View Full Version : Call it now... with their 1st round pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys...
TruBlueCowboy
04-16-2006, 10:56 AM
Either by standing pat, trading down, or trading up, who is the first pick of the Dallas Cowboys in this year's draft? Go on the record. :cool:
S/CB JASON ALLEN, Tennessee
http://www.alligator.org/edit/sports/issues/stories/images/040920foot1.jpg
Mock Drafts: ESPN (Mel Kiper), CBS Sportsline (Pete Prisco), Pro Football Talk, Yahoo Sports, CDS, SportzNutz
Pros: Position of need, coverage abilities
Cons: Hip injury (failed physical), not fully developed at safety
LB BOBBY CARPENTER, Ohio State
http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/football/season2002/gallery/texastech/photo01.jpg
Mock Drafts: Rafael Vela
Pros: Position of need, size for 3-4
Cons: Famous 3 LBs at Ohio State, which ones are most responsible?, coverage issues, ankles
WR SANTONIO HOLMES, Ohio State
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/06/37/22/image_1822376.jpg
Mock Drafts: Dallas Morning News (Rick Gosselin), Draft King, About.Com
Pros: Quick and fast enough to always be a threat to score, punt/kick return potential, replaces aging Terry Glenn
Cons: Size (5'11" 190 lbs)
OT WINSTON JUSTICE, Southern California
http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2005/09-29/0929winstonjustice_216.jpg
Mock Drafts: Fox Sports 6.0, Draft Insider, Sports Outlaw, Scout.Com
Pros: Played RT through entire college career, insurance behind Flozell and Fabini
Cons: Struggled last year, character issues
OLB MANNY LAWSON, North Carolina State
http://www.newsobserver.com/images/xtq_photos/2005-1/xtq_20050920-images/main-1028816-634791.jpg
Mock Drafts: Pro Football Weekly, Fox Sports 4.0, USA Today (Chris Colston)
Pros: Position of need, played LB & DE in college, freakish athletic abilities, pure pass rusher
Cons: Lacks bulk against run
OT MARCUS McNEILL, Auburn
http://www.draftshowcase.com/MarcusMcNeill2.jpg
Mock Drafts: CBS Sportsline (Dennis Dodd), MSNBC, USA Today (Jarrett Bell), Ourlads, Draftdaddy
Pros: Massive frame, dominates in running game, insurance behind Flozell and Fabini
Cons: Too tall and has problems getting upright, potential back problems
S DONTE WHITNER, Ohio State
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/05/26/42/image_1842265.jpg
Mock Drafts: Sports Illustrated (Don Banks), CBS Sportsline (Clark Judge), NFL Draft Countdown, The Football Experts
Pros: Position of need, physical, love contact, perfect size for free safety
Cons: Not used to being locked up man-to-man
S/CB JIMMY WILLIAMS, Viriginia Tech
http://images.ewoss.com/MSimages/VASD10209242200.jpg
Mock Drafts: USA Today (Experts Consensus Draft), USA Today (Nate Davis), Great Blue North
Pros: Position of need, excelled at S and CB in college, great height
Cons: Loses ground on smaller receivers
OLB KAMERION WIMBLEY, Florida State
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Mock Drafts: Sporting News, Fox Sports 5.0, 2.0 & 1.0, East Coast Sports, USA Today (Matt Pitzer)
Pros: Position of need, pure pass rusher
Cons: No experience at linebacker
POTENTIAL OTHERS: (INCLUDES TRADING UP AND TRADING DOWN)
CB ANTONIO CROMARTIE, Florida State
Mock Drafts: Fox Sports 7.0, Football's Future
QB JAY CUTLER, Vanderbilt
Mock Drafts: none
S MICHAEL HUFF, Texas
Mock Drafts: none
WR CHAD JACKSON, Florida
Mock Drafts: Fox Sports 3.0
OG TAITUSI LUTUI, Southern California
Mock Drafts: KFFL
S KO SIMPSON, South Carolina
Mock Drafts: USA Today (Jim Corbett)
RB DeANGELO WILLIAMS, Memphis
Mock Drafts: none
RB LENDALE WHITE, Southern California
Mock Drafts: none
OT ERIC WINSTON, Miami
Mock Drafts: CowboysZone
QB VINCE YOUNG, Texas
Mock Drafts: none
neosapien23
04-16-2006, 10:57 AM
Manny Lawson. I think he will slip to 18 and be there for Dallas.
jps_tex
04-16-2006, 11:04 AM
I'm on board with Michael Huff, for no other reason than the fact that Adam Schefler started the on-slaught of T.O. to Dallas newswhen everybody else, including Parcells' good friends King and Mortenson, were reporting that T.O. would end up in Denver, Miami, or Kansas City.
I think Adam Schefler has proven his worth and reputation, and if he is the one saying this could happen with Huff I;m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
:p: :p: :p: :p: :p:
theogt
04-16-2006, 11:05 AM
I'm on board with Michael Huff, for no other reason than the fact that Adam Schefler started the on-slaught of T.O. to Dallas newswhen everybody else, including Parcells' good friends King and Mortenson, were reporting that T.O. would end up in Denver, Miami, or Kansas City.
I think Adam Schefler has proven his worth and reputation, and if he is the one saying this could happen with Huff I;m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
:p: :p: :p: :p: :p:What's schefler saying? That we're going to trade up? Cause he's certainly not falling.
TruBlueCowboy
04-16-2006, 11:06 AM
I'm going with Holmes only because he looks to be the best available when it comes to #18. I'd love to see Lawson in the blue but I fear he'll be gone.
theogt
04-16-2006, 11:07 AM
I'm going with Holmes only because he looks to be the best available when it comes to #18. I'd love to see Lawson in the blue but I fear he'll be gone.I guess you're assuming Chad Jackson is already taken at that point?
dbair1967
04-16-2006, 11:11 AM
if Justice is there (and I dont think he will be) he'd be my guess....but I really think we end up trading down
David
TruBlueCowboy
04-16-2006, 11:12 AM
I guess you're assuming Chad Jackson is already taken at that point?
Yup. Love to see one of those offensive tackles, though, in Dallas too. Rather have more linemen than receivers.
MichaelWinicki
04-16-2006, 11:13 AM
No way will it be a O-lineman.
Carpenter first choice
Lawson second choice
3rd choice? FS or CB
TruBlueCowboy
04-16-2006, 11:18 AM
No way will it be a O-lineman.
Carpenter first choice
Lawson second choice
3rd choice? FS or CB
I think Carpenter is a safe bet for the draft since it looks like most of the best DE/LB types will probably be gone when it's our choice. Wouldn't be the glamorous pick, but might be best left at a position of need at #18.
1Ware1
04-16-2006, 11:36 AM
I am going with us selecting Antonio Cromartie,He isn't a selection on the poll.I see us drafting him.I realley do.Allthough I am going to poll up and dream that Huff is there and available
MichaelWinicki
04-16-2006, 11:37 AM
I think Carpenter is a safe bet for the draft since it looks like most of the best DE/LB types will probably be gone when it's our choice. Wouldn't be the glamorous pick, but might be best left at a position of need at #18.
Exactly.
And it's one where I think you could just plug the guy in at SOLB and forget about him for the season. He's ready.
Woods
04-16-2006, 11:38 AM
I don't think Lawson will be there at 18.
I think we will draft Wimbley.
TruBlueCowboy
04-16-2006, 02:45 PM
So is no one picking Whitner because you think #18 is too high for him? Because of Davis being re-signed? Whitner seems like the type of players that Parcells loves.
theogt
04-16-2006, 02:48 PM
So is no one picking Whitner because you think #18 is too high for him? Because of Davis being re-signed? Whitner seems like the type of players that Parcells loves.That and Jerry expressly stated that we're not taking a FS with the first 2 picks. It could be a diversionary tactic, but I doubt it.
I wonder if most of the people who picked Carpenter did so because they think that Lawson will be gone by 18.
edit: or because we trade down...
DragonCowboy
04-16-2006, 02:50 PM
Carpenter, hopefully in a trade down...
StevenOtero
04-16-2006, 03:02 PM
I'm going with Holmes only because he looks to be the best available when it comes to #18. I'd love to see Lawson in the blue but I fear he'll be gone.
Yep. :)
Chrissyboy
04-16-2006, 03:04 PM
Very simple. Mark my words.......
if we cannot move down for multiple picks...
any of the top rated OLBs. Simple!
We won't pick a day 1 DB -way too much cash wrapped up there already. OG is possible, but the ones that can make immediate impact will be gone by 18. Therefore BPA.... prob OLB!
theogt
04-16-2006, 03:08 PM
Very simple. Mark my words.......
if we cannot move down for multiple picks...
any of the top rated OLBs. Simple!
We won't pick a day 1 DB -way too much cash wrapped up there already. OG is possible, but the ones that can make immediate impact will be gone by 18. Therefore BPA.... prob OLB!There aren't any OGs projected first round. Maybe you mean gone by our pick in the second.
Chrissyboy
04-16-2006, 03:13 PM
Sorry guys - late over here! No credible OG at that position. I was rolling 2 sentences together.... the tackles that are likely to have impact will be gone.
....actually now I'm thinking.... it doesn;t stop us taking OLs way too high, just because they are not projected for R1!!! ;)
Arch Stanton
04-16-2006, 04:19 PM
Ngata falls and Bill can't resist.....may have to trade up a couple of spots.
After missing out on Wilfork, Bill won't let Ngata get away. :)
Sitting Bull
04-16-2006, 04:20 PM
Things could change drastically in the next two weeks, but right now, Easter Sunday, I think we will stand pat and take Bobby Carpenter at #18. Lawson and Wimbley will be off the board, Jackson and Holmes will still be available.
theogt
04-16-2006, 04:21 PM
Things could change drastically in the next two weeks, but right now, Easter Sunday, I think we will stand pat and take Bobby Carpenter at #18. Lawson and Wimbley will be off the board, Jackson and Holmes will still be available.I doubt both Lawson and Wimbley are off the board. I don't see Miami and the Browns taking both. I'd bet a significant amount of cash that Jackson is off the board by 18.
Sitting Bull
04-16-2006, 04:29 PM
I doubt both Lawson and Wimbley are off the board. I don't see Miami and the Browns taking both. I'd bet a significant amount of cash that Jackson is off the board by 18.
Well, they may not go #7 and #12 like they did in the CZ Mock yesterday, but I'm convinced we won't get a chance at either Lawson or Wimbley. You can't just look at the teams picking #1-#17 before us. Odds are high that one or more teams you don't expect will trade into that range to snag a player they covet. Manny Lawson, in particular, is the type of player (high character, physical freak, tweener) that teams move up to select, IMO.
TruBlueCowboy
04-16-2006, 04:30 PM
Well, they may not go #7 and #12 like they did in the CZ Mock yesterday, but I'm convinced we won't get a chance at either Lawson or Wimbley. You can't just look at the teams picking #1-#17 before us. Odds are high that one or more teams you don't expect will trade into that range to snag a player they covet. Manny Lawson is the type of player that teams move up to select, IMO.
I wonder if other teams are also drooling after watching what kind of effect Merriman and Ware had on their teams as rookies this year. You find that right outside linebaker in your 3-4 and he does wonders. Used to be these guys dropped a little further.
theogt
04-16-2006, 04:33 PM
Well, they may not go #7 and #12 like they did in the CZ Mock yesterday, but I'm convinced we won't get a chance at either Lawson or Wimbley. You can't just look at the teams picking #1-#17 before us. Odds are high that one or more teams you don't expect will trade into that range to snag a player they covet. Manny Lawson, in particular, is the type of player (high character, physical freak, tweener) that teams move up to select, IMO.What 3-4 team after us would trade up for one of these guys?
speedkilz88
04-16-2006, 04:53 PM
Yeah, I only see 3-4 teams being interested in Lawson because of his size.
big dog cowboy
04-16-2006, 04:56 PM
Same story all along.......Carpenter after trading down.
Sitting Bull
04-16-2006, 04:59 PM
What 3-4 team after us would trade up for one of these guys?
Lawson has said he thinks he could bulk up to play end in a 4-3. He certainly has the frame to do it. The guy is an enigma- he could go anywhere in the first to almost anyone. I hope he's around at #18, so Dallas has a choice if they are drafting OLB. I like Carpenter just a little better because I am boring and risk-adverse. I just want a starter.
BlueStar II
04-16-2006, 05:00 PM
I think a snowball in hell has a better chance than Huff still being on the board at 18, and while I would like to see Lawson still there, I'll be quite surprised if he's still available, too.
theogt
04-16-2006, 05:01 PM
Lawson has said he thinks he could bulk up to play end in a 4-3. He certainly has the frame to do it. The guy is an enigma- he could go anywhere in the first to almost anyone. I hope he's around at #18, so Dallas has a choice if they are drafting OLB. I like Carpenter just a little better because I am boring and risk-adverse. I just want a starter.I feel the exact same way. I want to take Lawson but if I was really forced to make a decision that my job was based on I would probably pick Carpenter. Being a fan with absolutely no repurcussion I say Lawson.
Teague31
04-16-2006, 05:03 PM
Either by standing pat, trading down, or trading up, who is the first pick of the Dallas Cowboys in this year's draft? Go on the record. :cool:
OT WINSTON JUSTICE, Southern California
http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2005/09-29/0929winstonjustice_216.jpg
Mock Drafts: Fox Sports 6.0, Draft Insider, Sports Outlaw, Scout.Com
Pros: Played RT through entire college career, insurance behind Flozell and Fabini
Cons: Struggled last year, character issues
who on here took winston with our first pick?? didn't know lacewell was back in charge :bang2:
lspain1
04-16-2006, 05:12 PM
Drafting at this position is hard to predict because there are so many possibilities. Who stands pat? Who wants to trade up if things fall right? I'm going to assume that there won't be too much trading by 18 and most (or all) will stand pat because too many teams are looking to trade down. Not enough value to justify the step up. Based on that the mocks will be mostly correct. So...I'll go with Carpenter. He fits, and he'll probably be there at 18.
DragonCowboy
04-16-2006, 05:19 PM
who on here took winston with our first pick?? didn't know lacewell was back in charge :bang2:
junk did. Look at the draft board though. Eric Winston was the best guy we could get at that position.
I think the best thing about junk's draft was that we got another 1st rounder. Believe it or not, we're not winning the Super Bowl this year. With two first rounders, we could package them and move up alot to pick up a really good player, be it QB, or whatever...
theogt
04-16-2006, 05:21 PM
junk did. Look at the draft board though. Eric Winston was the best guy we could get at that position.
I think the best thing about junk's draft was that we got another 1st rounder. Believe it or not, we're not winning the Super Bowl this year. With two first rounders, we could package them and move up alot to pick up a really good player, be it QB, or whatever...I won't believe it. :donthear:
That was a good trade to get two next year though. The way the draft went was a bit "different" so there should be some better players available in a real draft if we were to be picking at that spot.
bobbie brewskie
04-16-2006, 05:42 PM
if lawson is gone when we pick at 18, i say we trade down to the bengals so they can get J. Williams or T. Hill and we will take carpenter with the 24.
p.s. i have the pats taking a RB before they take a LB, i say maybe maroney or white/addai. if they take a LB i still see them passing on carpenter and taking wimberly.
theogt
04-16-2006, 05:46 PM
if lawson is gone when we pick at 18, i say we trade down to the bengals so they can get J. Williams or T. Hill and we will take carpenter with the 24.
p.s. i have the pats taking a RB before they take a LB, i say maybe maroney or white/addai. if they take a LB i still see them passing on carpenter and taking wimberly.I think the opposite may be true. If LBs are gone by our pick we'll stay put and take the the best LB availabe. If Lawson, Wimbley, etc. are still there we'll trade down knowing that at least some OLB will fall to us at our trade down spot.
bobbie brewskie
04-16-2006, 05:47 PM
I think the opposite may be true. If LBs are gone by our pick we'll stay put and take the the best LB availabe. If Lawson, Wimbley, etc. are still there we'll trade down knowing that at least some OLB will fall to us at our trade down spot.
thats what im saying, if wimbley AND carpenter are available at #18 we may as well trade down since the only other team that would draft a LB is the pats, and they have their eyes on wimbley newayz, from what i hear atleast.
theogt
04-16-2006, 05:49 PM
thats what im saying, if wimbley AND carpenter are available at #18 we may as well trade down since the only other team that would draft a LB is the pats, and they have their eyes on wimbley newayz, from what i hear atleast.Personally I'd rather not get "cute" as another poster put it and just draft the best OLB available at #18.
The30YardSlant
04-16-2006, 05:51 PM
I think we trade down and draft Carpenter or Lawson
bobbie brewskie
04-16-2006, 05:52 PM
Personally I'd rather not get "cute" as another poster put it and just draft the best OLB available at #18.
since the man in ur signature isnt going to be there that is not possible :D. we will see draft day, there might be some key factors in trading down. either way id like to see carpenter on our team unless lawson is available, and if we could get carpenter in a trade down it would be awesome to acquire another 3rd rounder.
peplaw06
04-16-2006, 05:54 PM
DB JASON ALLEN, Tennessee http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/images/polls/bar2-r.gif 1 (http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=605) 0.65%
Ahh, I see Mel Kiper is a member at CZ:laugh2:
theogt
04-16-2006, 05:55 PM
since the man in ur signature isnt going to be there that is not possible :D. we will see draft day, there might be some key factors in trading down. either way id like to see carpenter on our team unless lawson is available, and if we could get carpenter in a trade down it would be awesome to acquire another 3rd rounder.I would say the likelihood of him being there at #18 is 80%. There are only two teams that will take him before us, Browns and Miami. He's a reach at #12 considering their other possible picks at that point and Miami is looking at other positions. Miami is also still a big contender with LaVar, which would shore up their LB need.
Someone else mentioned the possibility of another team trading up ahead of us to pick him up but I dont' see that as a possibility. Who would do that? NE? Very doubtful.
Chief
04-16-2006, 06:02 PM
I see a trade down ... 6 to 10 spots.
JonJon
04-16-2006, 06:02 PM
http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/football/season2002/gallery/texastech/photo01.jpg
Hmmm....
from the looks of this photo, Carpenter has the rare ability to levitate. That skill could be prove to be a useful asset for the Cowboys if he can somehow harness it into flying...
bobbie brewskie
04-16-2006, 06:03 PM
I would say the likelihood of him being there at #18 is 80%. There are only two teams that will take him before us, Browns and Miami. He's a reach at #12 considering their other possible picks at that point and Miami is looking at other positions. Miami is also still a big contender with LaVar, which would shore up their LB need.
Someone else mentioned the possibility of another team trading up ahead of us to pick him up but I dont' see that as a possibility. Who would do that? NE? Very doubtful.
i said that haha, but i was just saying that, just because of the fact that you cant rule out a team trading up. btw NE wouldnt trade up for a LB since 1 would either fall to them or they would draft Laurence Maroney or another RB.
id love to see manny lawson on our team and all, but if we have the choice of carpenter or wimbley id like to trade down since most of the teams that draft between us and the bangels are in need of a DB/RB/Big DE.
peplaw06
04-16-2006, 06:05 PM
http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/football/season2002/gallery/texastech/photo01.jpg
Hmmm....
from the looks of this photo, Carpenter has the rare ability to levitate. That skill could be prove to be a useful asset for the Cowboys if he can somehow harness it into flying...
:lmao: :lmao:
We should draft David Blaine too.
theogt
04-16-2006, 06:05 PM
If our choice is carpenter or wimbley at 18 I hope we take Carpenter and call it a day. Well, til our 2nd round pick comes up.
Cowboys&Caps
04-16-2006, 06:40 PM
Id be happy with manny, but i dont' understand why he is getting all this love around here!
Cowboys&Caps
04-16-2006, 06:41 PM
If our choice is carpenter or wimbley at 18 I hope we take Carpenter and call it a day. Well, til our 2nd round pick comes up.
ahhhhhhh, ahhhhhhhhhhh............ahhhhhhhhh
your kililng me today
theogt
04-16-2006, 06:42 PM
ahhhhhhh, ahhhhhhhhhhh............ahhhhhhhhh
your kililng me today?????
Cowboys&Caps
04-16-2006, 06:43 PM
?????
I love wimbley, and our talk over W. Justice
i was kidding though i think you have some great points.
theogt
04-16-2006, 06:46 PM
I love wimbley, and our talk over W. Justice
i was kidding though i think you have some great points.Thanks. Sell me on Wimbley over Capenter.
Cowboys&Caps
04-16-2006, 06:52 PM
I have seen both play, Wimbley is more powerfull, and he can stand or play down while carpenter can only stand. Wimbley is a better pass rusher and when i watch both play i like the aggresive style Wimbley plays. That said, I'd be happy with either.
Or your boy Manny.
theogt
04-16-2006, 06:54 PM
I have seen both play, Wimbley is more powerfull, and he can stand or play down while carpenter can only stand. Wimbley is a better pass rusher and when i watch both play i like the aggresive style Wimbley plays. That said, I'd be happy with either.
Or your boy Manny.Ditto. Any of the three i would be happy with. I just hope we get at least one of them.
DiscipleofTuna
04-16-2006, 06:55 PM
Im with you 1Ware. I got em with Cromartie.
Cowboys&Caps
04-16-2006, 06:56 PM
Ditto. Any of the three i would be happy with. I just hope we get at least one of them.
agreed
tyke1doe
04-16-2006, 08:43 PM
I'm hoping for a trade down.
But if not, I say Santanio Holmes because ...
1. This draft is loaded with OL/OG, who can be had in the second round.
2. This draft is deep with OLB, who can be had in the second round.
3. This draft is not deep in receivers.
4. The Cowboys need insurance for Glenn and a TO meltdown.
5. It takes receivers longer to develop so why not start now.
6. Holmes can play special teams, and he can always be rotated into the line up as the third receiver.
7. We've invested four first round picks (Roy in 2002) (Newman in 2003) (traded to Bills in 2004) and (Ware and Spears in 2005), and now we need to take care of offense.
8. Jerry Jones saw what Moss did to the Cowboys, and I think the thought of teaming Holmes with TO, Glenn and Witten may be too tempting to overlook.
Get ready for our offensive explosion.
Charles
04-16-2006, 08:49 PM
My guy isn't on the list. I think (hope really) he falls to the Brodrick Bunkley 18th pick. Hoefully we get lucky to years in a row.Last year Spears was a gift. Get Bunkley along with Thomas to work behind Ferguson for a year. We could have a scary rotation for years to come on the Dline.
bobbie brewskie
04-16-2006, 08:49 PM
I'm hoping for a trade down.
But if not, I say Santanio Holmes because ...
1. This draft is loaded with OL/OG, who can be had in the second round.
2. This draft is deep with OLB, who can be had in the second round.
3. This draft is not deep in receivers.
4. The Cowboys need insurance for Glenn and a TO meltdown.
5. It takes receivers longer to develop so why not start now.
6. Holmes can play special teams, and he can always be rotated into the line up as the third receiver.
7. We've invested four first round picks (Roy in 2002) (Newman in 2003) (traded to Bills in 2004) and (Ware and Spears in 2005), and now we need to take care of offense.
8. Jerry Jones saw what Moss did to the Cowboys, and I think the thought of teaming Holmes with TO, Glenn and Witten may be too tempting to overlook.
Get ready for our offensive explosion.
1. holmes = no because he is the best reciever in a weak WR class, why would you waste a pick on him?
2. since we dont have 2 picks in the second to draft the two "deep" positions, we are going to have to take 1 of them in the first.
3. why dont you acknowledge that we have crayton, he is a solid special teamer and runs good routes, can go across the middle and is only in his third year. id rather be fill a starting position with our 1st pick than get some #3 or #4 reciever.
4. doesnt matter how many picks we've invested, BPA that fits our scheme, holmes shouldnt be looked at - like i said #3 or #4 at best.
tyke1doe
04-16-2006, 09:07 PM
1. holmes = no because he is the best reciever in a weak WR class, why would you waste a pick on him?
He really wouldn't be a wasted pick. The question is whether he can be a starter. I say he can.
I would put him a bit above Mark Clayton, the Ravens receiver.
2. since we dont have 2 picks in the second to draft the two "deep" positions, we are going to have to take 1 of them in the first.
True, we don't. But with this deep a draft at those positions, I still think the Cowboys can get a starter in Rounds 2 and Rounds 3 for either position, linebacker most likely in the second and an offensive lineman in the third.
3. why dont you acknowledge that we have crayton, he is a solid special teamer and runs good routes, can go across the middle and is only in his third year. id rather be fill a starting position with our 1st pick than get some #3 or #4 reciever.
Crayton doesn't have the speed that Holmes does. I can see Crayton playing opposite Holmes in two years.
4. doesnt matter how many picks we've invested, BPA that fits our scheme, holmes shouldnt be looked at - like i said #3 or #4 at best.
You're entitled to your opinion. But what Holmes has going for him is that he has deep speed and he's play for a big-time program.
And while I agree with BPA, if the remaining linebackers and offensive linemen are of equal value between the mid-first and the second round, why not take the best player from another position.
Granted, I'm not a Holmes supporter. It wouldn't bother me if we passed on him. But it's just my opinion that the Cowboys will try to beef up their offense.
It's just one opinion.
SilverStarCowboy
04-16-2006, 09:11 PM
Mathias Kiwanuka (Kiwi), would have of been a top 10 pick in 05'. (ie. ahead of Demarcus Ware)
demdcowboys#1
04-16-2006, 09:42 PM
I like Lawson!!!!!!!!
Cowboys&Caps
04-16-2006, 10:00 PM
Mathias Kiwanuka (Kiwi), would have of been a top 10 pick in 05'. (ie. ahead of Demarcus Ware)
yea i like him, could he move to olb?
bobbie brewskie
04-16-2006, 10:17 PM
He really wouldn't be a wasted pick. The question is whether he can be a starter. I say he can.
I would put him a bit above Mark Clayton, the Ravens receiver.
maybe not a wasted pick, but what would you rather have, a starting OLB to solidify our D and make us not have spend all to much focus on it anymore, or a potential future starter? id like to see our Defense solidified with a solid LB in round 1 to make everybody on it benefit as a whole. ware will benefit in the sense that a solid SOLB will be a good decoy that will take some pressure off of him, allowing him to be more open to rush the passer. our DBs will get better as we will have more pressure on their QB and our Dline will have it easier with another solid LB behind them.
now if we get holmes who gets better? Crayton maybe since they would compete for the #3 spot, but really nobody benefits from this. he would be nice to have in the future, but next years draft might address the WR position early. this year i say we stick to a WR on day 2.
True, we don't. But with this deep a draft at those positions, I still think the Cowboys can get a starter in Rounds 2 and Rounds 3 for either position, linebacker most likely in the second and an offensive lineman in the third.
our 4 big needs, in order are OLB, FS, OL, NT then you can bring in the need of WR and backup QB. but hey i see us drafting in this order OLB, OL, FS, NT.
we should try to address our biggest needs on day 1, so with 4 big needs and 3 picks, we need to choose which of the 4 we will address, and if we addrssed WR on top of the 4 thats 5 positions to fill with 3 picks. i say OLB round 1, OL round 2, FS round 3. the idea of filling a future need in this years draft with the #18 or even #49 scares me, i think with the first we should get a sure-shot starter and with the second atleast get depth at Oline or draft a FS to compete/start.
Crayton doesn't have the speed that Holmes does. I can see Crayton playing opposite Holmes in two years.
Crayton may not have crazy speed, but it has been proven that speed doesnt always translate into NFL talent. Crayton can run routes and that is how he gets open, Holmes uses speed. DB's in the NFL are much faster than in college and cleaner routes > speed when matching up against NFL DB's. btw you are comparing a potential first rounder to a 6th rounder. or pick #18 to pick #224. id take the #224 that is slightly slower than the #18 who cant run routes as well and is faster. but i agree that holmes would learn to run routes with a bit of nfl experience and will prove to be a solid WR in the NFL. id like to see him opposite of crayton but not because he is our first round pick in the 2006 draft.
You're entitled to your opinion. But what Holmes has going for him is that he has deep speed and he's play for a big-time program.
And while I agree with BPA, if the remaining linebackers and offensive linemen are of equal value between the mid-first and the second round, why not take the best player from another position.
Granted, I'm not a Holmes supporter. It wouldn't bother me if we passed on him. But it's just my opinion that the Cowboys will try to beef up their offense.
It's just one opinion.
i see your point, and holmes is a solid WR but is he really that much better than what we could get in next years draft? and is it really worth it to draft a WR in the first when we have bigger needs to fill? i like your idea of beefing up the offense, but id rather beef up our defense as each player we'd draft for our defense would make others on it better. and i think we can get a solid #4 in round 5-7. as for the future, TO plays younger than he is, crayton is young and has proven to be a solid #3 and could evolve to be a #2 very soon, and glenn he has prolly 2 years left in him. this gives us next years draft to look into the WR position.
SuspectCorner
04-17-2006, 02:13 AM
this game will always be about the trenches.
last year we loaded up on the D (particularly the line) and i loved it. this year the O-line gets our attention. i'd love to see Dallas trade outta the 1st completely - picking up extra 2nd & a 3rd and then use both 2nds to bolster a sagging O-line. tatsui, G, USC and jonathan scott, OT, texas - would be too sweet.
proline
04-17-2006, 05:41 AM
I voted "OTHER", because I think this is a prime year and we are in the perfect position for a trade-down. I don't know who we will trade with, but somebody will fall and we will find the extra pick(s) we get in a trade-down in this deep draft to be worth it.
jackrussell
04-17-2006, 05:46 AM
Santonio Holmes...(a trade down would be much preferred)
a. because it is a weak draft for WRs.
b. because it is a deep year for LBers
c. because it's too obvious we are taking a LBer.
StarHead69
04-17-2006, 06:15 AM
DeAngelo Williams - RB Memphis State
Just Think The premier LB's will be gone and the BPA will be a RB
Zippy Speedster
04-17-2006, 06:21 AM
CB ANTONIO CROMARTIE, Florida State
Mock Drafts: Fox Sports 7.0, Football's Future
I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to trade down a few spots and grab Cromartie. Seems his name has been coming of a great deal lately where we are concerned. Either this way or we do the rational thing and draft one of the OLinemen. I'm just not buying the LB angle with so many young unknowns still within the equation on our defense. It would be like buiding a car from the ground up then moments before turning it over to see if it starts you backstep and start changing a bunch of the parts. We go DB to fix our oldest "ache" since Parcells has been here or we address our newest one, the oline.
Clove
04-17-2006, 06:34 AM
I'll say Lawson unless he doesn't make it, and if he doesn't, I say we either draft Carpenter or move down and get a safety and an extra pick or 2.
DezBRomo9
04-17-2006, 08:01 AM
Santonio Holmes...(a trade down would be much preferred)
a. because it is a weak draft for WRs.
b. because it is a deep year for LBers
c. because it's too obvious we are taking a LBer.
Although I would hope for a good WR to fall into our laps at #18, it aint gonna happen. And it isnt worth it. This definitely is a weak WR draft. But go and look at next years draft eligible WR's. There is Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith and Ted Ginn just to name a few 1st round possibilities. I would wait til next year to get another WR on the first day. This year we need all the Oline/LB help we can get...BTW I voted for Justice, thinking there will be a run on RB's and LB's before our pick...
jackrussell
04-17-2006, 08:31 AM
This definitely is a weak WR draft. But go and look at next years draft eligible WR's. There is Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith and Ted Ginn just to name a few 1st round possibilities. I would wait til next year to get another WR on the first day. This year we need all the Oline/LB help we can get...BTW I voted for Justice, thinking there will be a run on RB's and LB's before our pick...
Certainly one of my reasons why I think they could take a WR. When the pickins are slim, and you have the chance, you do. With a deep linebacking draft, there'll be someone to nab later.
Ted Ginn? Who dat?;)
Thick 'N Hearty
04-17-2006, 10:22 AM
I think we trade down to a later 1st and take Cromartie. I know this isn't the popular opinion, but he plays corner and Henry is moved to FS.
Fla Cowpoke
04-17-2006, 10:30 AM
I think it is Lawson, but really expect any one of the OLB types. There are just a few of those guys that have top potential available. We can still get a good FS or OL in the second or third, while there is a serious step down from the top 2-3 OLB's to the next level.
Yakuza Rich
04-17-2006, 10:48 AM
DB JASON ALLEN, Tennessee 4 1.38%
He's a safety and an injured one. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him go the second day. Great example was last year where guys like Ernest Shazor and Brandon Browner were thought to be locks in the second round and didn't even get drafted.
It's the curse of the safety.
LB BOBBY CARPENTER, Ohio State 75 25.95%
I like him as a football player, but I don't think he's the type of OLB they need.
WR SANTONIO HOLMES, Ohio State 18 6.23%
Love his speed, but Parcells doesn't like drafting WR's in the first round. They could find a speedster WR in later rounds. Punt returns is an area of need, but I've got a feeling Jamaica Rector is going to do something there.
OT WINSTON JUSTICE, Southern California 20 6.92%
I think the Cardinals or Eagles take him. Parcells likes the USC O-Line as he raved about it in a PC last year, but I think they feel defense is slightly more important than offense right now.
OLB MANNY LAWSON, North Carolina State 108 37.37%
This kid is a freak and it's who I voted for. His stock seems to have cooled off a tad lately. My guess is that teams think he's either a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 strongside LB (depending on the 4-3 scheme).
OT MARCUS McNEILL, Auburn 9 3.11%
His stock is dropping. Ran a horrific short shuttle time at his pro day workout which indicates bad technique and/or lack of explosion.
S DONTE WHITNER, Ohio State 2 0.69%
Man to man coverage isn't a big thing for Dallas since they have their safeties play quite a bit of zone defense. I still think they aren't looking for a safety in the first two rounds. Also, Whitner could fall much later because of his position.
DB JIMMY WILLIAMS, Viriginia Tech 6 2.08%
I think he's suited to only play FS in the league. I have him going to Baltimore.
OLB KAMERION WIMBLEY, Florida State 18 6.23%
Another fine player and he's probably my second best bet behind Lawson.
I'd probably only be upset if they selected Holmes or Allen in the first round.
Rich..........
JohnsKey19
04-17-2006, 11:20 AM
I think we trade down at least 10 spots, possibly out of the 1st round. OL will be the primary focus, with at least 2 picks on Day 1 used to address that area. OLB will be addressed at some point but I dont think it'll be early on.
So if I had to guess:
2nd round - David Joseph OG
2nd round - Marcus Mcneil OT
3rd round - Chris Gocong OLB
3rd round - David Pittman CB
garyv
04-17-2006, 11:54 AM
Winston Justice if available at #18. Bank on this one.
Chrissyboy
04-17-2006, 11:54 AM
I think we trade down at least 10 spots, possibly out of the 1st round. OL will be the primary focus, with at least 2 picks on Day 1 used to address that area. OLB will be addressed at some point but I dont think it'll be early on.
So if I had to guess:
2nd round - David Joseph OG
2nd round - Marcus Mcneil OT
3rd round - Chris Gocong OLB
3rd round - David Pittman CB
I think, essentially, I would be happy with that scenario. Perhaps one of the high ranking centres as an option.
dbair1967
04-17-2006, 11:57 AM
He's a safety and an injured one. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him go the second day. Great example was last year where guys like Ernest Shazor and Brandon Browner were thought to be locks in the second round and didn't even get drafted.
It's the curse of the safety.
they didnt get drafted because they were both slow as mollasses..both guys ran horribly slow 40 times on a couple of occassions
I like him as a football player, but I don't think he's the type of OLB they need.
Carpenter seems ideal for anyone's 3-4 defense, including ours...he has superb cover skills and is a very good pass rusher
I think the Cardinals or Eagles take him. Parcells likes the USC O-Line as he raved about it in a PC last year, but I think they feel defense is slightly more important than offense right now.
the defense still needs work, but if the OL isnt fixed it doesnt matter what kind of defense we have...the OL was one of the worst units this team has had since I started watching them in 1975
This kid is a freak and it's who I voted for. His stock seems to have cooled off a tad lately. My guess is that teams think he's either a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 strongside LB (depending on the 4-3 scheme).
I wont complain if we draft him, but he is far from a sure thing and isnt the same kind of prospect Demarcus Ware was last yr...
His stock is dropping. Ran a horrific short shuttle time at his pro day workout which indicates bad technique and/or lack of explosion.
he really shouldnt be on our draft board IMO, regardless of round...same with Jason Allen...we've had too many guys undone because of degenerative conditions...they arnt worth the risk
Man to man coverage isn't a big thing for Dallas since they have their safeties play quite a bit of zone defense. I still think they aren't looking for a safety in the first two rounds. Also, Whitner could fall much later because of his position.
I dount Whitner falls far...some people think he has good enough cover skills to play CB...he is a very good player...might not go in the first, but I bet he goes somewhere in the first 10 picks of the 2nd if he doesnt make it in the 1st...
I think he's suited to only play FS in the league. I have him going to Baltimore.
Williams is another guy I wouldnt have on our draft board at all...this is the guy I thinks falls like a brick on draft day
Another fine player and he's probably my second best bet behind Lawson.
I'd probably only be upset if they selected Holmes or Allen in the first round.
I dont think we're drafting Allen regardless of the round, but I could see Holmes ending up here...he looks like a very good WR prospect...at worst he's our #3 WR and a dynamite return guy as a rookie...he's also good insurance should something happen to Owens or Glenn...I'm not saying he's my first choice or anything, but I wont jump off a cliff either if we take him...
David
Bob Sacamano
04-17-2006, 11:59 AM
Lawson if he's there, otherwise Cromatrie, or if they trade down, Carpenter
TruBlueCowboy
04-17-2006, 03:47 PM
Keep 'em coming fellas. Some of you folks who voted "other" should list your choice and claim your Mel Kiper draft guru status when it comes time. ;)
Doomsday101
04-17-2006, 03:58 PM
I think Dallas has several options that they can look at with the 18th pick including trading out of the 18th pick. This is not like having a top 5 pick where only 6 of 7 guys could be justified at that pick. At 18 there are a lot more options that both represents BPA and fill a need.
cbfan55
04-17-2006, 04:33 PM
Im not on the list?? :laugh2:
AbeBeta
04-17-2006, 04:36 PM
I hate to say it but I have a feeling it is going to be Cromartie. Don't get me wrong -- I think he has the potential to be the best CB in this draft. But his lack of PT worries me.
Though if Justice or Lawson are on the board it would have to be one of them.
Weber
04-17-2006, 04:37 PM
Chad Greenway. His stats are as good as A.J. Hawks with the exception of his sack total and the only reason for that is the Iowa doesn't blitz.
AbeBeta
04-17-2006, 04:39 PM
Chad Greenway. His stats are as good as A.J. Hawks with the exception of his sack total and the only reason for that is the Iowa doesn't blitz.
I'm hearing a lot of buzz about Greenway looking better as a 4-3 guy.
Chuck 54
04-17-2006, 05:30 PM
Other....trading down...<groan>
wxcpo
04-17-2006, 05:37 PM
I think they trade down and depending who is gone by the time they are set to pick after their initial trade they may make another trade and completely trade out of round 1 all together. I just think that guys like Huff, Justice and Lawson, who would be great value at 18, will be gone. Others like Whitner, Carpenter and Williams are a reach at 18. If they move down to a late 1st rounder though and either one is available then I can see Carpenter or Whitner wearing a star next year.
AbeBeta
04-17-2006, 07:02 PM
You can only trade down if someone wants to trade up -- the phrase I hear about picks 11-25ish is "flat" -- meaning there isn't much difference between those guys -- not many teams are going to want to move up for the same sort of quality that they can get with their own picks
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