjagger]

Sean Salsbury? Come on, how about a real expert, Skip Bayless. He says we're still the worst team in the East!

:lmao2:

[Bob Sacamano]

I dont think saying we are the team to beat is that far off base.

This team was very close last season......erase a couple of ingeries we would have been right smack dab in the middle of the playoffs.

JJ & BP have made very significant improvements to the OL and we have very adequate backups. Put that with a healthy Adams & Rivera we are ready to rumble..

Forget his past this is now......Owens bring that spark, that swagger to the O we have been lacking since the playmaker retired.

Have no doubts.....We will Get a kicker and an OLB.........This Chicken Little has been plucked.

WE will be the team to beat in the East.......and who knows if this team really gels and I think it will.....we will contend for the whole shoot'n Match.

wow, never seen you so optimistic before CB

and I agree, we're only a OLB and PK away...

[Hostile]

You know as well as I do if I would ask the question "do the signings of Lloyd and Randle El matter", most on this board would say no. And they'll be wrong.If the only 2 optional answers are yes and no, then I'd agree with you. That would be the case.

There will always be resentment votes. You know about those. You're trying to spin doctor one yourself out of some sort of resentment mode.

Every forum is made up of different levels of fan. Even amongst the opposing team's fans. I'd never welcome being a bottm scraper. Not even for some convoluted sense of revenge.