View Full Version : Eric Moulds would be a Better Fit...
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 09:30 AM
...with the Houston Texans, or with the Eagles? Here's some background...
Eagles Update: The Eagles and Eric Moulds' agent are also involved in some kind of dance. On WIP-AM, Greg Johnson said last night he talked with team president Joe Banner several times yesterday. "The sense that I get is that there is major interest on both parts," Johnson said. "Because of that, I believe that a deal can be worked out." He'd prefer to see his client traded, preserving his lofty contract. The Eagles would prefer to negotiate a less pricey deal (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14200980.htm) ... after Buffalo cuts the receiver. Moulds said he wants to play here (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14195503.htm). But the Texans are also pursuing him (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3749828.html). WIP's Howard Eskin, hinting at inside information, said yesterday that the Eagles are determined to add a top receiver who will be come available after his team cuts him. Javon Walker might also fit that description, although Green Bay might hold the line and keep him (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=411220).
The plot definitely thickens ...will Moulds be a Texan or an Eagle? I think it will come down to money for the Texaans. Why, becaue Houston is looking for a backup WR, while the Eagles are looking more toward a playmaker/starter.
Another point to consider is that Mouldsactually wants to be an Eagle -- and he knows that Javon Walker is someone that the Eagles is considering also.
Who would you want on your team, and who do you think would be more of a threat In the NFCE ...Moulds or Walker?
Funxva
03-28-2006, 09:32 AM
Hmm.. Good question. I think Walker.. if healthy mind you, is the better threat. But it's a shame for them that we don't need either.
You know the times are improving for Cowboy fans when we will start TO and Glenn.....and the eagles are fighting for a WR on the downside of his career. On paper...I know think Dallas and Philadelphia are even....3 years ago...it wasnt even close.
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 09:36 AM
Hmm.. Good question. I think Walker.. if healthy mind you, is the better threat. But it's a shame for them that we don't need either.
That's an Interesting point, because I haven't heard too much about Walker's health lately. But that makes me believe that Walker would be more prone to reinjury than Moulds. Hmmm!?
AMERICAS_FAN
03-28-2006, 09:39 AM
I'd say walker because I think he's a bit better and the offensive system he's played in is the same as what the Eagles run.
AF
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 09:39 AM
You know the times are improving for Cowboy fans when we will start TO and Glenn.....and the eagles are fighting for a WR on the downside of his career. On paper...I know think Dallas and Philadelphia are even....3 years ago...it wasnt even close.
I suppose that's one way of looking at it -- operant words being ...on paper."
lkelly
03-28-2006, 09:40 AM
Either would be an upgrade. I assume Moulds would come cheaper as far as trade compensation is concerned, but Walker would be a better long term solution. Philly would have to give him a major contract in order to make him happy.
I have no idea why Green Bay would trade Walker - especially to another NFC team. Unless they have lost their minds, they keep Walker and make him play out his deal. Then, if he has a huge year, they franchise him and try to trade him if needed.
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 09:43 AM
I'd say walker because I think he's a bit better and the offensive system he's played in is the same as what the Eagles run.
AF
A_F, I believe the Cowboys play Houston again this year -- that said, do you think Moulds would be a factor in deciding the outcome, or do you think Eldorado will make the difference. Heard a little something about Houston's defense beIng tougher than in past years (don't remember where I read that).
lkelly
03-28-2006, 09:48 AM
Houston was horrendous last year. They should be improved, but Eric Moulds isn't exactly going to put them over the top. Adding an offensive line, better coaching, and figuring out if you have a QB are higher priorities for them.
Danny White
03-28-2006, 09:48 AM
Shouldn't this be in the NFL Zone?
johnnycomelately
03-28-2006, 09:49 AM
You really can't go wrong with either Moulds or Walker. Both really tough and terrific playmakers. My opinion is that Moulds may be a little bit of a better possession receiver than Walker but whatever the difference ..it's marginal.
I just hope that somehow the Eagles get neither.
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 09:50 AM
Either would be an upgrade. I assume Moulds would come cheaper as far as trade compensation is concerned, but Walker would be a better long term solution. Philly would have to give him a major contract in order to make him happy.
I have no idea why Green Bay would trade Walker - especially to another NFC team. Unless they have lost their minds, they keep Walker and make him play out his deal. Then, if he has a huge year, they franchise him and try to trade him if needed.
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Moulds has the edge with me, not because he'll cost less to acquire, but because he's healthier; and younger (don't hold me to the age componeny).
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 10:02 AM
Shouldn't this be in the NFL Zone?
You be the judge DW. But before you slam the gavel down, have you considered that Cowboys GM may have a small interest in acquiring Moulds or Walker?
That said, this thread would be very appropos ...
ProSportsDaily. com: Dallas or Philadelphia would be good fits. Cowboys QB Drew Bledsoe could have fun throwing to Moulds, Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn and tight end Jason Whitten. A reasonable price for Moulds would be a late second-round or early third-round draft pick.
ProSportsDaily. com
ravidubey
03-28-2006, 10:04 AM
Philadelphia will upgrade their WR position. Moulds and Walker are the best that can be had at this time. Philly is waiting for Moulds' situation to be resolved before deciding whether to sweeten their offer for Walker. I'm thinking Moulds is 75% headed to Philly, and maybe 25% headed to Miami. You know the Bills are terrified of him becoming a Dolphin, so they will hold onto his rights as long as possible.
Miami might break the bank for Lavar Arrington and thus make it harder for them to sign Moulds, so I look for Moulds to come free after Miami has used up most of their cap space so he can go to Philadelphia where Buffalo wants him-- namely out of the AFC East.
If Moulds falls through, I look for Philly to heat up talks with Green Bay for Walker. He's a legit #1 WR in the WCO, though Brett Favre has a way of making players a notch or two better than they are, Walker was a difference maker in GB both deep and accross the middle-- the signs of a true #1.
Despite Walker's griping and sniping with his QB (eerily similar to Philly's own hassles), the situation sounds like a good fit for Philly. He's young, he's good, he's worth a big contract.
The trouble is the draft pick; GB wants a 2nd Philly's willing to trade a 3rd. But I think that's all posturing. I think Walker leaves GB the week of the draft, with Moulds' course affecting Walker's own destination.
Gfunk
03-28-2006, 10:07 AM
a McNabb/Walker connection for years to come scares me a lot more than stop gap player like Moulds
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 10:11 AM
Philadelphia will upgrade their WR position. Moulds and Walker are the best that can be had at this time. Philly is waiting for Moulds' situation to be resolved before deciding whether to sweeten their offer for Walker. I'm thinking Moulds is 75% headed to Philly, and maybe 25% headed to Miami. You know the Bills are terrified of him becoming a Dolphin, so they will hold onto his rights as long as possible.
Miami might break the bank for Lavar Arrington and thus make it harder for them to sign Moulds, so I look for Moulds to come free after Miami has used up most of their cap space so he can go to Philadelphia where Buffalo wants him-- namely out of the AFC East.
If Moulds falls through, I look for Philly to heat up talks with Green Bay for Walker. He's a legit #1 WR in the WCO, though Brett Favre has a way of making players a notch or two better than they are, Walker was a difference maker in GB both deep and accross the middle-- the signs of a true #1.
Despite Walker's griping and sniping with his QB (eerily similar to Philly's own hassles), the situation sounds like a good fit for Philly. He's young, he's good, he's worth a big contract.
The trouble is the draft pick; GB wants a 2nd Philly's willing to trade a 3rd. But I think that's all posturing. I think Walker leaves GB the week of the draft, with Moulds' course affecting Walker's own destination.
Very good read; I agree with most of your perspective rav. I think Moulds will become an Eagle because he's openly expressed a desire to play for the eagles; while Walker merely stated that he would rather retire than play for the Packers. That could make the difference also.
DLCassidy
03-28-2006, 10:15 AM
Let me see....an over 30 receiver who thinks he deserves big money is excited about the possibility of coming to catch passes from Donovan McNabb. The Eagles are interested but trying to get him for short money, so they can continue to be 30m or so under the cap. This is starting to sound very familiar....:laugh2:
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 10:21 AM
Let me see....an over 30 receiver who thinks he deserves big money is excited about the possibility of coming to catch passes from Donovan McNabb. The Eagles are interested but trying to get him for short money, so they can continue to be 30m or so under the cap. This is starting to sound very familiar....:laugh2:
Dejavue?! Perhaps! I didn't know Walker was so young -- he's only 27! Moulds is 32 years old and counting. Still, one/both will make an outstanding addition to someone.
ravidubey
03-28-2006, 10:53 AM
a McNabb/Walker connection for years to come scares me a lot more than stop gap player like Moulds
Definitely. Walker and Brown could be a dangerous duo for years to come. Our best hope is that Philadelphia continues to be squeamish about Walker's price.
ravidubey
03-28-2006, 10:57 AM
Dejavue?! Perhaps! I didn't know Walker was so young -- he's only 27! Moulds is 32 years old and counting. Still, one/both will make an outstanding addition to someone.
While I like Moulds he's never been an over-the-middle threat like his size would lend you to believe. He's a deep WR in a big WR's body. His size and talent help him gain separation from smaller corners deep, but he's never been one to consistently catch the short pass in traffic and turn it upfield for a big gain. That's what the best NFL WR's do, which is the main reason Moulds has always been just outside the radar screen in discussions of the NFL's elite WR's. Moulds makes catches in space, but does not use his body well enough unless the defender is tiny.
BrAinPaiNt
03-28-2006, 10:58 AM
Walker, Walker and Walker.
Problem is for the eagles I would imagine they would rather get Moulds because he would be Cheaper, Cheaper Cheaper IMO.
JonJon
03-28-2006, 11:04 AM
Dejavue?! Perhaps! I didn't know Walker was so young -- he's only 27! Moulds is 32 years old and counting. Still, one/both will make an outstanding addition to someone.
Talon, seriously, you don't want Moulds, especially for the long term. He is on the decline and has had a series of continual nagging injuries over the past 3 years. All signs point to him being a has-been IMO. Walker on the other hand is the real deal. This would be his fifth season, he still has a lot of upside, and is taller and faster than Moulds. His injury last season was his only major injury, so there is no evidence that he would be more injury prone than the declining Moulds.
Personally, if the Owens to Dallas deal fell through, Walker was next on my list, but I wanted to avoid Moulds at all cost. I have followed him closely for the past three seasons (mainly because he always ended up on my fantasy football team) and he seems to not have "it" anymore.
Walker would be the perfect compliment to Reggie Brown, who has some major upside and can potentially become an elite WR in the future. Your best bet would be to have Walker and Brown as your one and two, and maybe a stop gap receiver like Peerless Price as your number 3...but stay away from Moulds at all cost.
ThreeSportStar80
03-28-2006, 12:44 PM
Shouldn't this be in the NFL Zone?
Funny I thought the exact same thing!!
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 01:13 PM
Talon, seriously, you don't want Moulds, especially for the long term. He is on the decline and has had a series of continual nagging injuries over the past 3 years. All signs point to him being a has-been IMO. Walker on the other hand is the real deal. This would be his fifth season, he still has a lot of upside, and is taller and faster than Moulds. His injury last season was his only major injury, so there is no evidence that he would be more injury prone than the declining Moulds.
Personally, if the Owens to Dallas deal fell through, Walker was next on my list, but I wanted to avoid Moulds at all cost. I have followed him closely for the past three seasons (mainly because he always ended up on my fantasy football team) and he seems to not have "it" anymore.
Walker would be the perfect compliment to Reggie Brown, who has some major upside and can potentially become an elite WR in the future. Your best bet would be to have Walker and Brown as your one and two, and maybe a stop gap receiver like Peerless Price as your number 3...but stay away from Moulds at all cost.
I'm reading you jdub2k4. What about Walker's injury ...his surgery? I'm Not even sure if he's healthy. But Oter than that aspect, I agree Walker may be more solid in the long run.
Justis
03-28-2006, 01:18 PM
You know the times are improving for Cowboy fans when we will start TO and Glenn.....and the eagles are fighting for a WR on the downside of his career. On paper...I know think Dallas and Philadelphia are even....3 years ago...it wasnt even close.Actually Dallas is way better than Philly. I think the Eagles are pretty lousy right now. And Dallas is exactly one Manny Lawson away from the Super Bowl.
JonJon
03-28-2006, 01:21 PM
True, he may not be 100%, but I believe there is too much upside for the future. An 80% Walker is > or = a 100% Moulds IMO. Walker still has a good 7 to 8 years while Moulds may only have 2 or 3. Thats why you would bring in an extra swing man like Price to help take some of the pressure off Walker. Your receiving corp would then be Walker, Brown, Price, and Pinkston, with LJ Smith as the receiving TE...that's a pretty dangerous bunch to contend with.
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 01:27 PM
True, he may not be 100%, but I believe there is too much upside for the future. An 80% Walker is > or = a 100% Moulds IMO. Walker still has a good 7 to 8 years while Moulds may only have 2 or 3. Thats why you would bring in an extra swing man like Price to help take some of the pressure off Walker. Your receiving corp would then be Walker, Brown, Price, and Pinkston, with LJ Smith as the receiving TE...that's a pretty dangerous bunch to contend with.
Also true. Here's more just in ...
Moulds on move? Yes, it's true that Buffalo wide receiver Eric Moulds would love to play for the Eagles, but it remains highly unlikely that he'll be playing in Philadelphia next season. Furthermore, it's unlikely that Moulds will be going anywhere in the near future because the Bills do not have to be in a rush to trade or release him.
Moulds is due a $1 million reporting bonus at the start of training camp and is scheduled to make $7.2 million next season. The Bills do not plan to pay him that salary, but the Eagles aren't likely to give Moulds the kind of money he is seeking, either.
Besides that, a number of other teams reportedly have an interest in Moulds, including the Houston Texans, who are looking for a No. 2 receiver to replace new Eagles receiver Jabar Gaffney. The Houston Chronicle reported that the Bills are seeking a fourth-round pick for Moulds, who will be 33 at the start of next season.
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 01:40 PM
Actually Dallas is way better than Philly. I think the Eagles are pretty lousy right now. And Dallas is exactly one Manny Lawson away from the Super Bowl.
Hello Justis. Looking at your statement wearing your shoes, I wouldn't expect you to say anything differently. However this this thread wasn't about Dallas' superiority and Eagles being ...as you say "lousy."
The difference between our perspectives is that I would never say that Dallas or any other team In the NFCE is ...as you say "lousy." I assume you base your assessment on your stellar year versus our cellar year in 2005! Or perhaps your statement has historical implications. In any case, the 2006 season is barely on paper, the FA aquisitions are rapidly coming to an end, and the draft is about to start soon. I'm not suggesting it's too soon for anyone to make accusations that have not been confirmed, but wouldn't you agree that we could wait until kickoff of the regular season before we start launching missiles.:rolleyes:
BTW, do you feel that Manny Lawson is the only piece remaining for the COwboys to return to the Superbowl?:)
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 01:54 PM
Walker, Walker and Walker. Problem is for the eagles I would imagine they would rather get Moulds because he would be Cheaper, Cheaper Cheaper IMO.
Hello BP,
It's true ...historically, Eagles GM has Been ...I'll use the term "frugal," in spending cap dollars. But according to the reports, Moulds is probably looking for a minimum of $7.2 million.
That said, Moulds is not going to be a Blue-light special either. Granted, Walker may be a more expensive ticket. But if he's healthy, he may be worth it.
1Ware1
03-28-2006, 02:47 PM
I doesn't matter neither will sign with Philly.Joe Banner is so tight with his money that,you coun't blow a greased BB up his backside with a shotgun.Why else would you dump millions into Brian Westbrook,when he hasn't finished a full season in his hole career?
Once again ,all Philly teams are to cheap to spend to get better,they wold rather sitback and bragg about how underpaid there team is.The only ones who realley suffer with the saveings are the fans.HEY BANNER or LURIe !If your gonna be so dang cheap,sell the team
Bob Sacamano
03-28-2006, 02:49 PM
Shouldn't this be in the NFL Zone?
no, eaglezone
Phoenix-Talon
03-28-2006, 05:30 PM
This may rap it for this thread ...if Moulds were to come to Philly, here's what our wide receiver corp would look like ...
Moulds (perhaps Walker)
Gaffney
Brown
Pinkston
Lewis
*McCants (I'm thinking McCants would be released)
Not too shabby.
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