WT: Taylor case may change

[WoodysGirl]

There might be yet another twist in the ongoing criminal case involving Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor. Edward Carhart, one of Taylor's attorneys for the trial on assault and battery charges that is supposed to start on April 10 in Miami, said yesterday the state is considering changes.

"The whole case is on the table," said Carhart, who expects to hear from assistant state attorney Michael Grieco today about a review of the charges.

Taylor, who turns 23 tomorrow, faces a maximum of 46 years in prison on three felony assault charges and one simple battery count stemming from an incident last June in Miami. Taylor has been embroiled in controversy since Washington chose him fifth overall in the 2004 draft. The former University of Miami star has been fined by the NFL for walking out on the mandatory rookie symposium, for late hits and for spitting on Tampa Bay's Michael Pittman. Taylor also refused to attend the Redskins' conditioning program in preparation for the 2005 season. However, Taylor, who has shone on the field, was on hand when workouts for 2006 began on Monday.

--David Elfin

LINK (http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20060331-122938-8497r.htm)

[BroGreg]

There might be yet another twist in the ongoing criminal case involving Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor. Edward Carhart, one of Taylor's attorneys for the trial on assault and battery charges that is supposed to start on April 10 in Miami, said yesterday the state is considering changes.

"The whole case is on the table," said Carhart, who expects to hear from assistant state attorney Michael Grieco today about a review of the charges.

Taylor, who turns 23 tomorrow, faces a maximum of 46 years in prison on three felony assault charges and one simple battery count stemming from an incident last June in Miami. Taylor has been embroiled in controversy since Washington chose him fifth overall in the 2004 draft. The former University of Miami star has been fined by the NFL for walking out on the mandatory rookie symposium, for late hits and for spitting on Tampa Bay's Michael Pittman. Taylor also refused to attend the Redskins' conditioning program in preparation for the 2005 season. However, Taylor, who has shone on the field, was on hand when workouts for 2006 began on Monday.

--David Elfin

LINK (http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20060331-122938-8497r.htm)

So what you are really saying is the case will either be:
- Delayed
- Charges Reduced
- Tossed out all together

Sounds like Snyder spent some money somewhere else during Free Agency.

[Yeagermeister]

I have been saying all along nothing will happen to him.

[Charles]

I have been saying all along nothing will happen to him.
I totally agree.

[Wheat]

The witnesses for the state mostly have criminal records themselves. Perhaps something happened with them.

Either way, pro athletes are out of control.

I'm a Skins fan and still think Taylor should be in jail if he did this.

[sacase]

The witnesses for the state mostly have criminal records themselves. Perhaps something happened with them.

Either way, pro athletes are out of control.

I'm a Skins fan and still think Taylor should be in jail if he did this.

Once again, where has it been reported the the the witnesses for the state have criminal records! I look for it extensivly, and never found any proof of that. Its just rhetoric that ES has spun up.

[Crown Royal]

I'm curious to what the 'changes' are. I still hold that the DA would never give this guy a break because of his status, rather that someone in Taylor's position would be a target.

If they are planning on altering the charges or something, sounds to me like the case wasn't as rock solid as the DA originally led us to believe. Perhaps he didn't notice that in his zeal to get a conviction of a high profile individual.

[burmafrd]

Or MAYBE they are going to ADD to the charges. Your really anything truthfull out of Taylors mouthpiece?

[CowboyWay]

Once again, where has it been reported the the the witnesses for the state have criminal records! I look for it extensivly, and never found any proof of that. Its just rhetoric that ES has spun up.


I couldn't agree more. I've looked for it too, and couldn't find anything. If you press the guys at ES about where they found out those guys had records, they just go silent.

[SkinsFan26]

Once again, where has it been reported the the the witnesses for the state have criminal records! I look for it extensivly, and never found any proof of that. Its just rhetoric that ES has spun up.

It was mentioned in the Miami herald back in the summer when this was hot news. That newspaper does not archive their articles. I assure you that these punks had seen jailtime before stealing from ST.

Regardless, the only witnesses from the prosecution are felons themselves for stealing and shooting up a house.

I have a feeling the prosecution is about to drop their case. I say 'case' lightly, obviously.

[BrAinPaiNt]

It was mentioned in the Miami herald back in the summer when this was hot news. That newspaper does not archive their articles. I assure you that these punks had seen jailtime before stealing from ST.

Regardless, the only witnesses from the prosecution are felons themselves for stealing and shooting up a house.

I have a feeling the prosecution is about to drop their case. I say 'case' lightly, obviously.

Will one of you skins fans PLEASE find a link because I get tired of someone sayings...find me a link and skins fans fumbling around without finding a link.

Chances are these guys did indeed have a record, surely one of you guys can find a link, I mean surely someone on that huge message board at ES has a link.

[leotisbrown]

My nose sniffs out a rats droppings ehar.

I suspect the DA done found evdence that Taylor and his posse have tried out a bribary on some of the witness's.

Taylors crew have intimidates them into not testify with promises of moneys for not witnessing things on the stand when the trial comes to cort. And or threatenings to beat them- they familys- and women folks up "Taylor style" if they do turn states evidence on the dirty Deadskin from the "U".

D.A must have founded this out and Taylor about to get some hard time at state federal pen making license plates for 30 cents an hour. Ha ha ha!!

Me hopes he gets locked up with Big Rough Bubba type that will force all kind of mishaps on him when the guards are eating donuts and coffees.

Mayhap Taylor leave jailings with time off for good behaving in a few years married to Bubba and hoping to live life without no closet for hiding his actions.

Would laugh to see him come out wearing dress- high heels and lipstick-- switching around and popping bubble gum to boot!! Ha ha ha ha!!!

Once agains Mister Jerry Jones done outwit Moneygrubbin:) Snyder.

[Danny White]

My nose sniffs out a rats droppings ehar.

I suspect the DA done found evdence that Taylor and his posse have tried out a bribary on some of the witness's.

Taylors crew have intimidates them into not testify with promises of moneys for not witnessing things on the stand when the trial comes to cort. And or threatenings to beat them- they familys- and women folks up "Taylor style" if they do turn states evidence on the dirty Deadskin from the "U".

D.A must have founded this out and Taylor about to get some hard time at state federal pen making license plates for 30 cents an hour. Ha ha ha!!

Me hopes he gets locked up with Big Rough Bubba type that will force all kind of mishaps on him when the guards are eating donuts and coffees.

Mayhap Taylor leave jailings with time off for good behaving in a few years married to Bubba and hoping to live life without no closet for hiding his actions.

Would laugh to see him come out wearing dress- high heels and lipstick-- switching around and popping bubble gum to boot!! Ha ha ha ha!!!

Once agains Mister Jerry Jones done outwit Moneygrubbin:) Snyder.
Another classic gem from my all-time favorite poster!!!

Preach-on brother leotis!

[sacase]

It was mentioned in the Miami herald back in the summer when this was hot news. That newspaper does not archive their articles. I assure you that these punks had seen jailtime before stealing from ST.

Regardless, the only witnesses from the prosecution are felons themselves for stealing and shooting up a house.

I have a feeling the prosecution is about to drop their case. I say 'case' lightly, obviously.

Yes the "unarchived" Miami Herald article that magically has disappeared and can't be found on any message boards such as extreme skins that archieves these things. I think it is funny how the true victims have not even been charged with a crime, yet they are already convicted in a skins fans mind for stealing ST's ATV's and shooting up his car and his buddy's house. Yet Taylor, who has had charges pressed against him, is completly innocent. Yes they belive ST whose word is above all reproach. I mean this is not the same guy who spit in pittman's face on NATIONAL Tv then lied to his own coach and said he didn't do it. :enough:

The more I hear about it the more I think he is guilty. Only question is does he serve any time.

[BigDFan5]

It was mentioned in the Miami herald back in the summer when this was hot news. That newspaper does not archive their articles.


LMAO how convienant




I assure you that these punks had seen jailtime before stealing from ST.

I am thinking the assurances of an uber homer is not enough. If you are going to continue to say assanine things then maybe you should back them up. Lets recap some things you have said

The plaintiffs have extensive criminal records
The Police found guns on the plaintiffs
The Police matched bullets from the plaintiffs guns to Taylors house being shot up
The ATVs were recovered from the plaintiffs and returned to taylor
The Plaintiffs have been charged with shoting Taylors house.
The Plaintiffs were arrested

Now you have shown proof of NONE of these, and dont give me the miami herald BS because the Washington papers would have picked all of this up too. So go find a link or begone!
Regardless, the only witnesses from the prosecution are felons themselves for stealing and shooting up a house.




I have a feeling the prosecution is about to drop their case. I say 'case' lightly, obviously.


I have a feeling you are wrong

[Gaede]

Not suprised if these changes are beneficial to Taylor.

Disgusted, yeah. But we all saw this coming.

[Pokes28]

The bad thing about the mandatoy jail time is that it makes it harder to get a conviction.

Who cares if the guys that are accusing Taylor have a record of jail time? Does that mean that anybody at any time can pull a gun on them without reprocussion? I agree that their character of witnesses has to be taken into account, but it isn't everything in total. If it is, then ex-cons would essentially never have any rights again.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[CrazyCowboy]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks and Taylor has plenty of it!

[JackMagist]

There might be yet another twist in the ongoing criminal case involving Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor. Edward Carhart, one of Taylor's attorneys for the trial on assault and battery charges that is supposed to start on April 10 in Miami, said yesterday the state is considering changes.

"The whole case is on the table," said Carhart, who expects to hear from assistant state attorney Michael Grieco today about a review of the charges.

Taylor, who turns 23 tomorrow, faces a maximum of 46 years in prison on three felony assault charges and one simple battery count stemming from an incident last June in Miami. Taylor has been embroiled in controversy since Washington chose him fifth overall in the 2004 draft. The former University of Miami star has been fined by the NFL for walking out on the mandatory rookie symposium, for late hits and for spitting on Tampa Bay's Michael Pittman. Taylor also refused to attend the Redskins' conditioning program in preparation for the 2005 season. However, Taylor, who has shone on the field, was on hand when workouts for 2006 began on Monday.

--David Elfin This doesn't really sound like much news to me. Attorneys have meetings with the DA's office about every case. They try to out maneuver each other, they offer and/or reject plea bargains or they try to get the charges dropped or evidence thrown out. It is all Standard Operating Procedure for these guys who Commit Lawyering for a living.

[SkinsFan26]

Yes the "unarchived" Miami Herald article that magically has disappeared and can't be found on any message boards such as extreme skins that archieves these things. I think it is funny how the true victims have not even been charged with a crime, yet they are already convicted in a skins fans mind for stealing ST's ATV's and shooting up his car and his buddy's house. Yet Taylor, who has had charges pressed against him, is completly innocent. Yes they belive ST whose word is above all reproach. I mean this is not the same guy who spit in pittman's face on NATIONAL Tv then lied to his own coach and said he didn't do it. :enough:

The more I hear about it the more I think he is guilty. Only question is does he serve any time.

Get back to me when the case is dismissed in a few days.

[Avery]

Pro athletes don't get jail time. Jayson Williams shot and killed someone because he apparently thinks it's okay to twirl around shotguns when he's bored. He's still hanging around while they mull whether to retry him on manslaughter charges.

[JackMagist]

Get back to me when the case is dismissed in a few days.See ya in Court :D

[BigDFan5]

Get back to me when the case is dismissed in a few days.


Translation "I have no links or evidence to backup my nonsensicle claims, I am just a Redskins homer and Sean Taylor is my hero. I cuddle my Sean Taylor doll every night and he tells me he didnt do it so I believe him!"

[Jarv]

Even if the case is plea barginned down, the NFL will suspend for some games.

[silverbear]

So what you are really saying is the case will either be:
- Delayed
- Charges Reduced
- Tossed out all together

Sounds like Snyder spent some money somewhere else during Free Agency.

Sounds like a plea bargain to me...

[silver]

My nose sniffs out a rats droppings ehar.

I suspect the DA done found evdence that Taylor and his posse have tried out a bribary on some of the witness's.

Taylors crew have intimidates them into not testify with promises of moneys for not witnessing things on the stand when the trial comes to cort. And or threatenings to beat them- they familys- and women folks up "Taylor style" if they do turn states evidence on the dirty Deadskin from the "U".

D.A must have founded this out and Taylor about to get some hard time at state federal pen making license plates for 30 cents an hour. Ha ha ha!!

Me hopes he gets locked up with Big Rough Bubba type that will force all kind of mishaps on him when the guards are eating donuts and coffees.

Mayhap Taylor leave jailings with time off for good behaving in a few years married to Bubba and hoping to live life without no closet for hiding his actions.

Would laugh to see him come out wearing dress- high heels and lipstick-- switching around and popping bubble gum to boot!! Ha ha ha ha!!!

Once agains Mister Jerry Jones done outwit Moneygrubbin:) Snyder.

:laugh2: post of the day

[silverbear]

It was mentioned in the Miami herald back in the summer when this was hot news. That newspaper does not archive their articles. I assure you that these punks had seen jailtime before stealing from ST.

Regardless, the only witnesses from the prosecution are felons themselves for stealing and shooting up a house.

Strange, I don't seem to recall any of them being CHARGED with any crimes... not the theft of those ATVs, not the drive-by shooting...

You'd obviously make a fine and impartial juror, LOL...

I have a feeling the prosecution is about to drop their case. I say 'case' lightly, obviously.

Then you really ARE a homer's homer...

Try thinking, son-- it's the DEFENSE attorney, dropping hints about future plans by the prosecution... this guy is trying to sway the court of public opinion, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear about a gag order being issued by the judge in the next day or so...

Beyond that, the prosecutor in question has staked his reputation, indeed his career, on this high profile case... for him to suddenly drop the case now (something even Carhart didn't suggest), would spell the end of his career as a prosecutor...

Nope, it's far more likely that what Taylor's lawyer is hinting at is some kind of plea bargain, one that Taylor is willing to go for... of course, if Sean cops a plea to ANYTHING, even if he avoids jail time altogether, then the NFL is gonna want to issue some disciplinary action of their own... given the slap on the wrist that Jamal Lewis got for his guilty plea, such action would likely not amount to much more than a brief, and I emphasize brief, suspension...

My hunch is that the prosecutor came to them with a sentence that includes minimal jail time, which can be served in the offseason...

If Taylor and his lawyers were sitting in a strong position right now, though, you wouldn't see them trying to play the media this way... that much is fairly certain, so it's quite ridiculous of you to expect this is unabashed good news for your favorite sociopath...

[Gaede]

It is all Standard Operating Procedure for these guys who Commit Lawyering for a living.

lol...I like the choice of words :laugh2:

[silverbear]

Get back to me when the case is dismissed in a few days.

English translation-- when challenged directly, I can't substantiate ANY of the BS claims I've made in regards to this case...

This is the clearest possible proof that I'm just DREAMING about this kind of outcome, with no basis in reality for my dreams...

Oh Gawd, I'm beginning to speak fluent Skins homerese...

[SkinsFan26]

As a Redskins fan, of course I want to assume the best will happen for Sean.

As Cowboys fans, of course you all want to assume the worst will happen for Sean.

That being said, none of us know what really happened. In fact, half of what we read about this case is probably false.

Reading what was published today, 10 days before trial, all of us must agree that he probably will not see any jail time. Truthfully, 5 months ago none of us truly believed he would serve any time. The prosecution never seemed to have a case and following precedent of rich athletes on trial, even if the prosecution had a case he would have been found not guilty.

[burmafrd]

Or maybe the prosecution is smart enough to keep quiet. And drop the big one on the day of the trial.

[1fisher]

Yes the "unarchived" Miami Herald article that magically has disappeared and can't be found on any message boards such as extreme skins that archieves these things. I think it is funny how the true victims have not even been charged with a crime, yet they are already convicted in a skins fans mind for stealing ST's ATV's and shooting up his car and his buddy's house. Yet Taylor, who has had charges pressed against him, is completly innocent. Yes they belive ST whose word is above all reproach. I mean this is not the same guy who spit in pittman's face on NATIONAL Tv then lied to his own coach and said he didn't do it. :enough:

The more I hear about it the more I think he is guilty. Only question is does he serve any time.

before I got banned at that chicken crap site called ES.... there were some posters on there arguing that the film was altered and ST did not spit in pitmans face..... They even argued that it was normal for ST to spit when he talked.... SOME of those guys are just plain ignorant! Call it like it is... don't kiss the guys butt just because he plays on your favorite team! Friggin' homers!:laugh2:

[WoodysGirl]

As a Redskins fan, of course I want to assume the best will happen for Sean.

As Cowboys fans, of course you all want to assume the worst will happen for Sean.

That being said, none of us know what really happened. In fact, half of what we read about this case is probably false.

Reading what was published today, 10 days before trial, all of us must agree that he probably will not see any jail time. Truthfully, 5 months ago none of us truly believed he would serve any time. The prosecution never seemed to have a case and following precedent of rich athletes on trial, even if the prosecution had a case he would have been found not guilty.Count me out as one who wants to assume the worst for the guy. You hate to see young men use poor judgment and put themselves in a situation that lead to this whole thing. And he's clearly guilty of poor judgment. As for legally, I don't know.

But, you're mistaken if you think the prosecution doesn't think they have a case. This is judicial posturing at its best. I'd advise everyone not to jump to conclusions either way until the legal process has run its course.

[Crown Royal]

Count me out as one who wants to assume the worst for the guy. You hate to see young men use poor judgment and put themselves in a situation that lead to this whole thing. And he's clearly guilty of poor judgment. As for legally, I don't know.

But, you're mistaken if you think the prosecution doesn't think they have a case. This is judicial posturing at its best. I'd advise everyone not to jump to conclusions either way until the legal process has run its course.

Best post in this thread.

[NFCEast4life]

before I got banned at that chicken crap site called ES.... there were some posters on there arguing that the film was altered and ST did not spit in pitmans face..... They even argued that it was normal for ST to spit when he talked.... SOME of those guys are just plain ignorant! Call it like it is... don't kiss the guys butt just because he plays on your favorite team! Friggin' homers!:laugh2:
Man I had no idea you guys hate ST so much that you started a thread on it. Instead of having a civil discussion about the case all I read is everyone staying along their "party" lines: boys fan (guilty) skins fan (not guilty). I would assume that boys fans could care less either way and if he is found not guilty you guys can look forward to making him look like the inferior Saftey of the NFCE.

[NFCEast4life]

Count me out as one who wants to assume the worst for the guy. You hate to see young men use poor judgment and put themselves in a situation that lead to this whole thing. And he's clearly guilty of poor judgment. As for legally, I don't know.But, you're mistaken if you think the prosecution doesn't think they have a case. This is judicial posturing at its best. I'd advise everyone not to jump to conclusions either way until the legal process has run its course.
You guys are treating this like it's a typical criminal case (which it should be) but once again money can buy freedom in our lovely judicial system as we all know. There is no judicial process when the defendant is a wealthy individiual, nonetheless an athlete in the most popular sport in this country. We can hope and pray for whatever our desires lead us, but we all know how the systems works for certain individuals and ST is no different.

[zrinkill]

Get back to me when the case is dismissed in a few days.This is the same guy who claimed Taylor never has once tackled a guy with his pads ...... after some of the guys posted pictures he ran away from the thread .....

after the case goes to trial ...... he will run away.

[zrinkill]

Now putting aside the annoying trolls ...... I hope this kid is innocent of pulling a gun on someone .........

If he was defending his property I hope he just gets a slap on the wrist.
If he is completely innocent of pulling a gun I hope he gets off.
If he did this for gang reasons or for any other reason other than defending himself ...... I hope he gets the MAXIMUM sentence.

Lets just wait and see ...... the kid has alot of talent ..... it would be a real shame.

[SkinsFan26]

This is the same guy who claimed Taylor never has once tackled a guy with his pads ...... after some of the guys posted pictures he ran away from the thread .....

after the case goes to trial ...... he will run away.

You really care a lot about my feelings,considering all that I am is an annoying little troll!

Sean does not tackle people by their jerseys or shoulder pads. That's not saying he doesn't touch those parts of the other player at any time. My point was that he doesn't grab jerseys and pull players down by their neck. Never once have I seen Sean do that.

Don't post pictures with Sean's hands on someone's jersey, that proves nothing. Two of the pictures that were previously posted (Boldin, Chicago QB) were tackles where Sean did not pull players down by their neck. He rode Boldin down from behind and launched himself at the Chicago player. Provide a video if you have one that shows Sean imitating Roy Williams. If you do that, I will admit that I was wrong.

[zrinkill]

Pics proof nothing about how he tackles?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/Facemask.jpg

Yea I'm sure that ended up in a very legal tackle ;)

[Avery]

Geez, not again.

You're right, ST is God, best player ever. Skeet skeet baby!

[SkinsFan26]

Pics proof nothing about how he tackles?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/Facemask.jpg

Yea I'm sure that ended up in a very legal tackle ;)

I never said that he has never facemasked a player. He was penalized 15 yards on that play, and that's fine.

Show me a video where he rips a player down by the back of their neck, like when Roy broke TO's ankle.

[the kid 05]

As a Redskins fan, of course I want to assume the best will happen for Sean.

As Cowboys fans, of course you all want to assume the worst will happen for Sean.

That being said, none of us know what really happened. In fact, half of what we read about this case is probably false.

Reading what was published today, 10 days before trial, all of us must agree that he probably will not see any jail time. Truthfully, 5 months ago none of us truly believed he would serve any time. The prosecution never seemed to have a case and following precedent of rich athletes on trial, even if the prosecution had a case he would have been found not guilty.

false claim buddy, doesn't he have a kid? i hope that these people are just out to get him. i hope that he remains free, no one should go to jail....plus whos gonna spit at to when hes speeding down the side lines (what i couldn't resist?)

[sacase]

You really care a lot about my feelings,considering all that I am is an annoying little troll!

Sean does not tackle people by their jerseys or shoulder pads. That's not saying he doesn't touch those parts of the other player at any time. My point was that he doesn't grab jerseys and pull players down by their neck. Never once have I seen Sean do that.

Don't post pictures with Sean's hands on someone's jersey, that proves nothing. Two of the pictures that were previously posted (Boldin, Chicago QB) were tackles where Sean did not pull players down by their neck. He rode Boldin down from behind and launched himself at the Chicago player. Provide a video if you have one that shows Sean imitating Roy Williams. If you do that, I will admit that I was wrong.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2004/11/23/20041122211246.jpeg

[NFCEast4life]

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2004/11/23/20041122211246.jpeg
With all do respect lets be fair. Both safeties have flaws and are still learning the game (at the NFL level). Roy has made some mistakes in his time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBeB2S751U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBeB2S751U)

And Roy went straight for the pads/helmet/upper torso. Not blasting Roy just trying to be fair.

[zrinkill]

Not blasting Roy just trying to be fair.

Thats the point man ..... this redskin Troll was saying in another thread how Taylor was so much superior than Roy .... That he didnt have to make dirty tackles .....

He went so far as to say that Taylor has NEVER tackled someone by the collar and ran away from the thread after he was shown ic after pic of him doing just that. :rolleyes:

Personally I think Taylor is a great Free safety talent wise.

[NFCEast4life]

Thats the point man ..... this redskin Troll was saying in another thread how Taylor was so much superior than Roy .... That he didnt have to make dirty tackles .....

He went so far as to say that Taylor has NEVER tackled someone by the collar and ran away from the thread after he was shown ic after pic of him doing just that. :rolleyes:
Personally I think Taylor is a great Free safety talent wise.
I agree that homerism is probably rampant here in the cowboys forum from Skins fans. I personally remeber Taylor horsecollaring Tiki the last time the skins played the Giants. It happens alot until players get hurt and unfortunately T.O. and Roy just happened to be the involuntary pioneers of the rule change. Both are damn good safeties and gives the NFCE more reason to believe it is the conference to watch out for (w/ the exception of the Eagles IMO) in 2006.

[BigDFan5]

I agree that homerism is probably rampant here in the cowboys forum from Skins fans. I personally remeber Taylor horsecollaring Tiki the last time the skins played the Giants. It happens alot until players get hurt and unfortunately T.O. and Roy just happened to be the involuntary pioneers of the rule change. Both are damn good safeties and gives the NFCE more reason to believe it is the conference to watch out for (w/ the exception of the Eagles IMO) in 2006.


That was quite possibly one of the most unbiased things I have seen a Skins fan say on here. You need to go back to extremeskins obviously the brainwashing hasn't taken yet.

[RW Hitman]

you don't really think he is gonna spend time in jail, do you?

[1fisher]

Man I had no idea you guys hate ST so much that you started a thread on it. Instead of having a civil discussion about the case all I read is everyone staying along their "party" lines: boys fan (guilty) skins fan (not guilty). I would assume that boys fans could care less either way and if he is found not guilty you guys can look forward to making him look like the inferior Saftey of the NFCE.


1fisher did NOT start the thread and tell me where I have placed judgement on ST... I was merely quoting what your fellow ES homers were saying! Also, why are you trolling on a cowboy message board????:eek:

Some of us just happen to think he's guilty.... what's wrong with that? If he was on any other team I would feel the same way..... My glasses are clear not colored like yours!:D

[Charles]

There's a very good discussion going on at extremeskins about the article that led this thread. Some Guys who practice Law chimed in check-out pages 4 and 5 very intersting (about the laws...assault etc).
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151066&page=5&pp=15

[1fisher]

I agree that homerism is probably rampant here in the cowboys forum from Skins fans. I personally remeber Taylor horsecollaring Tiki the last time the skins played the Giants. It happens alot until players get hurt and unfortunately T.O. and Roy just happened to be the involuntary pioneers of the rule change. Both are damn good safeties and gives the NFCE more reason to believe it is the conference to watch out for (w/ the exception of the Eagles IMO) in 2006.

I don't see where you typed "I was wrong" as you stated in one of your earlier posts?????:D

[1fisher]

That was quite possibly one of the most unbiased things I have seen a Skins fan say on here. You need to go back to extremeskins obviously the brainwashing hasn't taken yet.



:laugh2: :laugh2:

[royhitshard]

[QUOTE=SkinsFan26]As a Redskins fan, of course I want to assume the best will happen for Sean.

As Cowboys fans, of course you all want to assume the worst will happen for Sean.
QUOTE]
I think everybody but Redskin fan wants him to be locked up. People are tired of seeing the rich and famous be set free with a slap on the wrist. He committed the crime, and by golly he should do the time. Say hello to Bubba Big Bear!!!!

[WoodysGirl]

There's a very good discussion going on at extremeskins about the article that led this thread. Some Guys who practice Law chimed in check-out pages 4 and 5 very intersting (about the laws...assault etc).
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151066&page=5&pp=15 shockingly that is a pretty good discussion being held...and only occasionally disrupted with homerism.

Nice find, Charles.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just read that ES thread and everytime I read anything Art says I leave with a sour taste in my mouth. He is now arguing with law students about the definition of assault. Whats really sad is that the law students/lawyers are walking on egg shells around him because of the facist he is.

To me its really simple. If the DA has the gun and a couple of witnesses saying he was brandishing it, Taylor is screwed.

If either of those are not the case more than likely hell get off. To think that some new evidence has come to light in the past year to change the DA's stance is unlikely at best. If anything the defense attorneys are feeling out for a deal.

[The30YardSlant]

maximum of 46 years in prison

:lmao:

[TruBlueCowboy]

Must be nice being a celebrity in America, where the law doesn't apply to you.

[Mr. Grundle]

I think everybody but Redskin fan wants him to be locked up. People are tired of seeing the rich and famous be set free with a slap on the wrist. He committed the crime, and by golly he should do the time. Say hello to Bubba Big Bear!!!!
Come on now. Nobody here knows if he actually committed this "crime". The only reason this is even a big case is because it occurred in Florida, with it's wacky gun laws.

We all know what he was accused of, and what the alleged circumstances were. The fact is, the only reason people here want him to do jail time is because he is a Redskin. A controversal Redskin at that, and I can see why fans of opposing teams hate his guts. These are the same reasons that make him my favorite football player.

But the fact remains, the maximum sentance for this crime is complete BS. I wouldn't wish that on ANY Cowboy in the same situation. It's a complete joke.

If that was Roy Williams up there, accused of pointing a gun at some punks who he knew stole his fishing boat on Lake Dallas, everyone on this board would be defending him out the ***. The charges would have probably already been dropped, since it would have occurred in TX instead of FL, and no DA would give a crap about trying to press some misdemeanor charge on a football player to make a name for himself.

Come on. A couple months in jail maybe....a year tops. For people to wish the maximum sentance on this kid is just evil.

[Avery]

Come on. A couple months in jail maybe....a year tops. For people to wish the maximum sentance on this kid is just evil.

Well, a couple months to a year is probably overly lenient, but anything more than five years is harsh if you just pointed a gun at someone. I agree that the maximum sentence is definitely harsh when murderers and child molesters get off easier.

Oh man, that last part didn't sound good...

[5Stars]

I wouldn't wish that on ANY Cowboy in the same situation.

Yeah, right...all Redstink fans would! :laugh2:

For people to wish the maximum sentance on this kid is just evil.

:devil: :chop: :chainsaw: :explode: :D

[ghst187]

I have been saying all along nothing will happen to him.

I agree also, the thing is...once a thug, almost always a thug. He'll probably get off on this case, but inevitably there will be another incident at some point. You can take the guy out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the thug...or something like that...:laugh2:

I will also say that I hope he does some hard jail time, seriously. and I say that with little care that he's a skin. It just infuriates me the treatment that pro athletes get when it comes to the law.

[wxcpo]

With all do respect lets be fair. Both safeties have flaws and are still learning the game (at the NFL level). Roy has made some mistakes in his time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBeB2S751U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBeB2S751U)

And Roy went straight for the pads/helmet/upper torso. Not blasting Roy just trying to be fair.

Since we're going down memory lane. Remember this?

http://www.cowboycards.com/2004Games/PC.jpg

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/15/PH2005091502483

Not trying to blast Taylor just......well yeah I am blasting Taylor. :laugh2:

[firehawk350]

LMAO how convienant






I am thinking the assurances of an uber homer is not enough. If you are going to continue to say assanine things then maybe you should back them up. Lets recap some things you have said

The plaintiffs have extensive criminal records
The Police found guns on the plaintiffs
The Police matched bullets from the plaintiffs guns to Taylors house being shot up
The ATVs were recovered from the plaintiffs and returned to taylor
The Plaintiffs have been charged with shoting Taylors house.
The Plaintiffs were arrested

Now you have shown proof of NONE of these, and dont give me the miami herald BS because the Washington papers would have picked all of this up too. So go find a link or begone!
Regardless, the only witnesses from the prosecution are felons themselves for stealing and shooting up a house.





I have a feeling you are wrong

So you want a link to these criminal charges?! ??? What do you want, some police blog? Or perhaps they post all these on the websites. My Dad's a cop, he has that access. He's never looked, and I've never asked, but I can imagine more then one person is either a cop, or knows a cop and has that access. CMON, use a little common sense! Even if it was on a website, you wouldn't buy it anyways, unless it was on a .gov site. And they don't post that on a .gov site.
And i can't believe the cowboys are berating the skins because they think were criminals. The most laughable scoff ever! "We haven't committed a major felony in the last two years!"

[BigDFan5]

So you want a link to these criminal charges?! ??? What do you want, some police blog? Or perhaps they post all these on the websites. My Dad's a cop, he has that access. He's never looked, and I've never asked, but I can imagine more then one person is either a cop, or knows a cop and has that access. CMON, use a little common sense! Even if it was on a website, you wouldn't buy it anyways, unless it was on a .gov site. And they don't post that on a .gov site.
And i can't believe the cowboys are berating the skins because they think were criminals. The most laughable scoff ever! "We haven't committed a major felony in the last two years!"

Well little troll your ES buddy is the one saying they were chared and arrested etc etc. So if there are no links to prove it then how on earth does he know?

Also there is this little thing called media. Newspapers etc. if this stuff he says happened which it didnt (which is why he ran away) the newspaper would have carried the story. Sometimes you have to use your brain.

[firehawk350]

Since we're going down memory lane. Remember this?

http://www.cowboycards.com/2004Games/PC.jpg

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/15/PH2005091502483

Not trying to blast Taylor just......well yeah I am blasting Taylor. :laugh2:

Rookie year... Are you saying that rookies need to be infalliable? But maybe the fact the RW exists to make santana look fast make you mad. But oh yeah, you have TO, whose encounters (in two games) against shawn springs ended up 8 catches for 92 yards and a TD with McNabb (a whole level better then bledsoe). Whereas Santana has 232 yards and two TDs (should have been 3 but instead, Gibbs decided to take it on the 4 inch line). Or Brandon Lloyd who has 4 catches for 142 yards and two TDs on ONE GAME!
Now you were talking about somebody owning somebody, i musta missed that...

[firehawk350]

Well little troll your ES buddy is the one saying they were chared and arrested etc etc. So if there are no links to prove it then how on earth does he know?

Also there is this little thing called media. Newspapers etc. if this stuff he says happened which it didnt (which is why he ran away) the newspaper would have carried the story. Sometimes you have to use your brain.

I'm not saying whether Taylor is guilty, or the article exists. I don't know anything about this article, and I have never seen it so I can't comment yes or no on it. What I am stating is that some Skins fans (as we live in the power capital of the world) has hook-ups. People can find information through other means then internet sources. It's called research and all of it doesn't happen on the internet.
Make some phone calls to the police station for instance. I guarantee you the cop is telling this story to all his friends my narrow-minded friend...

[BigDFan5]

I'm not saying whether Taylor is guilty, or the article exists. I don't know anything about this article, and I have never seen it so I can't comment yes or no on it. The why did you reply to me if you had nothing of substance to offer?



What I am stating is that some Skins fans (as we live in the power capital of the world) has hook-ups. People can find information through other means then internet sources. It's called research and all of it doesn't happen on the internet.

and yet no paper has run any kind of story I think they may have some contacts too dont you? The reason it hasnt run is because the Skins26 was LYING



Make some phone calls to the police station for instance. I guarantee you the cop is telling this story to all his friends my narrow-minded friend...


blah blah Now you are speaking for imaginary cops

[firehawk350]

I agree also, the thing is...once a thug, almost always a thug. He'll probably get off on this case, but inevitably there will be another incident at some point. You can take the guy out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the thug...or something like that...:laugh2:

I will also say that I hope he does some hard jail time, seriously. and I say that with little care that he's a skin. It just infuriates me the treatment that pro athletes get when it comes to the law.

I agree 100%! If Taylor is guilty (I don't mean to give the impression that I'm of the opinion that he is not) then send his happy crack to jail like you would me! Or anyone else. As a skins fan, i hope to God he is innocent, but I have a modicum of faith in the system and in God (he being just) and if he's guilty, I'm think he will get his comuppance in one form or shape... Just my $.02

[firehawk350]

The why did you reply to me if you had nothing of substance to offer?

Maybe because I like manipulating you and making you angry for no good reason. You don't know Sean Taylor, but you hate him. Is that a good reason to get angry. It's nothing football related. So why are you pissed??? However, I regress. I was pointing out the fact that I was speaking to the validity of the information, not the existence of a singular source. I was pointing out that just because there isn't a link, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid source. Did you know 95% of intelligence is gathered through asking questions to the right people??? I know somebody in a police organization who has access to that information. And I'm sure I could find it out if I so desired.



and yet no paper has run any kind of story I think they may have some contacts too dont you? The reason it hasnt run is because the Skins26 was LYING

That's unfair... he justified his lack of a source so you take it with a grain of salt, not dismiss the whole argument...




blah blah Now you are speaking for imaginary cops

Haha, so you say that there wasn't a police officer that responded to the scene? So who arrested him? I wasn't SPEAKING for anyone, I was making a comment on a pretty good estimate of what I believe the cop would be doing/saying. I based this information on the fact that if I busted somebody as big as Taylor (for example, Brian Dawkins or Roy Williams) I would be telling ALL my friends and anyone at the bar and people stuck beside me in a traffic jam the story. I said that it was my assumption...

[felix360]

what a freaking jerk, this guy is worse than moss, TO, and marcus vick. and he's only 23, damn imagine what he might do later on.
hey deadskins good luck with him

[BigDFan5]

Maybe because I like manipulating you and making you angry for no good reason.

Sorry that you failed bud. Better luck next time


You don't know Sean Taylor, but you hate him.

When did I ever say I hated him? What I hate are people who come here and lie about things in order to prop up their player.



Is that a good reason to get angry. It's nothing football related. So why are you pissed???


Well 1st I am not pissed no idea where you come up with that. 2nd He is charged with pulling a gun on someone that is more serious that football

However, I regress. I was pointing out the fact that I was speaking to the validity of the information,

You pointed out that as far as you were aware it doesnt exist, Thanks



not the existence of a singular source. I was pointing out that just because there isn't a link, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid source.

This guy got it from somewhere yet he cant figure out where



Did you know 95% of intelligence is gathered through asking questions to the right people??? I know somebody in a police organization who has access to that information. And I'm sure I could find it out if I so desired.


Hurry back




That's unfair... he justified his lack of a source so you take it with a grain of salt, not dismiss the whole argument...

No I dismiss it because if it was reported in the Miami paper the DC paper would have picked it up as well seeing as how Wash has a vested intrest in it.






Haha, so you say that there wasn't a police officer that responded to the scene? So who arrested him?

Arrested who Taylor? Nobody he turned himself in after the fact


I wasn't SPEAKING for anyone, I was making a comment on a pretty good estimate of what I believe the cop would be doing/saying.

AKA speaking for someone




I based this information on the fact that if I busted somebody as big as Taylor (for example, Brian Dawkins or Roy Williams) I would be telling ALL my friends and anyone at the bar and people stuck beside me in a traffic jam the story. I said that it was my assumption...


I think you are getting lost we are talking about the plaintiffs being arrested not taylor

[firehawk350]

what a freaking jerk, this guy is worse than moss, TO, and marcus vick. and he's only 23, damn imagine what he might do later on.
hey deadskins good luck with him

Moss and TO are jerks, and it goes to opinion if Sean Taylor is more of one then them. I'm not going to debate opinion. But to say he's worse then Marcus Vick is insane. Marcus Vick is a whole level above him. Sean Taylor never maliciously hurt somebody before. He hurt people, but his job is safety, and never just out of spite. That's a bit unfair. However, to each his own, if you believe spitting makes you more of a jerk, then that's your call...

[superpunk]

Provide a video if you have one that shows Sean imitating Roy Williams. If you do that, I will admit that I was wrong.

Try this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r706i4kOCb8&search=sean%20taylor)....there's some lovely footage of him pulling McNabb down backwards, by the shoulder pads.

And also here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfPeqVDhpk4&search=sean%20taylor)...there's a nice mugging of a U. Fla player from back in the day. Enjoy. I'm sure there's more on these videos, if you bother to search. I can only take so much pass interference, and late hits before my stomach starts to turn.:D

There's video proof. I know what I can expect, though....

http://www.bbc.net.uk/cambridgeshire/sport/cricket/2003/images/cricket9_270.jpg

[superpunk]

However, I regress.

Heh...you really have been. Time to stop.:eek:

[superpunk]

I wasn't SPEAKING for anyone, I was making a comment on a pretty good estimate of what I believe the cop would be doing/saying.

Can anyone explain to me how, in any universe, or parallel time, what this man describes above is NOT speaking for someone?

I wasn't speaking for anyone, I was just saying what I thought they would have said.:lmao2:

[zrinkill]

Try this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r706i4kOCb8&search=sean%20taylor)....there's some lovely footage of him pulling McNabb down backwards, by the shoulder pads.

And also here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfPeqVDhpk4&search=sean%20taylor)...there's a nice mugging of a U. Fla player from back in the day. Enjoy. I'm sure there's more on these videos, if you bother to search. I can only take so much pass interference, and late hits before my stomach starts to turn.:D

There's video proof. I know what I can expect, though....



He will just run away from this post again ......

[zrinkill]

Redskin Trolls are to easy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/Troll.jpg

[BigDFan5]

Can anyone explain to me how, in any universe, or parallel time, what this man describes above is NOT speaking for someone?

I wasn't speaking for anyone, I was just saying what I thought they would have said.:lmao2:

EXACTLY!

[firehawk350]

All this from a guy with Chuck Norris in his sig block. But I'll work on dumbing it down even further.

Sorry that you failed bud. Better luck next time

It's a process in the works. Either way, your tension level is rising because you called somebody a liar. You did so forcifully (by capitalizing). So you are getting agitated at the least. However, i don't really care about manipulating you per se, but I was pointing out that things aren't always what they seem. You will see that (it has further implications) as I respond to the rest of your post...




When did I ever say I hated him? What I hate are people who come here and lie about things in order to prop up their player.




Well 1st I am not pissed no idea where you come up with that. 2nd He is charged with pulling a gun on someone that is more serious that football

First off, I assumed you hated him. Due to the fact you hate the Redskins (again an assumption based on the fact that you love the cowboys) so therefore hated Redskins players. But if I'm wrong, then correct me. So do you hate him?
He is CHARGED with pulling a gun. If I was a district attorney, I could charge you with conspiracy and sedition right NOW (assumng I knew who you ACTUALLY are). But that's why we have a court system, so these charges can be resolved and investigated. It's unfair for us to make these assumptions based on the fact that he is charged with the crime. If he pleads no contest, guilty or is convicted in spite of his plea, then fine, I'll be right along side you, saying he's a no-good dirtbag until he can prove otherwise.



You pointed out that as far as you were aware it doesnt exist, Thanks





This guy got it from somewhere yet he cant figure out where

*Yawn* again, you are missing the point of my argument. He heard from somewhere, unless you are saying he fabricated it himself, personally. Who heard it from somewhere, and so on. It hasto have a source. My point being that there is a good chance the source isn't on the internet. For the last time, I'm not debating the existence of the newspaper article. A lot of newspapers (washington post) keeps archives but puts them in password protected areas (as many years of archives are expensive), so that a link is impossible without a password. Do you argee to this, or not?






Hurry back

That's the best you have??? Hurry back? I said they exist, but I haven't the time nor the interest to work the situation because it's not that important. But for your edification, the source is a cop, who can look up criminal records. Then I would place a call down to Maimi's DA and find out some the complaining citizen. Give that name back to the cop friend and he can run the criminal record.






No I dismiss it because if it was reported in the Miami paper the DC paper would have picked it up as well seeing as how Wash has a vested intrest in it.








Arrested who Taylor? Nobody he turned himself in after the fact

Sorry, I'm not full up on the case. I happened to be overseas at the time. Either way, the on duty officer, I'm sure, has quite a story. I'm sure he's told somebody.




AKA speaking for someone

No, speaking for someone else is implying FACT. I was putting out my view on something. Saying that it was my opinion (I guaranteed it, but I believe from the context, a reasonable person would see that I was putting my view on it). Big difference.

[firehawk350]

I was hoping that a little bit of common sense would be applied to my posts. I don't know the cop, I don't know if he's talking about it for sure. I was merely saying that any NORMAL person would talk about a run-in with a celebrity. Especially one with impacts such as this...

[firehawk350]

He will just run away from this post again ......

So you know what I'm going to do then? Since when did YOU know ME??? I don't stereotype cowboy fans, so I expect the same courtesy. I assume if we knew each other in real life, even though you love the cowboys and I love the Skins, that we would extend at least a little bit of respect each others way, so what makes this different???

[zrinkill]

I was hoping that a little bit of common sense would be applied to my posts.

Cant blame us for that ....... I mean you ARE a redskin fan ..... why on earth would we apply common sense to your post?

just joking :)

[zrinkill]

So you know what I'm going to do then? Since when did YOU know ME??? I don't stereotype cowboy fans, so I expect the same courtesy. I assume if we knew each other in real life, even though you love the cowboys and I love the Skins, that we would extend at least a little bit of respect each others way, so what makes this different???

uhhhhh I was actualy talking about skinsfan26 ....... why would you assume I was talking about you? Or are you the same person :rolleyes:

[firehawk350]

And just so we're on the same page, I respect Cowboys fans, as some of the closest people to me happens to be diehard cowboys fans. But I want to point out that you calling Sean Taylor a criminal at this point is wrong. It's unamerican...

[firehawk350]

uhhhhh I was actualy talking about skinsfan26 ....... why would you assume I was talking about you? Or are you the same person :rolleyes:

Oh, my fault dude. I thought you were talking about me. Miscommunication, bad on me.

[firehawk350]

I don't stereotype cowboy fans, so I expect the same courtesy.

Just thought I'd remind somebody that I'm trying my very hardest to be fair and civil

[zrinkill]

No prob ..... hopefully you are just a Redskin Fan .... and not a troll.

We welcome other teams fans ...... but trolls shall be crushed and used as fertilizer! ;)

[firehawk350]

No prob ..... hopefully you are just a Redskin Fan .... and not a troll.

We welcome other teams fans ...... but trolls shall be crushed and used as fertilizer! ;)
Thanks dude. I don't like pissing people off for no good reason. I just don't like the idea of people judging other people before their day in court. I'll be the first to admit that the system doesn't work sometimes, but I like to believe that the truth comes out in the process and the average citizen will be able to make a fair judgment. However, Taylor's day in court hasn't arrived, and calling him a criminal is unfair.
You can call him a dirty player, as that is just an opinion, just like I believe that RWs has mediocre instincts, just physically gifted. Just my personal opinion. And as cowboy fans, I don't expect you to argee with me.

[SkinsFan26]

Try this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r706i4kOCb8&search=sean%20taylor)....there's some lovely footage of him pulling McNabb down backwards, by the shoulder pads.

And also here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfPeqVDhpk4&search=sean%20taylor)...there's a nice mugging of a U. Fla player from back in the day.

There's video proof. I know what I can expect, though....



The tackle on McNabb was perfectly legal as he pulled him down by his shoulders. What a great tackle right at the first down marker.

The tackle against the UF receiver was legal but Sean did grab jersey. I had never seen that one before, still a great play. He hasn't done that as a Redskin, and I guess he won't ever with the new rules.

[firehawk350]

Oh yeah, for the record, I happen to think the same thing about Sean Taylor. An immensely gifted athlete with a mean streak a mile long but just not a great decision maker. He may improve that capability (he's making the offseason workouts, showing his willingness to improve) but then again, he may not (should he be down in florida, getting ready for case??? I don't know, maybe his lawyer can do so without him)

[zrinkill]

he pulled him down by his shoulder Pads.

Fixed it

[BigDFan5]

It's a process in the works. Either way, your tension level is rising because you called somebody a liar. You did so forcifully (by capitalizing). So you are getting agitated at the least.

LMAO I called someone a liar because he is lying. The capilazation was the accent the word for you since it seemed you had no idea what was being sai din the thread




However, i don't really care about manipulating you per se, but I was pointing out that things aren't always what they seem. You will see that (it has further implications) as I respond to the rest of your post...

Yet in this case it is just as it seems, he was lying to try and make the plaintiffs of the case look worse than the defendant






First off, I assumed you hated him. Due to the fact you hate the Redskins (again an assumption based on the fact that you love the cowboys) so therefore hated Redskins players. But if I'm wrong, then correct me. So do you hate him?

Such a black and white view you have there. I hate NO person. I especially would not hate a person because of a team he plays on in a sport. I hate the redskins franchise not their players. Do I wish them great careers? No, but i dont hate them.




He is CHARGED with pulling a gun. If I was a district attorney, I could charge you with conspiracy and sedition right NOW (assumng I knew who you ACTUALLY are). But that's why we have a court system, so these charges can be resolved and investigated. It's unfair for us to make these assumptions based on the fact that he is charged with the crime. If he pleads no contest, guilty or is convicted in spite of his plea, then fine, I'll be right along side you, saying he's a no-good dirtbag until he can prove otherwise.

There are 2 capitalized words in this part so can i assume you are now angry and agitated? Second one of those words you capitalized was CHARGED and if you bothered to read what you quoted I said "2nd He is charged with pulling a gun on someone " So I am trying to figure what "assumption" I made other than the fact that he was charged. But then again hats a fact not assumption. Also can you show me exactloy where i called him a no good dirtbag? I mean not only in this thread but in any thread where I have called him that? If you can not do this i would appreciate you quit trying o put words in my mouth since you are not qualified to speak for me either.





*Yawn* again, you are missing the point of my argument. He heard from somewhere, unless you are saying he fabricated it himself, personally. Who heard it from somewhere, and so on. It hasto have a source. My point being that there is a good chance the source isn't on the internet. For the last time, I'm not debating the existence of the newspaper article. A lot of newspapers (washington post) keeps archives but puts them in password protected areas (as many years of archives are expensive), so that a link is impossible without a password. Do you argee to this, or not?


DING DING DING winner! He fabricated it AKA Lied.

We are not talking old news this happend what 11 months ago? Its not locked up in any password area.







That's the best you have??? Hurry back? I said they exist, but I haven't the time nor the interest to work the situation because it's not that important. But for your edification, the source is a cop, who can look up criminal records. Then I would place a call down to Maimi's DA and find out some the complaining citizen. Give that name back to the cop friend and he can run the criminal record.

Then do it already, otherwise you are just talking. Unless you are actually going to do it, telling us about your cop friends does nothing at all for this conversation. So again either do what you say you can do or shut up about it already.




Sorry, I'm not full up on the case. I happened to be overseas at the time. Either way, the on duty officer, I'm sure, has quite a story. I'm sure he's told somebody.


Again you miss the point even though it has slapped you in the face 3 times. We are not discussing taylor. We are discussing Skins26's lies about the plaintffs (the guys that arent taylor) He states they were arrested, charged, ATVs found and returned, bullets matched etc ec. NONE of this is true.





No, speaking for someone else is implying FACT. I was putting out my view on something. Saying that it was my opinion (I guaranteed it, but I believe from the context, a reasonable person would see that I was putting my view on it). Big difference.


Saying I am just "saying what this person might say" IS speaking for someone. If you are not speaking for them then there is no use in mentioning what they might say.

[Bob Sacamano]

Taylor, who turns 23 tomorrow, faces a maximum of 46 years in prison on three felony assault charges and one simple battery count stemming from an incident last June in Miami.

and here I am worrying about a year in jail :eek:

[firehawk350]

I grow tired of the same old merry-go-round here. Playing word games... So instead, I'll stick to the ideas if you agree to do the same thing.

LMAO I called someone a liar because he is lying. The capilazation was the accent the word for you since it seemed you had no idea what was being sai din the thread

Fine, I'll call the miscommunication on myself there. My fault dude. Are you happy. I won't just justify my capitalizations as I promised not to play word-games. Carrying on...




Yet in this case it is just as it seems, he was lying to try and make the plaintiffs of the case look worse than the defendant

he was passing on information he believes to be correct. We can't confirm it, so who are we to say it's incorrect. calling him a liar is baseless. Saying he has no backing to his case, and saying his point of view is meritless, well that's a different story.








Such a black and white view you have there. I hate NO person. I especially would not hate a person because of a team he plays on in a sport. I hate the redskins franchise not their players. Do I wish them great careers? No, but i dont hate them.

Fine, I told you to correct me if i was wrong. You did. I was wrong, you don't hate them. So do you hate the idea of the franchise? What about the franchise do you hate anyways? It's so vague... I dislike the Cowboys. I disagree with the management style, some former players and I believe that most cowboys tend to have showboating attitudes (maybe unfair, but I think cowboys and I think Deion, Keyshawn and now TO). I don't like the america's team moniker. So there you go, that's what I don't like about the cowboys, so what don't you like about the skins?
But do you hate Osama Bin Laden? How about Saddam? What about Zarqawi? Not all hate is bad, it can be warranted. But you speak like hate is the worst thing ever. Hate can be motivating...






There are 2 capitalized words in this part so can i assume you are now angry and agitated? Second one of those words you capitalized was CHARGED and if you bothered to read what you quoted I said "2nd He is charged with pulling a gun on someone " So I am trying to figure what "assumption" I made other than the fact that he was charged. But then again hats a fact not assumption. Also can you show me exactloy where i called him a no good dirtbag? I mean not only in this thread but in any thread where I have called him that? If you can not do this i would appreciate you quit trying o put words in my mouth since you are not qualified to speak for me either.

okay, so you implied it. only 10% of communication is what we say... Either way, here's some examples of where you implied he is a criminal... Skins fan said he thinks Sean Taylor will be acquitted. You said you don't think so. Anyways, I didn't mean to say you SAID he was a no good dirtbag. I was paraphrasing the fact that you don't think highly of Mr Taylor. Thus your position. I was backing you up in the fact that if he turns out to be a "thug", I will back that position (whether you hold it or not) 100%.








DING DING DING winner! He fabricated it AKA Lied.

We are not talking old news this happend what 11 months ago? Its not locked up in any password area.

In case you didn't know, Washington Post locks up their old articles, I believe (off the top of my head), either 2 months, or 2 weeks after the fact. So in that case, it would be, wouldn't it?









Then do it already, otherwise you are just talking. Unless you are actually going to do it, telling us about your cop friends does nothing at all for this conversation. So again either do what you say you can do or shut up about it already.

Wow, on your beck and call, I will go ahead and bother many people who have no connection to this argument. Let's assume I did. I called all those people, and got the information. Since it isn't weblinked (the whole point behind my argument to begin with), would you believe me? It's just my word.



Again you miss the point even though it has slapped you in the face 3 times. We are not discussing taylor. We are discussing Skins26's lies about the plaintffs (the guys that arent taylor) He states they were arrested, charged, ATVs found and returned, bullets matched etc ec. NONE of this is true.

Again, I'm not debating the tenants of the case. I am not debating the tenants of the case. I am not debating the tenants of the case. (They say you understand 40% of what you read the first time, 60% the second time and 90% the third). I am debating the fact that information can be gathered that isn't accessible through the web. And to outright call a man a liar because he can't provide a link is unfair. Do you, or do you not, argee?






Saying I am just "saying what this person might say" IS speaking for someone. If you are not speaking for them then there is no use in mentioning what they might say.

I didn't quote him. I said (implied using some common sense) that he most likely is telling the story to people. Thus, it is not lunacy to believe the story could be gotten from him. So I'll repeat this twice more, I am not saying that he is telling the story to people, I am not saying he is telling the story to people. I am saying that in most likelihood he is, I am saying in most likelihood he is. Do you get the difference yet?
Either way, it's a small detail. Only a scenario I put out there to support my argument (which is [again] that information gained isn't always through the internet)

[superpunk]

The tackle on McNabb was perfectly legal as he pulled him down by his shoulders. What a great tackle right at the first down marker.

The tackle against the UF receiver was legal but Sean did grab jersey. I had never seen that one before, still a great play. He hasn't done that as a Redskin, and I guess he won't ever with the new rules.

Video evidence, and you roll out the run around.....predictable. No skin off my back. Just thought you might want a chance to live up to your word. But we can obviously see what your word is worth.

[superpunk]

In case you didn't know, Washington Post locks up their old articles, I believe (off the top of my head), either 2 months, or 2 weeks after the fact. So in that case, it would be, wouldn't it?

I just pulled an article off there the other day from the day after the Cowboys-Skins Monday nighter. I doubt that's true at all.

[silverbear]

Get back to me when the case is dismissed in a few days.

It does appear that Taylor's attorney is gonna ask the judge to dismiss the case... but contrary to your ludicrous assertion that the prosecutor will be the one making that request, he was quoted today as being confident that there are no legitimate grounds for a dismissal... it is also being reported that the two sides are indeed in discussions about a possible plea bargain...

IOW, homer, you jumped to the wrong conclusion...

Again...

BTW, we're still waiting for some documentation of the bogus claims you've made regarding this subject... you know, about the victims having stolen Taylor's ATVs, and them all having felony records, and them being the ones who did that drive-by... so far, you've been a lot of mouth, but haven't offered jack to back it up...

[silverbear]

Sounds like a plea bargain to me...

And lo and behold, today's Washington Post says that negotiations for a plea bargain are indeed taking place...

It's a curse, being right all the time... :D

[Jack-Reacher]

I am debating the fact that information can be gathered that isn't accessible through the web. And to outright call a man a liar because he can't provide a link is unfair. Do you, or do you not, argee?
While it is certainly true that information can be gathered from places other than the internet, keep in mind that the "alleged" information is being posted on a internet forum. Your argument if I understand it correctly and I believe that I do is that he could have heard this information from a reliable source and as such it could be true even though the story isn't verifiable through the most widely accepted source in this forum. (Internet Link).

When you accept heresay as fact regardless of the situation your belief in the statement has more to do with your respect or regard of the individual relaying the information. This is true not only on message boards but in your every day life as well. Look at this issue from a cowboys fans perspective: A known fan of the redskins, who has in previous posts made statements or comments which could not be verified makes a wild series of statements that sheds a different light on a incident involving a star player of his team. Many of the people on this forum would of course be inclined to disbelieve the statements, not because they dislike the player, rather because they distrust the source.

If you want to be taken seriously on an opposing team’s message board then it makes sense to be able to prove your statements. If you cannot prove them either through a verifiable link, a copy of the police report anything, then you have to expect to have some doubt thrown your way.

I could just as easily say

ST wasn't just waving his gun around, he fired 9 shots into a daycare and killed Polly the stuffed rabbit, as well as critically injuring an innocent Raggedy Ann doll who visiting Andy.

Simply saying it doesn't make it true or not. If I was a highly regarded member of this forum with more posts to my credit instead of the once in a blue moon approach I take to message boards as a whole, then many people on this forum would probably accept my statement as gospel without demanding proof of any sort. However, if I posted it on ES it would be dismissed immediately as Cowboy’s homerism and ignored.

Right or wrong, if you are going to make such statements on a opposing teams message boards then you ought to be ready willing and able to defend yourself with more than I heard it from a guy who knows a guy who saw a video of it one sunny afternoon. Otherwise, all you will get is skeptical disbelief. To expect or demand mutual respect is one thing, but to say that he could know somebody with a hookup, so we should believe it is a little hard to swallow.

Ok, I will slide back into the corner and shut my mouth again.

[silverbear]

As a Redskins fan, of course I want to assume the best will happen for Sean.

Which would be fine-- if you limited yourself to that... instead, you lie and distort, in a blatant attempt to put a positive spin on the current proceedings...

That being said, none of us know what really happened. In fact, half of what we read about this case is probably false.

Ahhh, but YOU seem to want us to believe that you do... you tell us that all the witnesses against Sean have felony convictions, that they're the "felons" who stole his ATVs, that they're the "felons" who conducted that drive-by...

Which is completely contemptible, inasmuch as you've offered no proof of any of that... and if they WERE guilty of the latter two accusations, then surely they would have been CHARGED WITH THE CRIMES, and that information would be available online...

Reading what was published today, 10 days before trial, all of us must agree that he probably will not see any jail time.

I was saying that months ago... if OJ didn't do any time, if Chmura got away with raping that teenybopper, then it's ridiculous for any of us to assume that Taylor will get jail time when it boils down a "we said, they said" situation...

Then again, as you've just admitted, you don't know what evidence the prosecution has against Taylor... but the simple fact that Taylor's side is engaging in plea bargain negotiations SHOULD tell you that they're not completely confident he'll beat the rap, which SHOULD worry you...

And of course, if Sean DOES accept a plea bargain, it will undoubtedly be on which does not require any jail time, or at worst, will allow him to serve out a brief sentence in the offseason... but if he accepts such a plea bargain, the NFL will certainly suspend him for at least coupla-three games... so you won't have your precious Sean available for the Skins for at least a short while...

If the defense is willing to talk plea bargain, you can pretty much count on Sean missing a little time... and of course, if he accepts a plea bargain, the whole world will know that he's a slimeball...

[superpunk]

Hell of a post, Jon. Leaves me wondering why you dont post more often

[silverbear]

I never said that he has never facemasked a player. He was penalized 15 yards on that play, and that's fine.

Show me a video where he rips a player down by the back of their neck, like when Roy broke TO's ankle.

When Roy did that, it was legal... and since it's been made illegal, how many penalties has he incurred for doing that??

When Taylor tried to rip that helmet off that guy's head, he knew it was illegal... same when he spit on that player, then lied right through his teeth about it...

[silverbear]

That was quite possibly one of the most unbiased things I have seen a Skins fan say on here. You need to go back to extremeskins obviously the brainwashing hasn't taken yet.

Are we sure this one is a Skins fan?? His name could mean he's an Iggles or Giants fan...

[silverbear]

I agree also, the thing is...once a thug, almost always a thug. He'll probably get off on this case, but inevitably there will be another incident at some point. You can take the guy out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the thug...or something like that...:laugh2:

Not only is that not right, it's not cool...

Sean Taylor may be a punk, but it's not because he came from the "ghetto", and if he's a "thug", it's not because he wasn't raised right...

His daddy is actually the chief of police in a small town in Florida, and Sean apparently had a pretty much middle class youth...

Now, you are completely right about what'll happen if he does get off on this, he'll more than likely figure that he's golden, and can pretty much do whatever he wants...

[silverbear]

Well little troll your ES buddy is the one saying they were chared and arrested etc etc. So if there are no links to prove it then how on earth does he know?

If they were indicted on any charges, that info should be available on that particular county's courthouse's website... indictments are a matter of public record...

[Mr. Grundle]

What is going on here? Am I just drunk, or are people trying to argue that Sean Taylor doesn't tackle people by the shoulder pads? That is complete BS. Sean Taylor will tackle anyone, anywhere, by any means possible. I'll admit when the horsecollar rule came out, the first people I was scared for were Lavar and Sean Taylor. I've seen them horsecollar many a times. If it comes down to letting someone get by them or they get horsecollared...they're getting horsecollared...hard. I've seen ST hit people out of bounds, run over cheerleaders, and spit on wife beaters. Only tackles with his shoulder pads? Pu-lease. He's a bad mofo and will do whatever it takes to take someone down, and send a message in the process. I watched him cover T.O. and Randy Moss one-on-one when he was rookie, break up the play, then get up and talk mad **** to their face. He's a baaad boy, and that's why I love this kid.

Trust me...if he was a Cowboy, he would be your favorite player ever. And I'm pretty sure I would hate his guts.

[silverbear]

I was hoping that a little bit of common sense would be applied to my posts. I don't know the cop, I don't know if he's talking about it for sure. I was merely saying that any NORMAL person would talk about a run-in with a celebrity. Especially one with impacts such as this...

On that point, I have absolutely no doubt that you're right... I say that because I have a coupla casual friends who are police officers down at Virginia Beach, and they were telling Plaxico Burress horror stories at a party I attended 2-3 years back... I mean, REALLY eye-opening stuff...

I recognize that they may have been embellishing for effect, but their contempt for the guy was quite genuine...

And when I tell that story, I tell it more or less that way, emphasizing that I have no idea if the way I heard it is really the way it was... but I believed them, which is why I generally refer to the guy as Plaxico the Punk...

[Zaxor]

While it is certainly true that information can be gathered from places other than the internet, keep in mind that the "alleged" information is being posted on a internet forum. Your argument if I understand it correctly and I believe that I do is that he could have heard this information from a reliable source and as such it could be true even though the story isn't verifiable through the most widely accepted source in this forum. (Internet Link).

When you accept heresay as fact regardless of the situation your belief in the statement has more to do with your respect or regard of the individual relaying the information. This is true not only on message boards but in your every day life as well. Look at this issue from a cowboys fans perspective: A known fan of the redskins, who has in previous posts made statements or comments which could not be verified makes a wild series of statements that sheds a different light on a incident involving a star player of his team. Many of the people on this forum would of course be inclined to disbelieve the statements, not because they dislike the player, rather because they distrust the source.

If you want to be taken seriously on an opposing team’s message board then it makes sense to be able to prove your statements. If you cannot prove them either through a verifiable link, a copy of the police report anything, then you have to expect to have some doubt thrown your way.

I could just as easily say

ST wasn't just waving his gun around, he fired 9 shots into a daycare and killed Polly the stuffed rabbit, as well as critically injuring an innocent Raggedy Ann doll who visiting Andy.

Simply saying it doesn't make it true or not. If I was a highly regarded member of this forum with more posts to my credit instead of the once in a blue moon approach I take to message boards as a whole, then many people on this forum would probably accept my statement as gospel without demanding proof of any sort. However, if I posted it on ES it would be dismissed immediately as Cowboy’s homerism and ignored.

Right or wrong, if you are going to make such statements on a opposing teams message boards then you ought to be ready willing and able to defend yourself with more than I heard it from a guy who knows a guy who saw a video of it one sunny afternoon. Otherwise, all you will get is skeptical disbelief. To expect or demand mutual respect is one thing, but to say that he could know somebody with a hookup, so we should believe it is a little hard to swallow.

Ok, I will slide back into the corner and shut my mouth again.

Beautiful...Get out the corner...You really are doing the rest of us an injustice by not posting... we can use your insights in the discussions..

so what do you think about TO?, Bill?, JuJo? etc?

[SkinsandTerps]

On that point, I have absolutely no doubt that you're right... I say that because I have a coupla casual friends who are police officers down at Virginia Beach, and they were telling Plaxico Burress horror stories at a party I attended 2-3 years back... I mean, REALLY eye-opening stuff...

I recognize that they may have been embellishing for effect, but their contempt for the guy was quite genuine...

And when I tell that story, I tell it more or less that way, emphasizing that I have no idea if the way I heard it is really the way it was... but I believed them, which is why I generally refer to the guy as Plaxico the Punk...

Share a Plax story, and I will share a Randy Moss story.

[silverbear]

Share a Plax story, and I will share a Randy Moss story.

Well, the gist of the stories were that when Plax came home after his rookie year, he and his crew liked to wander the boardwalk at the beach late at night, well lubricated (if you catch my drift), hassling tourists... panhandling, in a VERY aggressive fashion...

Obviously, Plax had just banked some serious dollars, so his only reason for doing that was to play the tough guy, to intimidate the tourists... that's why I will always consider him a punk...

I may know some of the Moss stories you might want to tell, but bring 'em on anyway... them, I read about in various sources, both online and off...

[SkinsandTerps]

From a good source:

Okay here's the story in a nut shell. I'm a Police Officer in Concord, NC. My position is that of a school resource officer at a local high school. I also happen to be the JV baseball coach at the school (first year doing it and having a ball). Anyway, our varsity team was having a four team scrimmage last Saturday at one of our cities athletic facilities. This facility has several baseball fields, swimming complex, and gymnasium. Randy Moss happens to have a daughter that lives in our city. Her rec. basketball team was playing a game just before the baseball scrimmage got underway. Several of my players saw and recognized him inside the gym. They went up in their baseball uniforms and politely asked for him to autograph their baseball hats. He stated that he was not their to sign autographs, pretty much blowing off my guys. There may have been a total of ten people in the gym at that time.

Later that afternoon the guy that runs the rec. center noticed Randy sitting on one of the pool tables. He politely went up and asked him to get off the table explaining that its a rec. center rule and that they don't let the kids do it. Randy was on his cell phone and ignored the guys request. The rec. employee then went to a uniformed officer and asked him to ask the guy to get off the table. He was met with the same defiance, so he had no choice but to order him off the table. Randy then got off of his phone and proceeded to cuss out the rec. employee who was just doing his job. He called him a "expletive" and asked why he had to get the police to do his dirty work. After several words with the officer he was kicked out of the rec. center and banned for one year.

Randy then left w/o seeing his daughter play. He pulled out of the parking lot in a Lexus SUV, with Minnesota tags. We later found out that his license is revoked in NC and he has an outstanding warrant for Driving while revoked in a neighboring county. The officer that dealt with Randy was kicking himself all day for not taking his *** to jail. This guy is scum to the bone.

Just a window into how the primadonna athlete acts.

[silverbear]

From a good source:



Just a window into how the primadonna athlete acts.

No, I hadn't heard that one... it doesn't surprise me, though...

[SouthernStar]

Today's news.....

It appears Sean Taylor is headed for trial after all. Negotiations between lawyers for the Washington Redskins safety and Florida state's attorneys on possibly altering the charges that Taylor faces proved fruitless yesterday. So each side is expected to report to Judge Mary Barzee on Tuesday that it will be ready for the oft-postponed trial to begin as scheduled April?10 in Miami.
Taylor, who turned 23 today, faces a maximum of 46 years in prison: 15 years on each of three felony assault charges and one year on a simple battery charge. All four counts stem from an incident June?1 in Miami that Taylor's attorneys say began when some of the state's witnesses stole two of his all-terrain vehicles. Prosecutors said Taylor fired shots at three men in retaliation.
The fifth pick in the 2004 draft, Taylor has been a mainstay of Washington defenses that ranked in the top 10 during his two seasons. Pierson Prioleau would join newly acquired Adam Archuleta as a starter, with only practice squad member Curry Burns in reserve if Taylor was found guilty and imprisoned.
Meanwhile, restricted free agent Ade Jimoh signed his $722,000 tender with the Redskins. For the moment, Jimoh, who played mostly on special teams during his first three seasons, is the No.?3 corner behind starters Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers.

[StanleySpadowski]

There's a very good discussion going on at extremeskins about the article that led this thread. Some Guys who practice Law chimed in check-out pages 4 and 5 very intersting (about the laws...assault etc).
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151066&page=5&pp=15


I got to the third or fourth post before I read Art making statements about assaulting his wife. Whether joking or not, that's about as low rent as a "man" (and I use that word loosely) can be.

[BigDFan5]

he was passing on information he believes to be correct. We can't confirm it, so who are we to say it's incorrect. calling him a liar is baseless. Saying he has no backing to his case, and saying his point of view is meritless, well that's a different story.

See here is where you are making the mistake. He wasnt passing on info he thought to be correct, he was making things up. Calling him a liar is not baseless it is correct.



Fine, I told you to correct me if i was wrong. You did. I was wrong, you don't hate them. So do you hate the idea of the franchise? What about the franchise do you hate anyways? It's so vague... I dislike the Cowboys. I disagree with the management style, some former players and I believe that most cowboys tend to have showboating attitudes (maybe unfair, but I think cowboys and I think Deion, Keyshawn and now TO). I don't like the america's team moniker. So there you go, that's what I don't like about the cowboys, so what don't you like about the skins?
But do you hate Osama Bin Laden? How about Saddam? What about Zarqawi? Not all hate is bad, it can be warranted. But you speak like hate is the worst thing ever. Hate can be motivating...


We are talking football man, I hate no person in football because of the team he plays on.



okay, so you implied it. only 10% of communication is what we say... Either way, here's some examples of where you implied he is a criminal... Skins fan said he thinks Sean Taylor will be acquitted. You said you don't think so. Anyways, I didn't mean to say you SAID he was a no good dirtbag. I was paraphrasing the fact that you don't think highly of Mr Taylor. Thus your position. I was backing you up in the fact that if he turns out to be a "thug", I will back that position (whether you hold it or not) 100%.


No I implied nothing. You are not qualified to tell me what I was "thinking" I am a prety forward guy i write down what I mean dont try and interpret some other kind of meaning into my words.

Skins fan said he thought the charges would be dropped I said i dont think so. That is different from aquital

Again unless i actually say something then dont try and tell me how I feel, your clairvoyant skills are not up to par



In case you didn't know, Washington Post locks up their old articles, I believe (off the top of my head), either 2 months, or 2 weeks after the fact. So in that case, it would be, wouldn't it?

Here is a link to a post article about Taylor from last June, 11 months ago notice it isnt locked up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/20/AR2005062001243.html



Wow, on your beck and call, I will go ahead and bother many people who have no connection to this argument. Let's assume I did. I called all those people, and got the information. Since it isn't weblinked (the whole point behind my argument to begin with), would you believe me? It's just my word.

At least you would have some kind of plausible story to attribute your argument to, the person we are discussing just made things up and had no idea how to explain where he got it.


Again, I'm not debating the tenants of the case. I am not debating the tenants of the case. I am not debating the tenants of the case. (They say you understand 40% of what you read the first time, 60% the second time and 90% the third). I am debating the fact that information can be gathered that isn't accessible through the web. And to outright call a man a liar because he can't provide a link is unfair. Do you, or do you not, argee?

It is fair because he is lying. Maybe you arent aware of who the guy is. He comes over and makes things up thats what he does. He also says Taylor has never made a tackle while holding jersey do you believe that too?








I didn't quote him. I said (implied using some common sense) that he most likely is telling the story to people. Thus, it is not lunacy to believe the story could be gotten from him. So I'll repeat this twice more, I am not saying that he is telling the story to people, I am not saying he is telling the story to people. I am saying that in most likelihood he is, I am saying in most likelihood he is. Do you get the difference yet?
Either way, it's a small detail. Only a scenario I put out there to support my argument (which is [again] that information gained isn't always through the internet)[/quote]

[BigDFan5]

Are we sure this one is a Skins fan?? His name could mean he's an Iggles or Giants fan...

you know you're right and I am not certain at all

[5Stars]

you know you're right and I am not certain at all

BigDFan5, did you know that Jennifer Aniston is going to secretly marry Osam bin Laden? It was reported just yesterday! Now, I have no "links" on the Internet, or no other substantial proof, other then that is the truth as I know it...and if I wanted to prove it, maybe I have friends that are in the "power Capital" of the World, and could possibly go ask some of their friends, but, I don't have either the time, or the motivation to do so, because I really don't care who she marries...

Am I lying, or telling the truth?

[BigDFan5]

BigDFan5, did you know that Jennifer Aniston is going to secretly marry Osam bin Laden? It was reported just yesterday! Now, I have no "links" on the Internet, or no other substantial proof, other then that is the truth as I know it...and if I wanted to prove it, maybe I have friends that are in the "power Capital" of the World, and could possibly go ask some of their friends, but, I don't have either the time, or the motivation to do so, because I really don't care who she marries...

Am I lying, or telling the truth?

I will have to go with option 1 :) lol

[5Stars]

I will have to go with option 1 :) lol

Exactely! No different then what the RedStink is trying to pull! And, then we have his babysitter coming over here to try and protect him by saying that maybe he is telling the truth?

RedStink logic, my man, simple as that! ;)

[ghst187]

[QUOTE=1fisher]before I got banned at that chicken crap site called ES.... there were some posters on there arguing that the film was altered and ST did not spit in pitmans face..... QUOTE]

there had to be a second spitter (Seinfeld fans will appreciate that)

seriously though, I don't care if he's a skin. If he did the crime, I hope he gets a serious and fair punishment. I'm just sick of sports stars and celebrities getting special treatment by the legal system. Its sick. And guys that are thugs (not saying ST is a thug but there are plenty in the NFL) will end up in big trouble sooner or later. So even if ST gets off this time,...if he's a thug, he'll be in trouble again soon enough.
I also don't want to hear that "its such a shame because he's so talented." That's the most disgusting thing I've heard. So we shouldn't punish those that are talented? I'm reminded of an SI cover story from the late 90's that covered Booger Smith "King of the Streets in NYC". Basketball player that no one could stop. Problem was that he had a kid way too young, could get any grades, couldn't stay away from drugs, and couldn't keep from other miscellaneous trouble. There are about a million other people out there with as much talent that can't get their life straight and stay out of trouble. The league, and us as fans, shouldn't reward destructive people and their behavior.

[DezBRomo9]

[QUOTE=ghst187

there had to be a second spitter (Seinfeld fans will appreciate that)

seriously though, I don't care if he's a skin. If he did the crime, I hope he gets a serious and fair punishment. I'm just sick of sports stars and celebrities getting special treatment by the legal system. Its sick. And guys that are thugs (not saying ST is a thug but there are plenty in the NFL) will end up in big trouble sooner or later. So even if ST gets off this time,...if he's a thug, he'll be in trouble again soon enough.
I also don't want to hear that "its such a shame because he's so talented." That's the most disgusting thing I've heard. So we shouldn't punish those that are talented? I'm reminded of an SI cover story from the late 90's that covered Booger Smith "King of the Streets in NYC". Basketball player that no one could stop. Problem was that he had a kid way too young, could get any grades, couldn't stay away from drugs, and couldn't keep from other miscellaneous trouble. There are about a million other people out there with as much talent that can't get their life straight and stay out of trouble. The league, and us as fans, shouldn't reward destructive people and their behavior.[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly why he should be tried and convicted, if everything else about the incident is reported true. He grew up in the middle class in Dade City, where his father has been the chief of police. When someone then steals something you call the cops, you dont take the situation into your own hands where you or your friends are hurt. He may be a football player but do cops get to break laws when they are off duty? No, and hopefully the DA doesnt cave into a plea bargain like Jamal Lewis' case. But that is why JL's case was plea bargained/reduced because it was a nonviolent charge. ST's incident includes a firearm, which under FL law has the 5..10...life rule as most of y'all know.

Just my $.02.

[SkinsandTerps]

If Taylor is found guilty or innocent, or cops a plea, He will have one more strike as far as I am concerned.

[hooskins]

[quote=1fisher]before I got banned at that chicken crap site called ES.... there were some posters on there arguing that the film was altered and ST did not spit in pitmans face..... QUOTE]

there had to be a second spitter (Seinfeld fans will appreciate that)

seriously though, I don't care if he's a skin. If he did the crime, I hope he gets a serious and fair punishment. I'm just sick of sports stars and celebrities getting special treatment by the legal system. Its sick. And guys that are thugs (not saying ST is a thug but there are plenty in the NFL) will end up in big trouble sooner or later. So even if ST gets off this time,...if he's a thug, he'll be in trouble again soon enough.
I also don't want to hear that "its such a shame because he's so talented." That's the most disgusting thing I've heard. So we shouldn't punish those that are talented? I'm reminded of an SI cover story from the late 90's that covered Booger Smith "King of the Streets in NYC". Basketball player that no one could stop. Problem was that he had a kid way too young, could get any grades, couldn't stay away from drugs, and couldn't keep from other miscellaneous trouble. There are about a million other people out there with as much talent that can't get their life straight and stay out of trouble. The league, and us as fans, shouldn't reward destructive people and their behavior.

I totally agree with you man, but I think you might feel differently if say Roy Williams was involved. And I dont want to get into this arugment that Roy would never do that. Thats not the point. I do hope ST gets off, but at the same time as a fan of the NFL I feel its bad. I also worry bc I want ST to learn his lession and change, so nothing else happens down the road. I want him to learn his lesson, but at the same time I want him to play with the Skins next year.

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I got to the third or fourth post before I read Art making statements about assaulting his wife. Whether joking or not, that's about as low rent as a "man" (and I use that word loosely) can be.

Reading the earlier portions of that thread, one of the things that struck me is how ready those fans were to assume innocence, while not having the first clue what kind of case the state has...

Here's a hypothetical example-- what if one of the cards the state's got up its sleeve is one of Sean's buddies, that they've flipped?? The police have all kinds of ways of gaining leverage on folks (perhaps some consideration on another legal matter that buddy had pending), do we really know that hasn't happened??

Mind you, I don't know if they've done so or not, but IF they did-- well, now you don't have one crew testifying against another, a "we said/they said" situation, now you've got one of "we" testifying on behalf of "they"...

You have to think that would carry some import with most of your average, everyday jurors...

But all of those Skins fans seem completely sure that the state "has no case"... bottom line, they don't know jack about this case, and are merely expressing their desperate HOPE that the prosecutor has no case... they also comment at length about how the prosecutor is just trying to make a name for himself by nailing a celebrity, even as they state assuredly they has no case...

Somebody explain to me how a prosecutor "makes a name for himself" by LOSING a high-profile prosecution... LOL...

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BigDFan5, did you know that Jennifer Aniston is going to secretly marry Osam bin Laden? It was reported just yesterday! Now, I have no "links" on the Internet, or no other substantial proof, other then that is the truth as I know it...and if I wanted to prove it, maybe I have friends that are in the "power Capital" of the World, and could possibly go ask some of their friends, but, I don't have either the time, or the motivation to do so, because I really don't care who she marries...

Am I lying, or telling the truth?

Hey, I'd believe just about anything you told me about one of those steel-bellied airheads... :D