Do the Cowboys Need a Backup QB?

[Phoenix-Talon]

Haven't heard too much about it, But if (and I truly hope it doesn't) Bledsoe goes down, who will step in at the helm?

Bledsoe was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005. This could be a breakout year; especially with TO and hopefully Glenn (holdout?).

Would you consider McMahon as a possible fit if the opportunity presented itself?

[NorTex]

Bledsoe doesn't go down...he is a rock.

Romo is better than McMahon.

I think Henson is even better than McMahon.

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

No they have three of them now under contract. So we should be set there, now a starter would be nice.

[Novacek84]

McMahon signed a 2-year deal with Minnesota according to the crawl on ESPN

[AmishCowboy]

We may target Whitehurst from Clemson in the draft, but I don't see any Vet QB's I think we would be interested in. BTW, Garcia is a nice backup for the Eagles.

[cleverusername]

I think its time to see what Romo can do. He's really come along, and plus I like the way Parcells says R..O.....M..O.

[Phoenix-Talon]

McMahon signed a 2-year deal with Minnesota according to the crawl on ESPN

That should prove to be an interesting situation. WHo is your #2 ...#3 QB ?

[DWAREZ]

Haven't heard too much about it, But if (and I truly hope it doesn't) Bledsoe goes down, who will step in at the helm?

Bledsoe was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005. This could be a breakout year; especially with TO and hopefully Glenn (holdout?).

Would you consider McMahon as a possible fit if the opportunity presented itself?

Glenn stated he would not holdout..just asking for a little more chedda.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Glenn stated he would not holdout..just asking for a little more chedda.

That's good -- holdouts are not team productive mechanisms.

[acheman]

Do the Eagles need a #1 WR? Do they need a #2 WR to go along with a #1? I am still not sold that they have a #1 QB.

[Danny White]

Yes... we need a good back up QB.

So, no... we have no interest in McMahon.

[1fisher]

Glenn stated he would not holdout..just asking for a little more chedda.

chedda is betta......:D

[elcocinero]

How about Reggie McNeal? 4.38 40, Good Wonderlic score, plus i thought he was underrated with a terrible Texas A&M team. Maybe a good 3rd or 4th rounder?

[cleverusername]

How about Reggie McNeal? 4.38 40, Good Wonderlic score, plus i thought he was underrated with a terrible Texas A&M team. Maybe a good 3rd or 4th rounder?


:hammer:

[acheman]

How about Reggie McNeal? 4.38 40, Good Wonderlic score, plus i thought he was underrated with a terrible Texas A&M team. Maybe a good 3rd or 4th rounder?
:laugh2: :bang2: :banghead: :mad: :eek: :confused: :rolleyes: :laugh1:

[elcocinero]

How about Reggie McNeal? 4.38 40, Good Wonderlic score, plus i thought he was underrated with a terrible Texas A&M team. Maybe a good 3rd or 4th rounder?
:laugh2: :bang2: :banghead: :mad: :eek: :confused: :rolleyes: :laugh1:
You find that funny? Personally i thought he was a better looking quarterback prospect than Vince, and I am a Texas fan.

[acheman]

To each their own. I find it funny/frustrating that anyone even wants another QB on this roster when two of the three we already have have never been given a REAL chance to show anything let alone enough time to develop.

[Danny White]

To each their own. I find it funny/frustrating that anyone even wants another QB on this roster when two of the three we already have have never been given a REAL chance to show anything let alone enough time to develop.
I think McNeal has potential, but I agree with you as well.

One backup slot to a QB who can step in and play if needed. A second slot to a developmental guy.

We're a little heavy on the developmental side and a little thin on the guys capable of playing.

[cleverusername]

To each their own. I find it funny/frustrating that anyone even wants another QB on this roster when two of the three we already have have never been given a REAL chance to show anything let alone enough time to develop.


I' m all for Romo, but if Henson sucks it up in Europe, ( ive got a feeling he will). Do you think we keep him on the roster? I understand your point though, I guess people just want to see the next franchise quarterback. Bledsoe is good but he won't last forever. it's something to think about.

[acheman]

Regarding Henosn: I've got a feeling he won't.

[cleverusername]

Regarding Henosn: I've got a feeling he won't.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the guy, and hope he succeeds. I just don't know how much time we're willing to give him. I think when you get sent to europe, the next step is the door.

[Dale]

I do think we need a backup quarterback. Frankly, we're lacking depth at a number of key positions -- nose tackle, o-line, and even wide receiver IMO.

Parcells has been very complimentary of Romo, though, so who knows...in his mind, we may have a good backup quarterback.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You find that funny? Personally i thought he was a better looking quarterback prospect than Vince, and I am a Texas fan.

Personally, I do find this funny. I think the best thing that can happen to McNeal is that he gets with a good WR coach in the NFL. JMO of course.

To answer the original question, No on McMahon but yes I do think we need a number two QB. I think that either Henson or Romo have to go this year, just depending on which one can win out and I think we need to find and exeperienced QB to bring in. Bledsoe is durable but if anybody is counting, we've gone a good 4 full seasons with no injuries to the QB. That's a pretty good stretch IMO. Would hate to see us play well enough to be in it and then suffer a key injury at QB next year. Can Romo do it? Who can say, he's never seen the field so the question is pretty much irrelivant IMO. Parcells or who ever may believe he can but the truth is that nobody knows for sure. Not Parcells or the OC or the QB coach, nobody. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a reasonable contract worked out with Harrington. I wouldn't break the bank on the guy but if something could be worked out, I would like that move.

[DallasCowpoke111]

How about Reggie McNeal? 4.38 40, Good Wonderlic score, plus i thought he was underrated with a terrible Texas A&M team. Maybe a good 3rd or 4th rounder?

I'll say it again..... Reggie McNeal will be an UDF come about 5:00 4/30.

[Justis]

Bledsoe has only once had a serious injury, since then he's been as dependable as any player in the league. It would be moot trying to find an adequate replacement because he's technically the most important part of this offense. Losing him would be much like when the Rams lost Bulger.

[CowboyChris]

we absolutely need a vet backup QB, but not McMahon, im still pulling for Collins.

[kartr]

We may target Whitehurst from Clemson in the draft, but I don't see any Vet QB's I think we would be interested in. BTW, Garcia is a nice backup for the Eagles.

Whitehurst = career backup like David Green. Played in a shotgun for the first 3 years of his career and underachieved. Vince won a National Championship playing in the shot gun. Jacobs played in the shot gun and had a 71-11 td to int ratio. That's pretty much a no-brainer as to the direction we should be going in.

[kartr]

To each their own. I find it funny/frustrating that anyone even wants another QB on this roster when two of the three we already have have never been given a REAL chance to show anything let alone enough time to develop.

We don't have a playoff qb on our roster and we only have one real qb period. It's either get a qb this year or no hope for the future.

[fortdick]

Haven't heard too much about it, But if (and I truly hope it doesn't) Bledsoe goes down, who will step in at the helm?

Why? Are the Iggles shopping McChunky all ready?

[kartr]

Regarding Henosn: I've got a feeling he won't.

The fact that he's even in NFL Europe after 2 years on the team should tell you that he ain't gonna make it. Romo doesn't need NFL Europe and he's undersized and played at a tiny school. The last NFL Europe qb we had bombed out here and in Chicago. They kept Kyle Orton over Hutch. Nuff said.:lmao2:

[kartr]

I do think we need a backup quarterback. Frankly, we're lacking depth at a number of key positions -- nose tackle, o-line, and even wide receiver IMO.

Parcells has been very complimentary of Romo, though, so who knows...in his mind, we may have a good backup quarterback.

We also need a pass rushing DT to replace Glover too.

[RealCowboyfan]

yeah a back-up to Tony Romo as Dallas Cowboys starter

[kartr]

Personally, I do find this funny. I think the best thing that can happen to McNeal is that he gets with a good WR coach in the NFL. JMO of course.

To answer the original question, No on McMahon but yes I do think we need a number two QB. I think that either Henson or Romo have to go this year, just depending on which one can win out and I think we need to find and exeperienced QB to bring in. Bledsoe is durable but if anybody is counting, we've gone a good 4 full seasons with no injuries to the QB. That's a pretty good stretch IMO. Would hate to see us play well enough to be in it and then suffer a key injury at QB next year. Can Romo do it? Who can say, he's never seen the field so the question is pretty much irrelivant IMO. Parcells or who ever may believe he can but the truth is that nobody knows for sure. Not Parcells or the OC or the QB coach, nobody. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a reasonable contract worked out with Harrington. I wouldn't break the bank on the guy but if something could be worked out, I would like that move.

Harrington, good grief, we'd be better off drafting McNeal. Harrington has no leadership skills, no arm strength, no mobility, little accuracy. At least McNeal has 3 of the 4 characteristics while Harrington is 0 for 4.

[Manster54]

Do the Eagles need a #1 WR? Do they need a #2 WR to go along with a #1? I am still not sold that they have a #1 QB.

:bow:

[kartr]

Bledsoe has only once had a serious injury, since then he's been as dependable as any player in the league. It would be moot trying to find an adequate replacement because he's technically the most important part of this offense. Losing him would be much like when the Rams lost Bulger.

And like Bulger, he turns the ball over too much, yet is much more experienced. That's a terrible combination.

[acheman]

"We also need a pass rushing DT to replace Glover too."

The fact that you are an idiot and did not get the memo that we are now a 3-4 Defense, with only a NT and two DE's, none of which are considered passrushing positions in the 3-4 tells me all I need to know about you.

[kartr]

we absolutely need a vet backup QB, but not McMahon, im still pulling for Collins.

Collins, he's stiff. He's like 6-17 in his last few games. Vinny won only 40% of his games, so Collins is like 30% and he's had Moss and Jerry Porter to throw to.

[Pooz]

Kerry Collins!

[dwmyers]

"We also need a pass rushing DT to replace Glover too."

The fact that you are an idiot and did not get the memo that we are now a 3-4 Defense, with only a NT and two DE's, none of which are considered passrushing positions in the 3-4 tells me all I need to know about you.

Uhm, Curly Culp. Let's spell the name, C-U-R-L-Y C-U-L-P. You're the damned wizard, can you tell me how many sacks he had as the nose tackle for the Houston Oilers? Actually, you can ask him yourself, if this anecdote is at all true:

Original url: http://buzzmodo.typepad.com/buzznovation/2005/03/in_the_cab_with.html


In the cab with Curly...

When I finished my meetings in Austin (stealth project…more to come!) My great and wonderful friend Jim called a cab for me. He told me a bit last night about the driver, i.e. Curly Culp. (Links to follow!) Curly was an all-pro lineman for the Kansas City Chiefs in the early 70’s, had been an All-American at Arizona State, and had won the NCAA heavyweight wrestling championship. Curly is about 6’1”, 300 pounds, and rock solid.
Curly was right on time, his cab sparkled it was so clean. When we shook hands, Curly’s massive hand reached out to me with just the right strength, and the smile and cordial greeting from Curly was just right.
On the way to the airport in Austin, Curly and I talked football. Curly knew or had played against the greats and the near greats. Talking with Curly was a pleasure. When I think of all the athletes that I have met, those with massive egos and those who are real people, Curly is the real deal!
Should you be heading to Austin, you can reach Curly at 512.789.7846 or cculp1@austin.rr.com (cculp1@austin.rr.com) . You won’t be disappointed!

[Phoenix-Talon]

Why? Are the Iggles shopping McChunky all ready?

Huh!?:confused:

[Phoenix-Talon]

Do the Eagles need a #1 WR? Do they need a #2 WR to go along with a #1? I am still not sold that they have a #1 QB.

...Operant word ..."healthy!"

[dwmyers]

Haven't heard too much about it, But if (and I truly hope it doesn't) Bledsoe goes down, who will step in at the helm?

Bledsoe was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005. This could be a breakout year; especially with TO and hopefully Glenn (holdout?).

Would you consider McMahon as a possible fit if the opportunity presented itself?

I'm sure you've been answered by a number of people. My take on it is that Romo is adequate as a backup and Bledsoe tends to be nearly indestructible as a quarterback. I think we're taken care of in that sense. I think the jury is still out on whether Henson is a worthwhile development project. If not, we probably should draft a candidate in the later rounds and see.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Harrington, good grief, we'd be better off drafting McNeal. Harrington has no leadership skills, no arm strength, no mobility, little accuracy. At least McNeal has 3 of the 4 characteristics while Harrington is 0 for 4.


No, I don't agree here Kartr. Harrington has, IMO, an adequate arm. Better then Leinart's IMO but not a big time arm. I also disagree with you on his mobility. He has decent feet and can throw on the move. He's not a running QB by any means but our offense really isn't designed around that anyway so it's not the big of a deal. His accuracy issues come from getting sacked a great deal, while in Detroit IMO. He's picked up some bad habbits but that's correctable. As for the leadership skills, I don't think you want a guy who is going to constintly challenge Bledsoe at this point. I think you want a guy who has NFL experience and someone who can step in and play for you if the starter is out for a few games. Lets face it, if you have to play your backup for any considerable length of time during a season, the chances are probably slim that your going to make the playoffs so the backup doesn't have to be a guy who has #1 starting skills in our situation. I see Harrington as the perfect backup if the money is right. JMO of course.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I'm sure you've been answered by a number of people. My take on it is that Romo is adequate as a backup and Bledsoe tends to be nearly indestructible as a quarterback. I think we're taken care of in that sense. I think the jury is still out on whether Henson is a worthwhile development project. If not, we probably should draft a candidate in the later rounds and see.

Another sensible response.

[Jersey]

Haven't heard too much about it, But if (and I truly hope it doesn't) Bledsoe goes down, who will step in at the helm?

Bledsoe was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005. This could be a breakout year; especially with TO and hopefully Glenn (holdout?).

Would you consider McMahon as a possible fit if the opportunity presented itself?

What you're REALLY asking is... How about McNabb for a 7th rounder. The answer is, and always will be, NOOOOOO. :lmao:

[Phoenix-Talon]

What you're REALLY asking is... How about McNabb for a 7th rounder. The answer is, and always will be, NOOOOOO. :lmao:

You must be talking about the rookie Jim McNabb:rolleyes:

[zrinkill]

You must be talking about the rookie Jim McNabb:rolleyes:

Prolly ....... Donovan wouldnt be worth a 7th. ;)

[Phoenix-Talon]

Prolly ....... Donovan wouldnt be worth a 7th. ;)

We'll keep him anyway!;)

[zrinkill]

You have too ............ he ran off your best player :lmao2:

[Phoenix-Talon]

You have too ............ he ran off your best player

You can keep that one!:rolleyes:

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Haven't heard too much about it, But if (and I truly hope it doesn't) Bledsoe goes down, who will step in at the helm?

Bledsoe was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005. This could be a breakout year; especially with TO and hopefully Glenn (holdout?).

Would you consider McMahon as a possible fit if the opportunity presented itself?

We have mcmahon on this roster already his name is Drew Henson....

Bledsoe looked good all season except for the debacle in washington when the entire TEAM failed to show up. This isn't a raw 2nd year player we are talking about here.....we're talking about a wily 14 year veteran who is hungry for a championship. He 'broke out' years ago, it's time for the Bledsoe renaissance period to reach it's pinnacle, and with TO and a healthy oline I have no doubt Drew will be in the running for an MVP award in 06! :bow:

[mr.jameswoods]

If I was Jerry, I would do whatever it took to trade up and acquire Matt Linart. He is the real deal. I haven't seen a college QB that looked as if he was made for the pro game. Everything from his release, arm strength, footwork, experience and composure looks very NFL-like. I haven't seen a college QB have every intagible like that. He is exactly the type of QB I would want to sit for this year and start next year. Bledsoe is not going to last much longer.

[acheman]

"Uhm, Curly Culp. Let's spell the name, C-U-R-L-Y C-U-L-P. You're the damned wizard, can you tell me how many sacks he had as the nose tackle for the Houston Oilers? Actually, you can ask him yourself, if this anecdote is at all true:"

Well I have never heard of him, and I never claimed to be a wizard, but I see you gave me one unheard of name out of all the NT's who have ever played in the 3-4 as a pass rushing specialist. Impressive. "Do the initals F.O. mean anything to you?"

[CowboyManDan]

We may target Whitehurst from Clemson in the draft, but I don't see any Vet QB's I think we would be interested in. BTW, Garcia is a nice backup for the Eagles.

I think Whitehurst or Brodie Croyle make sense to me this draft, if our first pick or two go well.

[ABQCOWBOY]

"Uhm, Curly Culp. Let's spell the name, C-U-R-L-Y C-U-L-P. You're the damned wizard, can you tell me how many sacks he had as the nose tackle for the Houston Oilers? Actually, you can ask him yourself, if this anecdote is at all true:"

Well I have never heard of him, and I never claimed to be a wizard, but I see you gave me one unheard of name out of all the NT's who have ever played in the 3-4 as a pass rushing specialist. Impressive. "Do the initals F.O. mean anything to you?"

Curly Culp is not unheard of if it is of any use to you. Culp was drafted by the Broncos, I believe, in the 2nd round in 1968. In 74, he went to the Houston Oilers (again, I believe) and played NT for them up into the 80s. Not certain exactly how long. Either way, many consider him the first real NT and the one who was the sort of Blue Print, if you will, for the modern NT position.

As an FYI only.

[acheman]

Well I rescind my unheard of remark about Culp then, why this guy had to join a convo I was having with kartr and be such a jerk about it I have no idea.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Don't know about all the rest, just wanted to pass on what little I know about Culp.

I was a fan of Earl Campbell and Houston in the early days so I kinda watched them a lot when I was younger.

;)

[Yakuza Rich]

Bledsoe is very durable, which is good. And I believe if the O-Line stays healthy, Parcells is the type of coach who puts a premium on protecting the QB.

I do think they need a backup. I'm not sold on Romo. He seems to be a touch shorter than you'd like for a pocket passer and while he's pretty good at shifting his feet to find passing lanes, he's only got okay arm strength. That causes for the ball to arrive a tad bit later to the receiver than what is needed.

Rich...........

[BLEU3ASY]

yes the do

[Bob Sacamano]

1. Terry Glenn isn't going to holdout, and 2. we already have 2 backup QBs

[Bob Sacamano]

I think McNeal has potential, but I agree with you as well.

One backup slot to a QB who can step in and play if needed. A second slot to a developmental guy.

We're a little heavy on the developmental side and a little thin on the guys capable of playing.

who's to say McNeal is capable of playing, or any QB we should draft? or are you saying we should go the vet QB route?

I don't think it's a possibility with the contract we gave Romo, don't want to take a cap charge for someone not on the team if we don't need to, and Drew Henson is our development guy, actually both, and the coaching staff seems to want to develop both guys, so again, I don't see us making a move at Qb

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=Bledsoe4MVP]We have mcmahon on this roster already his name is Drew Henson....

No disrespect B4MVP, but wile Bledsoe is a fine QB, but he doesn't compare (no Cowboy QB compares), to Troy Aikman. Now that was a qualIty QB, dangerously good! Take it for what it's worth; but it's this Eagle Fan's perspective.

[acheman]

"while Bledsoe is a fine QB, but he doesn't compare (no Cowboy QB compares), to Troy Aikman. Now that was a qualIty QB, dangerously good!"

Now that is the first sensible thing I have seen you post in this thread.;)
I agree.

[danny0812]

Bledsoe took a beating in Buffalo before coming here and has started every game for the last 4 years. This guy isnt going down unless there is some serious hit on him. now with that being said. lets not even bring the nfl europe debate into it because anyone remember tommy maddox as nfl europe mvp? would ya wanna sign maddox? i wouldnt sign him to sell used cars. Romo can do enough to win games if need be. TO will make this offense ready for any QB in the short term. Now as far as if its a long term issue i think Jerry would have to do some shopping and find a free agent to come in. Now as far as collins i do remember when he started in carolina they compared him to Aikman. Boy were they ever wrong. And for the running QB ill state it like bledsoe did. When on of those running QBs wins the super bowl then it will give it will give them more credibility. Mcneal and Young will both end up like quincy IMO.

[felix360]

That's good -- holdouts are not team productive mechanisms.

no kidding, we alreay have one bad team productvie mechanism, they call it the T.O.

[acheman]

"anyone remember tommy maddox as nfl europe mvp?"

No, but I remember Tommy Maddox as XFL MVP.:D

[danny0812]

my bad i blinked my eyes and forgot about XFL.

[rdsknsbaby]

with bledsoes age i hope you guys do... hes legs arent the same anymore.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

with bledsoes age i hope you guys do... hes legs arent the same anymore.

Your QB will be 37 years old in october, Bledsoe just turned 34....you do realize that right? Plus he has a track record of injuries.....think about that before you worry about our QB. :cool:

[rdsknsbaby]

Your QB will be 37 years old in october, Bledsoe just turned 34....you do realize that right? Plus he has a track record of injuries.....think about that before you worry about our QB. :cool:

but the thing is.... we do have a backup. you dont.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

but the thing is.... we do have a backup. you dont.

Todd Collins? A former 2nd round bust from Buffalo that was supposed to replace Jim Kelly but spent the last 10 years on the bench in KC? Um Ok....

Also I'm sure we aren't done addressing this teams needs.....I don't argue wiht your statement in theory, no way I want to rely on Henson or Romo to step in and lead this team for an extended period of time.....but I'm sure JJ and Parcells will address this situation one way or the other.

Also Bledsoe is a warrrior, the only time he missed games was in 2001 when he had that freak injury that paved the way for Tom Brady. In 1998 he played with a pin in his finger and led the pats to the playoffs despite excrutiating pain. :bow:

[rdsknsbaby]

Todd Collins? A former 2nd round bust from Buffalo that was supposed to replace Jim Kelly but spent the last 10 years on the bench in KC? Um Ok....

Also I'm sure we aren't done addressing this teams needs.....I don't argue wiht your statement in theory, no way I want to rely on Henson or Romo to step in and lead this team for an extended period of time.....but I'm sure JJ and Parcells will address this situation one way or the other.

Also Bledsoe is a warrrior, the only time he missed games was in 2001 when he had that freak injury that paved the way for Tom Brady. In 1998 he played with a pin in his finger and led the pats to the playoffs despite excrutiating pain. :bow:

we also have campbell and lets hope that he is something in this league.

[Kilyin]

Bledsoe was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005.


Didn't read the whole thread yet, this might have been said already but...

I want you to explain to me what rationale you're using to surmise that Bledsoe "was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005"? Apparently I forgot to wear the prerequisite special goggles necessary to witness this phenomenon taking place, because the Bledsoe I watched faded down the stretch, like he usually does.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=Kilyin]I want you to explain to me what rationale you're using to surmise that Bledsoe "was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005"?

I guess I have the advantage of having seen Bledsoe from a different perspective. I saw a healthy QB; not injured needing surgery. I saw a Qb that should have lead their team Into the playoffs; if they had a good kicker and OL protection. I don't kow, I guess you could say I'm defending my position, but objectively, it seemed as though the effort was too little, too late toward the end of the regular season.

That's it, if you're not buying that, I've got nothing else to support what the rationale.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Didn't read the whole thread yet, this might have been said already but...

I want you to explain to me what rationale you're using to surmise that Bledsoe "was starting to look real good toward the second half of 2005"? Apparently I forgot to wear the prerequisite special goggles necessary to witness this phenomenon taking place, because the Bledsoe I watched faded down the stretch, like he usually does.

Perhaps you missed the KC and Carolina games? :cool: