Which NFC East Opponent should we worry about?

[t.o.boys81]

Who's gonna give us the most trouble for the NFC East division title.

[NovaCowboy]

The Dallas Cowboys

[t.o.boys81]

Who will give us the most trouble?

[EastDallasCowboy]

The Giants.

I have a feeling they're going to be very, very good as well.

[zrinkill]

Cowboy Trolls

;)

[Galian Beast]

I'd say the Redskins

[CowboysNumeroUno]

all of the above

[silver]

The redskins.

the have a very good defense
clinton portis
santana moss
they swept us last year.
they hate us more than we hate them


the giants are a close second. the beagles...nah

[Cbz40]

with the improvements to their O and an already steller D.....I say the Skins.

Dallas
Skins
NY Giants
Philly

[Tricked]

i said giants for the fact that they're the defending NFCE champion.. but i could make a strong case for the eagles..

just because they had an off year with many injuries doesn't mean they've dropped completely off.. you don't go from completely dominating the NFCE (quite possibly the NFC) for how many years to nothing overnight

[Galian Beast]

The Skins swept us, but we were playing with a very broken team at the time of the second game. And despite losing, we dominated them in the first game. We simply had our way with them. It would have been considered rape in 17 states.

Our defense (especially last year) really hinged on key players actually being healthy. Combine that with our offenses inability to perform in the second game... and you see why we lost so badly.

the very fact that we have t.o. this year changes this in my mind.

The only team that even neutralized T.O. last year was us. And that was with a broken McNabb... He had over 50 yards receiving in every game he played OR at least one touchdown.

Owens never played Washington last year, and they beat Philly by 7 points the first time they played each other. T.O. would have made the difference. The second game was also by 9 points... He would have made the difference.

Despite how poor the Eagles were last year, they would have made the playoffs with T.O. Other than the game against Seattle they were pretty much in every game. Only lost by more than 10 points twice (seattle and washington).

[Cbz40]

Every team in our division....Redskins will be tough.

[Bizwah]

The Skins swept us, but we were playing with a very broken team at the time of the second game. And despite losing, we dominated them in the first game. We simply had our way with them. It would have been considered rape in 17 states.

Our defense (especially last year) really hinged on key players actually being healthy. Combine that with our offenses inability to perform in the second game... and you see why we lost so badly.

the very fact that we have t.o. this year changes this in my mind.

The only team that even neutralized T.O. last year was us. And that was with a broken McNabb... He had over 50 yards receiving in every game he played OR at least one touchdown.

Owens never played Washington last year, and they beat Philly by 7 points the first time they played each other. T.O. would have made the difference. The second game was also by 9 points... He would have made the difference.

Despite how poor the Eagles were last year, they would have made the playoffs with T.O. Other than the game against Seattle they were pretty much in every game. Only lost by more than 10 points twice (seattle and washington).

Didn't we beat Philly 33-10?

Anyway, I think Philly may surprise people.

They're going to have a lot of pride....I think we get their best game.

[The30YardSlant]

The Giants, despite what the pundits say, Eli will be a very good QB in this league. If they sign Keyshawn, they are the favorite in the division.

The Redskins have improved, but time has shown that buying a team almost never works.

The Eagles dont worry me. No WRs, no true RB, offensive line problems, defensive line problems, LB problems, and McChunky chokes.

[silver]

Didn't we beat Philly 33-10?

Anyway, I think Philly may surprise people.

They're going to have a lot of pride....I think we get their best game.
i disagree, with all due respect of course. i trully believe their window of opportunity has finnally shut. think cowboys during campo's regime.

[Hostile]

None of the 3 division rivals are going to be easy games. They're not going to roll over. It is the toughest division in the NFL. From the coaches, to the owners, to the front offices, to the players, there is something about each team in the division which makes it a possible winner.

I fear the Eagles more than the other 2 because they have the best QB and the most recent bragging rights against us. I will not say they're dead until I see a steady flat line.

Eli Manning takes some heat here, but he's only going to get better. They have solid pieces in place on both sides of the ball.

I think the manic spending of the Skins is funny and foolish, but I'm not dumb enough to think they're a mark.

[Yeagermeister]

All of them...like Hos said we can't take any team lightly.

[Gfunk]

lol @ the Eagles getting one vote

how quickly the mighty have fallen

[lspain1]

I think all of our division rivals are trouble. I think I would rather play all my games against the rest of the NFC rather than those three teams.

[Doomsday]

All of the above

[Manster54]

I think the Giants have as good skill players as anhyone in the conference. But Philly has good OL & slightly better than avg DL. ALL NFC East teams have very good defenses. It is anybody's division. It will come down to week 15 or 16 barring injuries.

[vicjagger]

All of them.

[NoCalMike]

TO never did much against the Skins as an Eagle or hell even as a 49er.

[BAZ]

I say the Skins.

The Eagles ( I reckon ) will have an awkward rebuilding year next season and will not be a pushover, but will struggle to find their identity.

The Giants have a good team and were better the Cowboys last year but still split the games and only won by one score in the second game which was a defensive TD.

The Skins do not have a better roster then the Cowboys at the moment & the draft is still left. Last year they looked like a joke until the last four minutes in the first game with us. Until then everybody questioned the coaching, the QB and the money they spent. After that game they seemed to get a kick start and it reinvigorated their season to the point where they made a playoff run. They are my biggest concern because the Skins were the only team that beat the Cowboys hands down (St.Louis doesn't count). That includes 6 games with playoff teams. In that game they were out-coached & out-played.

The Cowboys have had a hard time finishing the last few game the past three years and if they are to make it anywhere this season it has to change. I don't think the Skins will handle the Cowboys like they did in the second game this season but seeing as they were they only team to do it they would have to be the biggest concern.

[NoCalMike]

I am so tired of revisionist history about the 1st game between the Skins/Cowboys last season.

Neither team looked particularly good. It was basically a 6-0, defensive battle until the flea flicker in the 3rd quarter.

Yes Dallas looked like the better team for 3 Quarters, I am not arguing that, however they weren't exactly lighting the stat books on fire. There was nothing "impressive" about how the Cowboys looked, it just looked like one average team was beating another average team, and then well, the 4th quarter drama happened.

It's not like the Redskins haven't been in the same situation over the past 10 years, where they were one stupid Stephen Davis fumble or last second Patrick Crayton TD catch from winning the game.

[koolaid]

#1.The giants scare me because of their youth and obvious talent on O, along with that amazing D line.

#2. As much as i dont like to admit it, the skins are a good team and play their hardest against us. I dont think im the only one who wouldnt mind TO tearing them a new one next year.

#3 Iggles, not much to say that hasnt already been said, they were down last year but still have enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. We barely got out of there alive last season. Thanks roys

[BAZ]

I am so tired of revisionist history about the 1st game between the Skins/Cowboys last season.

Neither team looked particularly good. It was basically a 6-0, defensive battle until the flea flicker in the 3rd quarter.

Yes Dallas looked like the better team for 3 Quarters, I am not arguing that, however they weren't exactly lighting the stat books on fire. There was nothing "impressive" about how the Cowboys looked, it just looked like one average team was beating another average team, and then well, the 4th quarter drama happened.

It's not like the Redskins haven't been in the same situation over the past 10 years, where they were one stupid Stephen Davis fumble or last second Patrick Crayton TD catch from winning the game.

Believe what you want, I had American & English commentary to view and the game was written off by both till the last 4 minutes, as for the 10 past ten years, what does that have to do with anything?

I don't know why you are defending a game your team won. But the Skins looked lost on that day for a long time. Learn to be a gracious winner.

[dbair1967]

this team cant take any team for granted...all games will be tough

and if our OL isnt improved come September we wont be in the playoffs next yr either

if the OL is stronger (even overall "average") and the defense can close out games in the 4th qtr when we have leads (something they fail to do too much) then we will be in the playoffs next yr...might add in that nothing can happen to Bledsoe either, we have to have him for all 16 games

David

[big dog cowboy]

None of the above. We kick all their arses.

[rdsknsbaby]

its funny how you cowboy fans say that youre the best in the nfc east... just because you signed T.O??? C'mon lets be real here. you guys didnt make it to the playoffs... we did. we now have 3 good/legit WRs and a great RB. We have a aging QB but so do you. I find it funny that you automatically think my Skins will terrible this coming season... we will only get better. but so will you. so it is up for grabs... just respect us.... please.

[big dog cowboy]

just respect us.... please.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[tyke1doe]

Redskins.

It's not their talent so much as it's Joe Gibbs. He knows how to strategize and get the most out of his players.

[rdsknsbaby]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

ok you can go ahead and be imature but face the facts.

[SALADIN]

The Dallas Cowboys

You know what...the Cowboys should have been an option.

I can't think of any other team that was more responsible for the Cowboys missing the playoffs other than the Cowboys.

The Redskins late 4th quarter comeback

The loss to the Raiders

The last minute loss to Seattle

The loss in overtime to Denver

and the loss to the Giants, which I thought was the back breaker of the season, where the Cowboys had 3-4 possesions in the 4th qrtr, (I forget) had a chance to win an important game in the most crucial part of the season, late Nov & all of Dec.

The 2005 team was one game away from the playoffs and IMO there is no other team in the NFC East who has to take a long long in the mirror other than the Cowboys.

[big dog cowboy]

ok you can go ahead and be imature but face the facts.
You mean facts like this one......... :lombardi:

[stasheroo]

its funny how you cowboy fans say that youre the best in the nfc east... just because you signed T.O??? C'mon lets be real here. you guys didnt make it to the playoffs... we did. we now have 3 good/legit WRs and a great RB. We have a aging QB but so do you. I find it funny that you automatically think my Skins will terrible this coming season... we will only get better. but so will you. so it is up for grabs... just respect us.... please.

Sounds to me like your team is getting respect - in both the voting and the various posts.

I think both the Reskins and Giants will be tough.

In my opinion, the Eagles were never that good. Just the best of a mediocre NFC Conference for a few years. Now the rest of the NFC has caught up and they're back to being nobodies again.

Ask yourself this question:

Unlike the better NFC East teams of the past, who did the Eagles actually beat?

What quality team did the Eagles ever beat during their 4 year run atop the NFC East?

The answer? Nobody

:disseags:

[SkinsHokieFan]

How can you take any team in this division light?

I'll call it now, no team goes 5-1 in the division again next year

If McNabb and the Eagles are healthy they are very good

Dallas has a very good young D, and talented playmakers on offense (even if they are in their 30s)

The Giants have Eli, Plaxico, Shockey, and Tiki, who now that he stops fumbling is very good. They improved their secondary with some key signings

We have adressed weaknesses at WR, DE, and o-line depth and bring back 18 of 22 starters, and have an outstanding coaching staff

This is going to be an absolute knock down dog fight going to the last week of the season

Buckle up, it'll be fun

[NorTex]

It will come down to injuries, just like it did last year.

You can pretty much count on the skinnies not going 5-1 in the division, like they did last year. (Skinnies were very lucky last year...1st Dallas game, played Philly w/o Owens)

[BAZ]

its funny how you cowboy fans say that youre the best in the nfc east... just because you signed T.O???

That's a stupid thing to think, the Cowboys two biggest problems last year was O-line and a Kicker. The line has improved, how much is a different story if you browse this board for two minutes you will see there are questions on how much, but it is an improvement. As for the kicker if I have to explain that, well it's better I waste time trying to get my dog to say "ri rove rou".

The Cowboys have a lot of things in place and if you care to show what is lacking then it's worth listening to your arguement, but remember how far they finished behind the Skins and Giants before you write off the improvements they have made to be considered the best.

C'mon lets be real here. you guys didnt make it to the playoffs... we did. we now have 3 good/legit WRs and a great RB. We have a aging QB but so do you. I find it funny that you automatically think my Skins will terrible this coming season... we will only get better. but so will you. so it is up for grabs... just respect us.... please.


I have not seen where anybody has said the Skins will be terrible. And last time I checked they were winning this poll.

[Everlastingxxx]

Eagles - They have one last good year left in them. Big chip on their shoulders.

Giants - Please
Redskins - Are you kidding?

[SkinsHokieFan]

It will come down to injuries, just like it did last year.

You can pretty much count on the skinnies not going 5-1 in the division, like they did last year. (Skinnies were very lucky last year...1st Dallas game, played Philly w/o Owens)


As we all know in big time sports, sometimes its better to be lucky then good

I take breaks whenever you can ge them, however the first Dallas game was not luck, just finally exploiting a matchup advantage

[big dog cowboy]

How can you take any team in this division light?

I'll call it now, no team goes 5-1 in the division again next year

If McNabb and the Eagles are healthy they are very good

Dallas has a very good young D, and talented playmakers on offense (even if they are in their 30s)

The Giants have Eli, Plaxico, Shockey, and Tiki, who now that he stops fumbling is very good. They improved their secondary with some key signings

We have adressed weaknesses at WR, DE, and o-line depth and bring back 18 of 22 starters, and have an outstanding coaching staff

This is going to be an absolute knock down dog fight going to the last week of the season

Buckle up, it'll be fun
Yes it will. Good analysis.

[supafly]

i said giants for the fact that they're the defending NFCE champion..

Thanks to the extra 'home' game vs the laughable saints. please.

[rdsknsbaby]

Eagles - They have one last good year left in them. Big chip on their shoulders.

Giants - Please
Redskins - Are you kidding?

There you go BAZ

[Cbz40]

How can you take any team in this division light?

I'll call it now, no team goes 5-1 in the division again next year

If McNabb and the Eagles are healthy they are very good

Dallas has a very good young D, and talented playmakers on offense (even if they are in their 30s)

The Giants have Eli, Plaxico, Shockey, and Tiki, who now that he stops fumbling is very good. They improved their secondary with some key signings

We have adressed weaknesses at WR, DE, and o-line depth and bring back 18 of 22 starters, and have an outstanding coaching staff

This is going to be an absolute knock down dog fight going to the last week of the season

Buckle up, it'll be fun

The teams in the NFC East have been by far the most active in this free agency period. Who will the best at this pont is a toss of the coin. TO, if he toes the line could be the difference and make the Cowboys the team to beat. If the Eagles stay healthy and get some WR help they will be tough. The Giants as you said have improved their secondary and the Skins will have a lot more talent on offense along with a good defense. The battle in the NFCE will be the most fun to watch next season.

[BAZ]

There you go BAZ

One comment, and the poll still shows Skins, are you going to defend every comment from Skins fans on the board? I don't count "Please" & "Are you kidding?" as viable comments and neither should you.

[baj1dallas]

The Eagles dont worry me. No WRs,

I disagree with that. I think Reggie Brown was pretty impressive for a rookie and will be a solid NFL receiver.

[rdsknsbaby]

all i was trying to say was that the skins should get some sort of respect... we get trashed my the media and most nfl fans... you guys talk about the 2 new singings like there nothing... maybe we did over pay randel el, but that doesnt matter... he is a good football player. how much would you like to bet that if the Skins signed T.O we would be bashed up and down over here... you know its true.

[big dog cowboy]

all i was trying to say was that the skins should get some sort of respect... we get trashed my the media and most nfl fans...
And you think you will find it in here?

[Manster54]

all i was trying to say was that the skins should get some sort of respect... we get trashed my the media and most nfl fans... you guys talk about the 2 new singings like there nothing... maybe we did over pay randel el, but that doesnt matter... he is a good football player. how much would you like to bet that if the Skins signed T.O we would be bashed up and down over here... you know its true.

Since the Skins are the whipping boys for 10 years it is hard to give respect. Sweep the Boys another 5-6 years and then you can cry about respect.

[KobeEgan]

you don't go from completely dominating the NFCE (quite possibly the NFC) for how many years to nothing overnight

unless you let go of the best WR in the game and refuse to spend money on your players despite having $5734234 million in cap room

[JackMagist]

Who's gonna give us the most trouble for the NFC East division title.All of the above...this is getting to be a tough division again.

[BigDFan5]

maybe we did over pay randel el, but that doesnt matter... he is a good football player.


No he is a good kick returner, he is an average reciever

[apickmans]

No he is a good kick returner, he is an average reciever

No he is a good kick returner, above average slot receiver and will be used by saunders to create mismatches and in some trick plays. People seem to forget that Al Saunders is our Off. Coordinator now and in my opinion prob. the biggest signing we had in the off season.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Going with the team that spanked us the most last year.... them damn Skins.

We already had problems with them as is, and they have improved the most over the offseason. Gonna be a tough fight.

I can't wait until the game in Philly as well, I can smell their hatred for us already.

[jterrell]

No he is a good kick returner, above average slot receiver and will be used by saunders to create mismatches and in some trick plays. People seem to forget that Al Saunders is our Off. Coordinator now and in my opinion prob. the biggest signing we had in the off season.
so gibbs was an offensive idiot?
wasnt gibbs winning super bowls as an offenaice guru back when saunders was coaching wide receivers.

saunders was an ego buy for shorty.

[BigDFan5]

No he is a good kick returner, above average slot receiver and will be used by saunders to create mismatches and in some trick plays. People seem to forget that Al Saunders is our Off. Coordinator now and in my opinion prob. the biggest signing we had in the off season.


No he is a good kick returner and an average reciever. I love the constant talk about trick plays that occurs like 6 times a year .

[apickmans]

so gibbs was an offensive idiot?
wasnt gibbs winning super bowls as an offenaice guru back when saunders was coaching wide receivers.

saunders was an ego buy for shorty.

To answer your questions:

1) No, Gibbs was not an offensive idiot because, yes he did win 3 super bowls.
2) Saunders was coaching the Rams Receivers in the late 90s when they were the greatest show on turf.
3) You'd be stupid to think that the Al Saunders signing was a ego buy by Synder. Gibbs has said it publicly that he went out and went after Saunders because he believed it would help the team, you know since Saunders has done quite nicley for himself when he was the Off. Coordinator for the Chiefs, who have been known to score a few points here and there since he has been there.

[apickmans]

No he is a good kick returner and an average reciever. I love the constant talk about trick plays that occurs like 6 times a year .

Say what you want BigD....sure maybe randel el will only be involed in like 6 or 7 trick plays all year, but from what ive seen..his trick plays are game changing plays and if they are the reason the skins win a game...hey ill take it. The mere fact that teams will have to account for randel el for a lot of the game makes him more valuable than just some "average receiver" like you say he is.

[dbair1967]

its funny how you cowboy fans say that youre the best in the nfc east... just because you signed T.O??? C'mon lets be real here. you guys didnt make it to the playoffs... we did. we now have 3 good/legit WRs and a great RB. We have a aging QB but so do you. I find it funny that you automatically think my Skins will terrible this coming season... we will only get better. but so will you. so it is up for grabs... just respect us.... please.

I think you havent paid attention...nothing is a given with the Cowboys...we could be anywhere from 8-8 to 12-4 depending on how things work out...if something happened injury wise to Bledsoe, we'd be sunk in a heart beat

I still have serious worries about the OL, ability to consistently rush the passer and force turnovers, plus close games out in the 4th qtr when we have leads...and despite signing a probowl calibar kicker, I am worried his age and declining leg strength will be an issue, especially late in the season

David

[The Curly One]

The Eagles window of opportunity is SLAMMED shut. They were the leaders of the worst division in the league for 4 years. The NFC Least was so bad for a while the Eagles were almost guarenteed 6 wins before the season started becasuse the had to play 6 games in their division. Now TO has imploded them and the other teams in the NFC East have improved.
Count the Eagles out.
The Giants are decent team that is slowly improving.
Redskins were a surprise last year they did much better than I expected.

I see the NFC East getting more equal but I do not think anyone in the NFC East can go deep in the playoffs this year, none are that good.

The Cowboys? Who knows? We will be a better team until the TO implosion happens but nobody knows for sure when the ticking time bomb will blow.
Most important Jerry Jones seems to think that he only needed one player like TO to win the Super Bowl and I know we need much more than that. We will not win the big one this year as much as I would like that.
Our biggest problem for the last 5 years has been the offensive line and it is still a big question mark. Until you have a good performing offensive line you will not have a good performing QB. Simple as that and it has been proven right here in Dallas for the last 5 years or more. Curly

[morasp]

All of them.

[riggo]

The Skins swept us, but we were playing with a very broken team at the time of the second game. And despite losing, we dominated them in the first game. We simply had our way with them. It would have been considered rape in 17 states.

not that it matters either way, but dallas O managed to get into the end zone one time (it took a flea flicker). defensively, dallas was shutting the skins out, so you are corrrect there. but your O wasnt exactly 'having its way' with the skins D. again, not that it matters....

Our defense (especially last year) really hinged on key players actually being healthy. Combine that with our offenses inability to perform in the second game... and you see why we lost so badly.

i know flo was hurt all year. out of curiosity, who else was out that game?

The only team that even neutralized T.O. last year was us. And that was with a broken McNabb... He had over 50 yards receiving in every game he played OR at least one touchdown.

Owens never played Washington last year, and they beat Philly by 7 points the first time they played each other. T.O. would have made the difference. The second game was also by 9 points... He would have made the difference.

Despite how poor the Eagles were last year, they would have made the playoffs with T.O. Other than the game against Seattle they were pretty much in every game. Only lost by more than 10 points twice (seattle and washington).

skins fans brought up how TO has never had a big game vs them. it was dismissed, of course.

[Zaxor]

I really don't care what year it is or was...I always worried when we played some team in our division including the Cardinals when they were there...

I think any division game is BIG... and its not just the Cowboys or the NFC East..it is the same for every team

[SkinRamon]

I disagree with that. I think Reggie Brown was pretty impressive for a rookie and will be a solid NFL receiver.
Reggie Brown will be a star in this league. Unfortunately for the rest of us.

[ravidubey]

At this point before the draft and the rest of the offseason I've gotta go with Washington.

They went the furthest of the East teams last year as they have two solid OT's, Portis, Moss, and Brunell had a good season. Their defense is good enough to keep games tight.

The Giants WR corps got a little worse since Toomer got a year older, and though their secondary improved Strahan is reaching that point where he has to prove himself every year. If we haven't improved at OT enough, this team has the potential to be a real problem.

Philadelphia will have a healthy McNabb, a signed Westbrook, a healthy Pinkston :laugh2: , but has questions on the OL, DL, and at LB. Their secondary drops off rapidly in coverage when when their front seven can't get it done. The draft can change this team most dramatically since they are drafting 14th in each round.

[HailTheRedSkins]

I think that it goes without saying that every team in the NFC east is going to be tough for any rival NFCE team to play (even the Eagles). The Redskins have a great defense and our Offensive Line should be healthy this year (Maybe we'll get to see Jason Campbell play). The Cowboys should be strong but you need to find a way to protect your QB. The Giants will be as explosive as ever but they need to get their Defense together. Philly shouldn't be a major threat for anyone however Mcnabb will always be dangerous even with a beard.