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texastwister
03-22-2006, 01:48 PM
Gil Brandt says Vince ran a 4.57 at proday. If anyone cares
CrazyCowboy
03-22-2006, 01:48 PM
I really thought he was faster then that..........am I the only one?
royhitshard
03-22-2006, 01:50 PM
I really thought he was faster then that..........am I the only one?
I heard that as well on ESPN raido on the Dan Patrick show. I thought he was faster than that myself.
jman
03-22-2006, 01:50 PM
I really thought he was faster then that..........am I the only one?

I'm with you...I though he was much faster.
trickblue
03-22-2006, 01:50 PM
Do you guys think his draft position will be lower or higher than his Wonderlic score... :D
the kid 05
03-22-2006, 01:51 PM
i think he ran like a 4.47 before the ncaa season
texastwister
03-22-2006, 01:52 PM
Gil said VY did run slower than expected. He has only run as of now
InmanRoshi
03-22-2006, 01:53 PM
He ran about what I expected. He's not a burner like Vick. He's elusive and very hard to bring down one on one because of his size (for college defenders anyway).
Cbz40
03-22-2006, 01:54 PM
Don Schula, on the Dan Patric Show, said if he were the Texans he He would make VY the first pick in the draft.

Mr Schula seems to think Young has proven he can get the job (winning)done at the college level and should be a fine QB in the NFL.

Schula just happens to head the list for wins as a NFL Coach.
Skip
03-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Must have been something up with that, he's faster.
Yeagermeister
03-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Do you guys think his draft position will be lower or higher than his Wonderlic score... :D

Ouch

He'll be here all week....tip your waitress and try the veal :D
trickblue
03-22-2006, 01:56 PM
Ouch

He'll be here all week....tip your waitress and try the veal :D

oopss... sorry... forgot the ... :D
BlueStar22
03-22-2006, 02:00 PM
Ed Werder was on Dan Patrick and said VY ran anywhere between 4.49 and 4.5.
dbair1967
03-22-2006, 02:01 PM
honestly who cares how fast he is? he's a QB...the main thing a QB is SUPPOSED to do is read the defense and make all the throws...if he can then scramble, thats great...that said, 4.57 with his size isnt bad, he's a long strider and can clear alot of ground

but he's the bust of the century if he's a top-10 pick IMO, at the very least he's a 2-3 yr project...guy's best plays are all running plays, and that isnt a positive if you are to be a QB....he should have stayed in school

David
Hostile
03-22-2006, 02:02 PM
Do you guys think his draft position will be lower or higher than his Wonderlic score... :

Vince Young >>> :spanking: <<< Trickblue
Danny White
03-22-2006, 02:03 PM
How did he throw?
neosapien23
03-22-2006, 02:04 PM
Does anyone think Cutler will go before Young in this draft?
dbair1967
03-22-2006, 02:05 PM
How did he throw?

thats the key question...nobody ever talks about it, they are all enamored with these Michael Vick scrambles and think thats the key to winning football, when its been proven its not

David
dbair1967
03-22-2006, 02:06 PM
Does anyone think Cutler will go before Young in this draft?

yeah, I do...I'll bet on it

David
SpursFanFoLife
03-22-2006, 02:06 PM
honestly who cares how fast he is? he's a QB...the main thing a QB is SUPPOSED to do is read the defense and make all the throws...if he can then scramble, thats great...that said, 4.57 with his size isnt bad, he's a long strider and can clear alot of ground

but he's the bust of the century if he's a top-10 pick IMO, at the very least he's a 2-3 yr project...guy's best plays are all running plays, and that isnt a positive if you are to be a QB....he should have stayed in school

David

...guess you didnt watch his game winning TD pass against Ohio Sate
dbair1967
03-22-2006, 02:08 PM
...guess you didnt watch his game winning TD pass against Ohio Sate

yeah I did actually...whooppee...one pass

David
neosapien23
03-22-2006, 02:09 PM
yeah, I do...I'll bet on it

David

I will too. I bet my older brother 40 bucks that Cutler would go first. I already won forty from him by betting that TO would be a Cowboy.
Danny White
03-22-2006, 02:10 PM
thats the key question...nobody ever talks about it, they are all enamored with these Michael Vick scrambles and think thats the key to winning football, when its been proven its not

David
Yep... it's obvious the guy can make plays with his feet... I don't think a few tenths of a second on his 40 time will make anyone doubt that.

But his feet are only a small part of what will ultimately determine his success or failure in the NFL.
texastwister
03-22-2006, 02:15 PM
No he has not thrown yet. Brandt said he hurt himself by not running on the turf at Indy.
dbair1967
03-22-2006, 02:18 PM
No he has not thrown yet. Brandt said he hurt himself by not running on the turf at Indy.

hurt himself more by not doing QUARTERBACK drills then...too many questions remain about his ability to play in a drop back offense, make quick reads, read the whole field, make all the throws etc etc

David
lkelly
03-22-2006, 02:21 PM
I'm not that shocked at the time, only because VY doesn't look like he would have a great start to the 40. He isn't going to explode off the line, and that makes a big difference in your time. Once he's up to speed, however, he covers ground very quickly. With that long stride, he'd be a better 100M guy because he could make up for the slow start.

Any team that drafts a QB based on the 40 has its priorities way out of whack.
Avery
03-22-2006, 02:22 PM
I'm not worried about his speed. I saw that for myself against USC.

Scouts are determining his position by his QB skills and not his 40. That will be the ultimate test of where he goes.
1Ware1
03-22-2006, 02:27 PM
Maybe Young's tanking his times so he can drop to number 18 and put the star on his helmet
joseephuss
03-22-2006, 02:38 PM
Ed Werder was on the Dan Patrick Show at about 1:30 CST. At that time Young had not thrown yet, but he was going to start throwing the ball shortly. Werder also said that Young was not scheduled to run today and apparantly that ticked off some teams. So he and his managament team decided to have him run. Werder also said that all teams were represented except for the Raiders. I may have heard that last part wrong since I am working right now.

I didn't realize that Young was working with Jerry Rhome on his passing skills and that Rhome was running the pro day for Vince. That pretty much means that Young is screwed. Rhome sucked as a QB in the NFL and sucked as a QB coach/offensive coordinator in the NFL. The worse hire by Jimmy Johnson. Even worse than Shula.

Young's 40 time doesn't surprise me, nor do I think it matters. His talent isn't pure speed. It is body control and strength as far as running. The passing portion will say more than anything else.
calico
03-22-2006, 02:44 PM
:rolleyes:
wick
03-22-2006, 03:08 PM
Dbair thought Alan Campos was clearly better than Dexter Coakley, so take his scouting thoughts with a grain of salt.
texastwister
03-22-2006, 03:17 PM
www.nfl.com/draft/analysis#texas

TEXAS: MARCH 22
Texas' Pro Day got under way with 31 teams in attendance, including over 150 coaches, general managers and scouts. Among the team personnel in attendance were three key members of the Texans (owner Bob McNair, head coach Gary Kubiak and GM Charley Casserly), Green Bay head coach Mike McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson, Dolphins head coach Nick Saban and general manager Randy Mueller, Titans general manager Floyd Reese and offensive coordinator Norm Chow, Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, Ravens quarterbacks coach Rick Neuheisel, and Cowboys new quarterbacks coach Chris Palmer. Titans head coach Jeff Fisher will visit Texas tonight and Tennessee will have a private workout with Vince Young Thursday morning.

After the workout is over in the bubble, Vince Young will go into the main meeting room with Texas offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Greg Davis for a Chalkboard Session, where team representatives get the chance to ask Young questions about his on-field decision-making in different situations.

The main event started at 3:15 p.m. ET -- Young throwing. He started off 7 out of 7.
Player Position Gil's comments
Vince Young QB Young (6-4 5/8, 22 ran the 40 once in 4.57. He didn't do the vertical or long jumps.
Will Allen G Allen (6-4 7/8, 306) measured 26½ inches in the vertical jump.
Brian Carter WR Carter (5-10 5/8, 185) had a 38-inch vertical jump.
Larry Dibbles DT Dibbles (6-1 3/8, 290) had a 27½-inch vertical jump.
Cedric Griffin DB Griffin (6-0 3/8, 202) had a 35-inch vertical jump.
Ahmard Hall RB Hall (5-10¾, 232) was clocked at 4.56 and 4.49 in the 40 and had a 35-inch vertical jump.
Aaron Harris LB Harris (5-11 3/8, 225) had a 27½-inch vertical jump.
Michael Huff DB Huff (5-11 7/8, 19 stood on his Combine numbers. Had a 3.96 and 4.05 in the short shuttle, and 6.68 and 6.74 three-cone drill.
Jonathan Scott OL Scott (6-6, 322) has an arm length of 33 7/8 inches and a hand size of 10 inches.
Rack Bauer
03-22-2006, 03:34 PM
He ran about what I expected. He's not a burner like Vick. He's elusive and very hard to bring down one on one because of his size (for college defenders anyway).


Exactly. Don't know why people thought he was faster. He's never looked very fast to me. Just very elusive and powerful, like you said.
jbsg02
03-22-2006, 03:48 PM
seems like he plays faster than that, he seems to outrun most defenses
btcutter
03-22-2006, 04:09 PM
I really thought he was faster then that..........am I the only one?

does it really matter that a QB runs any faster than that? he's plenty fast (faster then Emmitt), strong and elusive enough. Just hope he's accurate enough for someone to fall in love with him.

I hope it elevates his stock so someone else drops to us.
speedkilz88
03-22-2006, 04:23 PM
For what its worth. Sean Salisbury was just on 103.3 and said V. Young just had an outstanding workout(threw the ball amazingly well-all the passes and the ball exploded off his hands most of the time) and he thinks a team would be stupid to not pick him in the top five if they need a qb. Supposedly he was skeptical of V. Young before this workout.
joseephuss
03-22-2006, 04:36 PM
I wonder why Rodrigue Wright didn't work out today.