Who do you think is the Cowboys best player

[Yakuza Rich]

Who do you think is the Cowboys best player?

1. Roy Williams

2. Terence Newman

3. DeMarcus Ware

4. Terrell Owens

5. Jason Witten

6. Mike Vanderjagt

7. Drew Bledsoe

8. Terry Glenn

[Future]

as far as pure talent at their position nobody comes close to Roy Williams, hes by far the best SS in the league...and if he had a credible FS he would be deadly

[gbrittain]

As for pure talent, I would have to say Terrell Owens.

[Vertigo_17]

TO. He's arguably the best WR in the game with the other being S. Smith.

[Joshmvii]

Most talented I would have to say Terrell Owens.

Best all around player, i'd say Terence Newman and Roy Williams.

[parchy]

As for pure talent, I would have to say Terrell Owens.

Agreed, but I think in terms of guys we've seen play as Cowboys, Terence Newman has the most pure skill. When he plays like he is capable of (see 2005 season), he has no discernable weaknesses.

[Vintage]

Agreed, but I think in terms of guys we've seen play as Cowboys, Terence Newman has the most pure skill. When he plays like he is capable of (see 2005 season), he has no discernable weaknesses.

He needs to string it together with another good season or two before I blow my load over Newman....

Good corner? Yes.

Great corner? Not until he does it consistantly.

[WoodysGirl]

Hard choices there Rich, but I'm going w/Newman.

The most underrated on the team and yet the most effective. Doesn't have many, if any, warts where you have to qualify his play where everything has to be absolutely perfect for him...other than his confidence.

[bigdrulez3141]

I think it would be a close race between Terence Newman and TO but I think TO has a slight lead right now just because he has proved it for more years.

[Juke99]

Owens.

Last season, I'd give it to Newman.

[ABQCOWBOY]

IMO, not even close, Terrance Newman by a wide margin at this point.

[aznhalf]

Newman!!

TO vs Newman in practice will be fun to watch.

[JohnsKey19]

Owens. Newman is the only other guy in the conversation but TO is in another class IMO. Roy would be a notch below TNew.

[TLW47]

As of last week Terrell.

[AbeBeta]

Some of you are really saying Roy? I love Roy but I find his performance since his rookie year disappointing. One week, like vs. Philly and Denver, he is huge. Then other weeks he's just a solid tackler and nothing more. I guess I miss all the big hits.

[BAZ]

Newman!!

TO vs Newman in practice will be fun to watch.

That will be interesting. I wonder if it helps Newman improve even more.

[EMMITTnROY]

1. Roy
2. TO
3. Newman
4. Vanderjagt
5. Witten
6. Ware

these 6 are in a class by themselves right now.. and the top 3 are very debatable.. I would include Vanderjagt in that if he could kickoff better..

[gbrittain]

Some of you are really saying Roy? I love Roy but I find his performance since his rookie year disappointing. One week, like vs. Philly and Denver, he is huge. Then other weeks he's just a solid tackler and nothing more. I guess I miss all the big hits.

Yeah, I love Roy. One of my favorite Cowboys, but clearly at this point not the best Cowboy player.

[Aikmaniac]

What I would love to read are some first person accounts of Terrence Newman. Obviously, he doesn't get the ball thrown his side much, thus I (as well as others watching on tv) don't get to see much of him.

So...how good is he?

[GoCowboysGo]

I think there are some underappreciated players and over appreciated players for the Cowboys.

Best players:

TO
Bledsoe
Henry
Witten
Vanderjagt

Newman gets burned so often, and when Williams isn't making a big hit (like a line-backer) then he seems useless to me.

I must be missing something.

[cbfan55]

Roy Williams!!!

[bigdrulez3141]

I think there are some underappreciated players and over appreciated players for the Cowboys.

Best players:

TO
Bledsoe
Henry
Witten
Vanderjagt

Newman gets burned so often, and when Williams isn't making a big hit (like a line-backer) then he seems useless to me.

I must be missing something.

Did you watch at all this season??

[Bcburns]

It's hard for me to say it but... I have no doubt that Terrell Owens is the most talented player for the Cowboys. I see a reasonable gap between him and the likes of Newman & Roy.

In the future I think Ware will deserve to be in the conversation.

[Slammin Bran 23]

No doubt Terrel Owens. All around, Roy Williams.

[WoodysGirl]

What I would love to read are some first person accounts of Terrence Newman. Obviously, he doesn't get the ball thrown his side much, thus I (as well as others watching on tv) don't get to see much of him.

So...how good is he?I'd suggest doing a search on AdamJT and Newman and you might find some legit info.

He's broken folks down so hard on Newman. You're left w/no doubts as to his talent.:)

[btcutter]

Newman!!

TO vs Newman in practice will be fun to watch.

Our DBs are going to get better in a hurry by practicing against TO!!!!

[superpunk]

I'm having thread deja vu....

[StanleySpadowski]

Tough call. Statistically Williams is easily the best SS in the NFL and Newman's stats stand up favorably to any other CB so it would have to be one of those two.

Owens is one of the best WRs, but arguments can be made that there are 3 or 4 better.

I'd have to go with Newman just over Williams.

[GoCowboysGo]

I watched nearly every game (moved to Germany with the Army).

Who was unable to make adjustments fast enough vs. Washington? Our secondary is weak without Henry. I'm not the first to call into question the ability of Williams and Newman. Neither are all-pro players. ESPN always plays the highlight reel hits, of wich Williams has plenty. Maybe he should be a OLB:)

I'm not hating, I love both players, I'm just saying that both may be a little overrated.

[AbeBeta]

Newman gets burned so often....

I must be missing something.

you are missing something.

Newman got burned maybe once last year -- against the Skins by Cooley -- and that play was screwed up from the get go.

[jterrell]

I think it would be a close race between Terence Newman and TO but I think TO has a slight lead right now just because he has proved it for more years.
yup. :starspin

[BARRYRAY]

Tie last year---Roy Williams and Drew Bledsoe, but my runnerups my surprise you or not, again tie Teryy Glann and Flo. Without Flo we went south in a major hurry as we did the year before without Glenn, let's see TO this coming year and we'll vote then...

[DallasDW00ds0n]

newman is the all around athlete IMO

[braw]

When you take out hype , reputation, and have the players motivated my pick would be Flozell Adams.

The guy can dominate his position if he is motivated. He has never had a QB like Troy for 2 complete seasons.

[Da Hammer]

I would have to say in pure talent T.O as i think he's the best receiver in the NFL and that position is the most stacked with great talent which makes it even more impressive.

[ravidubey]

Owens with Newman second.

[Eskimo]

In my estimation:

All-Pro level players (top 10% in their positions in the league)
#1 Terrell Owens
#2 TNew
#3 Roy Williams

Pro-Bowl level players (top 25% in their positions)
#4 Jason Witten
#5 Terry Glenn

Good starterrs:
#6 DeMarcus Ware
#7 Drew Bledsoe
#8 Anthony Henry
#9 Julius Jones
#10 Flozell Adams

Just to show how much turnover there is these days (or lack of talent there was on the roster when BP inherited it) only Flo and RoyW were with the team when BP started in 2002 four years ago.

[jterrell]

In my estimation:

All-Pro level players (top 10% in their positions in the league)
#1 Terrell Owens
#2 TNew
#3 Roy Williams

Pro-Bowl level players (top 25% in their positions)
#4 Jason Witten
#5 Terry Glenn

Good starterrs:
#6 DeMarcus Ware
#7 Drew Bledsoe
#8 Anthony Henry
#9 Julius Jones
#10 Flozell Adams

Just to show how much turnover there is these days (or lack of talent there was on the roster when BP inherited it) only Flo and RoyW were with the team when BP started in 2002 four years ago.
Wow great post!!

I think Witten can enter the All Pro level this season and Ware is headed there eventually.

[brewers47]

1. Newman
2. Owens
3. Witten
4. Ware
5. Bledsoe
6. Williams
7. Glenn
8. Vanderjagt
9. Flozell Adams
10. Greg Ellis

[Jarv]

I watched nearly every game (moved to Germany with the Army).

Who was unable to make adjustments fast enough vs. Washington? Our secondary is weak without Henry. I'm not the first to call into question the ability of Williams and Newman. Neither are all-pro players. ESPN always plays the highlight reel hits, of wich Williams has plenty. Maybe he should be a OLB:)

I'm not hating, I love both players, I'm just saying that both may be a little overrated.

Maybe you were thinking of Willaims and Glenn...Moss scored 2 TD's on them in 4 minutes....Newman was not in that coverage.

[Doomsday]

TO on offense, Roy on defense. Overall To, he is the most physically gifted player in the league.

[pancakeman]

In my estimation:

All-Pro level players (top 10% in their positions in the league)
#1 Terrell Owens
#2 TNew
#3 Roy Williams

Pro-Bowl level players (top 25% in their positions)
#4 Jason Witten
#5 Terry Glenn

Good starterrs:
#6 DeMarcus Ware
#7 Drew Bledsoe
#8 Anthony Henry
#9 Julius Jones
#10 Flozell Adams

Just to show how much turnover there is these days (or lack of talent there was on the roster when BP inherited it) only Flo and RoyW were with the team when BP started in 2002 four years ago.
Good post. Vanderjagt has to be in the second group, if not in the first.
Just out of curiosity: where would Glover and Key fit if they were still Cowboys?

[cc cowboy]

Drew Henson is the best Cowboy currently playing.

[Hailmary]

TNew shuts down his half of the field. Electric on PRs when given the chance.

Roy, although not the most consistent player and sometimes a liability on coverage, he has probably the most intangibles on the team....intimidation.

Vanderjagt...it's been so long since we had a good kicker. He'll be a difference maker.

TO just elevated our entire O. Not only is he one of the tops in his position, but b/c of him, Glenn will see more single coverages and the D won't stack up against the run helping JuJo find more running lanes. Should also help out Witten since the safety help will be going to our WRs and he'll be matched up mostly w/ LBs.

[DallasDomination]

I know this might bother people but How can Roy williams be our best player? He's not even close to being our best player. Roy Williams is great but come on There is other players that performed much better than him last year. Roy williams is a liability at Coverage and sometimes misses TAckles becaue he's going for the big hit instead of the WRap around tackle, Not to mention his overrated probowl selection in 04. Terrance Newman would be my #1 Choice, I think he is the best CORNer in the League( my humble Opinion), Followed by Terrell OWens.

[Future]

I know this might bother people but How can Roy williams be our best player? He's not even close to being our best player. Roy Williams is great but come on There is other players that performed much better than him last year. Roy williams is a liability at Coverage and sometimes misses TAckles becaue he's going for the big hit instead of the WRap around tackle, Not to mention his overrated probowl selection in 04. Terrance Newman would be my #1 Choice, I think he is the best CORNer in the League( my humble Opinion), Followed by Terrell OWens.

hes a liability in coverage ill give you that, but its because hes an SS and plays out of position when forced to cover. and name one time that he has ever missed a tackle...i cant think of one

ex: last year vs. philly he made a tackle on brian westbrook in the middle of nowhere going right at the legs, not a big hit but a great play

[BeWare94]

Who do you think is the Cowboys best player?

1. Roy Williams

2. Terence Newman

3. DeMarcus Ware

4. Terrell Owens

5. Jason Witten

6. Mike Vanderjagt

7. Drew Bledsoe

8. Terry Glenn

Terrell Owens hands down is the best player on our team. Look at what he's done statistically and he is on the short list of the best players at his position. Roy Williams might be the most marketable player we had until Owens showed up but Roy Williams is as much a liability in coverage as he was his rookie year. As a receiver there is nothing that Owens cannot do.

[BeWare94]

No doubt Terrel Owens. All around, Roy Williams.

Wouldn't 'all-around' for a safety like Roy Williams include deep coverage? I seem to remember a Washington game on Monday night where he singlehandedly lost a thirteen point lead in like two minutes. Roy Williams flat out cannot cover. What can't Terrell Owens do as a receiver? Go over the middle? Check. Get deep? Check. Beat the Jam? Check. Block downfield? Check.

[Jay9508]

roy is the best, but newman isn't far behind him

[Jay9508]

Wouldn't 'all-around' for a safety like Roy Williams include deep coverage? I seem to remember a Washington game on Monday night where he singlehandedly lost a thirteen point lead in like two minutes. Roy Williams flat out cannot cover. What can't Terrell Owens do as a receiver? Go over the middle? Check. Get deep? Check. Beat the Jam? Check. Block downfield? Check.must we go through this again, that was glenn's man

[BeWare94]

must we go through this again, that was glenn's man

Whatever. If that's what you have to tell yourself so that you can sleep at night, fine. However when the safety stays behind the corner he is generally responsible for deep third/deep half of the field in the case that the cornerback gets beat. He is the "safety valve" when the corner loses his matchup with the receiver. A safety that could cover like Brian Dawkins, Rodney Harrison, John Lynch, Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu etc. would have gotten a sufficient drop to cover his zone and when Santana Moss got past Aaron Glenn and caught the ball they would have laid his a** out. Roy Williams makes plays near the LOS but not plays in coverage.

[Eskimo]

Good post. Vanderjagt has to be in the second group, if not in the first.
Just out of curiosity: where would Glover and Key fit if they were still Cowboys?

It is hard to comment on Glover at this point because he was still Pro Bowl level in 2004 playing in the 4-3 but he was not the same player in the 3-4 this past year even though he got the invite again. I suspect he has declined to merely the good starter range now. He will do better in a defense that let's him get up the field and utilize his quickness while avoiding having to deal with double teams. I think he would be best utilized as a pass rush specialist at this stage of his career - his productivity would likely be higher in fewer snaps.

As for Key, I really believe he has been in some degree of decline over the past 3 years which will become more obvious next year. His lack of separation skills combined with a case of the dropsies with 3 fumbles last year is somewhat ominous to me. In 2004 he was definitely in the the good starter range but I do believe he has now dropped a notch below - call him a poor #1 WR or a slightly above average #2 WR. I think we were wise not to give him the extension he requested as he will prove not to be worth it.

[StanleySpadowski]

Whatever. If that's what you have to tell yourself so that you can sleep at night, fine. However when the safety stays behind the corner he is generally responsible for deep third/deep half of the field in the case that the cornerback gets beat. He is the "safety valve" when the corner loses his matchup with the receiver. A safety that could cover like Brian Dawkins, Rodney Harrison, John Lynch, Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu etc. would have gotten a sufficient drop to cover his zone and when Santana Moss got past Aaron Glenn and caught the ball they would have laid his a** out. Roy Williams makes plays near the LOS but not plays in coverage.


Williams gave up less yardage and fewer TDs last season per game than all of the "cover" safeties that you mentioned, but don't let facts stand in the way of an uninformed opinion.

[littlewebs]

Williams gave up less yardage and fewer TDs last season per game than all of the "cover" safeties that you mentioned, but don't let facts stand in the way of an uninformed opinion.

People bash on Roy Williams' cover skills all the time, and they use the same example every single time. It usually goes something like this: "Roy got burned twice in that Washington game by Santana Moss. He sucks in coverage." OH MY!!!! He got burned on TWO plays in 15 games last year. CLEARLY he sucks. Yank him from the game. Worthless coverage player:rolleyes:

All of last year those are the only two times I can remember him getting beat deep, but the haters just continue to bring up those 2 plays as the basis of their argument. He also missed one tackle against T. Gonzo in the Chiefs game, so that makes 3 bad plays in 15 games (sat out against Rams), or one flub per 5 games.

Newman is excellent as well, only the Cooley play stands out to me as a screw-up. But that game I remember thinking "Every player on the entire team sucks today!"

[RealityWynn]

Newman!!

TO vs Newman in practice will be fun to watch.


Thats one reason why I am glad that training camp is in Oxnard this year..
:laugh2:

[GoodOleDays]

terrel owens is our best player, period.

[StanleySpadowski]

People bash on Roy Williams' cover skills all the time, and they use the same example every single time. It usually goes something like this: "Roy got burned twice in that Washington game by Santana Moss. He sucks in coverage." OH MY!!!! He got burned on TWO plays in 15 games last year. CLEARLY he sucks. Yank him from the game. Worthless coverage player:rolleyes:

All of last year those are the only two times I can remember him getting beat deep, but the haters just continue to bring up those 2 plays as the basis of their argument. He also missed one tackle against T. Gonzo in the Chiefs game, so that makes 3 bad plays in 15 games (sat out against Rams), or one flub per 5 games.

Newman is excellent as well, only the Cooley play stands out to me as a screw-up. But that game I remember thinking "Every player on the entire team sucks today!"


Williams also blew a coverage on Shockey allowing a TD among other poor plays but the "liability in coverage" schtick is getting old.

[SuspectCorner]

TO... (gap)... T New... (gap)... roy will, witten, flo and vanderjerk... (gap) ....rest of the team.

[littlewebs]

Williams also blew a coverage on Shockey allowing a TD among other poor plays but the "liability in coverage" schtick is getting old.

Ah yes I forgot about that one. But wasn't it partially because NYG was in the hurry-up and he was trying to make sure everyone was in the right spot? Still his fault, but not so much a blown coverage as being in the wrong place at the snap and never having a chance.

[Seven]

Newman! You magnificent bastid!!

He was outstanding last year and did some serious van-damage in the nickel as well.

[CrazyCowboy]

1. Roy Williams

With Ware catching him fast!

[MinnesotaCowboy]

I am definitely not a TO fan (yet) but he is probably one of the 5 most talented people in the NFL! T-New would be 2nd with Witten, Ware, Roy W., Bledsoe, Adams, Ellis, James, and Glenn all being in the 2nd tier. Might be able to add Spears and Canty after this year!:rolleyes:

[baj1dallas]

What I would love to read are some first person accounts of Terrence Newman. Obviously, he doesn't get the ball thrown his side much, thus I (as well as others watching on tv) don't get to see much of him.

So...how good is he?


Watch the clips of the (first) Philly game...he tackles like a freaking safety. He really seems to have learned a lot from Roy.

[Chocolate Lab]

What I would love to read are some first person accounts of Terrence Newman. Obviously, he doesn't get the ball thrown his side much, thus I (as well as others watching on tv) don't get to see much of him.

So...how good is he?When I went to training camp in San Antonio in 2003, I did a couple of detailed writeups of Newman tangling with Joey Galloway in practice... It was really awesome to watch IMO. Galloway was just blazing fast, and quick to boot... Much more impressive in person than on TV, I thought. And Newman was able to stay with him and make a couple of diving breakups on out routes that were just amazing (especially to this former slow, unathletic corner. :))

And that was about one week into his pro career, when he was pretty much going strictly on athletic ability... He's technically much more sound now.

I'm sure some people will report from TC this year and they can tell you that watching him in man coverage is just fun. He has a rare ability to stay in the hip pocket of the WR... Much better than anyone else on the team that I've seen.

[CalMor]

Roy Williams. The heart and soul of the defence. Anthony Henry should have made the list. The team felt it when he went down last year.

[Jaxonsdaddd]

At this time I would say TO and Newman...

ON a side note, I was watching a few of the games during R. WIlliams rookie season and he looked unreal during that season. He looked a little smaller then than he did last year. Maybe 10 lbs or so...

He hasnt looked as good since his rookie year and Im not quite sure why that would be. I cant put my finger on it..

Still a hell of a player though.

[the kid 05]

TO. He's arguably the best WR in the game with the other being S. Smith. why does everyone leave out r moss? i doubt steve smith or t.o. respectivly couldn't have done anything with collins and that line

[Double Trouble]

2006-2007 stats predictions
J. Jones- 1500-1700 yrds 12 tds
D. Bledsoe-4000-4500 yrds 25-30 tds 5-10 ints
T.Owens 1400-1600 yrds 13-17 tds
T. Glenn 1200-1400 yrds 12-15 tds
R. Williams 80-100 tackles 5 ints
T.Newman 50-70 tackles 9-12 ints
A. Henry 40-60 tackles 6-8 ints
D. Ware 70-90 tackles 9-13.5 sacks

Not optimistic are you?

Terrell Owens is the best player on the team, based on what he's done over the last decade. I would only have some hesitation because of his age.

Of the players that were already on the team, I think Newman is hands down the best player. Few players in the NFL were as dominant at their position as he was last year. Hopefully, we can say the same about Ware after this year.

[Hoods]

Maybe he should be a OLB:)

Why? He's an All-Pro safety. His ability to hit isn't a negative as far as being a safety goes. His coverage, for a strong safety, is fine aswell.