KFFL: J.Walker would rather retire

[Muhast]

Packers | J. Walker selling his house; preparing to move on
Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:39:51 -0800
Ron Borges, of the Boston Globe, reports the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/17/nfl">Green Bay Packers opened their offseason workout program without unhappy WR Javon Walker (http://www.kffl.com/player/782/nfl), who put his house up for sale in Green Bay the day after the workouts began and enlisted the help of his parents to clean it out. Walker claims he'd rather retire than play a fifth season for the Packers. Green Bay is insisting it will not trade him.

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Can gb really be THAT bad?

[Dawgs0916]

How I wish we could somehow get him.

[neosapien23]

I think he is a little ticked off that Brett Favre spoke out against him. He stated that the public treated him pretty badly afterwards. There is too much bad blood their for him to stay.

[dcboy]

Can gb really be THAT bad?

What what I understand, YES! I know a guy that play wr for them a few years ago and he used to go on about how terrible green bay was.

[Hailmary]

I would gladly give up this year's 4th and up to next year's 2nd (if he meets performance requirements) for him.

This will eliminate another "need" and we can concentrate on OLB, FS, & OL.

[big dog cowboy]

How I wish we could somehow get him.
I'd give up a day one draft pick to get him in a heartbeat.

[Muhast]

I would gladly give up this year's 4th and up to next year's 2nd (if he meets performance requirements) for him.

This will eliminate another "need" and we can concentrate on OLB, FS, & OL.

sounds good but we have no 4th

[Hailmary]

He may sound a bit whiney, but you can't argue w/ the numbers he's put up in GB. And I for one wouldn't want to stay somewhere where I am greatly underappreciated by my employer.

I wonder if this is going to affect GB's ability to sign FAs in the future. I can see how some potential FAs might view the GB organization as being "cheap".

[Hailmary]

sounds good but we have no 4th

Dammit! I keep forgetting. My bad.

[Killersanta]

How I wish we could somehow get him.
Me to

[Eskimo]

I think this is an issue of respect - he feels he was treated poorly by the front office, Favre and the fan base. I would be very surprised if he played another down in GB.

GB has to take the position they won't trade him because otherwise it would drive down his trade value. I think they are waiting for some team to become desperate for a WR and offer them something of value. Lots of teams still have cap dollars so that helps out GB a great deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if a team like NE or Philly made a play for him before all is said and done.

[SacredStar]

Green Bay is seeking trade offers for Walker. They want a 2nd round pick for Javon.

G.B. is offering Javon Walker and their 5th round pick to the Bills, for Moulds, and the Bills 3rd round pick (77), and 4th round pick in 2007.

Per ESPN Radio.

[baj1dallas]

GB has to take the position they won't trade him because otherwise it would drive down his trade value. I think they are waiting for some team to become desperate for a WR and offer them something of value. Lots of teams still have cap dollars so that helps out GB a great deal.



That doesn't make sense because saying "we aren't going to trade him" can be interpreted as "we'll cut you".

[Eskimo]

That doesn't make sense because saying "we aren't going to trade him" can be interpreted as "we'll cut you".

Everyone knows he isn't going to be cut - he has too much value even coming off an ACL injury.

Someone will pony up at least a 2nd rounder (or something of equivalent value) before all is said and done.

I just wish we were the ones who made the play for him before the TO signing. I would not support bringing in Walker at this point because we would have too much money invested in the position and Parcells probably doesn't want to play with 3-WR as his base offensive formation.

[TheEnigma]

Can he "retire" and then come back out of retirement?

[SacredStar]

Yes, but the Packers will still own his rights.

[Bullet22]

Farve should have kept his mouth shut...and as long as a player doesn't file the proper paperwork with the league, saying you are retire means nothing..

[SouthernStar]

I would gladly give up this year's 4th and up to next year's 2nd (if he meets performance requirements) for him.

This will eliminate another "need" and we can concentrate on OLB, FS, & OL.
And what "need" would that be? We are "set" at wide receiver.
Your willingness to trade a pick that we don't have is another indication that you are not "in tune" with this ball club.

[calico]

I'd give up a day one draft pick to get him in a heartbeat.

Me too, he is worth it...Walker, TO, Glenn, Crayton...


:omg:

but, we need that pick to fill holes...

[big dog cowboy]

Green Bay is seeking trade offers for Walker. They want a 2nd round pick for Javon.
That is pretty tempting. Could we get a WR in the 2nd round like this.........

Height: 6-3 Weight: 215
Born: Oct 14, 1978 - Galveston, TX
College: Florida State
Draft: 2002 - 1st round (20th pick) by the Green Bay Packers

2002-03 Green Bay 23 319 1
2003-04 Green Bay 41 716 9
2004-05 Green Bay 89 1382 12
2005-06 Green Bay 4 27 0
Career..................157 2444 22

[Cbz40]

I think this is an issue of respect - he feels he was treated poorly by the front office, Favre and the fan base. I would be very surprised if he played another down in GB.

GB has to take the position they won't trade him because otherwise it would drive down his trade value. I think they are waiting for some team to become desperate for a WR and offer them something of value. Lots of teams still have cap dollars so that helps out GB a great deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if a team like NE or Philly made a play for him before all is said and done.


I would bet you are correct....What team is in most need of a WR?..Philly.

The is close to being desperate. ;)

[JackMagist]

And what "need" would that be? We are "set" at wide receiver.
Your willingness to trade a pick that we don't have is another indication that you are not "in tune" with this ball club.If/when Glenn goes down again then we will not be so "set" at WR and we would all be crying for Walker. We have our top three but we are only one injury away from being in trouble and we have at least one injury prone WR on the team. Plus Crayton is coming off of an injury riddled season last year.

[vpr532]

Perhaps he's sick of Favre breaking his fingers with his bullet passes.

[big dog cowboy]

We have our top three but we are only one injury away from being in trouble
Or another TO meltdown.......

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

I think this is an issue of respect - he feels he was treated poorly by the front office, Favre and the fan base. I would be very surprised if he played another down in GB.

GB has to take the position they won't trade him because otherwise it would drive down his trade value. I think they are waiting for some team to become desperate for a WR and offer them something of value. Lots of teams still have cap dollars so that helps out GB a great deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if a team like NE or Philly made a play for him before all is said and done.
:hammer:

He played on a one year tender and got injuried. Green Bay knows that he won't play for them again, but they have to take their "stand" in the media so they can get top billing for him.

[Eskimo]

If/when Glenn goes down again then we will not be so "set" at WR and we would all be crying for Walker. We have our top three but we are only one injury away from being in trouble and we have at least one injury prone WR on the team. Plus Crayton is coming off of an injury riddled season last year.

If you are going to win a championship, sometimes you just have to be lucky. If you spend all your picks and money on depth you won't have enough frontline starters to get anywhere.

Now Glenn has played pretty 3 of the last 4 seasons without major injury which is actually equivalent to Walker.

The FO has definitely decided to roll the dice at WR. We probably have the most explosive WR-tandem in the league right now in TO and TG. TO has attitude problems and TG has an injury history. We just have to hope for the best and that other players (Witten, Crayton, Julius) can step it up if one goes down for a short period of time.

I do think we need to seriously consider spending a first day pick on a WR for developmental purposes. The only player drafted the past 3 years has been Crayton and we are definitely in need of some youth at this position.

[Eskimo]

:hammer:

He played on a one year tender and got injuried. Green Bay knows that he won't play for them again, but they have to take their "stand" in the media so they can get top billing for him.

Actually, I think he is still on his rookie deal.

I think Favre publically called him out and Walker decided to come back in hoping an extension could be worked out. I think things escalated because the fans turned on him, he got injured and then FO wouldn't give him the extension he wanted. He probably feels betrayed by the fan base, FO and players (re: Favre - aka God of Wisconsin).

He will not play in GB again. The only question is how much GB gets for him and where he ends up.

It'll be nice to see GB in the gutter again. I never could stand them or their fans.

[Hailmary]

And what "need" would that be? We are "set" at wide receiver.
Your willingness to trade a pick that we don't have is another indication that you are not "in tune" with this ball club.

First of all, I've already admitted to having forgotten we don't have a 4th this yr. As I've said earlier, my bad.

Secondly, as of now I do consider WR as a "need". If you think TO is a long term answer, well, then you haven't been paying attention to his past antics. He's also on the wrong side of thirty. Sure he's still performing at a very high level, but once you reach a certain age, things can go downhill overnight. You can also include Glenn in this category. Crayton has shown that he has a high ceiling, but if one of the top 2 misses any significant time due to injury, well, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd feel having him as our #2 (at this point in his career anyway).

Also, consider the fact the time it usually takes to develop a young receiver. On average, it's 2 to 3 yrs. If we draft one now, he should be able step in when Glenn calls it quits or when we grow tired of TO's antics. Drafting a WR would be taking the future into consideration.

Trdaing for someone like Walker would eliminate a "need" b/c he's proven he can produce and b/c he's young enough.

[skinsscalper]

It'll be nice to see GB in the gutter again. I never could stand them or their fans.

I couldn't agree more. It's hard to not like Brett Favre. I think he's a fun plyer to watch and has fun playing the game. But, when Mike Holmgren made the "real America's team" comment, that was it. I will root agianst the Packers or any Holmgren lead team from now til eternity.

SS

[Billy Bullocks]

He may sound a bit whiney, but you can't argue w/ the numbers he's put up in GB. And I for one wouldn't want to stay somewhere where I am greatly underappreciated by my employer.

I wonder if this is going to affect GB's ability to sign FAs in the future. I can see how some potential FAs might view the GB organization as being "cheap".

I doubt it, they will look as cheap as their offer they give a potential FA.

[jcblanco22]

The interesting thing is, Walker raised these very same issues right before camp last year, and ended up reporting. Does anyone else recall that?

[DWAREZ]

If/when Glenn goes down again then we will not be so "set" at WR and we would all be crying for Walker. We have our top three but we are only one injury away from being in trouble and we have at least one injury prone WR on the team. Plus Crayton is coming off of an injury riddled season last year.

This still does not necessitate a walker trade. There is the draft to consider for youth and additions whether the draft is deep in premium WR's or not. Our starting line-up is "set" and Glenn did finish this past year injury free. So in terms of depth, it makes more sense to draft or sign a FA rookie then to trade for a WR coming off an acl tear which is in itself problematic not withstanding the draft pick.

Further, it is common knowledge Walker wants crazy money thus his displeasure with GB. Sorry, this deal is not gonna happen!!

[WoodysGirl]

The interesting thing is, Walker raised these very same issues right before camp last year, and ended up reporting. Does anyone else recall that?That was before he blew his knee out.

A lot has changed in the past year...

I like Walker. Coming off an injury or not, I'd at least inquire. See what it would take to make the Packers and Walker happy.

[notherbob]

Looks to me like this is yet another situation which could have been avoided if both sides were a little more reasonable and a little less stubborn.

Poor organizational management on the part of the team and poor personal management on the part of Walker is a formula for failure. Had the team seen the wisdom of keeping a good player from going bonkers by renegotiating a contract his performance has surpassed, they would have retained his good will and had he not been so confrontational in his approach, there would have been room for the team to save face.

Yeah, the team can sit on his contract this year and even franchise him later. The team basically owns him but will lose him in time no matter what they do but they could have made him happy and kept him for the long run. He's gonna lose a lot of money and they're gonna lose a good player. Who's the winner?

Sometimes I just don't understand people.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Farve should have kept his mouth shut...and as long as a player doesn't file the proper paperwork with the league, saying you are retire means nothing..

I agree, Walker had no say in Favour's contract and Favour should have no say in Walker's.

[SouthernStar]

If/when Glenn goes down again then we will not be so "set" at WR and we would all be crying for Walker. We have our top three but we are only one injury away from being in trouble and we have at least one injury prone WR on the team. Plus Crayton is coming off of an injury riddled season last year.
A bigger need is a veteran backup quarterback. What are we gonna do if Bledsoe goes down?
If we lose a receiver to injury, we'll be a "little short" at WR, yeah, but T.O., Crayton, and Witten could carry the load "fairly well".
If we lose Bledsoe, it's ALL OVER, my friend. Romo has never taken a single NFL snap and Henson has gotten just a few.
Also, Javon Walker CAN'T retire. It takes 5 years to retire and he's got only four.
I can't figure out how you guys can "miss" these things......

[BeWare94]

I think he is a little ticked off that Brett Favre spoke out against him. He stated that the public treated him pretty badly afterwards. There is too much bad blood their for him to stay.

When a "great" and beloved quarterback throws a receiver under the bus the public is going to treat the receiver badly, but Green Bay with Brett Favre is the one place where that poor treatment would conceiveably be ten times worse. Those myopic, racist inbreds up in Dairyland probably made it so bad that poor Jevon couldn't even leave his house. Up there I'm pretty sure that the song pretty much goes, "Brett Favre said it so it's gotta be true".

[Eskimo]

When a "great" and beloved quarterback throws a receiver under the bus the public is going to treat the receiver badly, but Green Bay with Brett Favre is the one place where that poor treatment would conceiveably be ten times worse. Those myopic, racist inbreds up in Dairyland probably made it so bad that poor Jevon couldn't even leave his house. Up there I'm pretty sure that the song pretty much goes, "Brett Favre said it so it's gotta be true".

I suspect there is a strong element of truth to what you have said. I would be absoutely shocked in Walker ever suited up for the Packers again. He will eventually be traded, probably for a second rounder.

If we can get him for a cap friendly deal for the first couple of years plus a reasonable SB ($5M on signing with $5M roster bonus in 2007) and the price is a 3rd rounder in 2006/7, I could actually go for this trade.

[BeWare94]

I agree, Walker had no say in Favour's contract and Favour should have no say in Walker's.

I agree.

It's also easy for me to say that you should report to camp, shut up and play when I've already got my uber contract in hand and you are playing on/outperforming your rookie deal.

[Kangaroo]

I suspect there is a strong element of truth to what you have said. I would be absoutely shocked in Walker ever suited up for the Packers again. He will eventually be traded, probably for a second rounder.

If we can get him for a cap friendly deal for the first couple of years plus a reasonable SB ($5M on signing with $5M roster bonus in 2007) and the price is a 3rd rounder in 2006/7, I could actually go for this trade.

he has to suit up at least by mid season or the packers retain his rights and he lose his who paycheck in fines

They all talk but they all break when they are not getting that paycheck

[Eskimo]

he has to suit up at least by mid season or the packers retain his rights and he lose his who paycheck in fines

They all talk but they all break when they are not getting that paycheck

The Packers will fold here just like they did with Mike McKenzie. The player usually ends up getting their wish in these situations if they are adamant enough.

[Galian Beast]

Walker said that he was holding out, I don't recall him saying he wouldn't play or that he would retire otherwise.

I also don't remember him selling his house last year.

[Bob Sacamano]

Can he "retire" and then come back out of retirement?

he'd still be GB's property, so that would be pointless of him

[Jarv]

I agree.

It's also easy for me to say that you should report to camp, shut up and play when I've already got my uber contract in hand and you are playing on/outperforming your rookie deal.

I hear ya, what was Farves QB rating last year ? How many INT's did he throw ?

Walker should tell the press that Farve should retire or take a pay cut so they can pay him.

Whats good for the goose...

[Chief]

I hear ya, what was Farves QB rating last year ? How many INT's did he throw ?

Walker should tell the press that Farve should retire or take a pay cut so they can pay him.



:laugh2:

Perfect.

[adbutcher]

:laugh2:

Perfect.
Poetic justice imo.