Have we become this years Redskins?

[acheman]

Will all these FA moves and aged high priced Vets like Terrell Owens, Jason Fabinbi (not so high priced but aged), and Mike Vanderjagt all in an attempt to make a HUGE push this year. And now there is talk that we might be looking at Charles Woodson and Lavar Arrington. This smells of deja vu. I am not complaining, and I know we have not mortgaged the future with big salary cap hits down the road, but it seems like we are doing the sam stuff we have blasted the Rednecks for for years now.

[CowboysFaninDC]

Will all these FA moves and aged high priced Vets like Terrell Owens, Jason Fabinbi (not so high priced but aged), and Mike Vanderjagt all in an attempt to make a HUGE push this year. And now there is talk that we might be looking at Charles Woodson and Lavar Arrington. This smells of deja vu. I am not complaining, and I know we have not mortgaged the future with big salary cap hits down the road, but it seems like we are doing the sam stuff we have blasted the Rednecks for for years now.

no, we actually draft well and add youth. the FAs are final pieces of the puzzle and help to transition to the next generation. ie Pettit would have never started barring injuries. fabini is the transition to pettiti in the future.

we are very very young on defense. ellis and ferguson are elder statements. after that its Roy with the seniority.

offense is a little older and partly due to FA market and the draft.

[superpunk]

The only big FA splash we've made was Terrell Owens. The rest are quality players, and have reasonable contracts.

I was thinking about that last night, but you can't really count Vanderjagt. Kickers are kickers, ya know? No need for them to really develop any chemistry with the team, although it can't hurt. We've addressed needs, with quality players. Not overrated, overpriced players.

[RealCowboyfan]

Have we become this years Redskins?

Nope.. we would never be like the Redskins.. Cowboys carries its own tradition.. If anything Redskins trying to become us with two more superbowl rings...

Cowboys just getting back into the Traditional ways at getting their valueable big-time Free Agents...

[cwbyfan72]

No, the Redskins are this years Redskins. And last years, and the year before that and so on and so on.........

[Yakuza Rich]

Dallas spends a lot less on FA than Washington usually does. Washington relies on backloading contracts, with the feeling that if the player plays great, he's worth the money once his major salary cap hits come. I've always felt that there are flaws in this theory.

The big thing is that every since the Galloway deal, Jerry has been averse to trading away draft picks.

I'd also like to mention for all of the talk of FA, Dallas is projected to have 14 starters that they actually drafted. Washington? 7 at the most.


Rich...........

[Yeagermeister]

We didn't pay #3 wr's like #1 wrs.....so no we aren't

[Mavs Man]

Bingo.

The difference is we pay market value for FA, not set the market.

[austintodallas]

we are very very young on defense. ellis and ferguson are elder statements. after that its Roy with the seniority.I believe you meant elder statesmen. :laugh2:

Not picking on you. That just struck me funny.

[AbeBeta]

no, if we were we would have done like all the chicken littles on the board wanted and made huge signings early, instead of smart signings later.

TO is a flashy signing -- but we are paying big money for a #1 WR. If you are going to spend that is a good place to do it as drafting WRs is always sketchy, they've got a very high bust potential.

[Danny White]

Will all these FA moves and aged high priced Vets like Terrell Owens, Jason Fabinbi (not so high priced but aged), and Mike Vanderjagt all in an attempt to make a HUGE push this year. And now there is talk that we might be looking at Charles Woodson and Lavar Arrington. This smells of deja vu. I am not complaining, and I know we have not mortgaged the future with big salary cap hits down the road, but it seems like we are doing the sam stuff we have blasted the Rednecks for for years now.
You know, as I'm reading through LaVar Arrington and Charles Woodson threads... I was just starting to get an errie feeling that it reminded me of that year the R*dsk*ns brought in Deion and Bruce Smith and Jeff George to make a big run.

It's hard to disagree with the "stockpile talent and win now" method when you're in the middle of it and adding big names... but it sure didn't work out for the Sk*ns that year.

There's no telling how chemistry will work out when you add all these big names and egos. And how they'll react when the chips are down.

[Reality]

Last year, we were the Redskins from the year before. The year before that we were the Redskins from the year before that. The year before that, we were the Redskins of last year. This year, we're the .. wait .. what was the question?

:lmao:

[speedkilz88]

Deion, Bruce Smith, and Jeff George were all over the hill. The guys we are talking about are quite a bit younger.

[Rowdy]

Bingo.

The difference is we pay market value for FA, not set the market.


lol-how true.

[RealCowboyfan]

Deion, Bruce Smith, and Jeff George were all over the hill. The guys we are talking about are quite a bit younger.

DANIEL SYNDER WHEN FREE AGENCY STARTS:: :huh: :ohboy: :gent:

REDSKINS PLAYERS:: :geezer: :jackpot: :fogeys:

DANIEL SYNDER AFTER IT DON'T WORK OUT:: :cry2: :cry: :cry3:

[Danny White]

Deion, Bruce Smith, and Jeff George were all over the hill. The guys we are talking about are quite a bit younger.
Lavar and CWoodson might be younger, but they've both been ridden pretty hard.

They're both guys I could see going down with injuries pretty easily next year.

[Bob Sacamano]

no, the Skins signed players not worth the money, TO and Vandy, our big money spendings are worth every penny

[cobra]

Everybody was whining and moaning the first week of Free Agency because the Redskins were "improving their team" and not afraid to spend money to do it and yet the Cowboys were doing nothing. There was nothing but complaining on this board for well over a week.

Jerry goes out and gets the best WR in the game. He gets the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL. He signs some low price quality players.

And what happens?

Fans start whining about the Cowboys spending money in free agency (despite the fact we are still 12 million under the cap). Fans start saying we are as bad as the loser Redskins.

That is sooooo annoying that fans will complain no matter what Jerry does.

[jackrussell]

This smells of deja vu.

Is that what that smell is?:gassy1:

[Eddie]

Laugh at the Skins all you guys want, but Gibbs has done in ONE year what we haven't done in NINE ... win a playoff game.

Make light of the Skins, but they rolled over us last year. It's easy to make fun of an opponent, but to diminish the Skins is only turning a blind eye to a baseball bat aimed at your head.

We may not be the Skins, but they didn't pay $10 mil signing bonus' to over-aged OG's, or draft guys like Dwayne Goodrich, Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon as their top picks.

They didn't throw away two top picks on Joey Galloway either.

[Gfunk]

wake up kid, this year we spent our money on all YOUNG talent

we haven't gone a spending spree of old talent in SIX years

that's an old way of doing things that was killed long before Gibbs got here

[Bob Sacamano]

Laugh at the Skins all you guys want, but Gibbs has done in ONE year what we haven't done in NINE ... win a playoff game.

Make light of the Skins, but they rolled over us last year. It's easy to make fun of an opponent, but to diminish the Skins is only turning a blind eye to a baseball bat aimed at your head.

We may not be the Skins, but they didn't pay $10 mil signing bonus' to over-aged OG's, or draft guys like Dwayne Goodrich, Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon as their top picks.

They didn't throw away two top picks on Joey Galloway either.
:rolleyes:

go take your REdskin envy elsewhere

[Bob Sacamano]

wake up kid, this year we spent our money on all YOUNG talent

we haven't gone a spending spree of old talent in SIX years

that's an old way of doing things that was killed long before Gibbs got here




young doesn't exactly mean they are worth the contracts, don't care how old Bruce, Deion and George were, they weren't worth the huge contracts you gave them, and Randle El and Lloyd don't look like they're worth what you gave up for them either, I mean, a combined 6 TD grabs?

[jackrussell]

Laugh at the Skins all you guys want, but Gibbs has done in ONE year what we haven't done in NINE ... win a playoff game.

Make light of the Skins, but they rolled over us last year. It's easy to make fun of an opponent, but to diminish the Skins is only turning a blind eye to a baseball bat aimed at your head.

We may not be the Skins, but they didn't pay $10 mil signing bonus' to over-aged OG's, or draft guys like Dwayne Goodrich, Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon as their top picks.

They didn't throw away two top picks on Joey Galloway either.

Yes, Washington Redskins, model franchise of the NFL.:rolleyes:

[Gamebreaker]

young doesn't exactly mean they are worth the contracts, don't care how old Bruce, Deion and George were, they weren't worth the huge contracts you gave them, and Randle El and Lloyd don't look like they're worth what you gave up for them either, I mean, a combined 6 TD grabs?

So you're saying because LLoyd and Randle El didn't have all-pro numbers for the Niners and Steelers, that it's no way they could with the Redskins with Al Saunders from KC, at the helm?

[Yakuza Rich]

Laugh at the Skins all you guys want, but Gibbs has done in ONE year what we haven't done in NINE ... win a playoff game.

Make light of the Skins, but they rolled over us last year. It's easy to make fun of an opponent, but to diminish the Skins is only turning a blind eye to a baseball bat aimed at your head.

We may not be the Skins, but they didn't pay $10 mil signing bonus' to over-aged OG's, or draft guys like Dwayne Goodrich, Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon as their top picks.

They didn't throw away two top picks on Joey Galloway either.

Very true. But, I think in the last 4 years Jerry and company have shown that they learned their lesson.

Rich...............

[Yakuza Rich]

So you're saying because LLoyd and Randle El didn't have all-pro numbers for the Niners and Steelers, that it's no way they could with the Redskins with Al Saunders from KC, at the helm?

Saunders doesn't have the quality of the KC O-Line either.

I'm not committing either way since Saunders doesn't have much of a sample size as an O-Coordinator. He could work out, they could stay the same on offense, or they could get worse.

My guess is that they'll probably be a bit better since they have better WR talent now. But, since Saunders and Gibbs practically run the same scheme and system (which Gibbs has said so himself), I just don't a great leap in offensive improvement. Otherwise, that's saying that Gibbs can't hold Saunders' jock when it comes to running an offense.

I don't know any Skins fan who would say that.


Rich...........

[BrAinPaiNt]

So you're saying because LLoyd and Randle El didn't have all-pro numbers for the Niners and Steelers, that it's no way they could with the Redskins with Al Saunders from KC, at the helm?

You are right they did not have all-pro numbers before, I would say below average numbers.

But that does not mean they can not be better in washingtion, nor does it mean someone is wrong for saying they will not.

[Bob Sacamano]

So you're saying because LLoyd and Randle El didn't have all-pro numbers for the Niners and Steelers, that it's no way they could with the Redskins with Al Saunders from KC, at the helm?

I can't tell the future, and won't pretend to, but you're supposed to reward players with contracts based on production, and Lloyd and Randle El's production, hell, combined, don't equal what you rewarded them

[juice28]

So you're saying because LLoyd and Randle El didn't have all-pro numbers for the Niners and Steelers, that it's no way they could with the Redskins with Al Saunders from KC, at the helm?

So you're saying they're prone for a breakout season? :lmao: What exactly is Randle El's motivation again?

[Gamebreaker]

Saunders doesn't have the quality of the KC O-Line either.

I'm not committing either way since Saunders doesn't have much of a sample size as an O-Coordinator. He could work out, they could stay the same on offense, or they could get worse.

My guess is that they'll probably be a bit better since they have better WR talent now. But, since Saunders and Gibbs practically run the same scheme and system (which Gibbs has said so himself), I just don't a great leap in offensive improvement. Otherwise, that's saying that Gibbs can't hold Saunders' jock when it comes to running an offense.

I don't know any Skins fan who would say that.


Rich...........

There were times last season, where Gibbs seemed too conservative, usually playing with a lead. When he's playing from behind, he takes risk at the right times and reminds me of the Gibbs of old. Even on ES, this was noted numerous times.

Gibbs will always be the first to admit when he's making mistakes, bringing in Saunders was him finding someone who may do it better. Doesn't mean he isn't a great HC anymore, it shows he's great enough to delegate responsibilities.

Saunders used more 3 WR sets in KC. I think the offense will open up under him, the run/pass ratio will be balanced with him as OC. It also helps that we have better recievers than last season, with more quality among the OL with good depth.

[Gamebreaker]

You are right they did not have all-pro numbers before, I would say below average numbers.

But that does not mean they can not be better in washingtion, nor does it mean someone is wrong for saying they will not.

I agree Randle El's numbers were below average for a reciever who was the second reciever for the steelers. On ES, I was criticized and called "not a fan" because I didn't agree with the amount of money spent on him. I also wanted them to make a move for Koren Robinson.

But Lloyd had 700+ yards, that isn't below average. All the recievers in the league don't avg. that, and not many played with as bad a play at QB as Lloyd did.

[Eddie]

:rolleyes:

go take your REdskin envy elsewhere

No ... take your blind homerism elsewhere.

[Bob Sacamano]

No ... take your blind homerism elsewhere.

what blind homerism? all you do is bring up the Redskins like they are some sort of model for us to be, wow, one playoff win, yeah, we should be more like the Redskins :jerk: I know that's more than us, but set your sights a little higher than just the weakest playoff win in NFL history...when the Redskins do something, then I'll be worried about being more like them

[MissionCoach]

DANIEL SYNDER WHEN FREE AGENCY STARTS:: :huh: :ohboy: :gent:

REDSKINS PLAYERS:: :geezer: :jackpot: :fogeys:

DANIEL SYNDER AFTER IT DON'T WORK OUT:: :cry2: :cry: :cry3:


Lil Danny during FA :money: :showme: :jackpot:

Lil Danny after FA...Any Questions? :insane: :doh: :cry2: :tantrum:

[Eddie]

Yes, Washington Redskins, model franchise of the NFL.:rolleyes:



Laugh all you want, but what have we done in the past decade??? Squat!!!

So laugh at the Redskins, make light of other teams, poke fun at how our opponents "aren't" getting the job done ...

Maybe we should focus on making our OWN bed before telling someone else how to make theirs.

We haven't done a dammed thing in ten years. We've just endured the longest post season draught in franchise history ... and you guys are laughing at the Redskins.

Time to look ourselves in the mirror gents ... we're not in any position to mock anyone else.

As a Cowboy fans, we should be as humble as pie ... cus we're NOT even the Bengals.

As a Cowboy fan, I'm PO'd at the nonsense this organization has undertaken ... and that includes this TO BS!!!

I guess misery loves company, but Skins made the playoffs last year ... we didn't. It is what it is.

[Bob Sacamano]

As a Cowboy fan, I'm PO'd at the nonsense this organization has undertaken ... and that includes this TO BS!!!

and people don't give a crap dude, that's all you do, whine like a little chick on her period, take some mydol

[Bob Sacamano]

it's also tiring listening to people bring up the Redskins everytime we do something, EVERYTIME!! and you running into defend them everytime, notice noone has agreed with you yet?

who cares about them? I more concerned with Seattle and Pittsburgh

[Eddie]

what blind homerism? all you do is bring up the Redskins like they are some sort of model for us to be, wow, one playoff win, yeah, we should be more like the Redskins :jerk: I know that's more than us, but set your sights a little higher than just the weakest playoff win in NFL history...when the Redskins do something, then I'll be worried about being more like them


Bro, we're NOT even the Redskins. We came in third place in a 3 dog race. You're happy with that? Somehow we're better than the Skins?

There are 31 other franchises to talk about, but all I read is Redskins this, Redskins that.

All I hear is how the Redskins are in cap hell, yet they kicked our butts really nicely last year.

Laugh all you want, but Gibbs made Parcells look like a fool last year.

The Redskins are NOT a model for us, and I never implied it. I simply said NOT to underestimate or diminish what they've done.

Danny Snyder is ALOT smarter than all of us ... there's a reason why he owns an NFL franchise, and you guys can only snicker anonymously behind PC screens.

How many more Cowboys to the Super Bowl threads are we gonna go through?

How many more Al Johnson to the Pro Bowl are we gonna pretend we didn't read?

How many more Larry Allen to DT BS are we gonna post???

It's called blind homerism and only a blind homer would believe in such things.

[Bob Sacamano]

How many more Cowboys to the Super Bowl threads are we gonna go through?

How many more Al Johnson to the Pro Bowl are we gonna pretend we didn't read?

How many more Larry Allen to DT BS are we gonna post???

It's called blind homerism and only a blind homer would believe in such things.

yeah, that's blind homerism, but I've never stated such things, so...

and I'm not happy with how last year turned out, and I don't see anyone who is, so quit implying it, but the future looks pretty bright to me, but that's just me

[Eddie]

it's also tiring listening to people bring up the Redskins everytime we do something, EVERYTIME!! and you running into defend them everytime, notice noone has agreed with you yet?

who cares about them? I more concerned with Seattle and Pittsburgh

Thank you. I agree ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND percent.

[superpunk]

Laugh all you want, but what have we done in the past decade??? Squat!!!

Wow....and the Redskins have done soooooo much more, haven't they? They can barely fit all those SB trophies they've won in the past 15 years behind those obstructed view seats (maybe THAT's why I can't see them).....

Maybe we should all groan about how great organizations like Atlanta, Minnesota, Arizona, Oakland, etc. are....After all, in the past 10 years, they've all won playoff games, too. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo. It's great of you to lower your expectations to where a weak playoff victory becomes something to slobber over. We lost to eventual super-bowl representative Panthers, they lost to eventual super bowl representative Seahawks. Who's to say we couldn't have beaten a team like the 05 Bucs in 03?

Sheesh...your hardcore Redskins envy is greatly misplaced. They've won nothing.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Exit light
Enter night
Take my hand
Off to never never land

[superpunk]

BP....destroyer of thread momentum. :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

BP....destroyer of thread momentum. :laugh2:

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Kneel before Zod!

:laugh2:

[SkinsFan07]

DANIEL SYNDER WHEN FREE AGENCY STARTS:: :huh: :ohboy: :gent:

REDSKINS PLAYERS:: :geezer: :jackpot: :fogeys:

DANIEL SYNDER AFTER IT DON'T WORK OUT:: :cry2: :cry: :cry3:


That's funny. You must be talking about the 2000 season when we got Deion, jeff George and those other older player.

B/C this year, no one we have gotten in FA is in their 30's. :D

Unlike ya'll who have gotten 2 or 3 Fa's who are in their 30's.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's funny. You must be talking about the 2000 season when we got Deion, jeff George and those other older player.

B/C this year, no one we have gotten in FA is in their 30's. :D

Unlike ya'll who have gotten 2 or 3 Fa's who are in their 30's.
Out of curiosity, and I really do not know the answer.

If you would take the 53 players on your roster (I know at this time it is above that but 53 projected players on the team) and do the same for the cowboys.

Which one would have the youngest average number for players?

As I said, I don't really know but that would be something interesting.

And since you are here, and I am frankly too lazy to look it up at the moment, why don't you do that and post it here please.
:cool:

BTW, I am curious about one thing though. You got cowboys fans bringing up Deion and Bruce, but skins say that was way back when, and I can agree with that.

But have you forgotten just last year the amount of money you paid for a QB who is older then our current starting QB?

[BLEU3ASY]

Hell no....were not the Redskins!!!