Bad week to be a Henson critic...

[silverbear]

Sure is nice to see him playing this well, after that stinker last week... the difference, I think, lies in 3 key factors:

1) His coach is calling a more versatile and less predictable game... last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...

2) The field last week was a mess, it not only hindered his receivers, but it probably hurt Drew's footwork too...

3) Drew just might have been nervous and uptight last week... if so, it does appear he's over it...

As I type this, Henson is 16 of 21 for 167 yards, just threw a NICE TD pass... his throws this week are on the money for the most part, a nice change from all those wild passes he threw last week... his QBR is 114.6... if his play the rest of the season can approach his play today, he might wind up changing the Cowboys' collective mind about his NFL potential...

The Fire is leading 19-0, and just recovered a fumble on the kickoff following Drew's TD pass...

[Silverstar]

Looong way to go for Henson in Europe. Has to keep this pace going for the rest of the season there.


I'm confident he will.



:starspin

[bbgun]

Even a blind squirrel ...

[neosapien23]

Looong way to go for Henson in Europe. Has to keep this pace going for the rest of the season there.


I'm confident he will.



:starspin

Glad to hear he played well over there. I really don't expect much from him, but I hope he proves me wrong.

[hendog]

This has to be a big confidence booster for him. Him playing with confidence will allow him to be less robotic and just to make plays with his athleticism.

Good for him and part of it has to do with him having a great attitude about going over there. That part alone sets him apart from alot of today's pro athletes.

[Ken]

I was tough on him last week, good to hear he is playing better.

Look forward to watching him play tonight.

[silverbear]

Even a blind squirrel ...

I'm guessing that you're the kind of guy who, if you show him a silver lining, promptly starts looking for the cloud... LOL...

[dragon_mikal]

I really want Drew Henson to pan out for this franchise. I know it is a long shot, but he does have a lot of talent and potential.

I just don't feel comfortable with our current QB situation. If Drew Bledsoe goes down our season would be over.

I just want Jerry to start thinking about bringing in a young quarterback that can be groomed for the future. Drew Henson may be that quarterback...but he has a long way to go before he should see the field again.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I've never really been a Henson supporter or critic. Just wanna see another homegrown franchise QB.

Realistically, I didn't think he had much of a shot to come back to Dallas after an NFL Europe allocation.

But having said that, I think it's far too early to predict anything.

One bad week, one good week.

Let's hope the rest of the year looks like this week. :)

[5Stars]

Henson had a somwhat good game....much better then the last one. But, at least to me, and I could be wrong, but his throws really look low to me...and it just looks like he still has a somewhat funky baseball delivery.

If the throwing lane is wide open, he can get it there, no doubt about it...but, I'm still skeptical. I guess we will see what he does with real NFL players once the season starts.

[Bach]

I've have my doubts about Henson, but I want him to succeed, like I think all Cowboys fans would. The sooner we develop/find a quality young QB, the better off we'll be. If we have that guy on the team now, we are one step ahead of the game.

[jterrell]

excellent news!

Henson is a tools guy who can provide long term hope provided he is putting it together where it counts: on the field.

:starspin

[doomsday81]

Sure is nice to see him playing this well, after that stinker last week... the difference, I think, lies in 3 key factors:

1) His coach is calling a more versatile and less predictable game... last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...

2) The field last week was a mess, it not only hindered his receivers, but it probably hurt Drew's footwork too...

3) Drew just might have been nervous and uptight last week... if so, it does appear he's over it...

As I type this, Henson is 16 of 21 for 167 yards, just threw a NICE TD pass... his throws this week are on the money for the most part, a nice change from all those wild passes he threw last week... his QBR is 114.6... if his play the rest of the season can approach his play today, he might wind up changing the Cowboys' collective mind about his NFL potential...

The Fire is leading 19-0, and just recovered a fumble on the kickoff following Drew's TD pass...

Rohan Davey of the Patriots lit it up in NFL Europe and was named MVP. Later on in training camp, he was cut. Enough said. NFL Europe is nothing more than a step up from the XFL. I'm not coming down on Henson but if you are indeed a Henson critic, what he does against some practice squad players in Germany ceratinly doesn't prove you wrong. I was all for trading for Henson but from what I have so far against NFL competition (remember I said so far), he just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful NFL starting quarterback but who knows? I've been wrong before. I just wouldn't do cartwheels over what he does against the Hamburg Sea Devils or whatever stiff team they are playing against.

[CATCH17]

So how about we dont judge him from week to week but judge his entire season as a whole?

[bbgun]

I'm guessing that you're the kind of guy who, if you show him a silver lining, promptly starts looking for the cloud... LOL...

And I'm guessing you're the kind of guy who equates criticism or disappointment with "hate." He had a nice game in the NFL's version of Pop Warner. Whoop-dee-doo.

[DWAREZ]

Good for Henson..I hope he continues to improve and can be the guy for Dallas in the future..we shall see but this is encouraging

[The30YardSlant]

It's the NFL Europe. Most good High school players could go over there and play well. :rolleyes:

[SteveOS]

From the looks of it, the field wasn't much better this week, heh.

I'm glad Henson came back this week w/ a solid performance. He could have easily thrown yet another interception today, had the defender not dropped it. That's 2 weeks in a row.

Still a solid showing from Drew, hopefully he continues to improve.

[Cochese]

Its about damned time he showed he actually still had a pulse. Ooooh Drew Henson actually accomplishes something in his sports career in one game of European football, stop the frickin presses.

[acheman]

And in terms of sports success, compared to Henson you have done what exactly?

[Idgit]

...As I type this, Henson is 16 of 21 for 167 yards, just threw a NICE TD pass... his throws this week are on the money for the most part, a nice change from all those wild passes he threw last week... his QBR is 114.6... if his play the rest of the season can approach his play today, he might wind up changing the Cowboys' collective mind about his NFL potential...

The Fire is leading 19-0, and just recovered a fumble on the kickoff following Drew's TD pass...

If by 'Cowboys' collective mind' you mean the opinions of a handful of skittish ninnies on a message board, you're right on target.

The Cowboys, on the other hand, have been saying they'll be patient in developing Henson from the get-go. Here's to hoping it continues to work and eventually pays big dividends.

[Cochese]

And in terms of sports success, compared to Henson you have done what exactly?

What does it matter? He is the theif, that has stole money from 2 of the greatest sports organizations in North America.

[acheman]

No, they paid him money to try and develop him. As long as he is working as hard as is being reported to try and improve, he stole nothing. Unlike a lot of athletes who are all about the payday, and back up to the office window to collect their checks on payday.Your whole attitude smells of a lot of jealousy and anger that things did not pan out the way you hoped.

[Cochese]

No, they paid him money to try and develop him. As long as he is working as hard as is being reported to try and improve, he stole nothing. Unlike a lot of athletes who are all about the payday, and back up to the office window to collect their checks on payday.Your whole attitude smells of a lot of jealousy and anger that things did not pan out the way you hoped.

Why dont you try judging yourself, buddy.


To put it plainly, I am sick of Drew Henson. To think that he tried football because it was in his heart (like he claims in interviews) and not because he washed out of baseball is a joke .

[acheman]

Wow, Speaking of judging sounds like you have the wig on and the gavel in your hand buddy.

[Cochese]

Wow, Speaking of judging sounds like you have the wig on and the gavel in your hand buddy.

Lets just say that if Drew Henson was the third baseman of the New York Yankees, I doubt he feels the desire to play football in his heart.

[acheman]

Now you are a mind reader and know the desires of each man's heart, that is an impressive skill set you have there.

[Yakuza Rich]

Rohan Davey of the Patriots lit it up in NFL Europe and was named MVP. Later on in training camp, he was cut.

Davey wound up playing with the Pats that season and then was cut a year later.

To Henson's credit, Davey was a completely different story as he had never taken significant time away from the NFL. He was also never nearly highly as touted as Henson was.

I think it's important that Henson plays well, but he doesn't exactly have to light it up. With his natural ability, as long as he keeps improving incrementally, he's in good shape.

Rich............

[Avenging Hayseed]

Its about damned time he showed he actually still had a pulse. Ooooh Drew Henson actually accomplishes something in his sports career in one game of European football, stop the frickin presses........ATTENTION! ATTENTION!! Former QuINTcy apologist in da house! Hey bud Guess what BP said to QuINTcy that fatefull day?...Hit the rode jack, AND DONTCHA COME BACK , no more no more no more NO MORE, hit da rode jack and dontcha come BACK NO MORE!....:lmao2:

[Gaede]

Well, I don't want to start anything here, but the initial excuses in this thread are the sort we heard when Quincy was around...There were always external factors that invariably altered his performance, always another excuse. I know because I was one of the people who bought into and perpetuated this process...We all wanted him to succeed so badly.

I'm not saying Henson is Quincy all over again, and I want him to succeed as much as I wanted Quincy to. And I think he will succeed eventually. I also have not seen todays game. I do know last week he didn't look all that good.

Anyways, what I am trying to say is this; let's not continue to make excuses if and when Henson looks bad. We'll just have to go through this whole Quincy/Hutch thing all over again--convincing ourselves we have something when we don't.

[iceberg]

From the looks of it, the field wasn't much better this week, heh.

I'm glad Henson came back this week w/ a solid performance. He could have easily thrown yet another interception today, had the defender not dropped it. That's 2 weeks in a row.

Still a solid showing from Drew, hopefully he continues to improve.

i'm pretty sure that he can and will throw an INT sooner or later. after all, bledsoe does it and he's still our starter, right?

[J-DOG]

Rohan Davey of the Patriots lit it up in NFL Europe and was named MVP. Later on in training camp, he was cut. Enough said. NFL Europe is nothing more than a step up from the XFL. I'm not coming down on Henson but if you are indeed a Henson critic, what he does against some practice squad players in Germany ceratinly doesn't prove you wrong. I was all for trading for Henson but from what I have so far against NFL competition (remember I said so far), he just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful NFL starting quarterback but who knows? I've been wrong before. I just wouldn't do cartwheels over what he does against the Hamburg Sea Devils or whatever stiff team they are playing against.
You can throw in examples good and bad to down-play or hype this last Henson outing.
Kurt Warner played in NFL Europe and he has a ring and an NFL MVP to his credit.
It is what it is.
I hope it leads to something to help this team in the future.

[Bullet22]

Correct me if I am wrong, but ever qb that has ever played has thrown an int..maybe 2....:eek:

[big dog cowboy]

I'm glad to see him to well just so those Henson haters won't put up a dozen threads a day telling us how much he sucks.

[SultanOfSix]

Why dont you try judging yourself, buddy.


To put it plainly, I am sick of Drew Henson. To think that he tried football because it was in his heart (like he claims in interviews) and not because he washed out of baseball is a joke .

Old news, but you might want to change your username, because we already said yes to TO.

And to call someone who you don't know a liar is a joke.

[SultanOfSix]

And I'm guessing you're the kind of guy who equates criticism or disappointment with "hate." He had a nice game in the NFL's version of Pop Warner. Whoop-dee-doo.

Criticism can be constructive, or it can be useless. Yours seems to be the latter because there is nothing constructive about "whoop dee doo, he did well in Europe which means nothing." But if he doesn't live up to his potential, it means he can't handle pop warner football. Seems like a no-win situation to me and just a reflection of the same negative criticism anti-Hensonites like to display.

[Cbz40]

Glad to see Henson had a good game. We need to see him get more confident with each start.

[5Stars]

Glad to see Henson had a good game. We need to see him get more confident with each start.

It's that German food that's making him start to play well, well..

Wait till he comes back and has to eat this crappy USA food! :eek:

[Cbz40]

It's that German food that's making him start to play well, well..

Wait till he comes back and has to eat this crappy USA food! :eek:


Well freeze some of that German grub and have him bring it home with him.:D

[Charles]

Lets just say that if Drew Henson was the third baseman of the New York Yankees, I doubt he feels the desire to play football in his heart.
:lmao: :lmao2: That is awful. Low blow!!:lmao2:

[5Stars]

Well freeze some of that German grub and have him bring it home with him.:D

That will only work for so long...

What he needs to do, is dump that American girlfriend, find a nice little frauline, wash and shave her up, bring her home, and let her cook! :cool:

[Cbz40]

That will only work for so long...

What he needs to do, is dump that American girlfriend, find a nice little frauline, wash and shave her up, bring her home, and let her cook! :cool:


I can't say I disagree w/that. :lmao:

[Dave_in-NC]

That will only work for so long...

What he needs to do, is dump that American girlfriend, find a nice little frauline, wash and shave her up, bring her home, and let her cook! :cool:
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao: :bow:

[Charles]

:o: That will only work for so long...

What he needs to do, is dump that American girlfriend, find a nice little frauline, wash and shave her up, bring her home, and let her cook! :cool::laugh2: :laugh2:

[ghst187]

[QUOTE=silverbear]
1) last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...
QUOTE]

the coach must've had a deal with BP to get Henson ready to run a BP offense:D

[Hostile]

I like it Silverbear. Nice to see some Cowboys fans sticking up for one of our own. I hope he keeps it up.

[M'Kevon]

That will only work for so long...

What he needs to do, is dump that American girlfriend, find a nice little frauline, wash and shave her up, bring her home, and let her cook! :cool:


:lmao2: :lmao: :laugh2:



Wait - my wife is German . . .
:doh:

She does go through a lot of razors.

[Z-Man]

last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...


The Rhein coach was just trying to make Henson comfortable by using Parcells' offensive scheme.:laugh2:

[jay cee]

I like it Silverbear. Nice to see some Cowboys fans sticking up for one of our own. I hope he keeps it up.
I think for most people it depends on how they felt about the player in the 1st place.

If they wanted him to do well, they appreciate posts that show him in a good light. If they want him to poorly they appreciate posts that show him in a bad light.

And they go on attack mode when there is a post that does show him in a positive way.

[BlueWave]

He didn't just play great, he looked great. Made one unbelievable throw for the TD, a throw that only a few QB's in NFL history could have had the strength to throw. Truly amazing. If you didn't watch the game, don't comment until you do. He looked great. Very quick release and some rocket passes on thrid and long on a few different occasions. I have never seen him look that good yet. Did throw low on a couple of slants, but the TV annoucers gave him credit for throwing the ball low to make sure his receiver was the only one able to catch it.

[Boom]

Well, I don't want to start anything here, but the initial excuses in this thread are the sort we heard when Quincy was around...There were always external factors that invariably altered his performance, always another excuse. I know because I was one of the people who bought into and perpetuated this process...We all wanted him to succeed so badly.

I'm not saying Henson is Quincy all over again, and I want him to succeed as much as I wanted Quincy to. And I think he will succeed eventually. I also have not seen todays game. I do know last week he didn't look all that good.

Anyways, what I am trying to say is this; let's not continue to make excuses if and when Henson looks bad. We'll just have to go through this whole Quincy/Hutch thing all over again--convincing ourselves we have something when we don't.

Until there is a larger sample size to work with, I don't think it is near a Quincy situation. Personally, I want to see steady progress in his reads and execution. And even if that continues, I'll have guarded optimism at best.

[blindzebra]

I think for most people it depends on how they felt about the player in the 1st place.

If they wanted him to do well, they appreciate posts that show him in a good light. If they want him to poorly they appreciate posts that show him in a bad light.

And they go on attack mode when there is a post that does show him in a positive way.

The question is why would any Cowboy fan want him to do poorly?

[GTaylor]

The question is why would any Cowboy fan want him to do poorly?

Only reason I could think of is so Bill and Jerry would focus on grabbing a QB in the upcoming draft.

[rcaldw]

That isn't the reason. And honestly it isn't about Henson either. It is about PRIDE. People go public with their take on a player and then they have a PERSONAL INVESTMENT (as crazy as that sounds) in the outcome matching their prediction. If their prediction comes to pass it makes them FEEL knowledgeable. If their prediction doesn't come to pass it makes them FEEL like a loser.

So, no matter the evidence just be prepared for some people to hate on Henson during the NFLE experience.

If he does poorly, they will certainly rain down with their wisdom, but here is the crazy part, IF HE DOES WELL they will shoot down every positive performance. And if nothing else works they will always pull out the NFLE club, that is, these are a bunch of backups.

I laugh when guys give their take on Henson based on his NFL ATTEMPTS, seeing that the guy hasn't even been given a chance. Honestly, AND I'M SAYING THIS AS A HENSON SUPPORTER, I don't know how ANY OF US CAN ACCURATELY JUDGE THE GUY RIGHT NOW. He just simply hasn't played.

[adbutcher]

The question is why would any Cowboy fan want him to do poorly?
Good question indeed. The game is on and I got the PVR rolling. I will tune in in about an hour or so.

[blindzebra]

Only reason I could think of is so Bill and Jerry would focus on grabbing a QB in the upcoming draft.

That still makes no sense, because a player with talent 2 years in our system beats any draft pick. Plus you get to fill another position with the pick you'd have used on a QB.

The question still stands:

Why would ANY COWBOYS FAN want him to fail?

[adbutcher]

That still makes no sense, because a player with talent 2 years in our system beats any draft pick. Plus you get to fill another position with the pick you'd have used on a QB.

The question still stands:

Why would ANY COWBOYS FAN want him to fail?
Oh oh I know
























Agenda?

[blindzebra]

Oh oh I know
























Agenda?

Ssshhh, they'll think we are in cahoots again.:laugh2:

[bbgun]

Why would ANY COWBOYS FAN want him to fail?

Where do you get that from? Noting his lack of progress is tantamount to wanting him to fail? Did we want Jacob Rogers to fail too, or was he simply a turd? Stop putting words and bad motives in our mouths. I'm archiving these pollyannish posts for when he's cut in August. And no, it will give me no satisfaction to see a third round pick wasted.

[blindzebra]

Where do you get that from? Noting his lack of progress is tantamount to wanting him to fail? Did we want Jacob Rogers to fail too, or was he simply a turd? Stop putting words and bad motives in our mouths. I'm archiving these pollyannish posts for when he's cut in August. And no, it will give me no satisfaction to see a third round pick wasted.


Riiiggghhhttt.:rolleyes:

Pretty much answered the question.

[Silverstar]

He didn't just play great, he looked great. Made one unbelievable throw for the TD, a throw that only a few QB's in NFL history could have had the strength to throw. Truly amazing. If you didn't watch the game, don't comment until you do. He looked great. Very quick release and some rocket passes on thrid and long on a few different occasions. I have never seen him look that good yet. Did throw low on a couple of slants, but the TV annoucers gave him credit for throwing the ball low to make sure his receiver was the only one able to catch it.


I haven't seen the game, but this summary wouldn't surprise me at all. I've said it before, I think Henson will be our best backup since Danny White in the 70's.

[bbgun]

Riiiggghhhttt.:rolleyes:

Pretty much answered the question.

http://www.123imagehost.com/uploads/235-848-ATT00035.gif

[SultanOfSix]

I'm archiving these pollyannish posts for when he's cut in August. And no, it will give me no satisfaction to see a third round pick wasted.

And what will you do if he's not cut?

[bbgun]

And what will you do if he's not cut?

Watch him holding a clipboard.

[SultanOfSix]

I see. So you wouldn't admit that you were wrong about him being cut.

Honestly, I see nothing pollyannish about any of the posts putting Henson in a good light. It's not like these posts are declaring him as the future QB of the 'Boys or in the HOF. What I do see is excessive negative criticism hoping he fails or gets cut.

[RealCowboyfan]

Sure is nice to see him playing this well, after that stinker last week... the difference, I think, lies in 3 key factors:

1) His coach is calling a more versatile and less predictable game... last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...

2) The field last week was a mess, it not only hindered his receivers, but it probably hurt Drew's footwork too...

3) Drew just might have been nervous and uptight last week... if so, it does appear he's over it...

As I type this, Henson is 16 of 21 for 167 yards, just threw a NICE TD pass... his throws this week are on the money for the most part, a nice change from all those wild passes he threw last week... his QBR is 114.6... if his play the rest of the season can approach his play today, he might wind up changing the Cowboys' collective mind about his NFL potential...

The Fire is leading 19-0, and just recovered a fumble on the kickoff following Drew's TD pass...

I couldn't agree with you more.. Don't yall know that Lavar Arrington didn't sign with Jaxsonville Jaguars?

[Bob Sacamano]

And I'm guessing you're the kind of guy who equates criticism or disappointment with "hate." He had a nice game in the NFL's version of Pop Warner. Whoop-dee-doo.

funny, it was, "Henson better do well in NFLE or else", but once he starts to do well, it's, "Henson is doing well in NFLE whoop-dee-doo" :jerk: tough crowd

[Bob Sacamano]

If by 'Cowboys' collective mind' you mean the opinions of a handful of skittish ninnies on a message board, you're right on target.

The Cowboys, on the other hand, have been saying they'll be patient in developing Henson from the get-go. Here's to hoping it continues to work and eventually pays big dividends.

:hammer:

[Bob Sacamano]

Honestly, AND I'M SAYING THIS AS A HENSON SUPPORTER, I don't know how ANY OF US CAN ACCURATELY JUDGE THE GUY RIGHT NOW. He just simply hasn't played.

how come it's just us Henson supporters who say we can't judge him accurately, while the haters judge him at will? crazy

[silverbear]

And I'm guessing you're the kind of guy who equates criticism or disappointment with "hate." He had a nice game in the NFL's version of Pop Warner. Whoop-dee-doo.

LOL... my, you ARE sensitive about being called on your relentless cynicism, aren't you??

Apparently, you think that snarling sarcasm marks you as a superior football mind...

You're wrong... if you wish to be seen as knowledgeable, the key is presenting a fair and balanced analysis... that means discussing the good as well as the bad...

And it wouldn't hurt to give Drew an "attaboy", if only because his succeeding over there might be to the Cowboys' benefit... note that even as I was handing out my own "attaboy", I stressed the importance of him repeating that level of play for the rest of the season... I also said quite bluntly after last week's game that if he couldn't raise his game significantly, he was toast with the Cowboys...

And you try to characterize that kind of reasoned, balanced opinion as some kind of homerism, which of course shows that you're not being interested in being fair and balanced at all... you just seem to want to spew bile in here, presumably because it's backing up on you from your real life...

How sad...

[silverbear]

From the looks of it, the field wasn't much better this week, heh.

I don't think it was near as bad as last week's was, but it's clear that they don't have NFL-caliber groundskeepers over there... LOL...

[silverbear]

If by 'Cowboys' collective mind' you mean the opinions of a handful of skittish ninnies on a message board, you're right on target.

Actually, I was talking about the brass out at Valley Ranch... what we on these message boards think won't have any impact at all on Drew's NFL future...

The Cowboys, on the other hand, have been saying they'll be patient in developing Henson from the get-go. Here's to hoping it continues to work and eventually pays big dividends.

I'm with ya, Idgit... if nothing else, it will make it more fun watching NFL Europe this year...

Sadly, it looks like Tom Crowder is playing himself out of a job, he has one catch for five yards in two games with Frankfurt... that won't cut it...

[silverbear]

That will only work for so long...

What he needs to do, is dump that American girlfriend, find a nice little frauline, wash and shave her up, bring her home, and let her cook! :cool:

The girls I dated when I lived in Heidelberg all shaved... nary a mustache in the bunch... never did get around to sampling their cooking, though, I had other, more urgent priorities at the time... I can live on fast food, anyway... :D

[silverbear]

[QUOTE=silverbear]
1) last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...
QUOTE]

the coach must've had a deal with BP to get Henson ready to run a BP offense:D

Now THAT'S funny!!

[silverbear]

I like it Silverbear. Nice to see some Cowboys fans sticking up for one of our own. I hope he keeps it up.

I'll stick up for 52 of the 53 men on the final roster this year, you can count on it...

I'll leave it up to you to guess who the 53rd is,,, ROTFLMAO...

[silverbear]

I think for most people it depends on how they felt about the player in the 1st place.

If they wanted him to do well, they appreciate posts that show him in a good light. If they want him to poorly they appreciate posts that show him in a bad light.

This is true, I like Henson and hope he does well... in fact, I had to edit the original post, it was a little TOO confrontational, and I've recently been spoken to by one of our mods about my "in your face" approach...

[silverbear]

Where do you get that from? Noting his lack of progress is tantamount to wanting him to fail?

ROTFLMAO... you didn't "note his lack of progress", in response to my opening post praising him, you said:

Even a blind squirrel ...

That was the entirety of your post, and that does not constitute noting a lack of progress, that's nothing more than a rather juvenile insult with no substance to it whatsoever... you were going for the wiseguy take, I guess you thought we'd be impressed with your sarcasm...

And of course, your agenda in doing so was to p*ss on a thread that you found annoyingly positive...

[silverbear]

http://www.123imagehost.com/uploads/235-848-ATT00035.gif

Yup, that's how a lot of us feel about your relentlessly negative posts these days...

[silverbear]

I couldn't agree with you more.. Don't yall know that Lavar Arrington didn't sign with Jaxsonville Jaguars?

At least, we don't have any really substantial source to verify the rumor...

Maybe we should put in a call to KLBK... :lmao2:

[Rack Bauer]

Yup, that's how a lot of us feel about your relentlessly negative posts these days...


:hammer:

[silverbear]

:hammer:

He walked into that one, didn't he?? :D

[playit12]

So I finally had a chance to watch the game on the DVR and so I'll try to redirect this thread back away from Quincy and irrational attacks.


What he did well:
Other than the first drive, he managed the drives well.
He seemed much more poised in the pocket than Chang, and he seemed so be seeing the plays unfold before him instead of trying to force passes.
He made some good strong passes down the middle and some nice short touch passes. He split the difference on passes out out to the sidelines on a 3 step drop. One was well placed while another should have been picked. The third was not bad but perhaps a few seconds too late.
He threw the ball away two times wisely.
He had a couple nice play fakes and he ran the bootleg very well.

What he didn't do well:
He made a couple bad passes and lofted a few passes.
His deep ball was not well thrown. He also threw some deep sideline routes that were not placed in the right position. He threw one too hard and thus didn't leave his man in the best position to make the catch.
He was really only 50-50 throwing out to the flat. I would like to have seen better acuracy here.
He slinged one pass, but it was the only time I saw him revert to the sidearm.
His TD pass was a very very poor decision. He was forced out of the pocket and avoided pressure by slipping back towards the middle of the field. Shortly after making the turn he slung the pass towards the fall sideline. This is a very very risky pass. This is the kind of pass you want to only leave your own player a shot at the ball. However because he threw the ball across the field, and the pass was a relatively short (foward speaking) pass he left several defenders a chance to disrupt the pass. Further the pass had to come over the shoulder of the defender to reach Smith. Had this been an NFL defender he would have had his head back looking for the pass and would have had the first shot at the ball. Again... not a good pass. He got lucky.


So overall... he led several good drives and he managed the game. I think he played an excellent Bill Parcells type game today. He did make two major mistakes (the short pass to the flat that should have been picked and the TD pass where he threw across the field) but he also showed excellent maturity. He wasn't flustered with being forced to the use the two early timeouts and he didn't try to force most of his passes. He also wasn't looking to run before pass.

Overall I'd give him a 7 out of 10 for today. He has certainly improved, but I need to see more. The game should be playing out in slow motion for him in Europe. This are really not good players on the other team.

[hendog]

:hammer:


Ditto

[jterrell]

I really don't get the polarization with Henson or Romo; or Carter or Hutch for that matter.

This isn't an either/or proposition. Guys can either make it in the league or they can't. I'd love to see EVERY Cowboy succeed in the NFL and then let the better player at the position succeed here while we move those who are slightly lesser for trade value or somesuch.

The TEAM does not benefit from anyone sucking.
How any Cowboy fan could routinely root for any Cowboy player to uniformly fail is beyond me. It truly is.

There have been guys I wished got cut such as Dixon and Lynn Scott but that is because of their level of play and I NEVER wished them failure on the field for the Cowboys; I have just hoped they were replaced by better players.

Given my preference both Henson and Romo would show they can play in the NFL. Heck Philly got what a 2nd for that bum backup QB(Feeley?) they traded to the Phins? I can live with having too many good players a lot better than not having enough.

As long as Henson is completing a reasonable percentage of his passes and helping his team win games forget the overanalysis. Every QB makes bad throws. Every QB makes decisions folks watching on TV will disagree with and half the time the coaching staffs are applauding those same decisions.

If for any reason you don't like a player on the Cowboys for whatever reason just stop reading posts about that player or posting about him for goodness sakes.

As a fan you come here to support your players not defend them from ceaseless attacks by other fans of the same team.

[Hostile]

I really don't get the polarization with Henson or Romo; or Carter or Hutch for that matter.

This isn't an either/or proposition. Guys can either make it in the league or they can't. I'd love to see EVERY Cowboy succeed in the NFL and then let the better player at the position succeed here while we move those who are slightly lesser for trade value or somesuch.

The TEAM does not benefit from anyone sucking.
How any Cowboy fan could routinely root for any Cowboy player to uniformly fail is beyond me. It truly is.

There have been guys I wished got cut such as Dixon and Lynn Scott but that is because of their level of play and I NEVER wished them failure on the field for the Cowboys; I have just hoped they were replaced by better players.

Given my preference both Henson and Romo would show they can play in the NFL. Heck Philly got what a 2nd for that bum backup QB(Feeley?) they traded to the Phins? I can live with having too many good players a lot better than not having enough.

As long as Henson is completing a reasonable percentage of his passes and helping his team win games forget the overanalysis. Every QB makes bad throws. Every QB makes decisions folks watching on TV will disagree with and half the time the coaching staffs are applauding those same decisions.

If for any reason you don't like a player on the Cowboys for whatever reason just stop reading posts about that player or posting about him for goodness sakes.

As a fan you come here to support your players not defend them from ceaseless attacks by other fans of the same team.IMO JT this polarization started with the Q vs. Hutch stuff and hasn't gone away. A lot of it is about mobile QBs vs. Pocket Passers. The theories on which are better are divided. That is why so many were excited about getting Q, while so many others didn't like him.

Q's first year he had some detractors, but nothing like what happened year 2 when we signed Hutch. It went ballistic. I think it went so badly that people began to harbor ill will for other posters and they still have that ill will today.

The worst thing Henson could have done is play baseball. Immediately he's the 2nd coming of Hutch and the whole stupid fiasco has wings again. What has this meant for Romo? Must find something really negative about him to combat it. Focus on his golf game.

In between let's ignore that they play for the Cowboys and it is in our best interest that both develop. As often as possible let's find a reason to trash one of them so that the old wars never die.

I guess these folks don't realize we signed TO. There's new grist for the mill. QB wars are old news. C'est la vie.

[cowboy4life]

Davey wound up playing with the Pats that season and then was cut a year later.

To Henson's credit, Davey was a completely different story as he had never taken significant time away from the NFL. He was also never nearly highly as touted as Henson was.

I think it's important that Henson plays well, but he doesn't exactly have to light it up. With his natural ability, as long as he keeps improving incrementally, he's in good shape.

Rich............

Rohan Davey will make some team a hell of a QB. When you have an all Pro quarterback like Tom Brady playing in front of you, you don't have much chance of playing.

Henson, though I hadn't watched the tape of the game yet, seems to me to have the right atitude about this. However, if it were up to me, I would draft a quarterback in this year's draft. The odds of either Henson or Romo being the next Cowboys great quarterback are slim. I would rather have someone that actually played Div I football for four years prior to coming out on this roster to push one of these guys outta here.

[Hostile]

Rohan Davey will make some team a hell of a QB. When you have an all Pro quarterback like Tom Brady playing in front of you, you don't have much chance of playing.

Henson, though I hadn't watched the tape of the game yet, seems to me to have the right atitude about this. However, if it were up to me, I would draft a quarterback in this year's draft. The odds of either Henson or Romo being the next Cowboys great quarterback are slim. I would rather have someone that actually played Div I football for four years prior to coming out on this roster to push one of these guys outta here.I would draft a QB almost every year.I would always have a QB on the Practice Squad. We've done a poor job of developing QBs. It bothers me. We should have had someone in the wings to replace Aikman. Instead we had to reach in the Draft. Since then we've had to use guys who made their reputations somewhere else.

[jterrell]

IMO JT this polarization started with the Q vs. Hutch stuff and hasn't gone away. A lot of it is about mobile QBs vs. Pocket Passers. The theories on which are better are divided. That is why so many were excited about getting Q, while so many others didn't like him.

Q's first year he had some detractors, but nothing like what happened year 2 when we signed Hutch. It went ballistic. I think it went so badly that people began to harbor ill will for other posters and they still have that ill will today.

The worst thing Henson could have done is play baseball. Immediately he's the 2nd coming of Hutch and the whole stupid fiasco has wings again. What has this meant for Romo? Must find something really negative about him to combat it. Focus on his golf game.

In between let's ignore that they play for the Cowboys and it is in our best interest that both develop. As often as possible let's find a reason to trash one of them so that the old wars never die.

I guess these folks don't realize we signed TO. There's new grist for the mill. QB wars are old news. C'est la vie.

I don't know for sure about that direct correlation because Henson is as mobile as Q was. Thats really the reason he had such high prospect status. The guy is a great natural athlete. He was a 3rd baseman not a pitcher. Q played baseball too.

Theoretical arguments like mobile versus immobile again are just theory.

I prefer mobile QBs but I certainly wouldn't prefer Bledsoe who is the very definition of immobile be benched for a young unproven mobile guy. Bledsoe was the guy most often touted as being the Hutchinson role model and I argued argaints the overall ability of Hucth many times. And I still near tear up at thinking of Bledsoe because we finally have a real NFL QB.

But for me this nonsense goes beyond QB. It happens at LB, FB, WR, heck almost everywhere. If one person prefers one guy then all of a sudden the other guy needs to be scrutinized every snap and rooted against.

On a very well moderated board such as this I'd guess about 80% of the flames correspond directly to folks bashing players on the team and others taking major offense. I juts don't get the vitriole towards our own players.

[cowboy4life]

Oh oh I know
























Agenda?

No agenda here. I thought that we wasted a third round pick on this guy. If he can't beat out Tony Romo, he's third string. I would love to see progression from Henson, that is one of the reasons why I am watching the games. I hadn't watched this game yet, but thank God for DVR. I can watch at my leisure.

As far as last week goes, that field was terrible. The game should have been postponed. Hopefully Henson continues playing well. You would expect this to continue, but I still think another quarterback will be on this roster before training camp. Minicamps start in May, I think that Henson will need to get some arm rest before July.

I am hoping that the Cowboys draft a quarterback this year, if for no other agenda than improving this team.

[jterrell]

I would draft a QB almost every year.I would always have a QB on the Practice Squad. We've done a poor job of developing QBs. It bothers me. We should have had someone in the wings to replace Aikman. Instead we had to reach in the Draft. Since then we've had to use guys who made their reputations somewhere else.

I agree.

We handled Carter and Hutch so poorly.
Neither guy should have taken a snap as a rookie. Not a single one.

No one needs more development time then guys who are raw and both guys were as raw as roadkill.

Too many teams think you can lose through a QBs development but you can't. The QB and the team get used to losing. They don't see the rewards for putting in the time and effort and ultimately stop doing it.

Sure it worked with Aikman but that was because it got turned around so quickly and when it was going bad Aikman was asking for a trade and Jimmy was seriously thinking of building around Steve Walsh for cripessake. Not only that but those first 2 years Aikman took hits that probably cost us at least one more Super Bowl run.

Thats why I like the way we are handling the kids now. I want them to succeed and all of us knew that Q wasn't succeeding as a rookie and neither was Hutch. Q was god awful, a total abomination and Hutch was almost as bad. Both guys ended up head cases lacking confidence in their own abilities.

Jerry ruined Carter and Coslet ruined Hutch. They sold the stock before it had matured and paid a huge penalty.

[Hostile]

I agree.

We handled Carter and Hutch so poorly.
Neither guy should have taken a snap as a rookie. Not a single one.

No one needs more development time then guys who are raw and both guys were as raw as roadkill.

Too many teams think you can lose through a QBs development but you can't. The QB and the team get used to losing. They don't see the rewards for putting in the time and effort and ultimately stop doing it.

Sure it worked with Aikman but that was because it got turned around so quickly and when it was going bad Aikman was asking for a trade and Jimmy was seriously thinking of building around Steve Walsh for cripessake. Not only that but those first 2 years Aikman took hits that probably cost us at least one more Super Bowl run.

Thats why I like the way we are handling the kids now. I want them to succeed and all of us knew that Q wasn't succeeding as a rookie and neither was Hutch. Q was god awful, a total abomination and Hutch was almost as bad. Both guys ended up head cases lacking confidence in their own abilities.

Jerry ruined Carter and Coslet ruined Hutch. They sold the stock before it had matured and paid a huge penalty.Great post.

I look at Green Bay as an example. They traded for Favre and he turned out to be great. Look at guys that they drafted then traded away who start/started elsewhere and play/played fairly well.

Aaron Brooks
Mark Brunnell
Matt Hasselbeck

I'd take a laundry list like that any day. Our laundry list reads.

Quincy Carter...out of the game.
Chad Hutchinson...outof the game.

The sad thing is neither of them has to be out of the game, but they weren't developed correctly. Being a backup QB who can get the job done is no sin. If you figure each team has 3 QBs that's 96 job openings. Not an easy lineup to crack.

I'm not averse to starting unproven rookies, but I admit, it isn't favorable. The QB you do start as a rookie needs to be pretty together because it is a bumpy road. Fragile egos need not apply at that age.

[jterrell]

Great post.

I look at Green Bay as an example. They traded for Favre and he turned out to be great. Look at guys that they drafted then traded away who start/started elsewhere and play/played fairly well.

Aaron Brooks
Mark Brunnell
Matt Hasselbeck

I'd take a laundry list like that any day. Our laundry list reads.

Quincy Carter...out of the game.
Chad Hutchinson...outof the game.

The sad thing is neither of them has to be out of the game, but they weren't developed correctly. Being a backup QB who can get the job done is no sin. If you figure each team has 3 QBs that's 96 job openings. Not an easy lineup to crack.

I'm not averse to starting unproven rookies, but I admit, it isn't favorable. The QB you do start as a rookie needs to be pretty together because it is a bumpy road. Fragile egos need not apply at that age.

GB is the role model there for sure and of course we now have the guy who set up the development for all those players as a consultant. Ron Wolf offered high praise in print to both Romo and Henson.

If a guy like Ben R starts becaus eof injury then finds ways to win games AWESOME but going into a seaosn intending to start a rookie is an easy way to lose a guy. Right now there are some questions about Eli Manning that wouldn't be present had he been brought along a tad more slowly IMHO. I like the way Cincy handled Carson Palmer and Minny handled Culpepper.

David Carr, Harrington and however many other QBs could have just used some bench time to get their head around the offense and what it takes to prepare. If you can invest a top 5 pick on a QB surely you can invest in a journeyman vet to buy you one season.

[cowboy4life]

I would draft a QB almost every year.I would always have a QB on the Practice Squad. We've done a poor job of developing QBs. It bothers me. We should have had someone in the wings to replace Aikman. Instead we had to reach in the Draft. Since then we've had to use guys who made their reputations somewhere else.


Absolutely Hostile. QB is the most difficult position on the field to learn and excel at. If it were up to me, I'd have four quarterbacks on the roster. Look at what teams like Green Bay have done. Favre has been around for years, but look at how many quarterbacks that have passed through Green Bay and gone on to have solid careers in their own right. Matt Hasselback and Aaron Brooks both were drafted by Green Bay and gone on via trade to become solid players.

Jerry Jones has had the wrong approach on this for years. Parcells like veterans but there is no reason why you can't draft a fourth or fifth round prospect every year to prepare for the future.

[Ken]

Great post.

I look at Green Bay as an example. They traded for Favre and he turned out to be great. Look at guys that they drafted then traded away who start/started elsewhere and play/played fairly well.

Aaron Brooks
Mark Brunnell
Matt Hasselbeck

I'd take a laundry list like that any day. Our laundry list reads.

Quincy Carter...out of the game.
Chad Hutchinson...outof the game.

The sad thing is neither of them has to be out of the game, but they weren't developed correctly. Being a backup QB who can get the job done is no sin. If you figure each team has 3 QBs that's 96 job openings. Not an easy lineup to crack.

I'm not averse to starting unproven rookies, but I admit, it isn't favorable. The QB you do start as a rookie needs to be pretty together because it is a bumpy road. Fragile egos need not apply at that age.


I don't want to turn this into a Q thread but....

I agree that Hutch was brought along the wrong way.

To an extent, at least his first year, Q was too.

But Q is not out of the league because of his play at qb. His drug problem has him out of the league. If he didn't have that problem, *Gasp*, he would still be our qb.

:eek:

[Hostile]

I don't want to turn this into a Q thread but....

I agree that Hutch was brought along the wrong way.

To an extent, at least his first year, Q was too.

But Q is not out of the league because of his play at qb. His drug problem has him out of the league. If he didn't have that problem, *Gasp*, he would still be our qb.

:eek:Gonna disagree with you because he wasn't waived because of the drug problem.

[dbair1967]

Sure it worked with Aikman but that was because it got turned around so quickly and when it was going bad Aikman was asking for a trade and Jimmy was seriously thinking of building around Steve Walsh for cripessake.

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the above is absolutely not true according to Leigh Steinberg, Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman

Steinberg says he went to Aikman right after the 89 season and asked Troy if he wanted to request a trade to get out of there, and Aikman said no that he wanted to make it work...Jimmy says he never gave any real consideration at all to ever trading Aikman

David

[dbair1967]

I don't want to turn this into a Q thread but....

I agree that Hutch was brought along the wrong way.

To an extent, at least his first year, Q was too.

But Q is not out of the league because of his play at qb. His drug problem has him out of the league. If he didn't have that problem, *Gasp*, he would still be our qb.

:eek:

no he wouldnt...

David

[lspain1]

If you can invest a top 5 pick on a QB surely you can invest in a journeyman vet to buy you one season.

This is correct. and right now we have so much more than a 'journeyman vet' in Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe is a perfect quarterback to provide excellent play while you are developing you next qb. Bledsoe seems to have the on-field skills and work ethic and the leadership skills necessary to assist a qb to develop. I want Henson or Romo to succeed but I also would not hestitate to try others lower down in the draft who have a chance to succeed as well.

We have an excellent opportunity and a well defined window to develop our next qb. This is an important offseason to make that selection because it is the right time to make the commitment.

[jterrell]

the above is absolutely not true according to Leigh Steinberg, Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman

Steinberg says he went to Aikman right after the 89 season and asked Troy if he wanted to request a trade to get out of there, and Aikman said no that he wanted to make it work...Jimmy says he never gave any real consideration at all to ever trading Aikman

David
Aikman talked to Johnson at length about their feud and Johnson got him into tropical fish. Johnson tells the story every year man its not exactly a secret.

At the end of their rookie season's Jimster took a poll of all Cowboys assistants and asked which ones thought Aikman/Walsh should start. Only 2 said Aikman. Jerry Rhome and 1 other rumored to have been Dave Campo. Jimmy knew he had to get rid of one of them and the personnel dept wanted Aikman by a mile.

Bob Ackles was running personnel and threw such hissies over Walsh playing that Jerry was forced to give Jimmy more personnel control or risk losing him.

Aikman has stated many times he told Johnson to play him or to trade him.

In comes Norv Turner and well the rest is Super Bowl history. Thats also why Norv Turner is introducing Aikman and gets credit from Aikman as being the one responsible for directing his career and getting the team to the Super Bowl.

Jimmy did not want to draft Aikman, didn't really want Emmitt and had inherited the one guy he would have absolutely drafted, Irvin.

What did Jimmy have against Troy: "He had never won anything and Walsh had won for me at Miami." Thats a direct quote from Jimmy in his own autobiography.

[CaptainAmerica]

Aikman talked to Johnson at length about their feud and Johnson got him into tropical fish. Johnson tells the story every year man its not exactly a secret.

At the end of their rookie season's Jimster took a poll of all Cowboys assistants and asked which ones thought Aikman/Walsh should start. Only 2 said Aikman. Jerry Rhome and 1 other rumored to have been Dave Campo. Jimmy knew he had to get rid of one of them and the personnel dept wanted Aikman by a mile.

Bob Ackles was running personnel and threw such hissies over Walsh playing that Jerry was forced to give Jimmy more personnel control or risk losing him.

Aikman has stated many times he told Johnson to play him or to trade him.

In comes Norv Turner and well the rest is Super Bowl history. Thats also why Norv Turner is introducing Aikman and gets credit from Aikman as being the one responsible for directing his career and getting the team to the Super Bowl.

Jimmy did not want to draft Aikman, didn't really want Emmitt and had inherited the one guy he would have absolutely drafted, Irvin.

What did Jimmy have against Troy: "He had never won anything and Walsh had won for me at Miami." Thats a direct quote from Jimmy in his own autobiography.


Is that you, Skip? :)

[dbair1967]

Aikman talked to Johnson at length about their feud and Johnson got him into tropical fish. Johnson tells the story every year man its not exactly a secret.

At the end of their rookie season's Jimster took a poll of all Cowboys assistants and asked which ones thought Aikman/Walsh should start. Only 2 said Aikman. Jerry Rhome and 1 other rumored to have been Dave Campo. Jimmy knew he had to get rid of one of them and the personnel dept wanted Aikman by a mile.

Bob Ackles was running personnel and threw such hissies over Walsh playing that Jerry was forced to give Jimmy more personnel control or risk losing him.

Aikman has stated many times he told Johnson to play him or to trade him.

In comes Norv Turner and well the rest is Super Bowl history. Thats also why Norv Turner is introducing Aikman and gets credit from Aikman as being the one responsible for directing his career and getting the team to the Super Bowl.

Jimmy did not want to draft Aikman, didn't really want Emmitt and had inherited the one guy he would have absolutely drafted, Irvin.

What did Jimmy have against Troy: "He had never won anything and Walsh had won for me at Miami." Thats a direct quote from Jimmy in his own autobiography.

I have no idea where you get this stuff at...you post it every few months, yet whenever I see Jimmy, Aikman or Leigh Steinberg TALK about this publicly they say NOTHING of the sort...

if you are quoitng from Jimmy's book you surely must have read some of it, and all of what you say about Aikman "demanding" a trade, Jimmy "not wanting" Aikman or "not wanting to draft" Aikman are totally untrue

unless you are somehow privvy to info that nobody else on the face of the world is, your just blindly speculating or reading stuff into something that was never there

David

[dbair1967]

Aikman has stated many times he told Johnson to play him or to trade him.

In comes Norv Turner and well the rest is Super Bowl history. Thats also why Norv Turner is introducing Aikman and gets credit from Aikman as being the one responsible for directing his career and getting the team to the Super Bowl.

.

as for above, remind us again who got shipped out for the 1990 season, and who the starting QB was here...

Norv Turner arrived in 1991 and had nothing to do with helping Jimmy pick Aikman over Walsh

Aikman never sat on the pine behind Walsh...had Aikman not been injured as a rookie Walsh would have never played a down here in a regular season game

David

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gonna disagree with you because he wasn't waived because of the drug problem.

Im not really into conspiracy theories. Carter liked cocaine and that more than any other reason was the cause of his downfall.

Carter showed flashes of being able to play at an high level. That game against San Fran, then a playoff team, was not a fluke.

There is no question in my mind that it was his inability to turn down rails when placed in front of him is what led him to regress.

[Hostile]

Im not really into conspiracy theories. Carter liked cocaine and that more than any other reason was the cause of his downfall.

Carter showed flashes of being able to play at an high level. That game against San Fran, then a playoff team, was not a fluke.

There is no question in my mind that it was his inability to turn down rails when placed in front of him is what led him to regress.You can believe what you want Fuzzy. No skin off my nose.

I'll go by some things I learned in March of 2004, a full 5 months before he was sent packing or had a relapse.

[CaptainAmerica]

You can believe what you want Fuzzy. No skin off my nose.

I'll go by some things I learned in March of 2004, a full 5 months before he was sent packing or had a relapse.


Come on Hos, share with us what you heard.

It was well known that Q had "problems" at Georgia, so it was really no surprise that he ultimately failed in Dallas.

What else did you hear?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can believe what you want Fuzzy. No skin off my nose.

I'll go by some things I learned in March of 2004, a full 5 months before he was sent packing or had a relapse.

Like I said conspiracy theories. So what is it that im supposed to believe? That you know something but you cant tell me? Please dont waste my time.

Really not to talk smack but you say you dont want unfounded claims that cant be substantiated posted on the site. This is no better.

If you cant say what it was that you 'learned,' then whats the point of even mentioning it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And on another note HH you are completely clueless. You keep on babbling about regressing and how we should cut ties because of it. Perhaps you should watch the games. Granted its only one game BUT:

1) Henson is showing accuracy. You can tell he is hitting his spots in the intermediate game as he is throwing low and away to the outside shoulder etc as the coverage dictates. Swing passes are hit in stride.

2) He is reacting we to pressure. He sesnes the pass rush collapsing the pocket is pump faking to slow it down a bit, rolling away from it, etc and still finding open receivers.

Really I think you should watch the guy play football before spouting off. If this is regressing Ill take it every day of the week. The point is he needs to see some live reaction and it appears that he is responding well.

What I really wish people would get is what is good for Henso, Romo, Bledsoe. Al Singleton et al is good for the Cowboys.

[5Stars]

Like I said conspiracy theories. So what is it that im supposed to believe? That you know something but you cant tell me? Please dont waste my time.

Really not to talk smack but you say you dont want unfounded claims that cant be substantiated posted on the site. This is no better.

If you cant say what it was that you 'learned,' then whats the point of even mentioning it.

Hey, fuzzy, I'm pretty sure I know what Hostile is refering to...I got to read what was going down prior to Quincy Carter's demise...and like they say, "What happens in the locker room...stays in the locker room"!

And, it was not about drugs! That is all I will say...but, it is fact, not rumor! It is just something that should not, and most likely not, ever brought up again....! :cool:

QC made a bed that he could not even sleep in....it was that bad...

[5Stars]

Come on Hos, share with us what you heard.

It was well known that Q had "problems" at Georgia, so it was really no surprise that he ultimately failed in Dallas.

What else did you hear?

I don't think Hostile will ever reveal that information...it's really not worth it...

But, what Hostile claims, and if it is what I think it is...I know the same thing!

CaptainAmerica...it had nothing to do with drugs...it was a locker room incident...that's all.

So, just drop this subject....

[Hostile]

Come on Hos, share with us what you heard.

It was well known that Q had "problems" at Georgia, so it was really no surprise that he ultimately failed in Dallas.

What else did you hear?

Like I said conspiracy theories. So what is it that im supposed to believe? That you know something but you cant tell me? Please dont waste my time.

Really not to talk smack but you say you dont want unfounded claims that cant be substantiated posted on the site. This is no better.

If you cant say what it was that you 'learned,' then whats the point of even mentioning it.I've shared it a couple of other times, so it's no big secret.

I got a tip in March 2004 that Q was going to be gone "unless he goes into TC and sets the world on fire." Not my words. The plan to use Testaverde was already in place (even though he was still Jets property) and I personally didn't like it. The Cowboys knew he'd be released. They were either going to go with him or Kurt Warner. Bill's familiarity with Vinny won out much to my chagrin.

I did tell this to a couple of posters, but I never shared it on the forum as a whole because I knew what the fallout would be. Go back and look at posts for August 2004 when Q was released. You'll find I was strangely quiet. When was I ever quiet about Q? Exactly, I wasn't.

Remember when he (Vinny) was signed, he was told he would "compete for the job." Why would they say that if Q was going to be the guy? Bledsoe was never told that he would compete for the job. That was just the language they used to not tip their hands.

The Cowboys felt they could not trust Q. I'm sorry, that's a fact they have stated repeatedly. It didn't have anything to do with drugs as they have repeatedly maintained. If anyone wants to believe the Cowboys are lying, please be my guest. I won't understand that, but to each his own.

Q had reverted to his actions of 2002 that led to his benching. In other words, hewas moody, demanding meetings with Jerry, etc. The same stuff JFE wrote about in October of 2002.

Bill Parcells did not even know Q had tested positive, and it was his call to release Q. Please look up the NFL rules if you doubt this. The owner is notified but forbidden to let the Head Coach know of the results. Again, that's just a fact.

People are free to believe whatever they want. If you want to believe Q was waived due to drugs, by all means believe it. That isn't the facts, but I can't prove it. No one can. Not even Jerry or Bill or Stephen combined. They could deny it was over drugs all day long at the top of their lungs and it wouldn't prove anything.

I can't remember if the arbitrator has ruled on this or not. Trust me when I say there will be no evidence the Cowboys waived him over drugs.

On his ill fated interview on the Hardline even Q himself said he wasn't released due to drug use. I found that funny because that is what his complaint against the Cowboys is based on, but that's what the man said.

The bottom line is, I am not trying to change Fuzzy's opinion on the matter. I just threw it out there for him and anyone else to consider. There it is, do with it what you will.

[Rack Bauer]

I agree.

We handled Carter and Hutch so poorly.
Neither guy should have taken a snap as a rookie. Not a single one.

No one needs more development time then guys who are raw and both guys were as raw as roadkill.

Too many teams think you can lose through a QBs development but you can't. The QB and the team get used to losing. They don't see the rewards for putting in the time and effort and ultimately stop doing it.

Sure it worked with Aikman but that was because it got turned around so quickly and when it was going bad Aikman was asking for a trade and Jimmy was seriously thinking of building around Steve Walsh for cripessake. Not only that but those first 2 years Aikman took hits that probably cost us at least one more Super Bowl run.

Thats why I like the way we are handling the kids now. I want them to succeed and all of us knew that Q wasn't succeeding as a rookie and neither was Hutch. Q was god awful, a total abomination and Hutch was almost as bad. Both guys ended up head cases lacking confidence in their own abilities.

Jerry ruined Carter and Coslet ruined Hutch. They sold the stock before it had matured and paid a huge penalty.

Agree with almost all of it. The only difference is Hutch wasn't "almost as bad" as Carter. He was worse then Carter. By a longshot.



As far as why Carter isn't here. Drugs isn't the only reason he's gone. But it is the biggest reason, IMO.

[bbgun]

Agree with almost all of it. The only difference is Hutch wasn't "almost as bad" as Carter. He was worse then Carter. By a longshot.

Agreed. Both had skills, and both wasted time on the diamond, but Q did lead us to the playoffs. Well, him and a very proficient defense.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've shared it a couple of other times, so it's no big secret.

I got a tip in March 2004 that Q was going to be gone "unless he goes into TC and sets the world on fire." Not my words. The plan to use Testaverde was already in place (even though he was still Jets property) and I personally didn't like it. The Cowboys knew he'd be released. They were either going to go with him or Kurt Warner. Bill's familiarity with Vinny won out much to my chagrin.

I did tell this to a couple of posters, but I never shared it on the forum as a whole because I knew what the fallout would be. Go back and look at posts for August 2004 when Q was released. You'll find I was strangely quiet. When was I ever quiet about Q? Exactly, I wasn't.

Remember when he (Vinny) was signed, he was told he would "compete for the job." Why would they say that if Q was going to be the guy? Bledsoe was never told that he would compete for the job. That was just the language they used to not tip their hands.

The Cowboys felt they could not trust Q. I'm sorry, that's a fact they have stated repeatedly. It didn't have anything to do with drugs as they have repeatedly maintained. If anyone wants to believe the Cowboys are lying, please be my guest. I won't understand that, but to each his own.

Q had reverted to his actions of 2002 that led to his benching. In other words, hewas moody, demanding meetings with Jerry, etc. The same stuff JFE wrote about in October of 2002.

Bill Parcells did not even know Q had tested positive, and it was his call to release Q. Please look up the NFL rules if you doubt this. The owner is notified but forbidden to let the Head Coach know of the results. Again, that's just a fact.

People are free to believe whatever they want. If you want to believe Q was waived due to drugs, by all means believe it. That isn't the facts, but I can't prove it. No one can. Not even Jerry or Bill or Stephen combined. They could deny it was over drugs all day long at the top of their lungs and it wouldn't prove anything.

I can't remember if the arbitrator has ruled on this or not. Trust me when I say there will be no evidence the Cowboys waived him over drugs.

On his ill fated interview on the Hardline even Q himself said he wasn't released due to drug use. I found that funny because that is what his complaint against the Cowboys is based on, but that's what the man said.

The bottom line is, I am not trying to change Fuzzy's opinion on the matter. I just threw it out there for him and anyone else to consider. There it is, do with it what you will.

I can go with that but you cannot tell me that a lot of that behaviour does not reek of drug use.

I dont know if youve ever been around serious cokeheads but moodiness is a definite sign. Meglomania is another. Really its immaterial; the guy had all the talent in the world and his attitude whther drug induced or not destroyed his career.

thats why I really look poorly on Carter. After that performance against a pretty good 49ers team, i was one of his biggest supporters. He let the franchise down whatever the reason.

[Hostile]

I can go with that but you cannot tell me that a lot of that behaviour does not reek of drug use.

I dont know if youve ever been around serious cokeheads but moodiness is a definite sign. Meglomania is another. Really its immaterial; the guy had all the talent in the world and his attitude whther drug induced or not destroyed his career.

thats why I really look poorly on Carter. After that performance against a pretty good 49ers team, i was one of his biggest supporters. He let the franchise down whatever the reason.I agree with you Fuzzy, and yes it does. I have a brother who has been a slave to that one off and on for years.

I'm sure the team suspected he had relapsed at times. These rumors have dogged him since his Georgia days.

The bottom line is he was his own worst enemy, not the detractors in the media or message boards.

[CaptainAmerica]

I agree with you Fuzzy, and yes it does. I have a brother who has been a slave to that one off and on for years.

I'm sure the team suspected he had relapsed at times. These rumors have dogged him since his Georgia days.

The bottom line is he was his own worst enemy, not the detractors in the media or message boards.


Hos,

I understand where you are coming from now. The guy was simply not cut out to be the leader of a professional football team.

I remember later that year hearing Jerry interviewed on the Westwood One radio broadcast of a Monday Night Football game we were playing. I forget exactly what he said, but I remember he basically said and he left the clear and unmistakeable impression that they had decided to go with Vinny and cut their ties with Q well before the failed drug test issue.

[CactusCowboy]

17/24 against what? I went 20/24 in high school afgainst a very good football team????? Can the European league be that much better.....Henson sucks!

[blindzebra]

HH has competition afterall.:laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

HH has competition afterall.:laugh2:

Seriously, were you possibly absent the day they discussed "opinions" in 3rd grade english? Maybe the chicken pox?

[blindzebra]

Seriously, were you possibly absent the day they discussed "sarcasm" in 3rd grade english? Maybe the chicken pox?

I'd say someone missed a lot more than one day.

Remedial football 101 is in the article zone for anyone interested.

[The30YardSlant]

I'd say someone missed a lot more than one day.

Remedial football 101 is in the article zone for anyone interested.

Part 1 of "Remedial life" will be aired at 9 tonight on the Discovery channel. Be sure to tune in.

I've forgotton more about football than you will ever know, such as I've forgotton what it's like to have ayoung, talented quarterback.

[blindzebra]

Part 1 of "Remedial life" will be aired at 9 tonight on the Discovery channel. Be sure to tune in.

I've forgotton more about football than you will ever know, such as I've forgotton what it's like to have ayoung, talented quarterback.

Since you've inherited the Nors thrown:

YAWN

Trouble is we haven't forgotten that 30 yard slant, Cunningham over Aikman, or Jim Brown not in your top 10.

[The30YardSlant]

Since you've inherited the Nors thrown:

YAWN

Hey, anytime you want some more lessons on how many bad games Tony Romo has had in his career, feel free to ask "New Nors". :)

[The30YardSlant]

Since you've inherited the Nors thrown:

YAWN

Trouble is we haven't forgotten that 30 yard slant, Cunningham over Aikman, or Jim Brown not in your top 10.

30 yard slant: Admitted brain fart

Cunningham over Aikman: Yes, Randall Cunningham was the better athlete and the better overall player. Troy Aikman had a better arm.

Jim Brown: Nope, nobody from his era can be placed in the top 10 all-time because comparing players from that era to todays steroid induced, freakish athlete isnt accurate nor fair to today's athletes.

[SultanOfSix]

Cunningham over Aikman: Yes, Randall Cunningham was the better athlete and the better overall player. Troy Aikman had a better arm.


Aikman was the better QB. That's all that matters.


Jim Brown: Nope, nobody from his era can be placed in the top 10 all-time because comparing players from that era to todays steroid induced, freakish athlete isnt accurate nor fair to today's athletes.

Irrelevant. You make comparisons that are relevant to their time. JB was a freak for his time. Kind of like Bo Jackson was a freak for his time (prior to his injury).

[Double Trouble]

Cunningham over Aikman: Yes, Randall Cunningham was the better athlete and the better overall player. Troy Aikman had a better arm.

Jim Brown: Nope, nobody from his era can be placed in the top 10 all-time because comparing players from that era to todays steroid induced, freakish athlete isnt accurate nor fair to today's athletes. Anyone who thinks either of those 2 things can't possibly expect to be taken seriously in a football discussion.

You're off to a good start as Nors' replacement.

[The30YardSlant]

Anyone who thinks either of those 2 things can't possibly expect to be taken seriously in a football discussion.

You're off to a good start as Nors' replacement.

Okay, give me something, anything, to prove that Randall Cunningham was not a better athlete than Troy Aikman.

[big dog cowboy]

Okay, give me something, anything, to prove that Randall Cunningham was not a better athlete than Troy Aikman.
Who cares which was a better athlete?

I would rather have a better QB than better athlete behind center.

Aikman > Cunningham.

[DallasDW00ds0n]

1 td in two games at NFLE?

how is that supposed to quiet down critics?

[Juke99]

Okay, give me something, anything, to prove that Randall Cunningham was not a better athlete than Troy Aikman.


Who's to say who the better "athlete" was...

Have you seen either guy play baseball? Bowl? Play tennis? Snow Ski? Play hoops? Water Ski? Play soccer?

[big dog cowboy]

1 td in two games at NFLE?

how is that supposed to quiet down critics?
Did you even see the game yesterday?

[Juke99]

1 td in two games at NFLE?

how is that supposed to quiet down critics?


Progress is what we are looking for...week one, he was as rusty as you'd expect...I believe this was only the 11th game that he's started since High School...

So was he better in week two than he was in week one?

You bet.

[The30YardSlant]

Who's to say who the better "athlete" was...

Have you seen either guy play baseball? Bowl? Play tennis? Snow Ski? Play hoops? Water Ski? Play soccer?

Nah, I've seen Cunningham run faster, jump higher, and pull more amzing moves to avoid pressure.

[Juke99]

Nah, I've seen Cunningham run faster, jump higher, and pull more amzing moves to avoid pressure.


Good...that means he runs faster and jumps higher...

So he wins in running and jumping.

My point is, we can't call a guy a better athlete simply because he has more mobility.

An athlete is a rather all encompassing term...

Granted, I think Cunningham did some amazing things on a football field...but I still wouldn't call him a better "athlete".

[Cbz40]

Who's to say who the better "athlete" was...

Have you seen either guy play baseball? Bowl? Play tennis? Snow Ski? Play hoops? Water Ski? Play soccer?


No but I stayed in a Holliday Inn Express last night.....:lmao:

[The30YardSlant]

Good...that means he runs faster and jumps higher...

So he wins in running and jumping.

My point is, we can't call a guy a better athlete simply because he has more mobility.

An athlete is a rather all encompassing term...

Granted, I think Cunningham did some amazing things on a football field...but I still wouldn't call him a better "athlete".

A better athlete is who has better athletic ability. Running a 4.4 40 is an athletic ability. Jumping 40 inches is athletic ability. Throwing a ball 70 yards is not an athletic ability. Being smarter on the field is not an athletic ability.

[Dave_in-NC]

No but I stayed in a Holliday Inn Express last night.....:lmao:

:lmao: :lmao2:

[The30YardSlant]

No but I stayed in a Holliday Inn Express last night.....:lmao:

:laugh2:

[Juke99]

No but I stayed in a Holliday Inn Express last night.....:lmao:


I see you've been skipping your meds again. :eek: :p:

[Cbz40]

I see you've been skipping your meds again. :eek: :p:


:lmao2: Well actually...nevermind.

Evening juke ol'e buddy.

[Juke99]

A better athlete is who has better athletic ability. Running a 4.4 40 is an athletic ability. Jumping 40 inches is athletic ability. Throwing a ball 70 yards is not an athletic ability. Being smarter on the field is not an athletic ability.


So, water skiing is not an athletic endeavor?

You've determined on your own what is an athletic event and what isn't.

My dad was a great athlete...he could do anything...hand him a ping pong paddle and he'd kick your butt at ping pong...hand him a basketball, and he shoot the tar out of it...put him on skis and he'd be an ace in no time...he was a natural athlete.

Running and jumping require ZERO coordination.

Im not impressed.

[Juke99]

:lmao2: Well actually...nevermind.

Evening juke ol'e buddy.

Hey Santiago...I'm gonna hand HH31 over to ya...I'm going to bed.

I wish I could give you a better gift. :eek: :D

[Cbz40]

Hey Santiago...I'm gonna hand HH31 over to ya...I'm going to bed.

I wish I could give you a better gift. :eek: :D

Thanks ....... me and my big mouth. :rolleyes:

OK HH where in the heck are you????

[The30YardSlant]

So, water skiing is not an athletic endeavor?

You've determined on your own what is an athletic event and what isn't.

My dad was a great athlete...he could do anything...hand him a ping pong paddle and he'd kick your butt at ping pong...hand him a basketball, and he shoot the tar out of it...put him on skis and he'd be an ace in no time...he was a natural athlete.

Running and jumping require ZERO coordination.

Im not impressed.

Hand-eye coordination: Athletic ability

I was simply reffering to the abilties of Aikman vs Cunningham on the football field. They wont bem skiing on the turf in Texas stadium.

And Ping-Pong is not sport :laugh2:

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Progress is what we are looking for...week one, he was as rusty as you'd expect...I believe this was only the 11th game that he's started since High School...

So was he better in week two than he was in week one?

You bet.

well if hes gonna plan on winning the Super Bowl for us, Id hope he could atleast have a 200 yard game in NFLE, and maybe more TD's than Alex Smith. i mean come on....does this guy look like a Super Bowl QB?

[Bob Sacamano]

Absolutely Hostile. QB is the most difficult position on the field to learn and excel at. If it were up to me, I'd have four quarterbacks on the roster. Look at what teams like Green Bay have done. Favre has been around for years, but look at how many quarterbacks that have passed through Green Bay and gone on to have solid careers in their own right. Matt Hasselback and Aaron Brooks both were drafted by Green Bay and gone on via trade to become solid players.

Jerry Jones has had the wrong approach on this for years. Parcells like veterans but there is no reason why you can't draft a fourth or fifth round prospect every year to prepare for the future.

GB drafted QBs in the lower rounds with the plan of developing them and shipping them off for higher draft picks, I don't see how GB is exactly a model for us

[cowboy4life]

What I mean by my last comment is that they did not wait for Favre to be on the way out the door before trying to find his replacement. Quarterbacks can be found everywhere in the draft. Just look at the last several Super Bowls.

[jterrell]

30 yard slant: Admitted brain fart

Cunningham over Aikman: Yes, Randall Cunningham was the better athlete and the better overall player. Troy Aikman had a better arm.

Jim Brown: Nope, nobody from his era can be placed in the top 10 all-time because comparing players from that era to todays steroid induced, freakish athlete isnt accurate nor fair to today's athletes.
Jim Brown ran a 4.5 at 240 pounds.

He didn't need steroids to be a freak of nature. If you watch even 5 mins of him on ESPN Classic there really isn't even a close 2nd best player of all time.

He was dragging 3 or 4 guys every play and would break free then outrun the secondary. They didnt pass much at all so every play he faced 9 in the box. It was like watching an adult play throw up tackle with a milk cartoon against a bunch of elementary school kids.

His stiff arms alone were worth the price of admission.

I thought Emmitt was the best ever in the mid 90s til I watched Brown on Classic.

[dbair1967]

Cunningham over Aikman: Yes, Randall Cunningham was the better athlete and the better overall player. Troy Aikman had a better arm.

.

:lmao2:
:lmao:

David

[Zippy Speedster]

Bad week to be a Henson critic...

In 2 1/2 years I haven't known one of those days. Still don't. It's always a good day to be a Henson critic. No real downside. Fooey what he did last week, it's high school football, who cares. He'll never be starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys so I don't.

[Jarv]

A better athlete is who has better athletic ability. Running a 4.4 40 is an athletic ability. Jumping 40 inches is athletic ability. Throwing a ball 70 yards is not an athletic ability. Being smarter on the field is not an athletic ability.

There is no doubt that Henson is more athletic than Bledsoe, so does that make Henson a better QB ?

[Doomsday]

Jim Brown ran a 4.5 at 240 pounds.

He didn't need steroids to be a freak of nature. If you watch even 5 mins of him on ESPN Classic there really isn't even a close 2nd best player of all time.
He was dragging 3 or 4 guys every play and would break free then outrun the secondary. They didnt pass much at all so every play he faced 9 in the box. It was like watching an adult play throw up tackle with a milk cartoon against a bunch of elementary school kids. .

Dragging 3 or 4 190 pound LBs back than is alot different than running over today's LBs. Olinemen were barely 250 pounds when he played. He was a freak of his time but today every team in the league has LBs that weigh 250 pounds and run 4.5 or 4.6.

Besides Brown gave up his ability to be called the greatest ever when he quit the game early. I admire him for being able to walk away and pursue other interests but with it he walked away from being the best ever. He was a great running back, but not the greatest. Just my opinion!

[iceberg]

A better athlete is who has better athletic ability. Running a 4.4 40 is an athletic ability. Jumping 40 inches is athletic ability. Throwing a ball 70 yards is not an athletic ability. Being smarter on the field is not an athletic ability.

throwing IS an ability, so you're already doggin the wrong trail on this one. in the end, this "aikman vs cunningham - who's the better athlete" reminds me of a cheers episode where they all sat around and wanted to know what movie had the most sweat.

who the hell cares. aikman succeeded in his chosen career very well. cunningham was ok.

[Juke99]

well if hes gonna plan on winning the Super Bowl for us, Id hope he could atleast have a 200 yard game in NFLE, and maybe more TD's than Alex Smith. i mean come on....does this guy look like a Super Bowl QB?


Can ya give the kid more than 2 games?

Geez.

I understand, by this type of thinking, this photograph...

http://www.dummocrats.com/images/x/2004/dewey_truman.gif

[Charles]

Bad week to be a Henson critic...
:lmao2: You're joking right............

I view Henson's past weekend accomplishments as a positive note to put in his near barren NFL resume. I think most Cowboy fans would, but in reality an outsider would view this performance no more significant than Hutchinson's performance as a rookie against Jacksonville.

When this past weekends game is put in it's right context..Henson critics shouldn't have anything to feel bad about.........If you don't believe me try posting this thread and title on any other teams website or general football forum.

Henson hasn't followed the normal progression expected from a player of his "pedigree" or physical attributes (whatever that means.........just ask Flutie or Sonny). But guys like Brad Johnson and Delhomme have proven NFLE can be a successful route, but after their 1st good showing in NFLE I doubt anyone thought their critics had a bad week.

I'd prefer if he were at Valley Ranch working with the new QB coach Chris Palmer, assimilating the new tweaks in the offense (because of the departure of Sean Payton) and building chemistry with the team during the Off-season work-out program.

Henson went to NFLE because he couldn't do enough on a regular NFL team to earn playing and development time. The 3 1/2 year lay-off excuse was put to bed :horse: by Parcells. Last year going into training camp Parcells clearly stated that Henson has had 2 solid off-season programs with the Cowboys in the same system, but he was unable to earn playing time or the back-up job.

That is why he's in NFLE. If the Cowboys are to draft a QB like Charlie Whitehurst..... Henson would be going into his 3rd year competing for a roster spot against an undrafted free agent in Romo and a QB selected in 3rd or 4th RD.


Sure is nice to see him playing this well, after that stinker last week... the difference, I think, lies in 3 key factors:

1) His coach is calling a more versatile and less predictable game... last week, it seemed like they ran the ball on EVERY first down...

2) The field last week was a mess, it not only hindered his receivers, but it probably hurt Drew's footwork too...

3) Drew just might have been nervous and uptight last week... if so, it does appear he's over it...

As I type this, Henson is 16 of 21 for 167 yards, just threw a NICE TD pass... his throws this week are on the money for the most part, a nice change from all those wild passes he threw last week... his QBR is 114.6... if his play the rest of the season can approach his play today, he might wind up changing the Cowboys' collective mind about his NFL potential...

The Fire is leading 19-0, and just recovered a fumble on the kickoff following Drew's TD pass...

Henson deserves major props for his performance. As I mentioned it something positive for his resume.

He won and earned the starting job and appears to be performing well enough to hold down the gig so far.

He has shown progress from week one of training camp. In the 1st scrimmage he didn't get rave reviews when he went against the World Bowl defending champions.........as stated by Pastaquerelli, but bounced back with a great week of practice that made a well known NFLE beat writer proclaim him the best NFLE QB prospect. After 2 weeks he appears to be holding up the NFLE beat writers opinion. His performed well against 2nd best team in NFLE.

Progress is progress regardless of the talent, but NFLE talent cannot similate that found in the worst NFL team. He'll be facing Newman and Henry in camp on a consistent basis, already having a leg down from missing the off-season program.

Henson's progress in NFLE has benn good so far, but when put in context it doesn't register a blimp on the Henson critics radar.

[Doomsday101]

:lmao2: You're joking right............

I view Henson's past weekend accomplishments as a positive note to put in his near barren NFL resume. I think most Cowboy fans would, but in reality an outsider would view this performance no more significant than Hutchinson's performance as a rookie against Jacksonville.

When this past weekends game is put in it's rightful context..Henson critics shouldn't have anything to feel bad about.........If you don't believe me try posting this thread and title on any other teams website or general football forum.

Henson hasn't followed the normal progression expected from a player of his "pedigree" or physical attributes (whatever that means.........just ask Flutie or Sonny). But guys like Brad Johnson and Delhomme have proven NFLE can be a successful route, but after their 1st good showing in NFLE I doubt anyone thought their critics had a bad week.

I'd prefer if he were at Valley Ranch working with the new QB coach Chris Palmer, assimilating the new tweaks in the offense (because of the new departure of Sean Payton) and building chemistry with the team during the Off-season work-out program.

Henson went to NFLE because he couldn't do enough on a regular NFL team to earn playing and development time. The 3 1/2 year lay-off excuse was put to bed :horse: by Parcells. Last year going into training camp Parcells clearly stated that Henson has had 2 solid off-season programs with the Cowboys in the same system, but he was unable to earn playing time or the back-up job.

That is why he's in NFLE. If the Cowboys are to draft a QB like Charlie Whitehurst..... Henson would be going into his 3rd year competing for a roster spot against an undrafted free agent in Romo and a QB selected in 3rd or 4th RD.




Henson deserves major props for his performance. As I mentioned it something positive for his resume.

He won and earned the starting job and appears to be performing well enough to hold down the gig so far.

He has shown progress from week one of training camp. In the 1st scrimmage he didn't get rave reviews when he went against the World Bowl defending champions.........as stated by Pastaquerelli, but bounced back with a great week of practice that made a well known NFLE beat writer proclaim him the best NFLE QB prospect. After 2 weeks he appears to be holding up the NFLE beat writers opinion. His performed well against 2nd best team in NFLE.

Progress is progress regardless of the talent, but NFLE talent cannot similate that found in the worst NFL team. He'll be facing Newman and Henry in camp on a consistent basis, already having a leg down from missing the off-season program.

Henson's progress in NFLE has benn good so far, but when put in context it doesn't register a blimp on the Henson critics radar.

I agree it is not the same level as the NFL however it is higher than the college level where many of the players in NFLE were very good college players. Main thing is this is giving Henson live action and the fact that the blocking is not always great in NFLE it forces the QB to make quick decisions just as quick as what he would see in the NFL where is protection should be better.

[hendog]

Where do you get that from? Noting his lack of progress is tantamount to wanting him to fail? Did we want Jacob Rogers to fail too, or was he simply a turd? Stop putting words and bad motives in our mouths. I'm archiving these pollyannish posts for when he's cut in August. And no, it will give me no satisfaction to see a third round pick wasted.


Speaking of turds......