Replacement for La'roi Glover?

[Gamebreaker]

Is there a replacement for La'roi Glover yet?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Is there a replacement for La'roi Glover yet?

Yes, and his name is Brodrick Bunkley. However, I'm not certain he will be a Cowboy.

;)

[cwboy1]

Willie Blade

[austintodallas]

Glover was essentially replaced last year by Jason Ferguson. We do, however, need to add some depth at the NT position either through FA or the draft.

[BrAinPaiNt]

We have some guys on the roster who got injured last year that may fill in here and there but I think we will look in the draft for the player.

[silver]

Is there a replacement for La'roi Glover yet?
Don't need to replace him. He was a 4-3 DT (one gap) and we now have the 3-4 (two gap) system where nose tackles resemble fire hydrants. Jason Ferguson is now the starting NT. with Pepper Johnson and Jay Ratliff backing him up. All three are about 6-3, 300 lbs. Glover was about 6-2, 280 soaking wet.

Having said that, we'll miss him more than we can imagine. He was a very dominant lineman on passing downs. And the time he had to play extensively vs the run because of injuries he was solid. It was sad to see him go.

[JackMagist]

Is there a replacement for La'roi Glover yet?You don't really "replace" a talent like La'Roi Glover...you just move on without him. Fergi will be starting in that spot (unless he gets hurt again) and we will either draft someone (hopefully) or go into the season with Pepper Johnson as the backup. If so Pepper needs to put on some weight IMO.

[K-DOGG]

Yes, his name is Haloti Ngata! 6'5 345lbs 4.8 40!

[TruBlueCowboy]

Yes, his name is Haloti Ngata! 6'5 345lbs 4.8 40!

Nors?

:D

[Hostile]

Yes, his name is Haloti Ngata! 6'5 345lbs 4.8 40!I would love that, but he won't fall to 18.

[JackMagist]

Yes, his name is Haloti Ngata! 6'5 345lbs 4.8 40!AT #18 in the draft? I don't think so...but keep dreaming.

[DBoys]

Willie Blade

He was cut Pepper will replace Glover

[Portland Fanatic]

NT for this team is critical...Fergy is/can not be the only NT. We need another legit starter. We will draft one within the first 3 rounds, if not, the first round. It's very possible we reach for Watson and everyone here is screaming, but another NT is that important to the success of this defense.

[slick325]

NT for this team is critical...Fergy is/can not be the only NT. We need another legit starter. We will draft one within the first 3 rounds, if not, the first round. It's very possible we reach for Watson and everyone here is screaming, but another NT is that important to the success of this defense.

Dallas didn't want to pay Glover the remaining portion of his contract because his playing time had diminished and it was not cost effective to be paying he and Fergy big money when only one is going to get substantial playing time. Now you suggest that we are going to pay 1st round money to a back up? Come now. Dallas can address the NT depth with a second day pick. All that is needed is a wide body who requires a double team and has a good motor. No NT has been a marquee player in the 3-4 that I can remember it is mostly the LB's that get the glory and the money in that formation. Depth is necessary but we do not need a starter, Fergy has that job.

[Portland Fanatic]

Dallas didn't want to pay Glover the remaining portion of his contract because his playing time had diminished and it was not cost effective to be paying he and Fergy big money when only one is going to get substantial playing time. Now you suggest that we are going to pay 1st round money to a back up? Come now. Dallas can address the NT depth with a second day pick. All that is needed is a wide body who requires a double team and has a good motor. No NT has been a marquee player in the 3-4 that I can remember it is mostly the LB's that get the glory and the money in that formation. Depth is necessary but we do not need a starter, Fergy has that job.

I don't think you understand how this defense works...Fergy WILL NOT take 100% of the defensive stats. BP plays rotations...and the first string second string crap means nothing to him. Fergy will take at MOST 60% of the defensive snaps...meaning we need another very good NT as a rotation to Fergy. We can not have an undersized NT when Fergy is out...this defense MUST have two capable starting NT.

It's obvious from your post you know nothing about BP's style and how he rotates his defensive players. :rolleyes:

[slick325]

I don't think you understand how this defense works...Fergy WILL NOT take 100% of the defensive stats. BP plays rotations...and the first string second string crap means nothing to him. Fergy will take at MOST 60% of the defensive snaps...meaning we need another very good NT as a rotation to Fergy. We can not have an undersized NT when Fergy is out...this defense MUST have two capable starting NT.

It's obvious from your post you know nothing about BP's style and how he rotates his defensive players. :rolleyes:

Actually that's not true, I have played in both the 3-4 and 4-3 defenses and know what every player is supposed to be doing on all the calls my defenses had. Dallas will address the NT on the 2nd day of the draft.

[cwboy1]

He was cut Pepper will replace Glover
I could be wrong but I thought that Willie was Allocated to NFLE by the Boys and tore his Achilles. I don't believe that he was cut but I was wrong once before so any thing is possible I guess.:D

[Clove]

THe only nose tackles out there in the draft worth anything are Ngata and Gabe Watson. Other than that , you'll have to go late rounds like a Montavious Stanley or a Titus Adams or Jeff Littlejohn, and a few other scrubs out there in the later rounds.

BUt we still have Sam Adams who can plug for 1 year until next year when we should see more out there in the draft.

[Portland Fanatic]

Actually that's not true, I have played in both the 3-4 and 4-3 defenses and know what every player is supposed to be doing on all the calls my defenses had. Dallas will address the NT on the 2nd day of the draft.

Nope...I've played as well...you under estimate the NT!

With out two legit cloggers your LB's can not roam...the sepnd their time fighting OG's....

In your defense I sure hope Fergy does not go down...season would be over.

[baj1dallas]

do you think they signed Jason Ferguson for?

[Clove]

Who ever suggest Pepper Johnson and Ratliff our 3-4 NTs, I have to say that they are much to small to play that position. If you ask me, I've always thought that Parcells made Ferguson lose way too much weight.

If you are concerned about conditioning, then get 2 or 3 fat NTs, and rotate them on every other play. But HUGE is the key at the NT position in the 3-4. Just ask the number 1 defense in stopping the run, San Diego chargers.

[trueblue1687]

Nope...I've played as well...you under estimate the NT!

With out two legit cloggers your LB's can not roam...the sepnd their time fighting OG's....

In your defense I sure hope Fergy does not go down...season would be over.

I think something that YOU are missing is that Dallas doesn't play 3-4 exclusively...at least not yet. Their defense is/has been sort of a hybrid that may be somewhat of a harbinger of schemes to come for others as well. It's hard enough to game plan versus one style of defense, let alone two (more with nickel/dime packages). I don't think the guy is underestimating the NT slot, just saying that it'll probably be a day 2 thing. Incidentally, I don't know of ANY DLineman that plays every snap, so rotation is a given in any system, but true enough it is the standard in Dallas.

[slick325]

Nope...I've played as well...you under estimate the NT!

With out two legit cloggers your LB's can not roam...the sepnd their time fighting OG's....

In your defense I sure hope Fergy does not go down...season would be over.

Portland, I agree that the position is important and also hope that Fergy doesn't go down. Just because Dallas gets a NT on the second day doesn't mean he is not capable of starting in this league. Jim Burt was undrafted in 1981 and was solid for the Giants making the Pro Bowl once in 1986. Jason Ferguson was a late round draft pick by the Jets in 1997 and has been a solid starter since even getting a big payday out of our beloved franchise. Those are two examples of Coach Parcells NT's that were/are standouts and were not 1st day picks. I trust Parcells judgment in picking a solid performer at that position on Day 2 of the draft. Look at his track record. I think he knows his system better than both of us.

Another example of a 2nd day pick being pretty good is Leon Lett from tiny Emphoria St. DT's can be had anywhere in the draft.

[DBoys]

I could be wrong but I thought that Willie was Allocated to NFLE by the Boys and tore his Achilles. I don't believe that he was cut but I was wrong once before so any thing is possible I guess.:D

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5541/transactions.html

[DBoys]

Who ever suggest Pepper Johnson and Ratliff our 3-4 NTs, I have to say that they are much to small to play that position. If you ask me, I've always thought that Parcells made Ferguson lose way too much weight.

If you are concerned about conditioning, then get 2 or 3 fat NTs, and rotate them on every other play. But HUGE is the key at the NT position in the 3-4. Just ask the number 1 defense in stopping the run, San Diego chargers.

You mean like Glover hehe Spears can rotate in as well NT is not a need we have quite a bit of depth there.

[Portland Fanatic]

Portland, I agree that the position is important and also hope that Fergy doesn't go down. Just because Dallas gets a NT on the second day doesn't mean he is not capable of starting in this league. Jim Burt was undrafted in 1981 and was solid for the Giants making the Pro Bowl once in 1986. Jason Ferguson was a late round draft pick by the Jets in 1997 and has been a solid starter since even getting a big payday out of our beloved franchise. Those are two examples of Coach Parcells NT's that were/are standouts and were not 1st day picks. I trust Parcells judgment in picking a solid performer at that position on Day 2 of the draft. Look at his track record. I think he knows his system better than both of us.

Another example of a 2nd day pick being pretty good is Leon Lett from tiny Emphoria St. DT's can be had anywhere in the draft.

I think where I'm coming from is that I don't think there are many legit NT's in this years draft. BP does have a nice history of landing NT's in lower rounds...Fergy is the perfect example. This year...there are not many to choose from beyond Ngata and Watson...there are other names being thrown around like Fifita...etc. I've wathced him play...nothing to get excited about.

I think enough about the position to want Watson or Ngata...Fergy is good, but not a dominant NT. IF we get a dominant NT...the LB's can be outstanding on this team...JMO.

[Portland Fanatic]

I think something that YOU are missing is that Dallas doesn't play 3-4 exclusively...at least not yet. Their defense is/has been sort of a hybrid that may be somewhat of a harbinger of schemes to come for others as well. It's hard enough to game plan versus one style of defense, let alone two (more with nickel/dime packages). I don't think the guy is underestimating the NT slot, just saying that it'll probably be a day 2 thing. Incidentally, I don't know of ANY DLineman that plays every snap, so rotation is a given in any system, but true enough it is the standard in Dallas.

I understand this fully...thus the reason Ellis is still here. Not only that...it's called a nickle defense.

It would be stupid to run 3-4 100%...we'd not be succesful if we did that. However in each defense you need a NT type. In the 4-3...you need a ST that takes on two blockers to give your DE's one on one...

More importantly in the 3-4...you need a rotation at NT...ever tries to take on two olineman for 30+ plays a game...must have TWO!

Fouth and one...put two NT hands down in the middle....you must have two legit NT's in this style defense...period!

[skinsscalper]

Just because Fegry is starting won't preclude us from taking a NT early. Fergy is no spring chicken and you build championship teams with quality youth and depth. The youth issue is self explanatory, but I would love to see a 5-7th rounder legitimately beat Fergy out for the position, eventually. I say legitimately inferring that the kid just ends up better, not from Fergy taking a major plunge. It would be nice to plug that hole with low round contract.

SS

[Hoov]

Nope...I've played as well...you under estimate the NT!

With out two legit cloggers your LB's can not roam...the sepnd their time fighting OG's....

In your defense I sure hope Fergy does not go down...season would be over.

well i've played starting wr on my flag football team for 3 years in a row now and let me tell the both of you how the 3-4 defense really works !!!!!


:p:

[ddh33]

I don't think Gabe Watson should be written off just yet. Dallas spent a lot of time with him. He could be a monster, if motivated.

[Portland Fanatic]

well i've played starting wr on my flag football team for 3 years in a row now and let me tell the both of you how the 3-4 defense really works !!!!!


:p:

Yeah...well my dad is bigger then your dad... :p:

[trueblue1687]

I understand this fully...thus the reason Ellis is still here. Not only that...it's called a nickle defense.

It would be stupid to run 3-4 100%...we'd not be succesful if we did that. However in each defense you need a NT type. In the 4-3...you need a ST that takes on two blockers to give your DE's one on one...

More importantly in the 3-4...you need a rotation at NT...ever tries to take on two olineman for 30+ plays a game...must have TWO!

Fouth and one...put two NT hands down in the middle....you must have two legit NT's in this style defense...period!

Our 4-3 package is not our nickle. Two different animals. They are/were used interchangibly on more than passing/third downs.
I really don't get why you are saying what I've bolded anyway. I know what a nickel PACKAGE is.