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the kid 05
03-19-2006, 11:15 AM
he played well enough for me last season, yeah if Mike Huff fell to us id take him, but who wouldn't? what does he do that has everyone not liking him?
JackMagist
03-19-2006, 11:20 AM
he played well enough for me last season, yeah if Mike Huff fell to us id take him, but who wouldn't? what does he do that has everyone not liking him?He just does not cover well. He plays like a SS not a FS and we have plenty of SS already. Other than that I like him; he is a ST demon.
SilverStarCowboy
03-19-2006, 11:21 AM
He can't cover.
Zaxor
03-19-2006, 11:23 AM
He is/was very raw...

he is started to see it at times...I think...question is..how long can we wait till he gets "it"
dbair1967
03-19-2006, 11:25 AM
just doesnt offer much in coverage...limited range and virtually no ball skills

we really need a FS who can go after the ball in the air

David
DallasEast
03-19-2006, 11:27 AM
If you would only look back at the first Washington game last season, you'll understand the importance of having a free safety like Davis providing deep cover against the likes of deep threats such as Moss. Cornerbacks can only do so much when your defensive line can't pressure the quarterback quickly enough.
parchy
03-19-2006, 11:29 AM
In every game he played in last season, you can find a glaring example out of Davis of why he shouldn't be anywhere near the defensive backfield.
Reality
03-19-2006, 11:29 AM
Davis is a poor man's version of Roy Williams. Less instinct, less quickness, less impact, less coverage ability .. and Roy isn't that great in coverage himself.
MichaelWinicki
03-19-2006, 11:30 AM
just doesnt offer much in coverage...limited range and virtually no ball skills

we really need a FS who can go after the ball in the air

David

Exactly.

I would love a "Brock Marion" type.
DallasEast
03-19-2006, 11:33 AM
Davis is a poor man's version of Roy Williams. Less instinct, less quickness, less impact, less coverage ability .. and Roy isn't that great in coverage himself.True. IMO, Roy is the He-Man of strong safeties. He can shut down the run as well as any linebacker, but his coverage skills have been average to date. All the more reason to get a free safety back there with him to offset his weakness.

The word 'weakness' and Roy Williams don't go well together, do they?
big dog cowboy
03-19-2006, 11:35 AM
He isn't good enough and is the weak link on our D. He may be have been good enough for kowboys 05 but he wasn't near good enough for me.
Reality
03-19-2006, 11:38 AM
True. IMO, Roy is the He-Man of strong safeties. He can shut down the run as well as any linebacker, but his coverage skills have been average to date. All the more reason to get a free safety back there with him to offset his weakness.

The word 'weakness' and Roy Williams don't go well together, do they?I think Roy Williams is a great strong safety .. his only weakness in my opinion is his coverage ability which would be greatly helped by having a solid free safety behind him. Roy can cover underneath very well, he just doesn't have the speed to cover deep and he has trouble with speedy receivers running crossing patterns.
MONT17
03-19-2006, 11:40 AM
Keith Davis had ZERO picks last year... your FS has to get some... if he wouldve had one last year I might be like give him time, but he is too valueable on TEAMS... and I cant wait for him to shut skins fans up by knocking some pork fat off Randel El... I think with the last name Randel El he doesnt eat pork... so thats going to be some hittin!!!
MichaelWinicki
03-19-2006, 11:43 AM
Please give me a FS that can cover a slot receiver. That would make our base 3-4 so much more effective.
dal0789
03-19-2006, 11:44 AM
I think with the last name Randel El he doesnt eat pork... so thats going to be some hittin!!!

HAHAHAHA:laugh2:
jrumann59
03-19-2006, 11:49 AM
Part of Davis's problem was that Parcells needed him on ST and starting taking reps from him to better save him from being worn out but we do need a good FS and Brock Marion is n't what he once was.
Cowboy4ever
03-19-2006, 11:51 AM
I am a little puzzled about the distain for Keith Davis at fs myself. I am not sure any rookie would have played better. And he was a rookie,, in that spot. I personally think the man has skills and will flourish given time to learn. D.Ware for example.. showed signs of being a total beast,, and he showed signs of being a complete bust too. It takes time to learn a position at the NFL level. I am not sure drafting a rookie would provide any more benefits than a 2nd year player or provide any better upside. I just can't see wasting the athlethic ability of K. Davis only on ST. I think he can contribute more given the chance.
neosapien23
03-19-2006, 11:54 AM
I am a little puzzled about the distain for Keith Davis at fs myself. I am not sure any rookie would have played better. And he was a rookie,, in that spot. I personally think the man has skills and will flourish given time to learn. D.Ware for example.. showed signs of being a total beast,, and he showed signs of being a complete bust too. It takes time to learn a position at the NFL level. I am not sure drafting a rookie would provide any more benefits than a 2nd year player or provide any better upside. I just can't see wasting the athlethic ability of K. Davis only on ST. I think he can contribute more given the chance.

Keith Davis is much more of a SS type. His coverage skills are alot worse than most rookie FSs. Heck, Roy Williams covers skills were actually better in his rookie year.
Seven
03-19-2006, 12:04 PM
I used to say inexperience and that could still ring true for the most part. However the guy did not improve at all last year in coverage. I would of expected to of heard his name called in at least one pass break up/defended. Didn't happen. Didn't see any improvement at all honestly.
I'd pay him a million a year for the ST though. Guy's an animal.

Maybe it'll happen this year.........who knows.
twa
03-19-2006, 12:24 PM
I used to say inexperience and that could still ring true for the most part. However the guy did not improve at all last year in coverage. I would of expected to of heard his name called in at least one pass break up/defended. Didn't happen. Didn't see any improvement at all honestly.
I'd pay him a million a year for the ST though. Guy's an animal.

Maybe it'll happen this year.........who knows.

We can always hope,but if we can find someone with the instincts or ability to cover we ALL would feel more comfortable. The kid is out of position way too much,whether from bad reads or over aggressiveness:bang2:
justbob
03-19-2006, 12:52 PM
He is/was very raw...

he is started to see it at times...I think...question is..how long can we wait till he gets "it"

Hey harvestor---I think you are right on the money ---How big a jump does he make this year --and will we or are we willing to wait
Yakuza Rich
03-19-2006, 01:03 PM
Davis was awful last year, only slightly better than Lynn Scott and Tony Dixon.

Thankfully, Roy can cover and the CB's were great last year so that covered him up as a liability. Still, the guy continually blows assignments and gets fooled all of the time on pump fakes and play action.


Rich.........
ghst187
03-19-2006, 03:08 PM
He just does not cover well. He plays like a SS not a FS and we have plenty of SS already. Other than that I like him; he is a ST demon.

I agree, KD would make a great SS, unfortunately (not really) we already have a superstar at SS and we need a FS, which KD is not great at.