I honestly think we're going to have the most explosive offense in the East

[Galian Beast]

I think if we look at the numbers, we see a good idea of how improved we're going to be. Not really just about T.O. rather our offensive improvement.

First I like to take a look at Donavan McNabb (pre-T.O.)

The year before he had a 79.6 quarterback rating, 16 tds, and 11 interceptions.

With T.O. he had 31 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions, with a QB rating of 104.7 Nearly 20 points higher than his career high.

And though it isn't as good a comparison, if you look at Jeff Garcia's numbers, his qb rating was always higher than an 80 after his rookie year with T.O. And really continued to shoot down when he went to Cleveland going mid 70s.

Drew Bledsoe put together an 83.7 qb rating season, despite the depleted oline for more than half the season... I honestly can't imagine him not having a 100+ qb rating season with T.O. and a healthy oline. Which is something he hasn't even done before. He very well could have done it last year if Flozell hadn't gone down. With the addition of Fabini and Terell Owens... I say you can count on it.

Drew Bledsoe's QB rating in all games that Flozell played.

#1 QB Rating: 143.4 against san diego

#2 QB Rating: 90.2 against washington (was extremely conservative also)

#3 QB Rating: 90.1 against san fransisco

#4 QB Rating: 68.1 against Oakland (includes a half time hail marry, so it should be higher)

#5 QB Rating: 122.2 against philly

#6 QB Rating : 93.5 against New York

Also in terms of the running game if you compare Kevan Barlow before and after T.O. You're also getting two completely different backs. he went from 5.1 yards per carry to 3.4 and 3.3 in the two years without t.o. respectively. Although I bet that also has a lot to do with the fact that san fransisco is simply deplted in terms of offensive talent. I remember when we wanted him for a 2nd round draft pick though.

And despite the poor offensive run blocking, julius jones still didn't have a horrible year. Nearly averaged 4.0 yards a carry. I really hope that Rivera is healthier this year and plays to expectations. It should be easier for him with the slack going towards Fabini more. I still think we need to bring in Jerald Sowell, and I'm still hoping we bring Keyshawn back, despite any turmoil that could cause.

[dreamshatterer]

The main reason why (IMO) McNabb became a better QB cause TO CAN get seperation and he also can scramble to extend the play. When a play was broken, McNabb had to run but TO got open. If the offense is gonna work, the WR's need to get seperation cause Bledsoe is NOT a srambler which also ties in the O-line and the RB's blocking. Its all about the supporting cast.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I think it hinges on Julius Jones. Bledsoe is a solid QB whether you want to admit it or not. TO also is a proven WR whether you want to admit it or not. But J.Jones? He still needs to prove he can hold his 1/3 part of the new Cowboys' Triplets. Can he?

AF

[Galian Beast]

If he can stay healthy and has the blocking he needs, there is no raeson why he shouldn't be able to post 1400+ yards per season. I mean he was 7 away from 1000 last year and he missed 4 games, and didn't really get the entire load for the rest of the season (not saying he will again, but you know...).

I could easily see him posting about 300 with just what he had going with him last year (within those 4 games). With better blocking I don't see why he couldn't do even more.

[Gfunk]

what's the status of Flozell Adams?

[Rack Bauer]

The main reason why (IMO) McNabb became a better QB cause TO CAN get seperation and he also can scramble to extend the play. When a play was broken, McNabb had to run but TO got open. If the offense is gonna work, the WR's need to get seperation cause Bledsoe is NOT a srambler which also ties in the O-line and the RB's blocking. Its all about the supporting cast.


True about McFlabb's scrammbling.

But at the same time McNabb is infamous for being an inaccurate QB. Some of the plays that McFlabb couldn't make in the pocket, BLedsoe CAN make. So, IMO, it evens out. Bledsoe won't make as many plays outside the pocket as McFLabb, but he'll make more plays IN the pocket then McFlabb.

[Rack Bauer]

what's the status of Flozell Adams?


Last I heard he was ahead of schedule on his rehab. As far as I know he'll be starting the offseason conditioning program on Monday along with the rest of the team.

[Galian Beast]

But doesn't the fact that we went out and got a Terrell Owens suggest to most that our offense is going to change in philosophy. I think we're going to be a lot more pass happy. Which is a good thing. Obviously not to the extent that the eagles were (what like ~70% passing)

[Rack Bauer]

But doesn't the fact that we went out and got a Terrell Owens suggest to most that our offense is going to change in philosophy. I think we're going to be a lot more pass happy. Which is a good thing. Obviously not to the extent that the eagles were (what like ~70% passing)


I completely disagree. I think we'll run the ball more cuz we'll have the opportunity to be a lot more effective doing so. Opposing D's secondaries are gonna have all their eyes on TO and Glenn now. That will help open our running game.

I'll tell you what though, our play action is going to be deadly this year, especially late in games that we've been running the ball effectively.

[calico]

Damn, sure are alot of skin fans over here all of a sudden.

:skins:

[Boysn066666666]

I think its fairly apparent that we will have the best offense in our division. Probably the best in the whole NFC.

[Haley94]

If everyone remains healthy, we will have one of the most balanced offenses in the league. Like Irvin said, having a true number 1 opens it up for everyone else. And let's not forget about Barber, he had some nice runs and i think he is going to be a great compliment to Jones.

[dreamshatterer]

If everyone remains healthy, we will have one of the most balanced offenses in the league. Like Irvin said, having a true number 1 opens it up for everyone else. And let's not forget about Barber, he had some nice runs and i think he is going to be a great compliment to Jones.

Staying healthy always helps. But I was wondering, has TO ever played in a non West Coast offense system? Whats harder, learning a WCO offense or adapting to a new type from a WCO?

[Haley94]

The cowboys runs an offense that incorporate many different styles including some of the west cost drops. TO is the type of receiver you can put into any system and he will be productive. I'm sure the coach will devise strategies that best fit his skills. He will only need to learn the new language of the system. Believe me, this is not a worry.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Staying healthy always helps. But I was wondering, has TO ever played in a non West Coast offense system? Whats harder, learning a WCO offense or adapting to a new type from a WCO?

Have you ever seen TO play? Bill Walsh's WCO is gone and has been for a decade. The 3 step drop and quick throw has never been Owen's bag.

He does intermediate to deep routes with a lot of work over the middle.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

I think if we look at the numbers, we see a good idea of how improved we're going to be. Not really just about T.O. rather our offensive improvement.

First I like to take a look at Donavan McNabb (pre-T.O.)

The year before he had a 79.6 quarterback rating, 16 tds, and 11 interceptions.

With T.O. he had 31 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions, with a QB rating of 104.7 Nearly 20 points higher than his career high.

And though it isn't as good a comparison, if you look at Jeff Garcia's numbers, his qb rating was always higher than an 80 after his rookie year with T.O. And really continued to shoot down when he went to Cleveland going mid 70s.

Drew Bledsoe put together an 83.7 qb rating season, despite the depleted oline for more than half the season... I honestly can't imagine him not having a 100+ qb rating season with T.O. and a healthy oline. Which is something he hasn't even done before. He very well could have done it last year if Flozell hadn't gone down. With the addition of Fabini and Terell Owens... I say you can count on it.

Drew Bledsoe's QB rating in all games that Flozell played.

#1 QB Rating: 143.4 against san diego

#2 QB Rating: 90.2 against washington (was extremely conservative also)

#3 QB Rating: 90.1 against san fransisco

#4 QB Rating: 68.1 against Oakland (includes a half time hail marry, so it should be higher)

#5 QB Rating: 122.2 against philly

#6 QB Rating : 93.5 against New York

Also in terms of the running game if you compare Kevan Barlow before and after T.O. You're also getting two completely different backs. he went from 5.1 yards per carry to 3.4 and 3.3 in the two years without t.o. respectively. Although I bet that also has a lot to do with the fact that san fransisco is simply deplted in terms of offensive talent. I remember when we wanted him for a 2nd round draft pick though.

And despite the poor offensive run blocking, julius jones still didn't have a horrible year. Nearly averaged 4.0 yards a carry. I really hope that Rivera is healthier this year and plays to expectations. It should be easier for him with the slack going towards Fabini more. I still think we need to bring in Jerald Sowell, and I'm still hoping we bring Keyshawn back, despite any turmoil that could cause.

I don't want to sound like a homer, but this offense has not only the potential to be the best offense in the nfc east, but among the best in the NFL, but it all starts up front....

You made a lot of excellent points about Bledsoe, and I truly believe that this offense would have went on to great things had flozell not gotten hurt. Not only is he coming back healthy, but we added Fabini to immediatly upgrade the RT position and Kosier to either start (if LA is released) or provide serious depth.

I think the biggest thing about the TO signing that most people are overlooking is that he is going to open up the offense in a variety of ways:

1) The teams who think they can blitz us consistenly because of Bledsoe being a statue will have to rethink their entire gameplan knowing that we have a receiver that can catch a 3 yard hot route and turn it into a 70 yard TD after the catch.

2) The passing game will open up the running game and screen passing

3) Witten won't have to block as much with a healthy oline and will be able to roam free up the middle due to double and triple coverage on TO

4) Glenn will get more one on one opportunites as well to run the deep routes.

5) Crayton (and/or keyshawn if he's brought back) will truly have a chance to step to the plate and make huge plays considering the fact that EVERYBODY will overlook him and fail to respect him in the passing game as the 4th or 5th option.

[Dale]

But doesn't the fact that we went out and got a Terrell Owens suggest to most that our offense is going to change in philosophy. I think we're going to be a lot more pass happy. Which is a good thing. Obviously not to the extent that the eagles were (what like ~70% passing)

We have to revise our offensive scheme or TO, at times, will become useless. We can't simply place TO in the role that Keyshawn played a year ago, and expect him to have a fabulous year.

When you have a threat like TO, you oftentimes build the offense around him. I expect that, even when the ball isn't going to him, we'll be scheming up plays to make other teams think we're going to him, freeing up running lanes and opening up things for Glenn.

The great thing about this offense is that we aren't forced to go to TO all the time. What I don't believe is getting enough play is the fact that TO has never been surrounded by as many weapons as he will be here. In fact, the only time he, as a 1000-yard receiver has been paired with another 1000-yarder was in '99, when both Owens and Rice eclipsed the mark -- Owens wasn't even a full-time starter that season, though, starting only 10 of 16 games he played.

Most of his tenure with Rice was either when Owens was too young to be perceived as a threat, or, once Owens developed, Rice was too old to be considered too big a threat. Plus, he's never had great tight ends and the running backs he has played with have been average. Westbrook's entire package is marvelous, but he isn't among the best pure runners in the league.

He comes here to a quarterback that has been to Pro Bowls without Terrell's presence and, as proved last season, Bledsoe still has enough in him to play at a high level. He comes here to the best pass-catching tight end he has ever been paired with. He also comes here to one of the best receiving threats he has ever been paired with...I mean, in Philly he had, what, Pinkston, Mitchell, Thrash, Lewis and their rookie from last season. Julius, while unproven, has at least shown the potential to put up a number of big games.

It's going to be interesting. Right now, everyone's so caught up on all the subplots at this signing that few on the outside are really looking at what it does for us as a football team. Once the dust settles, I think some will be surprised by how significantly this changes the outlook of our offense.

[Bob Sacamano]

Galian, you fail to mention the Kosier signing, his athleticsm and mobility will really help the running game as he can get to the 2nd level and block LBs, something RIvera and LA struggled with immensely last year, and which all RBs need after they hit the hole...

[Bob Sacamano]

True about McFlabb's scrammbling.

But at the same time McNabb is infamous for being an inaccurate QB. Some of the plays that McFlabb couldn't make in the pocket, BLedsoe CAN make. So, IMO, it evens out. Bledsoe won't make as many plays outside the pocket as McFLabb, but he'll make more plays IN the pocket then McFlabb.

plus alot of McNabb's throws on the run were miraculous grabs by TO :lmao: *skip* *skip* *skip*

[Bob Sacamano]

If everyone remains healthy, we will have one of the most balanced offenses in the league. Like Irvin said, having a true number 1 opens it up for everyone else. And let's not forget about Barber, he had some nice runs and i think he is going to be a great compliment to Jones.

signing TO fixes 2 problems, or the idea is that it fixes 2 problems, and those are WRs creating seperation, which TO is well-known for, and which we struggled with outside of Glenn, and he causes Ds to back off, which opens up running lanes, setting up the run with the pass if you will...

[Billy Bullocks]

Staying healthy always helps. But I was wondering, has TO ever played in a non West Coast offense system? Whats harder, learning a WCO offense or adapting to a new type from a WCO?

His job is still to run his routes and catch the ball. The routes don't change that much from system to system, just how frequently certain ones are used.

TO = Good no matter where he plays.

I still can't believe I'm going to have to root for this guy next year.

[Tenkamenin]

IAlso in terms of the running game if you compare Kevan Barlow before and after T.O. You're also getting two completely different backs. he went from 5.1 yards per carry to 3.4 and 3.3 in the two years without t.o. respectively. Although I bet that also has a lot to do with the fact that san fransisco is simply deplted in terms of offensive talent. I remember when we wanted him for a 2nd round draft pick though.

And despite the poor offensive run blocking, julius jones still didn't have a horrible year. Nearly averaged 4.0 yards a carry. I really hope that Rivera is healthier this year and plays to expectations. It should be easier for him with the slack going towards Fabini more. I still think we need to bring in Jerald Sowell, and I'm still hoping we bring Keyshawn back, despite any turmoil that could cause.

Barlow's decline had more to do with Garrison Hearst departure from the Niners. The Garrison Hearst/ Barlow situation is very comparable to the Emmitt and T Ham situation. T-Ham was averaging about 5 yards a carry as Emmitts backup but when he was a full time starter he was avg 3.4 yards a carry

[bobbie brewskie]

Yea like Bledsoe4MVP said this offense could be a top offense in the NFL!

QB: Bledsoe - A gunslinger, he can bomb the ball downfield all day to TG in 1 on coverage. we all know that Witten is 1 of his favorite targets. basically he throws a good pass all over the field from. downside is he is about as hard to tackle as a Bag of sand. we need a veteran backup Brooks, Volek, whoever doesnt play baseball or golf.

O-Line - 2 off-season acquisitions are amazing because they are versatile players who will most likely start and definately provide depth all over a weak O-line from last year. this new corpse of 7-8 guys (healthy adams) is on another level than what we had last year, and this is what will give us 15 more passes instead of sacks, and +15 passes makes 1 happy TO!

FB - Lousaka Polite - IMO he was pretty good last year, solid, no injuries and seemed to be progressing really well. maybe add some depth at this position though, eh not a big concern . . .

HB - Jones hopefully with the upgraded line will return to how he looked at the end of his rookie year. on the other hand we got MBIII backing him up, he progressed well last year and stepped up for the 4 games jones missed and then some. Tyson Tompson adds even more depth and is a track star in pads.

WR - TO - nuff said, TG great 1 on 1 and great deep threat and is going to have that all day with TO on the field. Crayton is emerging, like they say "recievers are always best in their 3rd year." Yes he had his ankle injury, but come on now he was back on the field within 3 weeks of a HIGH ankle sprain, thats pretty impressive to be back taht quick.

TE - Witten - we all know what he can do. and addition of a 26 year old Dan Campbell is nice, so we are all set here.

Bledsoe throwing to - TO, TG, Crayton, Witten. with an upgraded o-line and 2 good backs to support this cast of recievers.
blitzing will be hard with TG lined up opposite of TO, leaving either of them in single coverage is already bad enough - imagine both of em . . .

this is a mean offense with a lot of potential and now some depth at O-LINE!

[ka0tik]

No doubt', we are the better team right now in the NFC-EAST. all the rest are just right behind us. we really got an advantage with T.O. I hope everything goes ok , and everyone stays healthy.

[Billy Bullocks]

Nice posts by Brewskie and Dale, dont have much to add.

You can hate TO (im reserving judgement, funny how things change when someone dons your colors), but his ON FIELD talent is undeniable.

Allen and Rivera are both aging, but I have faith that Rivera will be the player we envisioned when we handed him that big bonus last year. If Allen stays, I do like the prosepect of having a young backup (Kosier) who can play either guard spot, and even tackle in a pinch, to keep the line firing on all cylinders if someone goes down.

Adams return is going to help immensely, the break down of Bledsoe with him at the helm was really good. Though some of those teams werent particularly good against the pass, putting up those kind of QB ratings is good no matter what.

Bottom Line: TO makes this offense explosive. No matter what we try and tell ourselves, we didn't have that type of presence for a while now. The Defense is up and coming (they could be dominant next year), and now the offense looks like it could match.

[Cowboy4ever]

As stated before in this thread, TO has never played with such a talented group around him. My question is, does this make him better or angry? I am reserving judgement on this signing of TO, but we have to consider, not only is one of the premiere wr in the league, he has an ego to match. Will he be willing to be a decoy so Glenn can bust one over the top? Will He appreciate the presence of a Crayton? My concern is, with TO always talking, Drew will always look at him first,, regardless of what his progression is supposed to be. No doubt on paper we are much improved. We will see how it translate to on the field.

[Zaxor]

First off let me say that I love the optimism that most are expressing...

but I have a hard time keeping that kool-aid down...

the things that worry me are...

the lack of a short passing game...I think because of who we have at QB...most teams will play a deep zone...and blitz LB's...I didn't like the way Bledsoe handled the blitz last year or any year of his career for that matter... Can anyone picture Bledsoe throwing to Owens on a quick anything (out/slant...) nope me either... which still result in 7 right at the LOS..which is still probably one more than they can block...it also means probably not much of a running lane for the backs...

Another thing that worries me is can JuJo stay health? also the age at WR is a bit worrisome....

I can see the "O" being a top 10 the first 6 or 7 games but I think it will trail off as the season progresses and by Christmas we will all be asking Santa for some O...

but I have been wrong before...

You Kool-aid drinkers...drink on...it is always nice to hear something positive about the boys...even if it is kool-aid induced:D

[CrazyCowboy]

I think if we look at the numbers, we see a good idea of how improved we're going to be. Not really just about T.O. rather our offensive improvement.

First I like to take a look at Donavan McNabb (pre-T.O.)

The year before he had a 79.6 quarterback rating, 16 tds, and 11 interceptions.

With T.O. he had 31 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions, with a QB rating of 104.7 Nearly 20 points higher than his career high.

And though it isn't as good a comparison, if you look at Jeff Garcia's numbers, his qb rating was always higher than an 80 after his rookie year with T.O. And really continued to shoot down when he went to Cleveland going mid 70s.

Drew Bledsoe put together an 83.7 qb rating season, despite the depleted oline for more than half the season... I honestly can't imagine him not having a 100+ qb rating season with T.O. and a healthy oline. Which is something he hasn't even done before. He very well could have done it last year if Flozell hadn't gone down. With the addition of Fabini and Terell Owens... I say you can count on it.

Drew Bledsoe's QB rating in all games that Flozell played.

#1 QB Rating: 143.4 against san diego

#2 QB Rating: 90.2 against washington (was extremely conservative also)

#3 QB Rating: 90.1 against san fransisco

#4 QB Rating: 68.1 against Oakland (includes a half time hail marry, so it should be higher)

#5 QB Rating: 122.2 against philly

#6 QB Rating : 93.5 against New York

Also in terms of the running game if you compare Kevan Barlow before and after T.O. You're also getting two completely different backs. he went from 5.1 yards per carry to 3.4 and 3.3 in the two years without t.o. respectively. Although I bet that also has a lot to do with the fact that san fransisco is simply deplted in terms of offensive talent. I remember when we wanted him for a 2nd round draft pick though.

And despite the poor offensive run blocking, julius jones still didn't have a horrible year. Nearly averaged 4.0 yards a carry. I really hope that Rivera is healthier this year and plays to expectations. It should be easier for him with the slack going towards Fabini more. I still think we need to bring in Jerald Sowell, and I'm still hoping we bring Keyshawn back, despite any turmoil that could cause.

This is a great observation and post....thanks!:bow: