TD celebration with or Against

[DallasDomination]

Personally I think stoping TD celebrations is a COMPLETE JOKE!. If you dont like opposing teams celebrating then STOP them, it's called DEFENSE!.

I'm all for letting players celebrate, if you dont like it close your eyes and continue being a wuss.

[littlewebs]

No one I've talked to is against it. There's only like 7 people in the world that don't like it, but all of them make the decisions for the NFL. Sucks...

[Juke99]

No one I've talked to is against it. There's only like 7 people in the world that don't like it, but all of them make the decisions for the NFL. Sucks...


8.

I don't mind a celebration...in fact, an impromptu one is great.

This garbage of preplanned crap that Owens, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith is not only not funny...but in two words, it's bush league.

[DallasDomination]

8.

I don't mind a celebration...in fact, an impromptu one is great.

This garbage of preplanned crap that Owens, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith is not only not funny...but in two words, it's bush league.
Are you telling me you wouldnt love to see OWens run to The star extend his arms and look to the sky?


Lier:D

[MSalz87]

8.

I don't mind a celebration...in fact, an impromptu one is great.

This garbage of preplanned crap that Owens, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith is not only not funny...but in two words, it's bush league.
Definatly. Celebrations like a spike, maybe a little dance or something simple is alright. A player running to the pylon to pretend he is golfing is somewhat degrading to the league. And yes, by that I mean I think it makes the NFL look bad compared to other sports that keep their players professional, not bush league like you said.

[tyke1doe]

As with many things in life, there has to be a balance.

Joe Horn's cell phone celebration was out of bounds, IMO.

I did like TO's pom-pon celebration.

I think what concerns the NFL is the pre-planned celebrations. And being proactive, the league wants to cut that out before something more egregious occurs.

I can understand the thinking behind the policy.

[littlewebs]

I think most of them are entertaining. Maybe they could just put a time limit on it.

[bbgun]

For. Good sportsmanship doesn't just apply to Little League.

[Jay]

I think what Deion Sanders did back in the day is far worse than what's going on today. He use to hold the ball backwards and run for 20+ yards, almost playing with the opponent.

With that said, I am in favor of keeping it the way it is. What're you gonna do? Start penalizing people? Big f'in deal, they do a little irish jig, they drop the football and pretend to pump it back to life--how is this any different than the Lambeau leap, or throwing it through the uprights? It's not as if these guys rehearsed it for hours upon hours.

I think people are really taking this to an absolute extreme. People say "act like you've been there"--If I were in the NFL, and someone said that to me, I'd tell them to go **** themselves. After all the hard work these athletes put into getting into the condition that they're in, and the hours upon hours of work they've put into their bodies and their teams, let the freakin' guy celebrate if he wants to.

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Quite frankly I think it's a big conspiracy and the league is using preventive measures to stop the inevitable amount of TO endzone celebrations in 2006. :mad:

[cleverusername]

8.

I don't mind a celebration...in fact, an impromptu one is great.

This garbage of preplanned crap that Owens, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith is not only not funny...but in two words, it's bush league.

9
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[justbob]

For. Good sportsmanship doesn't just apply to Little League.


Unfortunatley it has reach a point where it doesn't even apply to little league.
Much of it because of the 1. parents and 2 the behavior of the pro player.
What started as a spike in the endzone has become a full fledged production
if someone makes a first down or a tackle. What happen to a professional
additude. Act like you been there or done that before. I still applaud the
player who goes out and does his job without thinking he has to showboat and draw attention to himself

[Jay]

What the hell is the difference between it being planned or it being random? I'm so confused..

[bbgun]

If Steve Smith can pretend to diaper a baby, then Ware should be able to do a little dance over a sacked QB. Fair is fair.

[Jay]

A sacked QB, yes, but I think some people are just idiots. You see throughout the year, for example, a defensive team celebrating after a team gains 3 yards but it's a first down. There's no reason to celebrate..

With no celebrating, where's the cut off? no way of showing emotion, can't get up and point first down, can't jump up and down, can't congratulate your teammates? I mean.. I would HOPE that they don't get rid of ALL of celebrating--such as when Julius may break for a huge TD run and then he's greeted by his offensive lineman who hoist him up in the air.

If you take out ALL celebrating in the game, you're taking out the emotion.

[littlewebs]

Other than delaying the game for a few seconds, I guess I just don't see anything negative about the celebrations. It makes people laugh, and the defense never seems to get upset. If anyone is to be offended, shouldn't they?

In baseball, a celebration after a home run in the 2nd inning will result in a first pitch fastball in the ear on that players 4th inning at bat. This is just how it works in baseball. The opposing players have a problem with it, so it doesn't happen. I can see why these guys are upset that a bunch of billionaires, many of which didn't ever play football, are making up these rules. I mean, the defense they just scored on shows absolutely no signs of being offended.

[MSalz87]

I mean, the defense they just scored on shows absolutely no signs of being offended.

T.O. didnt offend the Cowboys defense? The Fun Bunch wasnt broken up by the Dallas Defense?

Players do get offended and for the most part stay quiet. Currently, to use the skins as an example, Santana Moss doesnt do much in terms of celebration in the end zone. Other than the occasional leap into the stands, and strange jiggle he does whenever he scores a 1st down, he tries to keep it professional on the field. Clinton Portis however annoys me sometimes with celebrations like a Cartwheel, a weird dance, or pretending to be bringing a football back to life as he did last season. I would like to see the behavior of Moss and players like him to be the league standard rather than players like Portis, T.O. Chad Johnson, Joe Horn, etc.

Look at the NBA, everyone freaked out about the dress code thing but do they look more professional? Do they look more respectable?

I think so.

[ConcordCowboy]

Spontaneous celebrations are fine...Pre planned stuff I could do without.

But the problem I have is a Game could potentially be affected by the penalty for these celebrations and I don't think they are that bad to affect a game.

What they should do is fine these guys BIG TIME...I'm talking 100,000 maybe 200,000 for doing these celebrations and they would stop.

[Jay]

Hold up now.. there's a difference between TO's celebration in the middle of the star, and the other celebrations we're talking about. They aren't bashing any team..

Inform me, please--does it hurt the defense's feelings that Chad Johnson, upon scoring a TD, does a little irish jig? Or that Steve Smith pretends to have a sword fight with the ball?

If so, I thought these were men, and not little babies.





"Look at the NBA, everyone freaked out about the dress code thing but do they look more professional? Do they look more respectable?

I think so."

Apples and oranges! You're nuts, how is this even a basis for your argument? LOL

There is NO comparison between the two. If someone didn't follow the dress code, would they award the other team free throws? This has a chance to AFFECT THE GAME.

[Juke99]

I think what Deion Sanders did back in the day is far worse than what's going on today. He use to hold the ball backwards and run for 20+ yards, almost playing with the opponent.

With that said, I am in favor of keeping it the way it is. What're you gonna do? Start penalizing people? Big f'in deal, they do a little irish jig, they drop the football and pretend to pump it back to life--how is this any different than the Lambeau leap, or throwing it through the uprights? It's not as if these guys rehearsed it for hours upon hours.

I think people are really taking this to an absolute extreme. People say "act like you've been there"--If I were in the NFL, and someone said that to me, I'd tell them to go **** themselves. After all the hard work these athletes put into getting into the condition that they're in, and the hours upon hours of work they've put into their bodies and their teams, let the freakin' guy celebrate if he wants to.


No one wants to stop them from celebrating...in fact, maybe if one of them came up with something even remotely entertaining, I'd like that too...but let's face it, what God gaveth with one hand....

These guys don't have the creativity of a toaster oven.

[Jay]

Then why not turn your head and ignore it? Does it REALLY bother you that much?

I'm sorry, but if I were an Eagle fan when TO was doing the Eagle wave, I would have been loving it.

(I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit)

[littlewebs]

T.O. didnt offend the Cowboys defense? The Fun Bunch wasnt broken up by the Dallas Defense?

Players do get offended and for the most part stay quiet. Currently, to use the skins as an example, Santana Moss doesnt do much in terms of celebration in the end zone. Other than the occasional leap into the stands, and strange jiggle he does whenever he scores a 1st down, he tries to keep it professional on the field. Clinton Portis however annoys me sometimes with celebrations like a Cartwheel, a weird dance, or pretending to be bringing a football back to life as he did last season. I would like to see the behavior of Moss and players like him to be the league standard rather than players like Portis, T.O. Chad Johnson, Joe Horn, etc.

Look at the NBA, everyone freaked out about the dress code thing but do they look more professional? Do they look more respectable?

I think so.

I was referring to the new Chad Johnson, Steve Smith Fun and Silliness Endzone Celebration Era. Proposing to your own team's cheerleader doesn't offend the defense. Rowing a boat? Giving out presents? Fake pirate swordfight? Riverdance? Changing the ball's diaper?

Do you guys remember Merton Hanks' crazy neck thing? He was a Niner and I hated them, but he cracked me up! TO on the star was disrespectful, and his Ray Lewis impersonation was too, but the rest, imo, is just all in good fun and should be allowed.

[MSalz87]

Hold up now.. there's a difference between TO's celebration in the middle of the star, and the other celebrations we're talking about. They aren't bashing any team..

Inform me, please--does it hurt the defense's feelings that Chad Johnson, upon scoring a TD, does a little irish jig? Or that Steve Smith pretends to have a sword fight with the ball?

If so, I thought these were men, and not little babies.





"Look at the NBA, everyone freaked out about the dress code thing but do they look more professional? Do they look more respectable?

I think so."

Apples and oranges! You're nuts, how is this even a basis for your argument? LOL

There is NO comparison between the two. If someone didn't follow the dress code, would they award the other team free throws? This has a chance to AFFECT THE GAME.

It has an effect on the image of the game which is what I was talking about above that statement in my post, and im my previous posts on this thread, just as dressing trashy in the NBA was thought to be dragging down their league's image, dancing around like a fool and taunting another team hurts the image of the NFL which was my point.

As for it changing the outcome of a game, that is pointless. All I can think of is a suspension hearing for a player doing a stupid end zone celebration. If Chad Johnson's team winning their next game is at risk instead of his large pocketbook, maybe he will think twice about teeing off on a football in the endzone.

[ConcordCowboy]

I was referring to the new Chad Johnson, Steve Smith Fun and Silliness Endzone Celebration Era. Proposing to your own team's cheerleader doesn't offend the defense. Rowing a boat? Giving out presents? Fake pirate swordfight? Riverdance? Changing the ball's diaper?

Do you guys remember Merton Hanks' crazy neck thing? He was a Niner and I hated them, but he cracked me up! TO on the star was disrespectful, and his Ray Lewis impersonation was too, but the rest, imo, is just all in good fun and should be allowed.

OMG I hated that...But he was a damn good player...

[Jay]

TO on the star was disrespectful, and his Ray Lewis impersonation was too, but the rest, imo, is just all in good fun and should be allowed.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

And yeah, Merton Hanks' celebration was hilarious. I remember him calling it the "big bird", cause he used to watch big bird with his kid and thought about what would happen if big bird flung his neck back and forth. :lmao:

But man oh man did I hate him! But of course, the only reason I hated him was because he was a Niner and it was out of respect, because he was a good player.

[t.o.boys81]

I think any player has the right to celebrate scoring points for their team. I mean, isn't that what football is all about? TO has to have his right to make a mockery of the opposing team because they can't cover him.

[littlewebs]

It has an effect on the image of the game which is what I was talking about above that statement in my post, and im my previous posts on this thread, just as dressing trashy in the NBA was thought to be dragging down their league's image, dancing around like a fool and taunting another team hurts the image of the NFL which was my point.

As for it changing the outcome of a game, that is pointless. All I can think of is a suspension hearing for a player doing a stupid end zone celebration. If Chad Johnson's team winning their next game is at risk instead of his large pocketbook, maybe he will think twice about teeing off on a football in the endzone.

I think they're just considering a 15-yard penalty on the kickoff. No suspensions.

[Jay]

If we're going to kill all the emotion shown throughout the game, we should stop risking players' health and put robots out there.

[t.o.boys81]

If we're going to kill all the emotion shown throughout the game, we should stop risking players' health and put robots out there.

I agree.

[MSalz87]

I think they're just considering a 15-yard penalty on the kickoff. No suspensions.

Well if the threat was there for anything pre-planned and they had a hearing about it where it was discussed whether or not it was wrong- whether or not the player could be suspended, you would see a lot less of the stupid things going on. I am not saying to take all the emotion out of the game and play with robots, im just saying where is the emotion in a pre planned celebration??? If you made it up ahead of time, were you emotional because of a touchdown catch to take the lead before you knew it would happen? A player doing something like spiking the ball, pounding their chest a bit, jumping into the stands, maybe doing a quick little dance, those are the real emotional celebrations- not something some guy planned beforehand.

[Jay]

Yeah, because we all know Lambeau leaps aren't planned before. Give me a break.. we're gonna start attempting to sift out the pre-planned with the ones that aren't? That's just ridiculous..

[jazzcat22]

As with many things in life, there has to be a balance.

Joe Horn's cell phone celebration was out of bounds, IMO.

I did like TO's pom-pon celebration.

I think what concerns the NFL is the pre-planned celebrations. And being proactive, the league wants to cut that out before something more egregious occurs.

I can understand the thinking behind the policy.

Yeah, like what TO will do at Philly when he scores, probably on a Monday night game. The league wants to cut if off. Not so much that it is TO, but also it's the Cowboys. Yet again another rule put in place because of a Dallas Cowboy :eek:
Let them dance, do the pom pom thing, do snow angels. Yes the Horn thing was way over done. TO's Sharpie thing was pretty cool. But I can see the rule of hiding things in your uniform and goal post, or wherever or the pylon deal. But no celebrating on the ground. That is rediculous.

How rules now, Emmitt, Erik Williams, Roy Williams, and now TO in way. Maybe Irvin, since they call the push off more now. Any others. Switzer, no hot dogs on the sideline :confused:

[ghst187]

funny how they address this after TO becomes a Cowboy.....

[jem88]

Santana Moss doesnt do much in terms of celebration in the end zone. Other than the occasional leap into the stands, and strange jiggle he does whenever he scores a 1st down, he tries to keep it professional on the field.
God I wish he were a Cowboy! One of the coolest players in the league. He may not go into a 'routine', but he looks pretty cool when he scores. I agree with what Juke was saying earlier: if these guys had any wit or creativity, I'd have no problem- I used to love seeing the California Quake. But you get the sense some of these guys spend an inordinate amount of time planning celebrations that usually aren't that funny. I'll take Irvin's weird endzone strut (I don't even know how to articulate that routine) any day.

[DallasDomination]

I little TD celebration isnt going to hurt anyone I swear some people get so BUtt Hurt over things it's not even funny. If you dont like it when a player celebrates and makes your Defense look like Crap then I say go out and stop him, It's as simple as that.

And why are people making such a big deal about T.O and the Star incident?lol So WHAT!!! Yea it hurt the Dallas COWBOY fans but I bet the Niner fans were loving it. It's all part of the game just get over it.

Like Jay said earlier in this thread, if you're going to take out all the emotion in a game just go out there and put Robots.:lmao: :lmao:

[Aikmaniac]

Call me old school, but I love it when someone scores and acts like they've been there before.

Bring the crowd to their feet while playing the game, not acting like a clown.

[Clove]

It's all entertainment. Fans showboat, fans scream and talk trash in the stands. Fans get drunk and ack like a**es around kids at the stadium, but it's not alright for the players to have fun and entertain the crowd? Pathetic.

[Clove]

Call me old school, but I love it when someone scores and acts like they've been there before.

Bring the crowd to their feet while playing the game, not acting like a clown.I see you have a race car in your sig. I guess when a nascar guy does donuts in the grass after winning isn't show boating huh?

[RW Hitman]

I think celebrating in the endzone is fine no matter how as long as it is tasteful. I have no problem with someone pretending to golf, or spin the ball pretending to shoot it, or whatever....

I agree with whoever said before that what are they going to do about it? penalize the team yardage?
I mean come on, defenses can no longer hit a qb, db's can't even barely look at wrs anymore without being penalized, cannot take your helmut off on the field, dbs have only a certain way to tackle a off. guy with the ball legally (see horse collar rule), and now they want to penalize teams when players celebrate a td that they worked hard at getting?
NFL is starting to stand for No Fun League!

NFL needs to stop acting like a bunch of sissy girls and just let them play the game and have fun while doing it.

[Aikmaniac]

I see you have a race car in your sig. I guess when a nascar guy does donuts in the grass after winning isn't show boating huh?

That's celebrating after winning the game (or race), not after scoring a touchdown.

That would be like doing donuts after being the first out of the pits or when they make a pass for the lead.

BTW, not everyone does donuts after a victory just as not everyone changes the football's diaper after scoring a touchdown.

[Doomsday101]

Personally I think stoping TD celebrations is a COMPLETE JOKE!. If you dont like opposing teams celebrating then STOP them, it's called DEFENSE!.

I'm all for letting players celebrate, if you dont like it close your eyes and continue being a wuss.

NFL is not stopping players from celebrating they can within reason but because some guys feel the need to go overboard the NFL is just going to get a bit more strick about it.

[SoTex]

The NFL is entertainment...As long as the majority of money spending fans are not against it, I don't see it being totally abolished. It doesn't really bother me. I'm already thinking ahead to how Dallas is going to do on the next series (offense or defense). I still like the guys that hand the ball to the ref and jog back to the sidelines.

[AsthmaField]

They can do any enzone celebration that they want to... it doesn't bother me any at all. What do I like? I happen to like it when a guy scores, he flips the ball to the ref, and his team mates run up and they all start hugging and slapping each other on the helment. I like the team to look happy they helped their team mate score.

Just enthusiasm all around.

Now the pre-planned stuff just usually doesn't do that much for me... but it usually doesn't offend me either. Every now and then there's one that I think is funny and when I see it, I laugh and like it. Most though are just silly and meant to draw attention to themselves (marketing).

I guess it's best to say that I judge each celebration on its own merits and if its good, then I like it. If it's not, then I don't.

Meh, whatever... just don't change the best sport in the known universe.

[notherbob]

I enjoy spontaneous celebrations of joy, after all, making a great play is a proper occasion for joy. On the other hand, taunting the other team is not a celebration of joy, it is an act of adolescent immaturity and will sooner or later lead to a bench-emptying brawl with someone getting seriously hurt. Football is a game not a gangfight, but sooner or later taunting will turn it into that. Then it will be time to do something about it.

What's the difference between celebrating and taunting? I can't define it, but sooner or later the players will.

That's they way things go; people push the limit more and more until something tragic happens, then they back off and wonder "How could something like this happen?"

[Clove]

That's celebrating after winning the game (or race), not after scoring a touchdown.

That would be like doing donuts after being the first out of the pits or when they make a pass for the lead.

BTW, not everyone does donuts after a victory just as not everyone changes the football's diaper after scoring a touchdown.It's still showing up the opponant, no matter what you say. Your sport does it, it's okay, our sport does it, it's show boating. What are we really implying here?

[txlonghorn14]

football is a sport, as well as entertainment. if the fans pay their hard earned money to watch a game, they should be entertained. i think guys like chad johnson, terrell owens, and joe horn should be allowed to express their creativity when they score TD's. if the NFL doesn't like it, TELL THE DEFENSES TO COWBOY UP! let 'em celebrate.

[koolaid]

the NFL is right on this one, endzone dances are the reason for the decline of western civilization...:rolleyes:

ok seriously though, it seems like they want to eliminate everything the fans want. ie; encouraging officials to call more pass interference calls, having way to many tackling restrictions, and now the celebrations..wheres the emotion?

[Double Trouble]

I'm all for it. The players are still professionals and should act as such. If players - Cowboys or otherwise - insist on acting like fools, I hope they're penalized accordingly.

[Undisputed]

football is a sport, as well as entertainment. if the fans pay their hard earned money to watch a game, they should be entertained. i think guys like chad johnson, terrell owens, and joe horn should be allowed to express their creativity when they score TD's. if the NFL doesn't like it, TELL THE DEFENSES TO COWBOY UP! let 'em celebrate.

Exactly my feelings. Why kill the entertainment aspect? I mean if someone's celebration is not funny, then let them look like a fool. But if it is, the fans can really enjoy themselves as well. I remember people going ape**** when Chad Johnson scored on that bomb TD and then went crazier when he proposed to the cheerleader. Pretty unreal level of emotion for such a simple thing...

[DallasDomination]

I'm all for it. The players are still professionals and should act as such. If players - Cowboys or otherwise - insist on acting like fools, I hope they're penalized accordingly.

Boy Football Players are not professionals they make a living playing a GAME. They're job is to entertain us nothing more.

[wesleyc288]

It was just getting way out of control, im all for it. I have no problem with a simple spike, or dunk over the goalpost, or even a little endzone dance. What i do have a problem with is Proposing to a cheerleader, Practicing a 10 foot putt with a pylon, and Paddling through the Endzone with an imaginary Canoe. Im glad that they are getting more strict on this issue, But i hope that they dont try to take away celebrations as a whole.

[InmanRoshi]

I think its assinine. Its not "taunting", its entertaining the fans. These endzone celebrations do not involve the opponent in any way, shape or form. As long as it isn't delaying the game for extended periods or refering to anything obscene, I could care less about what they do in the endzone

Taunting is when defensive players makes a takle and hover over the ball carrier while they are on the ground. Taunting is a CB talking smack to the WR everytime he bats down an intended pass. If you want to get real about taunting, do something about that. Real taunting goes on every down by the defense, and its called "passion" and "intimidation". How come its only illegal when the offense does it?

[Doomsday101]

I think its assinine. Its not "taunting", its entertaining the fans. These endzone celebrations do not involve the opponent in any way, shape or form. As long as it isn't delaying the game for extended periods or refering to anything obscene, I could care less about what they do in the endzone

Taunting is when defensive players makes a takle and hover over the ball carrier while they are on the ground. Taunting is a CB talking smack to the WR everytime he bats down an intended pass. If you want to get real about taunting, do something about that. Real taunting goes on every down by the defense, and its called "passion" and "intimidation". How come its only illegal when the offense does it?

Based off what I have seen Players can still celebrate in the endzone, they can't run out to mid-field and celebrate (ala TO) use props (ala TO,Horn and Johnson) but the players can still dance,spike, spin and dunk the ball. No one is taking celebration away they are trying to stop the excess that is starting to take place.

[Clove]

I'm all for it. The players are still professionals and should act as such. If players - Cowboys or otherwise - insist on acting like fools, I hope they're penalized accordingly.Yeah, let's make them wear church pants and say scriptures before each play. Get real dude, this is entertainment, not a stock-market board meeting. Let the guys have fun and celebrate, no harm and danger in it, it's just a cultural thing.
Other cultures don't do it that way, it doesn't make it wrong just cause some people are God like and grew up in a different neighborhood. Just let the guys have fun and worry about more important things in life.

[txlonghorn14]

Yeah, let's make them wear church pants and say scriptures before each play. Get real dude, this is entertainment, not a stock-market board meeting. Let the guys have fun and celebrate, no harm and danger in it, it's just a cultural thing.
Other cultures don't do it that way, it doesn't make it wrong just cause some people are God like and grew up in a different neighborhood. Just let the guys have fun and worry about more important things in life.

the country's at war, and the NFL is worried about friggin TD celebrations. time to put things in perspective. i agree with ya :shoot2: