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Zaxor

04-02-2006, 08:22 AM

Redball Express

04-02-2006, 08:37 AM

REDVOLUTION

04-02-2006, 08:44 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

thor_01

04-02-2006, 08:44 AM

trade ellis and our number one and a conditional for next year for their number one in the second slot, i would jump on that in a heartbeat.........

Zaxor

04-02-2006, 08:46 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

Good Question...

thor_01

04-02-2006, 08:46 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

would trade down, from 2 to gain more picks until i found something worth the slot i was picking in for sure, depends on what big bill thinks its time for and if the right personel was there to jump on.............

Hostile

04-02-2006, 08:51 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?AJ Hawk.

But we won't trade up that far. Too costly.

Rack Bauer

04-02-2006, 08:55 AM

AJ Hawk.

:hammer:

burmafrd

04-02-2006, 09:14 AM

Ferguson and move the Hotel to the right side.

fortdick

04-02-2006, 09:23 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

No brainer - Matt Leinart!

Gfunk

04-02-2006, 10:12 AM

no one is worth the kind of guranteed money you gotta pay the players you draft in the top 3

Yeagermeister

04-02-2006, 10:14 AM

Ferguson and move the Hotel to the right side.
I like that idea but I don't like the thought of a rookie protecting Bledsoes blind side.

burmafrd

04-02-2006, 10:46 AM

Yes he is a rookie but a real fast one so he should be ok- would take the whole camp to make sure- but all accounts are that he would certainly be a lot better then TUcker.

skinsscalper

04-02-2006, 10:48 AM

No brainer - Matt Leinart!

Ditto

burmafrd

04-02-2006, 10:58 AM

I just do not think that Leinart will be all that as a Pro QB. I am thinking he will be like DIlfer, Johnson, etc. GOOD but not great.

VThokie7

04-02-2006, 11:07 AM

Without pulling a Mike Ditka we don't have the ammo to pull a trade off to move us up that far. We need more than just one player at the 2 spot, so with that in mind standing pat is the move. You don't move up from 18 to 2 for your first this year, and a first next year. You don't do it for a first, a conditional and romo, it takes a heck of alot more than that.

Hostile

04-02-2006, 11:28 AM

I just do not think that Leinart will be all that as a Pro QB. I am thinking he will be like DIlfer, Johnson, etc. GOOD but not great.Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson both won Super Bowls. If Leinart does that I'd say he's doing all right.

Cowboys&Caps

04-02-2006, 11:29 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

Leinart

morris1885

04-02-2006, 11:36 AM

I think Matt Leinart will be the next Boller or Harrington in the NFL. Not exactly what we need.:blech:

Q_the_man

04-02-2006, 11:38 AM

#2 pick is going to cost u more money and their is no guarantee he will be a star, then on the other side u can draft a star at #18 and would be a cheaper

neosapien23

04-02-2006, 11:46 AM

I would like to see Dallas try to trade up for the third quarterback in the draft. I have a feeling that Culter will go before Vince Young. If either Culter or Young is still available around the 10th or 11th pick, I would like to see Dallas trade their first round pick and Greg Ellis to move up. Maybe one of the quarterbacks will make it to 18th pick or am I losing touch with reality??

burmafrd

04-02-2006, 11:49 AM

There is not a QB in the draft this year that I really like. If we are going for one, let it be in the 3rd or later. None of the top QB's really impresses me.
Not this year.

CanadaBoys

04-02-2006, 12:36 PM

I don't see Dallas moving all the way up to #2... I just can't see them giving up as much as that would take... andit would be a heck of a lot more than Ellis and a #1. you just dont' see teams move that far up... you essentially need a top 5 pick, next years #1 and players..... just to get 3 or 4 spots up....

BUT... hypothetically speaking it's interesting to think who we would pick....

Leinart - someone said they see him as the next boller.... i disagree... i think he's the next Palmer. an excellent pick... he shouldn't have stayed in school, ppl aare just picking him apart now.

Ferguson - the one player who they never seem to have a neg report on... he seems to be as sure fire a player as there is. and he's fill a major void and fill it at a pro bowl level for a long time. The only thing that scares me is that Mike Williams was supposed to be the same way, and look at him now.

AJ Hawk - the best Lb in the draft by far. Probably the biggest playmaker on D int he draft too. would fill a huge need at OLB for us too. He'd make the D downright scary.

Obviously if you want the most immediate help it's Hawk then Ferguson then Leinart.

Personally I'd go Leinart. Drew is geting older and Leinart is finally a QB that isn't a reclaim project..... he's the real deal.... But i'd not complain with any of the 3.

Apollo Creed

04-02-2006, 12:37 PM

There is not a QB in the draft this year that I really like. If we are going for one, let it be in the 3rd or later. None of the top QB's really impresses me.
Not this year.

I agree...

Leinart was always surrounded by the best players in the nation and not to mention he always had either the Heisman trophy winner or Lendale White in the backfield.

Young's Rose Bowl performance is still carrying him, and I don't think he's going to be able to adjust to the speed of the NFL. USC's defense was soft, and Young could never run over NFL defenses like he did in the Rose Bowl.

Cutler is making noise now, but why wasn't I hearing about him during the season? I hate how players get so overhyped once the 'draft gurus' study how good of an NFL player they'll be by making them workout with no pads on.

CanadaBoys

04-02-2006, 12:40 PM

There is not a QB in the draft this year that I really like. If we are going for one, let it be in the 3rd or later. None of the top QB's really impresses me.
Not this year.

you're crazy..... I felt this way LAST year. I think Cutler and Leinart are excellent prospects... the best since Palmer came out.

Young has me on the fence.... I'm afraid he's another Culpepper/vick.... Physically amazing, good enough to make yout hink he's elite, but ultimately will not be good enough in his passing/decision making to matter.

Big Country

04-02-2006, 12:44 PM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

D'Brickshaw Ferguson without batting an eye!!!!!

:starspin :starspin :starspin

Little Jr

04-02-2006, 12:54 PM

you're crazy..... I'm afraid he's another Culpepper/vick.... Physically amazing, good enough to make yout hink he's elite, but ultimately will not be good enough in his passing/decision making to matter.

I can see why you say that about Vick but not Culpepper. His completion % is 64 with 135 TD's and 86 INT's.

Apollo Creed

04-02-2006, 01:03 PM

Culpepper's numbers are flawed because he had Randy Moss to throw jump balls to. Anyone remember Jeff George lighting it up b/c of # 84?

burmafrd

04-02-2006, 01:09 PM

Leinart is not like Palmer- I do not see the fire in him that Palmer has.
Cutler- just another good prospect overhyped.
Young- BOOM or BUST. VERY risky.
Ferguson is NOTHING like Williams- he has NEVER had a weight problem and has never been tagged with the lazy title. As was pointed out- NO ONE has had a bad thing to say about Ferguson; unlike EVERY OTHER TOP PICK.

Little Jr

04-02-2006, 01:09 PM

Culpepper's numbers are flawed because he had Randy Moss to throw jump balls to. Anyone remember Jeff George lighting it up b/c of # 84?

I would give him time before I would say that. That's like saying Montanas and Youngs #'s are flawed becasue they had Rice. Mannings #'s are flawed becasue he has the best WR corp in the NFL. Aikman #'s were flawed because the had Mike, Smith and one of the best OL in the history of the NFL. Moons and Kellys #'s were flawed becase of the system they were in.

Da Hammer

04-02-2006, 01:11 PM

Ferguson and move the Hotel to the right side.
I love this idea because i doubt we are looking to get a QB in draft or at least not in the first 2 rounds. Bledsoe would have tons of time to get it to T.O BABY!!! :cool:

the kid 05

04-02-2006, 01:13 PM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft? Mike Huff, with out hesitation

big dog cowboy

04-02-2006, 01:21 PM

Mike Huff, with out hesitation
WOW. A S at #2 overall? Unfreakingbelievable.

ghst187

04-02-2006, 02:55 PM

Tony Romo and our #18 pick for their #2 spot..?

Or Tony Romo, Greg Ellis for defensive help and our #1 in '07..?

Either of those might be more interesting..

Parcellswaterboy

what about the potential of a 3-team trade...? We don't want a top 5 pick anyway, but maybe we trade Romo, Ellis, and our 18, for something like a:
12-15 and an extra high 2nd round pick?

MONT17

04-02-2006, 03:38 PM

hold up why are we talking about the #2 pick when we can just get the #1 pick!!!

I know the draft is only weeks away but spare us on the trade ups to the second pick in the draft!!!

TOP 10 pick may be pipe dream!!!

t.o.boys81

04-02-2006, 03:41 PM

No brainer - Matt Leinart!

I agree. Or maybe Vince Young.

ravidubey

04-02-2006, 04:15 PM

No brainer - Matt Leinart!
:hammer:

vicjagger

04-02-2006, 06:02 PM

Muhast

04-02-2006, 06:02 PM

Just a note about the culpepper comment. Someone said culpeppers numbers are flawed b/c he had #84 to throw to.

the season he had 37 td's and passed for over 4500 yards Moss had 800 yards that year. And was injured most of the season, and played hurt.

Muhast

04-02-2006, 06:04 PM

what about the potential of a 3-team trade...? We don't want a top 5 pick anyway, but maybe we trade Romo, Ellis, and our 18, for something like a:
12-15 and an extra high 2nd round pick?

I like that idea.

I have a feeling Minnesota trades up to the 2nd pick now to draft whichever qb they please.

It makes sense, all the vikings boards say they will trade up(speculation)

And they have the 17th pick overall, plus 2 2nd's

The saints could steal Manny Lawson from us and have 3 second round picks to use on defense. I'd do that if I was New Orleans

Redball Express

04-02-2006, 06:41 PM

According to the standard draft value chart, the #2 pick is worth 2600 points.

Dallas' entire draft class this year is only worth 1554 points.:(

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/NickelPackage/tradevaluechart.htm
That's why I added a thought about a #1 next year and players from our roster NO might consider.

A #1 next year will have lower value unless we really flat-line and it would become a top 3 pick for '07 and adding either players of value today and or more draft picks from this year to move up as high as #2 is probably required.

It's not a science but an art with lots of luck thrown in.

We haven't had much luck as a team in the last three years..so who knows.

We might be due.

Parcellswaterboy

fortdick

04-02-2006, 08:32 PM

D'Brickshaw Ferguson without batting an eye!!!!!

:starspin :starspin :starspin

Not for a #2 overall. You can win a Superbowl with a serviceable tackle, but you have to have an excellent QB. A great tackle with a serviceable QB will struggle to get to the playoffs.

Bledsoe is the man right now, but in 2008, we may have to look elsewhere. Leiinart in the draft, or Brady Quinn in next year's. If you trade down to #2, which this thread is supposing, you grab a player to win you Superbowls. That ain't Vince Young or Jay Cutler.

Leiniart played in a pro offense at USC. His adaption to the Pro game will not be that great. Same with Brady Quinn. They have had great coaching and that gives them a definate edge over the others.

Muhast

04-02-2006, 09:26 PM

I'd LOVE for us to trade up for the #1 pick next year and get Brady Quinn, but thats a break the bank deal since we are likely a playoff if not super bowl contender

Clove

04-02-2006, 09:50 PM

Since they are so desperate for a defender, how about we give them Ellis & Davis straight up for their 2nd rounder. Since they are desperate, they get a proven 8 to 9 sack defender, and Davis who is a special teams guru, and a solid backup SS.

the kid 05

04-02-2006, 10:23 PM

WOW. A S at #2 overall? Unfreakingbelievable. i would take Roy Williams or Ed Reed with the first over all, and i dont see why its so "unfreakingbelievable" when we took newman at 5th, roy at 8th, where those "unfreakingbelievable" too?

Justis

04-02-2006, 10:36 PM

AJ Hawk on this team would guarantee us a Super Bowl in 06.

big dog cowboy

04-02-2006, 10:39 PM

i would take Roy Williams or Ed Reed with the first over all, and i dont see why its so "unfreakingbelievable" when we took newman at 5th, roy at 8th, where those "unfreakingbelievable" too?
It's all about the circumstances. It's because of the 2ndary we already have. To spend the #2 overall pick on a S is just flat out stupid. We have much bigger needs. It may make sense for a team desperate for a S, but not us.

Clove

04-02-2006, 10:40 PM

AJ Hawk on this team would guarantee us a Super Bowl in 06.I like AJ Hawk like the rest of us, but the price may not be right. Typically, I think that moving that far up is for QB's/RB's/ or Stud WR's, and really just QB.

But if Parcells can find a way to pull it off without jeapordizing other positions we need to fix, then I'm definitely all for a big trade up.

Muhast

04-02-2006, 10:46 PM

The vikings are the most likely to trade into the #2 pick. Whats the point of us arguing when...

We can get what we need at #18.

they need a QB, and they have the 17th pick plus two second rounders this year to offer

we can't compete, and really shouldnt try.

If N.O wants defense that would give them the 17th pick overall AND THREE 2nd round choices

Justis

04-02-2006, 10:46 PM

I like AJ Hawk like the rest of us, but the price may not be right. Typically, I think that moving that far up is for QB's/RB's/ or Stud WR's, and really just QB.

But if Parcells can find a way to pull it off without jeapordizing other positions we need to fix, then I'm definitely all for a big trade up.I should remind you Lawrence Taylor was 2nd overall. People who reserve top draft picks for the sexy positions end up drafting Alex Smith. You always take the best player available. And to me that's either D'Brickashaw, or AJ Hawk. But AJ Hawk fills the bigger need.
But I'm not necessarily for trading up, I just think that if we did, I would scream like a school girl if we took Hawk.

superpunk

04-02-2006, 10:48 PM

AJ Hawk on this team would guarantee us a Super Bowl in 06.

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Clove

04-03-2006, 12:52 AM

I should remind you Lawrence Taylor was 2nd overall. People who reserve top draft picks for the sexy positions end up drafting Alex Smith. You always take the best player available. And to me that's either D'Brickashaw, or AJ Hawk. But AJ Hawk fills the bigger need.
But I'm not necessarily for trading up, I just think that if we did, I would scream like a school girl if we took Hawk.I guess he's the next Lawrence Taylor...

Rudy

04-03-2006, 01:25 AM

Wolf2k5

04-03-2006, 01:51 AM

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HAHAHA the eyes of the ranger are apon u AJ!!!!

Rumor

04-03-2006, 02:02 AM

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson both won Super Bowls. If Leinart does that I'd say he's doing all right.

Like he said, GOOD NOT GREAT...And I actually agree with him....But yes those quarterbacks are good enough and had the team to win a superbowl...Not hall of fame material though...

Rumor

04-03-2006, 02:08 AM

the_h0wey

04-03-2006, 05:09 AM

So WHO would you pick if you had the #2 pick in draft?

Huff or Hawk :D

Chuck 54

04-03-2006, 05:15 AM

:hammer:
I understand why you guys want Hawk or Ferguson, but #2 is too high for either of them...you're talking millions of dollars to take a guy before he is slotted....sorry, but pick number 2 has to be a QB. Hawk and Ferguson are more like #4,5, and yes, that does make a huge huge difference, especially in the top 5.

No one will take Hawk at #2....no one.

baj1dallas

04-03-2006, 05:42 AM

I understand why you guys want Hawk or Ferguson, but #2 is too high for either of them...you're talking millions of dollars to take a guy before he is slotted....sorry, but pick number 2 has to be a QB. Hawk and Ferguson are more like #4,5, and yes, that does make a huge huge difference, especially in the top 5.

No one will take Hawk at #2....no one.

that's bogus. If you can take a RB #1 overall, you can take the best LB to come out of college in 10 years #2.

CrazyCowboy

04-03-2006, 06:18 AM

This will not affect the Cowboys on draft day!

burmafrd

04-03-2006, 07:16 AM

The thing about Ferguson is that you could have your LT for the next 12 years. That is a much better gamble then a QB that might bust. Ferguson is the closest thing to a SURE thing in the draft this year.

SultanOfSix

04-03-2006, 07:34 AM

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Actually, he kind of reminds me of He-man from Masters of the Universe.

CowboysFaninDC

04-03-2006, 10:09 AM

ZB9

04-03-2006, 10:23 AM

@ #2?

Mario Williams...he is the best player in this draft, imo (besides Vince Young)

Big Country

04-03-2006, 11:05 AM

Culpepper's numbers are flawed because he had Randy Moss to throw jump balls to. Anyone remember Jeff George lighting it up b/c of # 84?

Jeff George threw to Cris Carter #80 more than he did Randy Moss #84... Randall Cunningham had the penchant for throwing all those jump balls to Moss... Jeff George, when he was in their lineup, preferred to throw to his posession receivers.

felix360

04-03-2006, 11:11 AM

we should trade romo and ellis and our first for the number two, then trade down the number 2 for two a second and harrington, then trade harrington to the raiders for their first and second, then trade our second and first to SD for rivers then trade rivers to NO for their first and third???? damn i got lost :laugh1: :laugh1:

felix360

04-03-2006, 11:12 AM

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no no wait, he looks like that russian boxer from rocky 4 :lmao2:

ZB9

04-03-2006, 11:24 AM

no no wait, he looks like that russian boxer from rocky 4 :lmao2:

i would be weary of annointing Hawk as the next great NFL linebacker. The steroid testing in the NFL is much more strict than it is in college.

Big Country

04-03-2006, 11:36 AM

Not for a #2 overall. You can win a Superbowl with a serviceable tackle, but you have to have an excellent QB. A great tackle with a serviceable QB will struggle to get to the playoffs.

Bledsoe is the man right now, but in 2008, we may have to look elsewhere. Leiinart in the draft, or Brady Quinn in next year's. If you trade down to #2, which this thread is supposing, you grab a player to win you Superbowls. That ain't Vince Young or Jay Cutler.

Leiniart played in a pro offense at USC. His adaption to the Pro game will not be that great. Same with Brady Quinn. They have had great coaching and that gives them a definate edge over the others.

It was Bledsoe who was lighting up the NFC in the QBacking department before Flozell went down in early 2005. Furthermore, when did the running game surface for Bledsoe to take some heat off of him?? One fluke game versus an unmotivated Philly squad, and then nothing until Carolina, another unmotivated squad. So yes, Bledsoe is the man right now, but I'm not going to worry about 2008 until 2008. The Cowboy staff will know when it's time to make the QB decision... It's certainly not this season. Now I'll agree I'd like to see some quality depth, but signs say presently we just don't know yet.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Leinart did very well at USC, but he had Reggie Bush making the numbers for that offense. Leinart also had a superior offensive line, which will most likely have three first day draft picks on 4/29.

There is absolutely no guarantee that Leinart will play at the level he played at USC... Everyone knows that. If he does... than the team that drafts him will be undefeated, have an all pro OL at at least 3 positions, and he will have the NFL MVP at running back... that's hardly gonna happen, even in a dream.

All signs point to offensive line because that's what failed the Cowboy offense last year... not quarterback... Bledsoe is still more than serviceable... If you have more than forty thousand passing yards in your career, I don't call that serviceable...

Give me the premier offensive tackle of the draft and the return of the running game, which did NOTHING last year and then we'll see what happens. Leinart would be a wasted pick believe me... Ferguson would not.

RealCowboyfan

04-03-2006, 12:10 PM

KFFL
Saints | Team to trade out of No. 2 slot; seeking defensive help?
Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:42:10 -0800
According to FOXSports.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/189)'s John Czarnecki, the New Orleans Saints (http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl) are definitely trading out of the second spot in the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159), and they are looking for a defensive player.

The big question is can Dallas afford a 2nd pick?

The only good thing that's coming out of getting a second pick.

If you want to you could really dominate the draft with a second pick by keep trading down..

So this wouldn't be too bad for the Cowboys.. Cowboys probably could end up with alot of picks if they make this move.. They sure wouldn't be hustling backwards.

I say trade this year and next first Round for the second pick... then keep trading down aquiring more picks for this year's draft and next year's draft and acquire a first round draft choice for next year's draft too....

Not bad....

Never know Cowboys could possibly end up with Michael Huff, Vince Young,Jay Cutler,Jimmy Williams, Reggie Bush, Matt Lineart, Ngata, Mario Williams, or etc....

Honestly trading two first round and greg ellis.. and keep trading down and end up with Mario Williams wouldn't be bad... ThoughtS?

fortdick

04-03-2006, 02:57 PM

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Too much man love here for Chuck!

:laugh1:
Or is it Brokeback?

:lmao2:

fortdick

04-03-2006, 03:00 PM

It was Bledsoe who was lighting up the NFC in the QBacking department before Flozell went down in early 2005. Furthermore, when did the running game surface for Bledsoe to take some heat off of him?? One fluke game versus an unmotivated Philly squad, and then nothing until Carolina, another unmotivated squad. So yes, Bledsoe is the man right now, but I'm not going to worry about 2008 until 2008. The Cowboy staff will know when it's time to make the QB decision... It's certainly not this season. Now I'll agree I'd like to see some quality depth, but signs say presently we just don't know yet.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Leinart did very well at USC, but he had Reggie Bush making the numbers for that offense. Leinart also had a superior offensive line, which will most likely have three first day draft picks on 4/29.

There is absolutely no guarantee that Leinart will play at the level he played at USC... Everyone knows that. If he does... than the team that drafts him will be undefeated, have an all pro OL at at least 3 positions, and he will have the NFL MVP at running back... that's hardly gonna happen, even in a dream.

All signs point to offensive line because that's what failed the Cowboy offense last year... not quarterback... Bledsoe is still more than serviceable... If you have more than forty thousand passing yards in your career, I don't call that serviceable...

Give me the premier offensive tackle of the draft and the return of the running game, which did NOTHING last year and then we'll see what happens. Leinart would be a wasted pick believe me... Ferguson would not.

I agree, Bledose is much more than serviceable.

But, right now, if you had to pick up one of the two, would you rather have Harrington or Robert Gallery? Gallery was the Ferguson of two years ago. A sure fire, no s**t all pro tackle. I would take Harrington hands down.

Did New England win 3 superbowls because of Ashworth, or because of Brady?

superpunk

04-03-2006, 03:03 PM

no no wait, he looks like that russian boxer from rocky 4 :lmao2:

http://www.wudang.cis.com.pl/obrazy/29/1/dolph.jpg

I must break you.

felix360

04-03-2006, 06:28 PM

http://www.wudang.cis.com.pl/obrazy/29/1/dolph.jpgfhttp://www.hvrsd.k12.nj.us/timberlane/students/BrianM/images/ajhawk.jpg

you be the judge :laugh1:

the kid 05

04-04-2006, 02:08 AM

Matt Leinart.

How can people hate him? How many games did he lose in his college career starting games? Had Reggie Bush not run for 500+ all purpose yards against a pac10 defense/spec teams, Fresno State at that, the man would have won the Heisman twice and would be the no brainer first overall pick this year. He earned all his praise and doesn't deserve any of the doubt.

Ken Dorsey only lost 2 games his hole career at the U where is he now? 49ers bench, Ken was in the run for the heisman every year he was a starter (i believe that was three)

college greatness doesn't always mean nfl greatness

DC Cowboy

04-04-2006, 03:23 PM

No brainer - Matt Leinart!

Even after the NFL Network reported that his arm strenght wasn't all that? We do play in Philly and NYC with winds blowing.

DC Cowboy

04-04-2006, 03:39 PM

you're crazy..... I felt this way LAST year. I think Cutler and Leinart are excellent prospects... the best since Palmer came out.

Young has me on the fence.... I'm afraid he's another Culpepper/vick.... Physically amazing, good enough to make yout hink he's elite, but ultimately will not be good enough in his passing/decision making to matter.

I find it very interesting some you all's view on Young. Doesn't make good pass decisions, maybe you should look at his completion rate! Looks like he made the right decisions to me. Isn't it the QB's job to hit the open man? Well he did that. Even at his work out some folks moved him ahead of Leinart. Connected on all but 2 of his throws. I watched NFL Network this morning while getting dressed for work and heard how his throws came out faster than was realized. Tell you what I'd take Allen, FS, at 18th BUT to answer this subject if I could move up to #2 I would take Young in a heart beat but is just my opinion like you all have yours. Not to start another QC type debate but I think VY is going to surprise a lot of you.

DC Cowboy

04-04-2006, 03:49 PM

that's bogus. If you can take a RB #1 overall, you can take the best LB to come out of college in 10 years #2.

Think has it been 10 years since Ray Lewis or Vilma b/c he is not better than any of those two.

ZB9

04-04-2006, 03:58 PM

it's been 11 years since a running back was drafted #1 overall...and only two have been drafted #1 overall in the past 21 years (KiJana Carter 1995, and Bo Jackson 1986)

a linebacker going #2 is not any crazier than a running back going #1.

Big Country

04-04-2006, 04:17 PM

I agree, Bledose is much more than serviceable.

But, right now, if you had to pick up one of the two, would you rather have Harrington or Robert Gallery? Gallery was the Ferguson of two years ago. A sure fire, no s**t all pro tackle. I would take Harrington hands down.

Did New England win 3 superbowls because of Ashworth, or because of Brady?

Gallery is a big man and a mauler... I wouldn't really call him an athletic guy... On the other hand, Ferguson is very athletic and moves better... Usually the guys that have the best footwork do the best, and at the combine, there was much raving about Ferguson's agility. But then again, that was then, this is now... Nobody really knows about a draft prospect until he comes under fire, September through December. New England won those SBs because of Brady hands down I agree... I'm simply going on what I know is fact... The Dallas OL has been patchwork for darn near a decade... Last year it came fully around and bit them in the bum... It needs major fixing just like the D-line got fixed last year... Transformation has already started... Out with bad legs LA, in with younger Kosier, in with Fabini... draft will tell more... We need a big time QB... we got one in Bledsoe... now let's fix the obvious.