RUMOR: Arrington to sign 6 year deal with Giants

[ljs44]

Just reported on DC 980 talk radio. they referenced an article in the Hartford Courant.

6-years???? Sounds like a big time deal.

[superpunk]

Hartford...

[WoodysGirl]

The Giants are still in the hunt for linebacker LaVar Arrington, a three-time Pro Bowler with the Redskins. An Internet report said Arrington and the Giants were close to on a six-year deal.


http://www.courant.com/sports/football/hc-nflup0404.artapr04,0,3425343.story?coll=hc-headlines-football

[superpunk]

http://www.courant.com/sports/football/hc-nflup0404.artapr04,0,3425343.story?coll=hc-headlines-football

An Internet report said Arrington and the Giants were close to on a six-year deal.


So, nothing....Good times...

[austintodallas]

Strahan, Osi, and Arrington. Ouch!

[Givincer]

Strahan, Osi, and Arrington. Ouch!

and Pierce

[Gamebreaker]

Hopefully, he'll be able to get his career back on track. I wish him luck....except aganist the Skins. Of course.

[InmanRoshi]

I think I'm going to vomit.

[DBoys]

I think I'm going to vomit.

Me too :ralph:

[CrazyCowboy]

I was afraid of this.....guess, our new guard will pick him up when he blitzes

[austintodallas]

Actually we have Ryan Hannam now so we should be fine. :rolleyes:

[SteveOS]

If he went anywhere in the NFC East, I had hoped it would be Dallas. :(

Oh well, if it's true, the Boys better bolster that O-line. Ugh.

[AsthmaField]

I was afraid of this.....guess, our new guard will pick him up when he blitzes

Ummmm.... well.... Kosier has tried that before. Back when he was with the 49ers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEGbk5ILBII&search=lavar%20

Let's hope he's learned a thing or two in the past few seasons!

[Woods]

Let's hope Lavar signs out of our division . . . .

[ravidubey]

If anything, this just weakened their pass defense. They run a 4-3, so Mr. Freelance will have to cover backs, TE's, and maybe slot receivers. Arrington just hasn't done much of anything in years and has a lot to prove.

[hendog]

Ummmm.... well.... Kosier has tried that before. Back when he was with the 49ers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEGbk5ILBII&search=lavar%20

Let's hope he's learned a thing or two in the past few seasons!


I think that's what he was referring to.

[Dalmations202]

This isn't a good sign when Dallas signs a OG to take the place of LA, and the first video you see of him is an available OLB just destroying him.

I hope he has improved dramatically.

[AsthmaField]

I think that's what he was referring to.

Oh... sorry. I guess I missed when this clip was on the board.:o:

[JonJon]

This isn't a good sign when Dallas signs a OG to take the place of LA, and the first video you see of him is an available OLB just destroying him.

I hope he has improved dramatically.

No need to fear,
for the draft still isn't here!

[Vertigo_17]

I don't get the obsession with LaVar...

He's all hype IMO. He's coming off injury, lacks discipline (plays out of position) - yet we NEED him here in Dallas. Oh yeah, he's represented by the Postons and will be looking for a huge contract.

No thanks for me.

[AsthmaField]

This isn't a good sign when Dallas signs a OG to take the place of LA, and the first video you see of him is an available OLB just destroying him.

I hope he has improved dramatically.


I'm sure that he has improved a lot since then. Also, everyone gets off balance and knocked back, every now and then. It happens to all players.

Just this one was done by the Redskins little Demi-god, Lavar and they had to make a special video of it.

Just like Greg Jones ran right over Sean Taylor while they were in college. You watch that video and you think Taylor is a wuss. Watch him play though and you see that isn't at all the type of player that he is.

Just an embarassing moment for Kosier... no more... no less.

[superpunk]

This isn't a good sign when Dallas signs a OG to take the place of LA, and the first video you see of him is an available OLB just destroying him.

I hope he has improved dramatically.

That was the third game of his rookie season. Five years ago. I'd wager he's improved a little bit.

[JJB500]

Remember Reggie White vs Larry Allen in 1994, I think LA turned out ok!

[InmanRoshi]

He's not all hype, he's an impact player who makes impact plays. If he's considered overrated, he's overrated in the way that most non-Cowboy fans think Roy Williams is overrated. He may not rack up a ton of meaningless tackles by always finding a way into a pile after a 5 yard gain like Dat Nguyen, but he makes impact plays that change games. Turnovers, sacks, forced fumbles, hits that knock key offensive players out of commission. Everytime he's on the field you have a chance at a game changing play. Look at the Tampa game in the playoffs.

[JohnsKey19]

with Strahan, Osi, Lavar and Pierce among others up front, their front 7 should be tough to deal with for any team.

[Dalmations202]

I'm sure that he has improved a lot since then. Also, everyone gets off balance and knocked back, every now and then. It happens to all players.

Just this one was done by the Redskins little Demi-god, Lavar and they had to make a special video of it.

Just like Greg Jones ran right over Sean Taylor while they were in college. You watch that video and you think Taylor is a wuss. Watch him play though and you see that isn't at all the type of player that he is.

Just an embarassing moment for Kosier... no more... no less.

While true, everyone gets off balance at times, I guess I had expected more. This is the guy that is to replace 10 time pro-bowler Larry Allen. I hadn't heard of him, till this free agency period, and I did some reading. He sounds like a good pick. I am a big Lavar fan because no matter what rookie you get, there are rookie mistakes, and Lavar is a proven playmaker. He is prototypical in size and pass rush for an SOLB for the 3-4.

The first time I actually see Kosier on film, Lavar is destroying him. Ouch.

Lavar probably ends up with the Giants. Dallas needs an upgrade at SOLB. I guess I just don't understand the logic of needing a playmaker on D, having the $$$ available, having a player (Arrington or Peterson) available, then putting your hopes in the unknown.

I don't mind them taking the best player in the draft, whatever the position, and putting him behind a great player. You can always cut the high $$$ one later. My problem is that you might bust as well with any player due to many factors. Don't let it be at a position that might cause a major drop in your O or D because you thought you might be able to get a servicable player in the draft.

[DallasKen]

He's not all hype, he's an impact player who makes impact plays. If he's considered overrated, he's overrated in the way that most non-Cowboy fans think Roy Williams is overrated. He may not rack up a ton of meaningless tackles by always finding a way into a pile after a 5 yard gain like Dat Nguyen, but he makes impact plays that change games. Turnovers, sacks, forced fumbles, hits that knock key offensive players out of commission. Everytime he's on the field you have a chance at a game changing play. Look at the Tampa game in the playoffs.

I tend to agree with you...His only problem lately, is staying on the field. Who knows if the injuries are going to be an oft recurring theme. He's a kooky cat, I will say. His head ain't made right.

[AsthmaField]

While true, everyone gets off balance at times, I guess I had expected more. This is the guy that is to replace 10 time pro-bowler Larry Allen. I hadn't heard of him, till this free agency period, and I did some reading. He sounds like a good pick. I am a big Lavar fan because no matter what rookie you get, there are rookie mistakes, and Lavar is a proven playmaker. He is prototypical in size and pass rush for an SOLB for the 3-4.

The first time I actually see Kosier on film, Lavar is destroying him. Ouch.

Lavar probably ends up with the Giants. Dallas needs an upgrade at SOLB. I guess I just don't understand the logic of needing a playmaker on D, having the $$$ available, having a player (Arrington or Peterson) available, then putting your hopes in the unknown.

I don't mind them taking the best player in the draft, whatever the position, and putting him behind a great player. You can always cut the high $$$ one later. My problem is that you might bust as well with any player due to many factors. Don't let it be at a position that might cause a major drop in your O or D because you thought you might be able to get a servicable player in the draft.

I understand what Bill and Jerry are doing and why they wouldn't want to pay big money to Arringron... still, it's hard to argue with what you're saying here.

While overrated in a 4-3... I think that Lavar would light things up as a 3-4 OLB. He could be a dominant force as out SOLB and I hate that Jerry and Bill aren't even considering it. Or perhaps they are and just consider the money too high.

And the fact that Lavar said he can't see himself wearing the star... that means nothing. He didn't say he didn't want to be here or say anything bad about Dallas... he just said he had a difficult time seeing it because of all his time as a Redskin. That could just as easily mean that he didn't think we'd want him as meaning he didn't want to be here.

[Pabst]

I don't see what the big deal is.

He goes from one division rival to another. The Cowboys still see him twice a year, same as always. Nothing changes.

Personally, I'm a bit glad. Have any of you watched his play when it wasn't on SportsCenter? He doesn't just "miss" assignements, he actively disregards them. I can't count how many times I've seen running backs make it to the flat for an easy 10 yard pickup on 3rd and 5 because LaVar would rather make a desperate and stupid rush for the Quarterback. Lamar Marshall, his backup a year or so ago, was outplaying him a lot of the time, regardless of whether Lavar was healthy or not.

Yes, Lavar will make a big play every now and then, and sometimes, that big play is all you need (TB game). Most of the time, though, it's not. You need consistency.

LaVar is a decent player, but just that. He isn't worth huge money, but will probably get it anyway. I think some of the posters here havn't gotten over what he did to Aikman, which was merely toss a straw on the camels back, despite what Skins fans will tell you.

[txlonghorn14]

he's a chump.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Our make-shift OL is more screwed now than ever. The G-men man-handled our OL without LaVaar, but with him blitzing from all directions on us....???? :(

AF

[iceberg]

If he went anywhere in the NFC East, I had hoped it would be Dallas. :(

Oh well, if it's true, the Boys better bolster that O-line. Ugh.

whatever do you mean? our OL is fine from all the debates from yesterday where i was slamed for daring to say we're a step behind on the OL from last year. i took great comfort in knowing it's a "lock" that kozier will be better than allen, flo is 100% over his injury, johnson added 15 lbs, and rivera says he's fine. it really made me sleep like a baby last night all warm and fuzzy like.

[superpunk]

Interesting article, from a few years ago....posted it before, but here it is again, with clips at bottom...

http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no24arrington.html

That was the last time they spoke -- until the Redskins pursued Marvin to be their defensive coordinator last winter. Marvin almost turned them down, but the money was outrageous, and he remembered the kid from North Hills. "LaVar is one of the reasons why you come," he says. But Marvin got to DC and started watching game film, and he couldn't believe the brainless way No. 56 played. "He ran around like a chicken with his head cut off," Marvin says.

So Marvin and LaVar were going to battle too. Marvin was going to ask LaVar to be a stay-in-your-gap linebacker on first and second downs and a pass-rushing defensive end on third. Marvin was going to try what Ray Rhodes tried during LaVar's rookie year: rein him in. Rhodes failed, of course, because LaVar was doubled over half the time. "I had a little belly on me," LaVar says. "The coaches didn't like me. I was new money. I was eating out every day, eating the wrong things. Too lax."

The team went 8–8, Rhodes was replaced by Kurt Schottenheimer, Marty's little brother. LaVar loved that Kurt and Marty asked him to just chase the football, and he turned an 0–5 season around with an interception return against Carolina. But the team went 8–8 again, and Dan Snyder made his annual coaching change. In came the Steve Spurrier-Marvin Lewis regime. Imagine LaVar's surprise when Marvin told him he'd been doing everything wrong.

"He killed them last year, killed his own team," Marvin says. "Against Chicago, critical third down, he doesn't cover the back. Back catches the ball for a first down. A guy I could cover. And they lose."

Then how did Arrington make the Pro Bowl?

"It's like I told him: You'll be on SportsCenter for your big hits, and you might go to the Pro Bowl, but we'll win six games," Marvin says. "Or you can do it right, and we can win 12 games."

.....

But too late. During games, LaVar would break the huddle and raise his palms up. "When he raises his hands it means, 'I don't know this call, I'm just going to be LaVar,' " says teammate Jessie Armstead. Lewis benched him a play in Frisco for doing that. And on the plane home from that game, LaVar told friends, "I didn't come here to be a defensive end."

[superpunk]

our OL is fine from all the debates from yesterday where i was slamed for daring to say we're a step behind on the OL from last year.

Slammed? All the debates? Someone's being a little dramatic, I think.

[Bob Sacamano]

But too late. During games, LaVar would break the huddle and raise his palms up. "When he raises his hands it means, 'I don't know this call, I'm just going to be LaVar,' " says teammate Jessie Armstead.


:laugh2:

[Bob Sacamano]

iceberg, chill, our OLine is going to be fine, and there's still the draft

[iceberg]

Slammed? All the debates? Someone's being a little dramatic, I think.

a little? it's the diet cherry vanilla dr pepper. i think the current trend is to get at least 3 flavors into soft drinks, but man, does it throw reality off after that!

however, from all the "discussion" it was pretty clear to me most of the "vocal" fans on the board think the OL will be better than last year. however, everyone i talked to yesterday NOT online felt like me, we've got a lot of ?'s you simply can't call "fixed" till they show it is. i didn't talk to anyone in person who felt our line has improved.

[InmanRoshi]

Strange that Marvin Lewis hates him so much, but still courted him to come to Cincy.

Finally, on his trip around the field, he sought out LaVar Arrington, who was a dominant star in Marty's defensive system, but was in the most remote doghouse at Redskins Park earlier this season. Schottenheimer simply stood in front of Arrington with his arms wide. After a moment, the disappointed linebacker couldn't help but break into his trademark grin and give his old coach a bear hug.

"Can't tell you what we said," said Arrington, who got a pep talk from Schottenheimer via a mutual NFL friend a few weeks ago when his battles with the Redskins' coaching staff and front office seemed most intense.

"Things were a little rough for LaVar earlier this season," said Schottenheimer. "I didn't think it was appropriate for me to contact him directly. But there are certain players throughout your career of whom you are just very fond. LaVar is one of them for me. I love his energy. He just loves to play the game."

[superpunk]

however, everyone i talked to yesterday NOT online felt like me, we've got a lot of ?'s you simply can't call "fixed" till they show it is. i didn't talk to anyone in person who felt our line has improved.

Tell those voices in your head to start posting!:laugh2:

I keed, I keed....

[superpunk]

Strange that Marvin Lewis hates him so much, but still courted him to come to Cincy.

Was that ever confirmed? I thought that was just a rumor, particularly after remembering that article. Apparently he got along great with Schottenheimer, which is why I'm so amazed that San Diego hasn't pushed real hard for him.

[Bob Sacamano]

Strange that Marvin Lewis hates him so much, but still courted him to come to Cincy.

I don't think Marvin hates him as a person, just his style of play...reckless

but that's certainly not going to keep people from courting him, after all, LaVar is a great talent and is still relatively young

[iceberg]

Tell those voices in your head to start posting!:laugh2:

I keed, I keed....

i've come to find there's not much of a way to shut those voices up. :)

[SteveOS]

He's not all hype, he's an impact player who makes impact plays. If he's considered overrated, he's overrated in the way that most non-Cowboy fans think Roy Williams is overrated. He may not rack up a ton of meaningless tackles by always finding a way into a pile after a 5 yard gain like Dat Nguyen, but he makes impact plays that change games. Turnovers, sacks, forced fumbles, hits that knock key offensive players out of commission. Everytime he's on the field you have a chance at a game changing play. Look at the Tampa game in the playoffs.

Agreed. The guy is a playmaker on defense. He is recovering fine, he says his knee has never felt better, he's a workout warrior now, looking to prove the Redskins wrong. He is going to be a monster and I hope he signs somewhere else, other than a team in the NFC East. I don't care if he plays out of the "Scheme", when he's on the field, he causes major headaches. In the limited time he played last year, he was amazing. I don't care what anyone says, I wish LaVar would come to Dallas, but it's not gonna happen. I hope he goes to the Bengals or Phins.

[iceberg]

iceberg, chill, our OLine is going to be fine, and there's still the draft

well, despite the fact there seems to be some vocals who feel losing a HOF player albiet in the later part of his career won't hurt, sticking with players that really haven't shown anything, losing other players and then relying on retreads will yeild a positive result.

i beg to differ. : ) at this point unless we trade for a solid anchor, i'll not hold out hope billp can get it right in the draft simply cause he's not done it yet since coming here.

name me 1 player he's drafted for our OL we're happy with that will give us hope he'll get it right this time.

[Bob Sacamano]

name me 1 player he's drafted for our OL we're happy with that will give us hope he'll get it right this time.

don't need to, I'm not even relying on the rook, just FLozell coming back healthy, Rivera too, Al Johnson developing, Pettiti and Gurode too, and the signings of 2 solid players in Kosier and Fabini

that's not a great line, but again, it's fine

[iceberg]

don't need to, I'm not even relying on the rook, just FLozell coming back healthy, Rivera too, Al Johnson developing, Pettiti and Gurode too, and the signings of 2 solid players in Kosier and Fabini

that's not a great line, but again, it's fine

who was the one who pointed to the draft as something to watch for another player?

i hope i'm wrong, but in my head it just doesn't add up to a better line. it adds up like once again any ONE injury will erode the line and kill us overall.

counting on people to come back healthy and not counting on someone getting hurt is just silly to me.

[Bob Sacamano]

i hope i'm wrong, but in my head it just doesn't add up to a better line. it adds up like once again any ONE injury will erode the line and kill us overall.

well, we're replacing a rookie RT with a solid vet, we're replacing a slow and immobile LA, with a quick and mobile Kosier, that looks like improvement to me, and the draft is where we provide depth

and by the time the season rolls around FLozell will be 100% healthy, we were manageable on the line last year with him in the lineup, but now we're much better at RT and quicker in the interior of the line

plus Al Johnson gaining experience, Rivera coming back healthy

so AGAIN, the line will be fine

[iceberg]

well, we're replacing a rookie RT with a solid vet, we're replacing a slow and immobile LA, with a quick and mobile Kosier, that looks like improvement to me, and the draft is where we provide depth

and by the time the season rolls around FLozell will be 100% healthy, we were manageable on the line last year with him in the lineup, but now we're much better at RT and quicker in the interior of the line

plus Al Johnson gaining experience, Rivera coming back healthy

so AGAIN, the line will be fine

there's debate at who will back up - the former rookie or the vet.
even a 70% LA was better than 90% out there - we used to comfort ourselves in that battlecry. now suddenly 70% is easy to replace. fans are so fickle.
and again - name 1 player we've drafted for the OL in the last 3-4 years we've been happy with.

i don't look for changes to become positive until they are. i tend to look at past history as a guide to current moves. changing is fine, but it doesn't mean 1) it's good and 2) changes other teams make won't be better.

[RealCowboyfan]

Let's hope Lavar signs out of our division . . . .

SEND HIM TO MIAMI...

but hell with Lavar.. Cowboys should hopefully draft

MANNY LAWSON... people talkin about Osi, Strahan, Pierce and Arrington...

Let's talk about Demarcus Ware, Manny Lawson, Akin Adoyele, Bradie James, and Marcus Spears, and Greg Ellis...

I believe if we draft Manny Lawson we would have the best linebacker core in the NFL...

[Bob Sacamano]

there's debate at who will back up - the former rookie or the vet.
even a 70% LA was better than 90% out there - we used to comfort ourselves in that battlecry. now suddenly 70% is easy to replace. fans are so fickle.

c'mon, be honest, LA was great when he got his hands on people, but once he was out in space, he was useless, that's the advantage that Kosier has on LA...playing in space to sustain holes for the RBs and block LBs at the 2nd level

and again - name 1 player we've drafted for the OL in the last 3-4 years we've been happy with.

none, but that doesn't mean our fortunes drafting Olineman can't change

i don't look for changes to become positive until they are. i tend to look at past history as a guide to current moves. changing is fine, but it doesn't mean 1) it's good and 2) changes other teams make won't be better.

the changes we made are better, as I already pointed out to you, last year we had an immobile LA inside, now we have a mobile Kosier...improvement

we had a rookie starting at RT, he gave up 12 sacks, now we have a veteran, or a Pettiti in his 2nd year starting at RT, and we're not going to be giving up 12 sacks from the right-side...improvement

2 of our biggest holes on the line last year have been filled, and another, Flozell coming back healthy

if you were looking for the COwboys to improve their line to make it one of the best in the league, then we haven't improved (C being a question mark, Rivera too) but if you are looking for a competent line that will give BLedsoe needed protection, and Julius a little more space to run in, then we've improved, the line is fine

[Dalmations202]

Here's my problem with "The line will be fine" mantra.

1) Tackles:
Flozell - his major question before now has been with speed rushers. He just underwent a knee injury. Knee injuries usually affect lateral movement and quickness.
Fabini - descent player who wasn't picked up by his old team. Older. Coming off an injury. ONLY picked up because of Bill past. Is he another Ryan Young?
Petitti - didn't prove he could do it all last year. He is one of the players that everyone is griping about not getting the job done. Now while he might improve, he also might digress this year.

2. Guards
Rivera - older, pro-bowler who might be done due to back injuries. Major question mark
Kosier - unproven, unknown Is he better than Peterman?
Peterman - unproven, unknown, and coming off an injury, possible bust

3. Centers
Johnson - ended up in the backfield too often. Did not prove he could do it last year. One of the reasons for Gurode to be resigned.
Gurode - couldn't make it at guard, and now can't crack the starting lineup at center

So every guy here is suppose to have a career year, and all of a sudden become this awesome line that gives DB plenty of time to get the ball to TO?

From a optomistic view, "Yes, the line is fine". From a pessimistic view "You have questions at EVERY position". From a realistic view "Dallas really needs to add two Linemen that aren't busts early in the draft so they can have time to develop".

[Bob Sacamano]

From a optomistic view, "Yes, the line is fine". From a pessimistic view "You have questions at EVERY position". From a realistic view "Dallas really needs to add two Linemen that aren't busts early in the draft so they can have time to develop".

I'm not being optimistic, I'm looking at reality, the line wasn't that big of a liability before Flo went down, we improved, and he's coming back healthy

no matter how much Flo struggles with speed rushers, he's still a quality LT, we all saw it once he went down, and with Fabini at RT, that's the 2 OT positions that don't need TE help, that's Witten being freed to act as Bledsoe's "hot receiver", an effective dump-off option is as effective as any good amount of pass-protection, and not to mention TO's extreme effectiveness beating man-coverage and getting seperation quicly at the line

[BigDFan5]

Here's my problem with "The line will be fine" mantra.

1) Tackles:
Flozell - his major question before now has been with speed rushers. He just underwent a knee injury. Knee injuries usually affect lateral movement and quickness.
Flozell will be fine. ACL surgerys have become commonplace and while he may struggle at first gaining trust in his knee he will be fine in the end.

Fabini - descent player who wasn't picked up by his old team. Older. Coming off an injury. ONLY picked up because of Bill past. Is he another Ryan Young?
His old team cut him because he had a high cap number they did want him back. Ryan Young had knee problems. Fabini doesn;t. Fabini had a torn pec and is 100%.

Petitti - didn't prove he could do it all last year. He is one of the players that everyone is griping about not getting the job done. Now while he might improve, he also might digress this year.

He is a backup, and being in his second year you have to figure he improves since thats usually how the cycle works. It is possible that he takes a step back but hell alot of things are possible with all players.


2. Guards
Rivera - older, pro-bowler who might be done due to back injuries. Major question mark


Don't tell Rivera he is done he said his back is 100% and has no problems whatsoever.

Kosier - unproven, unknown Is he better than Peterman?
Unknown to some fans maybe but he was sought after this offseason. Has 40 starts to his credit so he obviously is doing something right. Detroit allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL last season I believe. Yes he is better than Peterman LMAO


Peterman - unproven, unknown, and coming off an injury, possible bust
I don;t believe Peterman was injured last season that was 2004. I won;t call him a bust yet but he needs to get on the field


3. Centers
Johnson - ended up in the backfield too often. Did not prove he could do it last year. One of the reasons for Gurode to be resigned.
Gurode - couldn't make it at guard, and now can't crack the starting lineup at center


This is where I feel we have a weakness, although I do not think C is a gaping hole like some do.


So every guy here is suppose to have a career year, and all of a sudden become this awesome line that gives DB plenty of time to get the ball to TO?

Where did anyone say "career year" or "awesome line"?? See this is where people go wrong they ry to imbellish what is actually said. Someone says the line is "ok" you translate that as "best OLine ever"



From a optomistic view, "Yes, the line is fine". From a pessimistic view "You have questions at EVERY position". From a realistic view "Dallas really needs to add two Linemen that aren't busts early in the draft so they can have time to develop".


Realistic view is the line has improved over last season, we will probably draft at least 1 OL

[Dalmations202]

Realistic view is the line has improved over last season, we will probably draft at least 1 OL

Realistic view from last year TC. Dallas had an all-pro left side of the line. A High draft pick coming back at center. An All-pro guard coming to man the RG position, and a 2nd round pick named Rogers to man the RT position. Should have been an awesome line and a strength, not just adequate. They had two high draft picks in Gurode and Peterman for backups, and even 6th rounder who would likely be on the practice squad name Petitti.

Looking back. That line was "on paper" was light years ahead of the one this year.

[Vertigo_17]

MANNY LAWSON

I'm with you on this one. I'd much rather draft a LB than think about Lavar who's coming off an injury.

[Vertigo_17]

Strange that Marvin Lewis hates him so much, but still courted him to come to Cincy.

I thought this was speculation - even the Postons said they were unaware of interest by Cincy.

[WoodysGirl]

I thought this was speculation - even the Postons said they were unaware of interest by Cincy.Lewis was quoted in some article as having interest...

I'd look for it, but I'm actually working.. :)

[Vertigo_17]

Lewis was quoted in some article as having interest...

I'd look for it, but I'm actually working.. :)

Hey, I'm working too ;)

[Vertigo_17]

I guess this is what I was reading/misreading :)

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/
LB Wilkins re-signs; no Arrington visit today



By Mark Curnutte
Enquirer staff writer

Oops, LaVar Arrington did not visit the Bengals today, but the Bengals did re-sign another linebacker, Marcus Wilkins.

Wilkins signed a one-year contract and received a $40,000 signing bonus, said agent Mark
Mersel.

Wilkins tied for second in 2005 with 17 special teams tackles. He forced one fumble.

"He wanted to come back. He's excited," Mersel said of Wilkins, a four-year veteran who was an unrestricted free agent. "He wants to force them to give him a bigger look on defense."

The Bengals last week re-signed safety Anthony Mitchell, another UFA, who had led with 18 special teams tackles in 2005.

As for Arrington, agent Kevin Poston said this afternoon that the former Redskins linebacker probably would visit Cincinnati.

"I do anticipate that," Poston said. "But I can’t say if or when that would happen. If he's there, he's fooling me."

Arrington's agents said miscommunication resulted in confirmation that the player arrived Wednesday night for a Thursday meeting with the Bengals.

Arrington has visited the Dolphins and Giants and could be headed to see the Jaguars, the agent said.

Arrington had the best season of his six-year NFL career in 2002, when Bengals coach Marvin Lewis was defensive coordinator with the Redskins. Arrington had 11 sacks.

Also this afternoon, the Bengals confirmed the visit of former Ravens quarterback Anthony Wright.

Reached by phone, Joel Segal, Wright's agent, said to call back Friday to determine how Wright’s visit went with the Bengals.

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[iceberg]

Where did anyone say "career year" or "awesome line"?? See this is where people go wrong they ry to imbellish what is actually said. Someone says the line is "ok" you translate that as "best OLine ever"

i think the confusion lies that while the "potential" to have slight improvement to the line is there, the "potential" is it will blow chunks also due to all the change and unknowns.

best case scenario: we have an average to slightly above average line.
worse case: all ?'s fall flat and we have one of the worst in the league.

keep in mind these are just the extremes, but the good extreme isn't GOOD ENOUGH for drew - it never has been, and i doubt he'll suddenly change his methods and adapt to the line vs. the line needing to adapt to him.

if we're really on a superbowl fun are you really comfortable with "oh, the line should be fine if blah blah blah" happens?

great, if it does, it will be fine and above average to a degree. best case.

worst case see most of my threads on the topic. : )

[Paniolo22]

i think the confusion lies that while the "potential" to have slight improvement to the line is there, the "potential" is it will blow chunks also due to all the change and unknowns.

best case scenario: we have an average to slightly above average line.
worse case: all ?'s fall flat and we have one of the worst in the league.

keep in mind these are just the extremes, but the good extreme isn't GOOD ENOUGH for drew - it never has been, and i doubt he'll suddenly change his methods and adapt to the line vs. the line needing to adapt to him.

if we're really on a superbowl fun are you really comfortable with "oh, the line should be fine if blah blah blah" happens?

great, if it does, it will be fine and above average to a degree. best case.

worst case see most of my threads on the topic. : )
I think you're selling the "good extreme" a little short. We have former pro bowlers in Adams, Rivera, and Fabini, and some young up and comers. We have to give our scouting department SOME credit for wanting to give Kosier $15 mill. He must be worth something or he never would have gotten so much money. The GOOD can be good enough, but like you say, the bad will kill our season. I think the odds are more in favor of the bad than the good, BUT if all goes well, we'll be just fine.

[superpunk]

keep in mind these are just the extremes, but the good extreme isn't GOOD ENOUGH for drew - it never has been

How is that even remotely true? It wasn't the good extreme to start last year, with Rivera hurt and Pettiti needing help from a TE and a back every play to start the year. It wasn't good enough once Flo went down, but until then, it was plenty good enough for Drew. Not for JJ, but it was great for Drew.

[billknows]

While true, everyone gets off balance at times, I guess I had expected more. This is the guy that is to replace 10 time pro-bowler Larry Allen. I hadn't heard of him, till this free agency period, and I did some reading. He sounds like a good pick. I am a big Lavar fan because no matter what rookie you get, there are rookie mistakes, and Lavar is a proven playmaker. He is prototypical in size and pass rush for an SOLB for the 3-4.

The first time I actually see Kosier on film, Lavar is destroying him. Ouch.

Lavar probably ends up with the Giants. Dallas needs an upgrade at SOLB. I guess I just don't understand the logic of needing a playmaker on D, having the $$$ available, having a player (Arrington or Peterson) available, then putting your hopes in the unknown.

I don't mind them taking the best player in the draft, whatever the position, and putting him behind a great player. You can always cut the high $$$ one later. My problem is that you might bust as well with any player due to many factors. Don't let it be at a position that might cause a major drop in your O or D because you thought you might be able to get a servicable player in the draft.

Free agency is still not over,remember Arron Glenn. Also we need to stay in a position to sign our good players long term ,when thier contracts are up .

[apickmans]

That was the third game of his rookie season. Five years ago. I'd wager he's improved a little bit.

Actually that was the end of the 04 season. I remember watching it. Just FYI.

[BeWare94]

Just reported on DC 980 talk radio. they referenced an article in the Hartford Courant.

6-years???? Sounds like a big time deal.

If after this long that agent gets him a lucrative deal his agent is Super Agent...or the Giants are incredibly stupid.

[DCowboyz]

Well.. I wanted LaVar in Dallas.. I guess we will be seeing him still, twice a year..

[RealCowboyfan]

I hope Bengals get Arrington... or steelers

[tomo817]

Oh give me a break with that article!.....An Internet source??....Yeah thats probably one of these scumbag giants fans on one of these board spreading that.....Let's hear a real source already please!