Trade up for Green Bay's pick?

[Tass]

Green Bay GM Ted Thompson said he has had some very preliminary conversations about the trading the fifth overall pick. "A couple people have mentioned it," Thompson said. "I've had people in front of me and people behind me say, 'If you guys feel like doing something ...' It's not even really feeling out. It's just having a conversation more than anything."

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?

[CowboyWay]

No way in a million years.

[lkelly]

I think that would be giving up a ton to draft a linebacker in the top 5. Look back and see how many linebackers have been drafted in the top 5 in the last 15 years. Most teams trade away the farm to pick a franchise QB.

[Seven]

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?

You forgot to include the farm..................

[dbair1967]

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?

Hawk isnt worth 2 #1 picks

David

[Tass]

I think that would be giving up a ton to draft a linebacker in the top 5. Look back and see how many linebackers have been drafted in the top 5 in the last 15 years. Most teams trade away the farm to pick a franchise QB.

I concede your point, but Hawk looks like the best LB prospect to come along in 20 years. I guess we'll know in 3 or 4 years if he would have been worth it.

[Tass]

Hawk isnt worth 2 #1 picks

David


LOL...yep, he's no Joey Galloway that's for sure. ;)

[wileedog]

I'll be very, very surprised if we don't trade *down* this year. I think its merely a matter of finding a partner.

No way we're moving up.

[lkelly]

I concede your point, but Hawk looks like the best LB prospect to come along in 20 years. I guess we'll know in 3 or 4 years if he would have been worth it.

I think he's a good LB, but let's not get carried away. Poz beat him out for the Butkus award and the Bednarik award, Dumervil beat him out for the Nagurski award, and he also played on a defense littered with draft picks.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I concede your point, but Hawk looks like the best LB prospect to come along in 20 years. I guess we'll know in 3 or 4 years if he would have been worth it.


This time last year, people were saying the same thing about Ahmad Brooks. Now, a team can probably draft him in the supplemental for just a 1st or 2nd. Maybe less, who knows. Lavar Arrington is the best LB prospect that has come out in recent years IMO and I don't think he was worth what the Skins spent on him. I would never consider giving up multiple 1st for him, not to mention the 3rd. Draft is way too deep at the LB position. Teams are going to be able to get excellent players in the third this year, at LB IMO.

[CrazyCowboy]

LOL...yep, he's no Joey Galloway that's for sure. ;)

Great point......that was an awesome investment to the future!:bang2:

[gbrittain]

The best way to get a top 10 pick is to be a bottom 10 team. Anything outside of that and you get raked over the coals to move up.

[AsthmaField]

The only way I could see us ending up with Hawk (which I would love to), is if he slides somehow and is sitting there at like pick #11... something like that. That wouldn't require that terribly much to trade up to. If Parcells and company like him enough to trade up 7 spots or so... then I wouldn't be upset about it.

I could see him sliding a little too. LB's usually tend to slide a little beyond what they're ability says. Although he'd never make it past Cleveland, I doubt. Don't they pick 12th?

[PacoReloaded]

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?How about... no.

[MadCow]

LOL...yep, he's no Joey Galloway that's for sure. ;)

Fool me once... shame on you!
Fool me twice... shame on me!!

Two 1st rd draft picks for A.J. Hawk? Good player but no. The Cowboys will not be made the fool again.

:starspin

[Tass]

Yeah, you guys are right. Too many good LBs this year to give up anything for one. People made the argument that Carpenter is overrated because he played with Hawk...maybe the reverse is true? Or maybe they were both the beneficiaries of playing with each other?

[Eddie]

Hell no.

We do not trade multiple players for a single player ... unless you're talking about 5, 6, and 7th rounders.

But no way do we trade 2 firsts and a third for one player.

We did that once, bit us in the butt. Set us back for 5 years.

[EastCoastLawnmowers]

if anything trade down to with GB and get a 1st next yr, like dallas did with the bills.

[the kid 05]

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?if we do how do we draft brady quinn?

[JerryFan]

not in a million years would I do that trade. ive watched an awful lot of Ohio St football because I love the way they play. I personally don't think AJ is much better if any better then Carpenter. I would be completly shocked if we go LB in round 1 that Carpenter isnt the guy we pick. He can do everything and then some. He's mean,fast, big,strong and plays with an attitude you cant teach to linebackers. he can put his hand on the ground and rush from the DE spot, or stand up and blow people up.

[CowboysFaninDC]

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?

you don't give up that much to get a LB as good as he maybe. our defense was top 10 last year. carpenter or lawson of wimbley will make it a top 5. so will hawk. if we give up that much it should be to go after VY or Cutler or Lienhart.

[jazzcat22]

I concede your point, but Hawk looks like the best LB prospect to come along in 20 years. I guess we'll know in 3 or 4 years if he would have been worth it.

I think they said that about Brian Bosworth, the next Dick Butkis.......and we seen what happened with him.

[Zippy Speedster]

Throw Walker into that trade scenerio as an added bonus for us, then I'd be for it, but only then. Then I'm not sure I wouldn't turn right around trade back down in the draft. For a 5 Denver might be willing to give up their two 1's this year and next years for that.

[ThreeSportStar80]

NO NO NO and NO!!!!!!!

[Eskimo]

The only scenario I would consider trading up is if a surefire impact player drops to about #9 or #10.

Dallas #18 pick = 900 points
Dallas #49 pick = 410 points

The toal of these two picks is 1310 points.

The #10 pick = 1300 points
The #9 pick = 1350 points

So basically for the cost of a first and second pick we could move into the top 10 of the draft. The only reason I support doing this is our annual habit of picking a bust in the latter part of the first round and the second round. Our track record has been much, much better in the top 10.

Need some proof - here are our last picks in the top 11 (to include Ware):

DeMarcus Ware
Terrence Newman
Roy Williams
Greg Ellis

Here are our picks in the latter half of the first round over the last several years:

Marcus Spears
Shante Carver

Here are our second round picks:

Kevin Burnett
Julius Jones
Jacob Rogers
Al Johnson
Antonio Bryant
Andre Gurode
Quincy Carter
Tony Dixon
Dwayne Goodrich
Soloman Page
Flozell Adams


It looks to me like we seem to get more bang for the buck trading up here if there is a player who falls to #10 that we really, really like. We have consistently demonstrated an inability to find good talent later on in the upper two rounds of the draft.

To put it in more concrete terms, who would you rather have: Demarcus Ware or Marcus Spears and Kevin Burnett.

The player that I am looking at who I think could fall and would be a dynamite player in a 3-4 defense is Ngata. I don't think he would get by Cleveland and Crennel.

[Bob Sacamano]

Our 1st, 3rd and next year's 1st to move up and draft Hawk? What do you think?

in a word...

hell mother*BLEEP* *BLEEP* no :)

[Bob Sacamano]

I concede your point, but Hawk looks like the best LB prospect to come along in 20 years. I guess we'll know in 3 or 4 years if he would have been worth it.

Lavar Arrington was supposed to be the best LB since Lawrence Taylor, and we know how that turned out...

[Bob Sacamano]

The only way I could see us ending up with Hawk (which I would love to), is if he slides somehow and is sitting there at like pick #11... something like that. That wouldn't require that terribly much to trade up to. If Parcells and company like him enough to trade up 7 spots or so... then I wouldn't be upset about it.

I could see him sliding a little too. LB's usually tend to slide a little beyond what they're ability says. Although he'd never make it past Cleveland, I doubt. Don't they pick 12th?

good point, remember Derrick Johnson? although I believe Hawk is regarded as a better prospect

[JonJon]

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Besides, Hawk may be moved to ILB and we already have a plethora of ILB competitors. We need a 3-4 pass blitzer, and Hawk needs to improve in that area.

[Bob Sacamano]

Or maybe they were both the beneficiaries of playing with each other?

I think it's both are damn, fine prospects...just neither is worth 2 1sts

[Clove]

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Besides, Hawk may be moved to ILB and we already have a plethora of ILB competitors. We need a 3-4 pass blitzer, and Hawk needs to improve in that area.I think 9 sacks is a good number for an OLB, and that's what Hawk produced.

I also don't think we should do that. If we were 1 or 2 players away from a championship in our minds, I would pull the trigger. And for the people that think we are going to draft Brady Quinn, I don't think that will happen unless we are a bad team next year and pick in the top 10.

Plus, let's see what he can do this year before we crown him king.

[Bungarian]

Not a good idea.

[Cowboys&Caps]

I almost like hawk enough to do it, he will be the best linebacker in the leauge in a few years.