Jason Allen fails physicals...

[trickblue]

Tennessee safety Jason Allen reportedly failed a pair of physicals The tweener safety/cornerback's stock has experienced a roller coaster since injuring his hip during his senior season. Thought to be a possible first-rounder, this news will push him down into the second round. Apr. 11 - 8:27 pm et

Source: ESPN.com Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2405261)

[Alexander]

Tennessee safety Jason Allen reportedly failed a pair of physicals The tweener safety/cornerback's stock has experienced a roller coaster since injuring his hip during his senior season. Thought to be a possible first-rounder, this news will push him down into the second round. Apr. 11 - 8:27 pm et

Source: ESPN.com Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2405261)


Watch all of these silly mock draft pundits strip their gears throwing it into reverse.

That is what makes the draft so much fun.

[trickblue]

Watch all of these silly mock draft pundits strip their gears throwing it into reverse.

That is what makes the draft so much fun.

Yep... they have been talking him up because of what he once WAS...

A little research would tell them that he is only 80% in regards to the injured hip. Doctors say it may or may not improve.

It's a risky propostion... and now that he fails more than one physical, I bet he drops further than round 2...

[Alexander]

Yep... they have been talking him up because of what he once WAS...

A little research would tell them that he is only 80% in regards to the injured hip. Doctors say it may or may not improve.

It's a risky propostion... and now that he fails more than one physical, I bet he drops further than round 2...

It also shows what a combine 40 yard dash can do.

He was definitely a second/third round type before that.

He runs a sub 4.5 and the draftnicks go mad.

[Wood]

I think its the best thing that could have happend. Kiper kept having us taking him in the first but I thought it would be a huge risk considering his medical past. Parcells track record in the 1st round is impressive...I doubt he would have taken Allen. I just think Kiper fell in love with the guy.

[ThreeSportStar80]

No thanks, the Cowboys certainly don't need another injury prone University of Tennesee player, as it stands with already drafting Kevin Burnett in last year's draft. :mad:

[Alexander]

Kiper kept having us taking him in the first

"Who in the hell is Mel Kiper, anyway?"

[trickblue]

It also shows what a combine 40 yard dash can do.

He was definitely a second/third round type before that.

He runs a sub 4.5 and the draftnicks go mad.

Very true... one of the least important stats collected at the Underwear Olympics is the very one that drops top tier players into the late part of round 1 and even into a late day 1 pick...

Legitimate 3's and 4's move up to late 1's and early 2's... all because they can run .2 seconds faster than another player without pads...

[Cowboy from New York]

"Who in the hell is Mel Kiper, anyway?"


I was actually at the draft the year the Vikings couldnt make up there mind on who to pick and teams were running down the aisles to turn in their picks ahead of them. That was wild but seeing that guy rip Kiper on ESPN during the draft was BY FAR my most memorable draft moment. Friggin beautiful. I think it was Vince Tobin from the Cardinals (maybe even the St Louis Cards at that time) and he just ripped Kiper a new one. It was great. I think its high time ESPN brought in another guy but in Kiper's defense, I cant remember the guy Tobin took but I'm pretty sure Kiper was right on that one and the guy picked never panned out.

Great TV though....:lmao:

[Alexander]

I was actually at the draft the year the Vikings couldnt make up there mind on who to pick and teams were running down the aisles to turn in their picks ahead of them. That was wild but seeing that guy rip Kiper on ESPN during the draft was BY FAR my most memorable draft moment. Friggin beautiful. I think it was Vince Tobin from the Cardinals (maybe even the St Louis Cards at that time) and he just ripped Kiper a new one. It was great. I think its high time ESPN brought in another guy but in Kiper's defense, I cant remember the guy Tobin took but I'm pretty sure Kiper was right on that one and the guy picked never panned out.

Great TV though....:lmao:
It was when Tobin was with the Colts and it was about him ripping them for not knowing what the draft was all about (taking Trev Alberts over Trent Dilfer).

Theoretically, Kiper was right. But that being said, he is most certainly not the guru he is cracked up to be. He is just another media type who is marketed as an expert. Kiper also called Andre Ware an impact player, so that speaks to his acumen.

There is not a single person on this planet that can be an expert on something as subjective and insane as the NFL draft.

[WilmingtonHeel]

Donte Whitner anyone?

[trickblue]

Donte Whitner anyone?

Not at #18... I am leary of those prospects that move up fast just before the draft...

[playit12]

Not at #18... I am leary of those prospects that move up fast just before the draft...

You mean like Demarcus Ware?

[Rack Bauer]

You mean like Demarcus Ware?


So he should change his line of thinking cuz one of those type of players panned out (maybe) one time?


Whitner in the first would cause me to inflict serious bodily harm on many people.

[bobbie brewskie]

chris canty ring a bell?

1st round prospect drops to rounds 2-4, this is only a plus for us, this guy is worth the risk if he is there in the 3rd, i mean come on now, he is a talented guy and we'd be taking the same risk on him as we did on canty. so i mean lets go for this guy if hes on the board when we pick. might seem like a reach, just because of injury, but he is essentially the BPA and if he comes back from that injury is a steal.

[Rack Bauer]

chris canty ring a bell?

1st round prospect drops to rounds 2-4, this is only a plus for us, this guy is worth the risk if he is there in the 3rd, i mean come on now, he is a talented guy and we'd be taking the same risk on him as we did on canty. so i mean lets go for this guy if hes on the board when we pick. might seem like a reach, just because of injury, but he is essentially the BPA and if he comes back from that injury is a steal.


Oh I have no problem taking him in the third. Or maybe even the second. But not at 18.

[bobbie brewskie]

Oh I have no problem taking him in the third. Or maybe even the second. But not at 18.

even if he passed the physical 18 sucks, but i mean in the 2nd hed be a steal already, but people are saying that he might even be falling down into the third.

[Sasquatch]

Very true... one of the least important stats collected at the Underwear Olympics is the very one that drops top tier players into the late part of round 1 and even into a late day 1 pick...

Legitimate 3's and 4's move up to late 1's and early 2's... all because they can run .2 seconds faster than another player without pads...

It's because people become enamored with "freaks," the single most over used term this time of year, instead of "players." I prefer the latter myself.

[ghst187]

hmmm, from what i was reading prior to this I was under the impression that Allen was a lot more "recovered" than he apparently is.
I was a huge fan of his but I know that the injury was pretty serious.
I think I'm going to have to take him off my draft board sig..
perhaps we trade down in the second round to take Pat Watkins? He may not last til our pick in the third.
The only guy i would consider in the first is Huff if he fell. No Jimmy roasted punka** Williams and no Donte never heard of you til the combine Whitner. Not in the first.

[bobbie brewskie]

hmmm, from what i was reading prior to this I was under the impression that Allen was a lot more "recovered" than he apparently is.
I was a huge fan of his but I know that the injury was pretty serious.
I think I'm going to have to take him off my draft board sig..
perhaps we trade down in the second round to take Pat Watkins? He may not last til our pick in the third.
The only guy i would consider in the first is Huff if he fell. No Jimmy roasted punka** Williams and no Donte never heard of you til the combine Whitner. Not in the first.

dont take him off, just move him to the 3rd round pick, because apparantly failing a physical moves you down an entire round, haha. this guys is freakishly talented, yes i said FREAK once again. and like ive said before hes on the same boat as CANTY losing value due to an injury that people dont believe he will come back to 100% from. hes worth it in the 3rd for me no doubt, maybe even 2nd.

[burmafrd]

A hip injury is a biggie- remember Bo Jackson? He was never the same after his. You can regain your straight line speed- but quickness and agility rarely if ever returns to what it was before. And for a DB that is every bit as important as your 40 times.

[CrazyCowboy]

I just did not want us to take this guy because of his hips......I want to draft healthy players.....although, I wish him the very best.

[Yakuza Rich]

If he failed a pair of physicals, he won't fall to the second round. He'll probably fall to the 3rd round or quite possibly the second day.

The stock of safeties in the draft usually drops come draft day. Now considering he suffered a tough hip injury, teams are going to be more averse to getting him.

I always thought that Allen would be a guy that the Cowboys might draft, but I was thinking in the 3rd round or later.


Rich..........

[adbutcher]

If he failed a pair of physicals, he won't fall to the second round. He'll probably fall to the 3rd round or quite possibly the second day.

The stock of safeties in the draft usually drops come draft day. Now considering he suffered a tough hip injury, teams are going to be more averse to getting him.

I always thought that Allen would be a guy that the Cowboys might draft, but I was thinking in the 3rd round or later.


Rich..........
:hammer:

[trickblue]

You mean like Demarcus Ware?

Demarcus Ware was pretty much always considered a first round talent. He went right about where he was projected in the end.

His only drawbacks were the fact that he played for Troy and that he was a bit small for a 4-3 DE in the NFL. He was also a finalist for the Hendricks Award (nation's top defensive end). His workout numbers and interviews just solidified the fact that he was a first rounder. San Diego was waiting to see our pick. If we took Merriman they were going to take Ware.

[WilmingtonHeel]

Trade down in the 1st which I hope we will. Taking Allen in the 4th would be a steal "if" he makes it there and on the field

[Alexander]

If he failed a pair of physicals, he won't fall to the second round. He'll probably fall to the 3rd round or quite possibly the second day.

The stock of safeties in the draft usually drops come draft day. Now considering he suffered a tough hip injury, teams are going to be more averse to getting him.

I always thought that Allen would be a guy that the Cowboys might draft, but I was thinking in the 3rd round or later.


Rich..........

Willis McGahee failed multiple physicals. Dan Marino's knee got him redflagged until he dropped until the late first round. Brett Favre lasted until the second because he was still recovering from injuries from a car accident.

You cannot definitely say he will drop this many rounds or that many.

Teams have different guidelines for physicals. Because he flunked one team's doesn't mean he won't pass another. It depends upon how stringent they are.

It happens all the time. That is how a player like Fonoti can flunk one team's physical and then turn around a week later and get signed.

[marchetta]

No thanks, the Cowboys certainly don't need another injury prone University of Tennesee player, as it stands with already drafting Kevin Burnett in last year's draft. :mad:

Not to mention that CB that we drafted that had an "unknown" heart condition. Can't remember his name, but he's now serving time for vehicular manslaughter after leaving the scene (you know how he is).

[garyv]

Well I'm glad hes failed physicals because he is not what I wanted for the Boyz.

[Yakuza Rich]

Willis McGahee failed multiple physicals. Dan Marino's knee got him redflagged until he dropped until the late first round. Brett Favre lasted until the second because he was still recovering from injuries from a car accident.

McGahee = RB
Marino = QB
Favre = QB
Allen = S


You cannot definitely say he will drop this many rounds or that many.

Watch and see.

Every year there's usually a bunch of safeties who are projected to go in the first round or second round and they wind up not getting picked until the second day. Last year was a perfect example with all of the experts claiming Ernest Shazor and Brandon Browner were no worse than a second round pick and they didn't even get drafted.

Rich..............

[Alexander]

Every year there's usually a bunch of safeties who are projected to go in the first round or second round and they wind up not getting picked until the second day. Last year was a perfect example with all of the experts claiming Ernest Shazor and Brandon Browner were no worse than a second round pick and they didn't even get drafted.

Rich..............

I don't doubt there is a chance Allen drops like a rock. But I know better than to assert that he most assuredly will. The draft is too subjective and volatile.

[acheman]

Beware of teams spreading FALSE rumors in order to assure themselves of a chance to land someone they may have their eye's on. He put up incredible numbers at the combine and his pro-day for a guy who could not pass a physical. And believe me he is worth the risk. And even in the bottom of the first he would be a steal. He is a player, not a numbers freak.

[PacoReloaded]

Tennessee safety Jason Allen reportedly failed a pair of physicals The tweener safety/cornerback's stock has experienced a roller coaster since injuring his hip during his senior season. Thought to be a possible first-rounder, this news will push him down into the second round. Apr. 11 - 8:27 pm et

Source: ESPN.com Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2405261)But.. but.. but.. that's who Kiper has us picking at #18.

/sarcasm

[VoR]

Tennessee safety Jason Allen reportedly failed a pair of physicals The tweener safety/cornerback's stock has experienced a roller coaster since injuring his hip during his senior season. Thought to be a possible first-rounder, this news will push him down into the second round. Apr. 11 - 8:27 pm et

Source: ESPN.com Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2405261)
Failing physicals will be dropping him lower than the second.

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't doubt there is a chance Allen drops like a rock. But I know better than to assert that he most assuredly will. The draft is too subjective and volatile.

The draft isn't that subjective and volatile. If you really look at the history of the draft you'll see what positions do really well and which positions don't do really well each year. Safety is one of those positions that doesn't do very well on a consistent basis. The same could be said for non-pass rushing LB's and fullbacks.

There are some *players* who are volatile such as a really good college WR whose stock suddenly drops because his forty times stunk or a guy like DeWayne Robertson who was a good sized DT with both run stopping and pass rushing ability who went and had a terrific Pro Day workout.

But, a position like safety almost always goes lower than people think and typically a stock will drop with virtually any player who is coming off an injury and can't pass a physical.

I'm not saying it's an absolute certainty, but the smart bet is that Allen doesn't get drafted until at least the third round. And if he does get drafted in the first or second, it's really an aberration considering his position and health status.


Rich.........

[MichaelWinicki]

Yep... they have been talking him up because of what he once WAS...

A little research would tell them that he is only 80% in regards to the injured hip. Doctors say it may or may not improve.

It's a risky propostion... and now that he fails more than one physical, I bet he drops further than round 2...

Very true.

[playit12]

Demarcus Ware was pretty much always considered a first round talent. He went right about where he was projected in the end.

Well yeah... I'm sure after players rise and fall post combine they generally are taken where they are projected. But before the combine he was not considered at high first round pick. Teams were waiting to see if he had enough speed and quickness to switch to LB.

I don't want to really get into a battle of each player with you, but I just feel that players from small schools and players that are either between positions or projected to switch positions routinely fly up draft boards after the workouts. It's not always a bad thing. Part of football is having the measurables to play a position.

[the_h0wey]

If this is true then it may actually be a good thing. If we go LB in the first and then Allen is their in the second or third we could take him and their would be less risk attached.....

[trickblue]

Well yeah... I'm sure after players rise and fall post combine they generally are taken where they are projected. But before the combine he was not considered at high first round pick. Teams were waiting to see if he had enough speed and quickness to switch to LB.

I don't want to really get into a battle of each player with you, but I just feel that players from small schools and players that are either between positions or projected to switch positions routinely fly up draft boards after the workouts. It's not always a bad thing. Part of football is having the measurables to play a position.

Oh I'm not arguing... but I follow the draft and I knew Ware's name from his junior year...

I never saw anything showing he would go later than early second and that was before teams really watched film on him...

My point was that Whitner is just now being a name that is moving up the charts two weeks before the draft...

He plays for a premiere college program in The Ohio State University, so it's not like teams have missed out on footage of his college career... that's all...

[playit12]

Oh I'm not arguing... but I follow the draft and I knew Ware's name from his junior year...

I never saw anything showing he would go later than early second and that was before teams really watched film on him...

My point was that Whitner is just now being a name that is moving up the charts two weeks before the draft...

He plays for a premiere college program in The Ohio State University, so it's not like teams have missed out on footage of his college career... that's all...

Well that sounds more reasonable. I wasn't really saying that you were right or wrong about most players that move up late, just that it seemed a little funny in the way you wrote it, "projected in the end".

[Gaede]

chris canty ring a bell?


Exactly what I thought.

[Pokes28]

Not to mention that CB that we drafted that had an "unknown" heart condition. Can't remember his name, but he's now serving time for vehicular manslaughter after leaving the scene (you know how he is).

That would be Dwayne Goodrich.

That brings up something else. A lot of guys drafted had a very good Junior year but then had a so-so senior year. For some reason, some teams like to evaluate these kids based on their best season. That rarely works out. Dallas took Goodrich after he had a great junior year then was mediocre as a senior. A couple years ago Buffalo (with trade from Dallas) took JP Losman who had a very good junior year but was just ok as a senior.

I understand coming out after an injury. That is ok and it happens. But to basically ignore the most recent play of a guy is stupid. That is also why I'm not overly thrilled with the prospect of drafting Rodrick Wright this year. He was very good as a junior, but this past season wasn't nearly as good.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[bobbie brewskie]

once again, my sig for the win. we can thank the wonderful cincinatti bengals as we will be able to address our 4 biggest needs on day 1 once we trade down to the 25th pick and acquire their 3rd rounder as well. hey and just for insurance we could even try for a S in round 6 or 7. Jason Allen is definately high 2nd round caliber, but after failing his little physical and being a S he will surely drop to the late second and hopefully into the third in which case we can address the Oline in the 2nd, OLB in the 1st and finally get him and a NT in the third.

[acheman]

Bobbie Brewskie I like that draft, alot. Good stuff.

[conner01]

i would want to check out his hip before i took him at all. hips are seriuos, but keep in mind this may turn out to be nothing at all. who knows, one of the teams that said he failed his physical could be wanting him on the cheap. just have to do you homework and see if it's a real concern or false rumor

[bobbie brewskie]

Bobbie Brewskie I like that draft, alot. Good stuff.

my draft with reasoning is up in the draft zone 2006 forum. go check it out.